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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: Yerusha on May 12, 2013, 08:55:22 AM
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What happens if the urge for women to don Tefillin catches on even with Orthodox Seminary girls?!
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Thousands of Orthodox girls see the "Women at the Wall". Some of the more rebellious and borderline souls amongst them will indubitably be tempted to join them
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OnOS0nAuWlI
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Even Modern Orthodox columnist Doreen Wachman this week cites Michal the daughter of King Saul who apparently wore Tefillin in support of the Women of the Wall:
www.jewishtelegraph.com
"Why have women been silenced?
WOMEN of the Wall recently won a Pyrrhic victory at Israel's High Court over their right to pray at the Kotel.
I have every sympathy with the women's group. My first exposure to a women's prayer group at an Orthodox feminist conference in Jerusalem during Chanucah 1986 was absolutely life-changing.
To be able to sing the davening out loud, surrounded by melodious female voices, was such a spiritually liberating experience for me that on my return from the Holy Land I vowed to take back with me some of the kedusha I had experienced that Chanucah by praying daily - a practice I had hitherto not performed, but which I still do to this day.
Women's charedi critics assign impure motives to those women who wish to congregate for prayer.
I would not like to speculate upon the motives of those chauvinist males who hide their fear of women's superior spirituality under the cloak of their religiosity .
Women's voices have been silenced for too long. When I was growing up in an age in which being frum did not mean taking extreme positions, the best voice in our family was that of my late mother.
Her singing of Shabbat zemirot and seder night songs was heavenly and leaves me with my best memories of her.
But as neo-charedism became the fashion, women's voices were silenced at Shabbat and festival tables so that often women indulge in chit-chat while the men sing the holy words.
Surely it is better for women to sing holy songs to God than to talk about fashion and gossip. Apparently charedi men do not think so.
Back in 1986 even I received a culture shock when before the beginning of a shacharit prayer group I saw a woman donning a tallit. Gob-smacked, I asked her the stupid question: "Do you do this often?"
To which she replied that she did.
My research later informed me that King Saul's daughter Michal wore tephillin and that the sages did not protest.
Would that our contemporary charedi 'sages' were as accepting! Rashi's daughters and the chassidic Maid of Ludomir also did.
Personally I do not feel the spiritual need to wear tallit and tephillin, but I much prefer seeing women donned in this ritual garb as an expression of their love and adherence to the Almighty than in scanty garments in an effort to attract the opposite sex.
On Purim 2002 in the midst of the Intifada, when most people were scared off from visiting the Kotel, I joined Women of the Wall for their morning megilla reading.
Later in the morning, the holy site was so deserted that late-comers were unbelievably unable to find a megilla reading at this sacred place. Yet the women had had the faith to cling to the Kotel at this dangerous time.
Contrary to popular perception, Women of the Wall are not infringing on male space at this holy site. Their group prays at the back of the women's section.
Natan Sharansky's suggestion of an egalitarian space for mixed prayer at the holy site would not suit them, as their service is for women only.
How dare charedi politicians then instruct male police officers to intrude into the women's space at the Kotel and arrest women - a process which involves the forbidden touching of women by men, halachically taboo anywhere, but especially at such a holy site while the women were in the midst of their prayers?
So, if I am so supportive of the Women of the Wall, why do I call their recent High Court victory Pyrrhic?
Because High Court battles are divisive and Israel currently is in desperate need of religious unity as the rift between the religious and secular grows ever deeper with recent government legislation.
This week's Israeli air strikes on Iranian missiles in Syria shows that at this explosive time on Israel's borders we just cannot afford inter-religious strife within Israel.
When, oh when, are we Jews going to bury our differences and all pray for the same goal - peace between ourselves and our neighbouring countries?
Don't the charedim know enough Chumash to realise that peace will only come to the land of Israel when its Jewish inhabitants learn to live together in peace and mutual respect?
The situation is far too explosive to fritter away effort on communal discord and High Court battles."
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Yes there have been some knowledge of some very holy and modest women have worn Tefillin.
Here is the difference between them and the psycho feminists of today who insist on doing it.
The holy and modest women would do it in private. Between them and Hashem. But the minute that a woman does it for "show", does it for the "look at me, look at what I am doing", it becomes a travesty. There is no mitzvah in it.
Another difference is the the holy women who have done it in private and the feminist who do it today is that the modest women were religious. They followed the other mitzvot. The modern day feminist do NOT. They intermarry, they eat whatever, they wear pants, they do whatever they want on Shabbat without regard to any of the melachot.
Therefore, they do not put onTefillin for any holy purpose. In fact, quite the opposite. They do it to be against society, they do it to fulfill childish desires, to be seen by others, to provoke Orthodox men. They do not keep any commandments (which makes them hypocrites) and worst of all, they do it to make Israel look bad. To make Israel look like Iran or Saudi Arabia suppressing women, so in fact, they are doing a Chillul Hashem.
We must not allow it. I don't think it will catch on in the Orthodox world. If Orthodox women do it, it is privately but I would not DARE do such a thing.
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Don't the "Women of the Wall" actually consider themselves to be "Orthodox"? They say they are having a "Halachic minyan" but with women rather than men. At least they don't go to the men's section.
They also choose Rosh Chodesh because Rosh Chodesh is like a festival for women since they did not take part in the Golden Calf.
I wonder if they pray Musaf after the Torah reading on Rosh Chodesh. I know Deform Jews don't since they consider anything having to do with Temple service to be"outdated" so they also don't do Birkat HaKohanim.
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Don't the "Women of the Wall"
They don't look very Orthodox with their pants and lack of hair covering.
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Don't the "Women of the Wall" actually consider themselves to be "Orthodox"? They say they are having a "Halachic minyan" but with women rather than men. At least they don't go to the men's section.
Orthodox? Not in the slightest of ways. They even admitted their true goals, the end of (what they call) "Orthodox control of the Western Wall" and in even greater strategy the end or weakening and further controlling) of Judaism in the land of Israel. They are meretz pieces of excrement who want to introduce deformist "Judaism" in order to stop or weaken the Orthodox take-over of Israel that is inevitable (B"H higher birthrate, many people making Teshuva and returning to Torah Judaism) but these deformers don't give up! Hope one day real Jews organize and show these MF#$% how we should deal with traitors!
By the way their pasul Tefillin could perhaps be made and used as a good noose.
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Oh Israel, your destroyers come from within!
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Leaving aside the question does halacha forbid or permit women to wear Tefillin in general, I wish to point out that the woman in Yerusha's picture doesn't even know how to wear Tefillin properly. Her head Tefillin is too low down on the forehead.
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I know they're not Orthodox but I've heard them claim that they want to lead a traditional service but only for women.
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I know they're not Orthodox but I've heard them claim that they want to lead a traditional service but only for women.
Then they can meet in a private place and do their fake "traditional" service there. Rather than demand to do it in a holy place in public. Real Orthodox women also have a right to the wall. Where they can pray in modest peace. These "women of the wall" are taking away the right of real Orthodox women by demanding to do all of this in public. They really are EVIL hypocrites.
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Actually they want to conduct mixed service. After all these women are "rabbis". But legally it is not possible to do so in the Kotel (except in the Robinson gate section). If they try to enter the men's section or if men try to enter the women's section they would get arrested.
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Actually they want to conduct mixed service. After all these women are "rabbis". But legally it is not possible to do so in the Kotel (except in the Robinson gate section). If they try to enter the men's section or if men try to enter the women's section they would get arrested.
Robonson's Arch
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Leaving aside the question does halacha forbid or permit women to wear Tefillin in general, I wish to point out that the woman in Yerusha's picture doesn't even know how to wear Tefillin properly. Her head Tefillin is too low down on the forehead.
That's because she is an apikoris who doesn't accept the oral Torah soo when it says "Between your eyes" she took it literally and put it in the wrong place, as opposed to how the Talmudh explains the correct way.
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What happens if the urge for women to don Tefillin catches on even with Orthodox Seminary girls?!
Like all apikoris groups they come and go. Unfortunately when they come they cause damage and then are completely disintegrated. I hope these scumm just completely leave Am Yisrael. Let them go become christian or something else they cause more damage trying to be Jewish when they are not.
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Let them go become christian or something else they cause more damage trying to be Jewish when they are not.
But if they become christian, they will just keep putting on Tefilling as "messianic" feminist "Jews". They are wicked women, hell bent on destroying Israel.
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But if they become christian, they will just keep putting on Tefilling as "messianic" feminist "Jews". They are wicked women, hell bent on destroying Israel.
They will get lost much quicker. All these break away kofrim leave eventually and stop remaining Jewish completely. Many of them aren't even Jewish Halahically. Let them leave and have nothing to do with Jews and real Judaism.
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Yes there have been some knowledge of some very holy and modest women have worn Tefillin.
Here is the difference between them and the psycho feminists of today who insist on doing it.
The holy and modest women would do it in private. Between them and Hashem. But the minute that a woman does it for "show", does it for the "look at me, look at what I am doing", it becomes a travesty. There is no mitzvah in it.
Another difference is the the holy women who have done it in private and the feminist who do it today is that the modest women were religious. They followed the other mitzvot. The modern day feminist do NOT. They intermarry, they eat whatever, they wear pants, they do whatever they want on Shabbat without regard to any of the melachot.
Therefore, they do not put onTefillin for any holy purpose. In fact, quite the opposite. They do it to be against society, they do it to fulfill childish desires, to be seen by others, to provoke Orthodox men. They do not keep any commandments (which makes them hypocrites) and worst of all, they do it to make Israel look bad. To make Israel look like Iran or Saudi Arabia suppressing women, so in fact, they are doing a Chillul Hashem.
We must not allow it. I don't think it will catch on in the Orthodox world. If Orthodox women do it, it is privately but I would not DARE do such a thing.
Beautifully said, but it makes me wonder that if it's okay to do it in private than why not piously, respectfully in public. Not as participants of this feminist mob
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The total ignoramus Leonard Nimoy (aka Star Trek's "Mr Spock") sparked all this off 10 years ago when he had an exhibition in Beverley Hills of corrupt 'artistic' photos of female models wearing phylacteries.
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Don't the "Women of the Wall" actually consider themselves to be "Orthodox"? They say they are having a "Halachic minyan" but with women rather than men. At least they don't go to the men's section.
They also choose Rosh Chodesh because Rosh Chodesh is like a festival for women since they did not take part in the Golden Calf.
I wonder if they pray Musaf after the Torah reading on Rosh Chodesh. I know Deform Jews don't since they consider anything having to do with Temple service to be"outdated" so they also don't do Birkat HaKohanim.
Those are absolute lies. Anat Hoffman follows the "Reform Movement" which doesn't follow halacha.
In interviews, she laments why Israelis have to follow the ways of the Orthodox and can't bury, marry, etc according to deform and conservative.
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The total ignoramus Leonard Nimoy (aka Star Trek's "Mr Spock") sparked all this off 10 years ago when he had an exhibition in Beverley Hills of corrupt 'artistic' photos of female models wearing phylacteries.
Leonard Nimoy's brother was the cook in Lubavitcher Yeshiva in New Haven but was frum unlike Lenny.
Good old Mr. Nimoy his food was so awesome.
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Leonard Nimoy's brother was the cook in Lubavitcher Yeshiva in New Haven but was frum unlike Lenny.
Good old Mr. Nimoy his food was so awesome.
It is strange because I checked out Leonard Nimoys geneology and it turns out his family and my family may have attended the same shul in Boston...
Nimoy was born in Boston, Massachusetts in the West End,[6] to Yiddish-speaking Orthodox Jewish immigrants from Iziaslav, Soviet Union (now Ukraine). Nimoy is four days younger than his Star Trek co-star William Shatner. [7][8][9][10] His father, Max Nimoy, owned a barbershop in the Mattapan section of the city. His mother, Dora Nimoy (née Spinner), was a homemaker.[11][12]
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But if they become christian, they will just keep putting on Tefilling as "messianic" feminist "Jews". They are wicked women, hell bent on destroying Israel.
I once heard that Paul was a rabbi that went and infiltrated Xtianity and he succeeded at getting them to stop pretending to be Jewish and go and look for Gentile converts rather than Jewish ones. Otherwise, all Xtians would have been J4J's. I don't know if it's true but I heard it at a shiur at Seuda Shlishit on Erev 10 Tevet 3 years ago.
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Beautifully said, but it makes me wonder that if it's okay to do it in private than why not piously, respectfully in public. Not as participants of this feminist mob
Thanks so much.
Well, Rabbi Yosef Mizrachi was actually talking about this in a lecture. And I tried to find out which one today but it is in a 24 part series of lectures (about one hour each part) about the 613 Mitzvot. And in one part, he talks about Tefillin. But in a 24 part series I am not sure which of the parts it is so that I can post it. If anyone has a Sefer Hachinuch, and knows what number is Tefillin explained in, then I can locate the lecture.
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Thanks so much.
Well, Rabbi Yosef Mizrachi was actually talking about this in a lecture. And I tried to find out which one today but it is in a 24 part series of lectures (about one hour each part) about the 613 Mitzvot. And in one part, he talks about Tefillin. But in a 24 part series I am not sure which of the parts it is so that I can post it. If anyone has a Sefer Hachinuch, and knows what number is Tefillin explained in, then I can locate the lecture.
Shalom IsraeliHeart,
My quick search on the topic reveals that the Mitzvot of Tefillin are Mitzvah 421-422 in Sefer Hachinuch... There it is counted as separate commands for the head and arm tefillin.
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Shalom IsraeliHeart,
My quick search on the topic reveals that the Mitzvot of Tefillin are Mitzvah 421-422 in Sefer Hachinuch... There it is counted as separate commands for the head and arm tefillin.
Thanks Muman, with that information- I will hopefully be able to locate the lecture! :) I'll be back when I do.
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Now that Justice Minister Livni has got her porky chilonette fingers involved in support of the Wall Women against Religion Minister Bennett http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/168031#.UZPvdMtBTn4
let's hope it escalates beyond a cause celebre and somehow brings the whole disreputable system down! "The only way to being a New Order is to do away with the Old Order!"
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If "Women in Tefillin" catches on, I will hang myself with my tefillin strap.
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Good: although she's also a feminist, now Miri Regev flays Livni: "Your meddling will cause the spilling of blood at the Kotel!"
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/168047#.UZT6zMtBTn4
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http://machonshilo.org/en/eng/component/content/article/34-featured/636-the-women-of-the-wall-is-there-a-problem
The Western Wall recently was the scene of confrontation between Women of the Wall and haredim. How are we to view this group of Jewish women? Rabbi David Bar-Hayim explains in the following interview:
In English
http://youtu.be/DA9gUuBrx7U
?נשות הכותל: האם יש כאן בעיה
עברית
Also Rav Ilan Meirov of Chazaq explains
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/168056
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=a3DkSBuTWBs
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Thank you so much for posting the video. What a great Rabbi, I had not heard of him until now and am glad I did.
As for my video, I was not able to find it.
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Even if one held that women could wear tefillin as an optional mitzvah like with the mitzvot of shofar, sukkah, and lulav, they wouldn't need a kippa for it. The kippa is outright cross dressing. Only a married Jewish women should cover her hair but a kippa wouldn't count because it doesn't cover the hair and it's a men's garment.
That woman is so gay. She's not as ugly as the others though. What kind of man would marry such a woman that dresses like that?
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What's good is when like a true Aussie he says at 10.50:
"For you this is just part of a smoke screen in order to beguile, deceive and screen your true intentions, then no, we are putting you on notice that we know what you are about and we oppose all those ideas and notions which are not truly rooted in the eternal values & principles of Torah Judaism".
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DA9gUuBrx7U
In the future Messianic Kahanist Government when the Death Penalty will be reinstated, we will need rabbis, dayanim and judges who will be able to implementing it, instead of the pathetic, limp-wristed over-merciful specimens we have today.
Bar Chayim looks like he will be well up to the job!
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Women are more perfect than men in so many ways. So why do these women want to lower their level and imitate us men? I just don't get it. If anything, men should strive to be equal to women.
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Women are more perfect than men in so many ways. So why do these women want to lower their level and imitate us men? I just don't get it. If anything, men should strive to be equal to women.
These women in particular are lower than most humans. Its been said before they want deformist control.
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In the future Messianic Kahanist Government when the Death Penalty will be reinstated, we will need rabbis, dayanim and judges who will be able to implementing it, instead of the pathetic, limp-wristed over-merciful specimens we have today.
There will be no death penalty in the Messianic Era because people won't have free will anymore so no one will be evil. Everyone will follow the mitzvot so there will be no need for the death penalty. All evil people will die before the Messianic Era.
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These women in particular are lower than most humans. Its been said before they want deformist control.
These "women" are lower than most Muslims.
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These woman are worse than Korach and worse than Korach's wife.
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There will be no death penalty in the Messianic Era because people won't have free will anymore so no one will be evil. Everyone will follow the mitzvot so there will be no need for the death penalty. All evil people will die before the Messianic Era.
I don't think its exactly true. The Messiah and those loyal Jews will enforce Torah law upon society. Soo I dont think that people will necessarily loose their free choice. Perhaps in a different later stage like Olam Haba (which already exists).
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I don't think its exactly true. The Messiah and those loyal Jews will enforce Torah law upon society. Soo I dont think that people will necessarily loose their free choice. Perhaps in a different later stage like Olam Haba (which already exists).
We lose our free will?
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We lose our free will?
I just explained that we don't. not in this world and not when Moshiah comes either (which is this world).
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I just explained that we don't. not in this world and not when Moshiah comes either (which is this world).
... so when then?
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I just explained that we don't. not in this world and not when Moshiah comes either (which is this world).
Techiyat HaMeitim is in This World in the Messianic Era. Only the Righteous will be resurrected.
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My understanding concerning this is that free will will still exist during the age of Moshiach, yet nobody will desire to transgress the law...
http://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/832728/jewish/Free-Choice-When-Moshiach-Comes.htm
Question:
Will we still have freedom of choice when Moshiach comes? From what I've read, it seems like we will automatically do the right thing. And without any decisions to make, won't life be pretty boring?
Response:
I like this question. When Moshiach comes, there won't be the many layers of confusion that make life so difficult. Priorities will change. We will sense the importance and beauty of the Torah and Mitzvot. Being generous with others will be natural. Divine wisdom will shine through every aspect of the world. In the words of the prophet, "The entire world will be filled with knowledge of G‑d as waters cover the ocean."1
And with the truth so obvious, who will be able to do anything wrong?
However, good versus evil is not the only decision we make in life. There's another sort of free choice too--one that will even apply even when Moshiach comes: Good versus better.
Today, the question is often whether or not we do a certain good deed. When Moshiach comes, it will be to what extent we do that Mitzvah. Will we push ourselves to the max or just be satisfied with a regular job. Today, we choose between using our talents for good things or bad things. When Moshiach comes, we will choose between nurturing those talents even further or just letting them be.
I think this answers your second question. You are right. Obstacles give us excitement. They provide us with a drive for life. When Moshiach comes, that drive will be there--only in a different form.
Think of both an airplane and a rocket. They both require a form of resistance in order to fly. In the airplane, this resistance is provided through interplay with an external factor: the varied degrees of air pressure on both sides of the wings. Now, above a certain elevation this is no longer possible. You have to create your own resistance that pushes downwards. This is the rocket.
Today, our battle is between good and bad. With evil working against us, we make the right decisions and propel ourselves forward. But when Moshiach comes, we'll leave this atmosphere. Evil will become a no-brainier. We will need our own rockets - the challenge of good versus better. And we will use freedom of choice to decide just how high we want to soar.
As the Talmud tells us, "Tzadikim have no rest, neither in this world, nor in the next." In the words of the prophet, "They go from strength to strength."2
FOOTNOTES
1. Isaiah 11:9
2. Talmud, Brachot 64a
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Techiyat HaMeitim is in This World in the Messianic Era. Only the Righteous will be resurrected.
Moshiah and Tehiyah HaMeitim are different things and different eras. Moshiah can die and then his son (or whatever other system of rulership we will have) will take over and be the next leader. Nothing supernatural is needed at all.
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Moshiah and Tehiyah HaMeitim are different things and different eras. Moshiah can die and then his son (or whatever other system of rulership we will have) will take over and be the next leader. Nothing supernatural is needed at all.
Are you suggesting that Techiyat HaMatim does not exist in this world? Everything which I have seen concerning this says it will actually occur in the natural world, not in the spiritual world alone...
Also, you should be clear that the Moshiach cannot die if he has not completed his job. As always he must at least begin the ingathering of exiles, rebuilding the Temple, and bringing Torah to the entire world... If he dies before accomplishing this, he is certainly not Moshiach.
http://www.aish.com/sp/pr/48955471.html
To understand what we mean by the "end of the world," we need to go over some of the fundamental axioms of Judaism that are no doubt familiar to most readers. Judaism teaches that the world as we know it will culminate with Techiyat Hametim, or the Resurrection of the Dead which will be immediately followed by the Day of Final Judgment. Those who pass Judgment will enter the next world, whereas those who will fail to pass muster will be refused entry and consigned to oblivion; if you are unable to enter the World to Come, you no longer have an alternative world in which to be.
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From Rambams Law of Kings:
http://www.chabad.org/library/moshiach/article_cdo/aid/101744/jewish/Laws-Concerning-Kings-and-the-Messiah.htm
4. If a king arises from the House of David23 who meditates on the Torah and occupies himself with the commandments like his ancestor David, in accordance with the written and oral Torah,24 and he will prevail upon all of Israel to walk in [the ways of the Torah] and strengthen its breaches,25 and he will fight the battles of G-d26 it may be assumed that he is Mashiach.27
If he did [these things] successfully (and defeated all the nations around him28), built the Sanctuary on its site29 and gathered the dispersed of Israel he is definitely Mashiach!30 He will [then] correct the entire world to serve G-d in unity, as it is said, “For then I will turn to the peoples a pure tongue that all shall call upon the Name of G-d and serve Him with one consent.”31
(If he did not succeed to that extent or was killed, it is clear that he is not the [Mashiach] promised by the Torah … for all the prophets said that Mashiach is the redeemer of Israel and their savior, and he gathers their dispersed and reinforces their commandments…)32
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Are you suggesting that Techiyat HaMatim does not exist in this world? Everything which I have seen concerning this says it will actually occur in the natural world, not in the spiritual world alone...
Also, you should be clear that the Moshiach cannot die if he has not completed his job. As always he must at least begin the ingathering of exiles, rebuilding the Temple, and bringing Torah to the entire world... If he dies before accomplishing this, he is certainly not Moshiach.
Reread my comments, carefully this time and don't put words into my mouth (or keyboard in this case).
1) The Ressurection of the dead certainly exists.
2) Go read what moshiah's job is. Resurrecting people is not one of them. In fact your didn't even mention it in your post here.
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Reread my comments, carefully this time and don't put words into my mouth (or keyboard in this case).
1) The Ressurection of the dead certainly exists.
2) Go read what moshiah's job is. Resurrecting people is not one of them. In fact your didn't even mention it in your post here.
I read your post and it seemed to me you were implying that the Ressurection would not occur in the physical world.. Your response to Binyamin gave this impression... At least this is the way I interpreted your response.
I never said that Moshiach has to resurrect anyone or do anything supernatural. But I was just confused because you seemed to imply that the Ressurection was considered a supernatural occurance..
Also, remember that Rambams opinion is not the final say on these issues, there are other sages who disagree about the order of events...
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But I was just confused because you seemed to imply that the Ressurection was considered a supernatural occurance..
It is supernatural that doesn't mean it didn't or wont happen.
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It is supernatural that doesn't mean it didn't or wont happen.
The sources I have brought indicate that it will happen in this physical world, not in a spiritual world...
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The sources I have brought indicate that it will happen in this physical world, not in a spiritual world...
??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ???
Did I say otherwise? The splitting of the sea or the Manna in the desert was supernatural yet it happened in this world.
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Did I say otherwise? The splitting of the sea or the Manna in the desert was supernatural yet it happened in this world.
I didn't say you said otherwise, I said that it was unclear what you were saying in your reply to Binyamin and that is why I asked you what you were saying, whether you believed that the resurrection would actually happen in a physical manner. I did not say that Moshiach would have to perform Techiyat HaMatim, but I was pointing out that both of these will happen in the physical world...
It seems you are taking my comments as offense, of course they are not meant to be, just attempting to clarify how each of us believe the final redemption will happen.
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Western Wall Rabbi R.Rabinowitz now advises the Haredim to ignore the Women of the Wall rather than drown them out as before!
http://forward.com/articles/184978/western-wall-rabbi-warns-ultra-orthodox-to-stay-aw/
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It's technically not forbidden for women to wear tefillin or prayer shawls or tzitziot if they actually care about the mitzvot. However, these women are atheist (yeah, that' what liberal Judaism is) provocateurs who could care less about the Torah and intend to replace religious Jewish culture with secular heresy. If decent people ruled Israel, the Women of the Wall would eventually have to change their name to the Curvas of the Coffin.
Actually a talis is a problem it says a male shall not wear womens garments & woman shall not wear mens garments
A talis is traditionally a male garment & therefore forbidden to wear for a woman.
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The following is Rabbi Moshe Feinstein's opinion on the issue of women wearing Talit (Prayer Shawl)
as reported by http://tekhelet.com/mois/TekWeb2002_files/frame.htm#slide0084.htm (http://tekhelet.com/mois/TekWeb2002_files/frame.htm#slide0084.htm)
Women & Tzitzit:
The Mitzvah•The permission is granted to every women who wishes to fulfill even those mitzvot which the Torah did not obligate; and they indeed fulfill a mitzvah and receive the reward for the fulfillment of the commandment - and according to the custom of the Tosafot they may also say the associated blessing - for shofar, lulav. And also tzitzit are applicable for a woman who desires to wear a four cornered garment - it should be different than a man’s garment - and by putting on it tzitzit, she fulfills this mitzvah (R. Moshe Feinstein, Iggeret Moshe, Orech Hayim 4:49, s.v. ibra d’ika).
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The following is Rabbi Moshe Feinstein's opinion on the issue of women wearing Talit (Prayer Shawl)
as reported by http://tekhelet.com/mois/TekWeb2002_files/frame.htm#slide0084.htm (http://tekhelet.com/mois/TekWeb2002_files/frame.htm#slide0084.htm)
Women & Tzitzit:
The Mitzvah•The permission is granted to every women who wishes to fulfill even those mitzvot which the Torah did not obligate; and they indeed fulfill a mitzvah and receive the reward for the fulfillment of the commandment - and according to the custom of the Tosafot they may also say the associated blessing - for shofar, lulav. And also tzitzit are applicable for a woman who desires to wear a four cornered garment - it should be different than a man’s garment - and by putting on it tzitzit, she fulfills this mitzvah (R. Moshe Feinstein, Iggeret Moshe, Orech Hayim 4:49, s.v. ibra d’ika).
Yes but the WOW women wear male talitot which is clearly assur.
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Are these considered "female taleisim"?
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I've heard from my religious sources that it's permissible or at least a "solvable" matter that a human would wear talit and teffilin. The problem with the women of the wall is that they are deliberately mocking and creating provocations.
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Notice how most of the WOW women look like bull-dyke lesbos
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Are these considered "female taleisim"?
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Lol that's the reform "tallis." Actually for men, but no reform man except the Rabbi wears one,and when thereform women wanted to become men, they started wearing the reform men's "tallis"like this (female reform "Rabbi"s also wear them).
I wore one like this at my bar mitzvah because it's reform versionn of men's tallis. I wonder if the wow will start wearing the real tallis instead because. They would rather imitate real Judaism now that they are escaping their reform bubble and invading the world at large
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This is just an organized attempt from the Bolsheviks to destroy the Jewish people--AGAIN.
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This is just an organized attempt from the Bolsheviks to destroy the Jewish people--AGAIN.
Paulette you need to go over there to kick their tuchas out of the Holy Land.
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Lol that's the reform "tallis." Actually for men, but no reform man except the Rabbi wears one,and when thereform women wanted to become men, they started wearing the reform men's "tallis"like this (female reform "Rabbi"s also wear them).
I wore one like this at my bar mitzvah because it's reform versionn of men's tallis. I wonder if the wow will start wearing the real tallis instead because. They would rather imitate real Judaism now that they are escaping their reform bubble and invading the world at large
You were Bar Mitzvahed in a Reform shul... I was not aware of that. Of course now that you are going down the path of Torah Judaism it is nothing to be concerned with. I came <-> this close to having a reform Bar Mitzvah but Baruch Hashem my parents (who were not the most religious to begin with) thought that reform was too 'secular' for their tastes (no hebrew, no Temple, no Moshiach, etc.) so they sent us (my brother and I) to a Conservative shul.
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You were Bar Mitzvahed in a Reform shul... I was not aware of that. Of course now that you are going down the path of Torah Judaism it is nothing to be concerned with. I came <-> this close to having a reform Bar Mitzvah but Baruch Hashem my parents (who were not the most religious to begin with) thought that reform was too 'secular' for their tastes (no hebrew, no Temple, no Moshiach, etc.) so they sent us (my brother and I) to a Conservative shul.
I was raised reform. My "shul" was a bit more on the traditional side when it comes to reform shuls. It was a somewhat real bar mitzvah - I chanted from the Torah and also chanted the haftara.
It was in college that I came to reject the concept of reform so-called Judaism and adopted actual Jewish practice and belief instead.
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When I was a kid we went to a Conservative synagogue that was the traditional side of Conservative. I doubt any synagogues like that still exist. At one point it had Orthodox rabbis and Orthodox members. When I was a kid the Leftist rabbi who got rid of Birkat HaKohanim and ate in treif restaurants was replaced by a Conservative ordained rabbi who himself followed Orthodox Halacha. After his wife died and retired, he joined an Orthodox synagogue and eventually moved to Israel. He died last week. There are many people ordained Conservative that don't go there anymore because the Conservative movement has moved so much to the left that it's basically the same as Reform except maybe more Hebrew prayers. But they have mixed minyans and female "rabbis". When I was a kid, usually only a girl at her Bat Mitzvah was called up to the Torah and the Chazzan was always a man. But the successor rabbi made it more Liberal and there were women that would come and wear those lesbian looking "talitot" and getting called up to rad the Haftarah. I just say the pink tallit looks gay.
I would still go to the Sfardic synagogue in the rabbi's house when were members in the Conservative synagogue. And the Hebrew School there actually had some real Orthodox teachers. But the kids back then at that age fool around and would get in trouble so I don't know how much kids learned that they potentially could have. When I was a teenager I went to "Jewish Community High School" which was not affiliated. There were mostly Orthodox teachers but a few evil anti-religious and the administration was run by the type of people that say "Israel is the only democracy in the Middle East". I mean the women in charge remind of the dykes in the Women of the Wall. I got in trouble there for being too religious. It was also there that I found out what the Conservative Movement was about. Before I didn't know that the Non-Orthodox movements actually have their own theology different from Orthodox. I thought they actually were just non-religious Jews that didn't want to observe everything. I didn't know they actually claim stuff like the Torah was inspired rather than given to Moses on Mount Sinai. The Conservative Hebrew School didn't teach the made up theology. So I basically just called myself a non-observant Orthodox Jew until I finally became completely religious (Meaning Shomer Shabbat.). Even the Sfardic rabbi said he considered everyone to be Orthodox. The other movements were made up. It's just like Chaim said he considered himself a Traditional Torah Jew and there is no need for the name Orthodox. Only when the other movements started did it need a separate name. In Israel people are just either Secular, Traditional, or Religious. Most Israelis would never go to a Deform synagogue. The Deforms in Israel are mostly Americans that import it into Israel. Even the Secular Jews in Israel would probably go to an Orthodox synagogue if they wanted to go to synagogue. They know which one is the real deal.
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www.jewishtelegraph.com
More girls demand the right to put on tefillin
THE practice of allowing Orthodox girls in New York to don tefillin is growing.
It began last month when Salanter Akiba Riverdale High School allowed two female students to begin wearing tefillin at school during their morning prayers.
And now the Upper East Side modern-Orthodox school Ramaz has announced it will allow its women to do the same.
Rabbi Haskel Lookstein, the principal of Ramaz, told the newspaper Jewish Week that women were always allowed to wear tefillin during the weekly women-only prayer session - a practice that began in 2002.
Now they will be able to do so, should they so desire, during the regular daily minyan, the principal said.
Rabbi Lookstein said that the first time he received a request from a woman to wear tefillin was back in the early 1990s. At the time, he said no.
"If we were asked the question today, we are in agreement that if a young woman wanted to put on tefillin and tallit, she could daven with us in our school minyan," he added, though he noted that he has yet to actually receive such a request.
The two students at SAR high school in Riverdale, Ronit Morris and Yael Marans, campaigned long and hard to be allowed to wear tallit and tefillin at their all-women's prayer group.
They told their school newspaper, The SAR Buzz, that they started putting on tefillin around their batmitzvahs, but Morris said it just didn't seem like something that women at SAR did, despite the fact that she lay tefillin at her previous school.
Marans said she told SAR's principal, Rabbi Tully Harcsztark, that "I didn't know how much I would miss davening without tefillin during the week".
Rabbi Harcsztark alerted the SAR faculty on December 8 that Morris and Marans would begin laying tefillin, and that even though the issue was "communally controversial", he believed it was "halachically permissible".
"These girls came to me and said that they put on tefillin every morning - that's the way that they have been raised," Rabbi Harcsztark told The Buzz.
"It's not a flippant attitude. It's a practice that has a halachic basis."
At another modern-Orthodox high school in Los Angeles, Shalhevet, Principal Rabbi Ari Segal said in the school's online student newspaper, The Boiling Point: "While there certainly exist legitimate halachic and rabbinic sources that suggest permitting the practice of women wearing tefillin, Shalhevet is a school that draws from a broad spectrum.
"In order to maintain that diversity, there will be times when something might be technically permitted but not wise to allow."
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http://astuteblogger.blogspot.co.uk/2013/11/the-radical-leftist-ties-of-women-of.html
THE RADICAL LEFTIST TIES OF WOMEN OF THE WALL
An article revealing the connections between Women of the Wall and leftist groups in the present had been posted to a major website but was taken down after possible threats of legal action. Nevertheless, other sources were able to obtain the information, and tell us that:
The article was penned by Rachel Avraham, a news editor and political analyst for Jerusalem Online News, the English language internet edition of Israel's high-rating Channel 2 News, and reveals ties between Women of the Wall and a number of radical, anti-Israel groups.
“While Women of the Wall has built up a name for themselves as a feminist organization promoting women’s rights in Israel, their leadership in fact have links to anti-Israel groups that not many people know about,” writes Avraham in the piece.
“Regardless of whether one views their actions as provocative publicity stunts that disturb the peace at the Western Wall or as noble deeds designed to promote women’s rights within the Jewish religion, the Israeli public is generally not aware that the Women of the Wall leadership possesses links to anti-Israel groups.”
“Women of the Wall Vice Chair Batya Kallus serves as an adviser to Sikkuy,” writes Avraham. “This NGO is a signatory to the Haifa Declaration, which calls for the abolishing of the State of Israel, praises violent resistance, and accuses Israel of manipulating the memory of the Holocaust for political purposes. Furthermore, Kallus has facilitated funding for anti-Israel groups Adalah, Ir Amin, Yesh Din, and Mossawa, as part of her position as programs officer for the Moria Fund.”
The article goes on to point out that these groups contribute towards the delegitimization of Israel in the world. Adalah was a major contributor to the discredited Goldstone Report and together with Mosawah is opposed to Israel’s right to exist as a Jewish state; Ir Amim runs “highly politicized anti-Israel tours of the holy city, which indoctrinate internationals into holding anti-Israel views,” and Yesh Din views Israel to be an apartheid state, and demonstrated support for Turkey after the Gaza Flotilla incident.
Woman of the Wall Chair Anat Hoffman “also happens to be the chair of the Domari Society of Gypsies in Jerusalem,” which is a part of Al Aqsa Grassroots, an anti-Israel network that supports "resistance to the occupation" and is against the "Judaization of Jerusalem," in addition to supporting the Palestinian right of return to Israel, reveals Avraham.
Before the 1993 Oslo Accords, she adds, Hoffman was the chairwoman of Women in Black, a group that advocates giving all of Judea and Samaria, as well as eastern Jerusalem – which includes the area of the Western Wall, or Kotel – to the Palestinian Authority.
Daniel Greenfield has more information that's just as galling. I knew that Hoffman was once involved with Women in Black, but never realized till now that it was this bad.
And it makes me depressed that I felt I would have to go out of my way to argue the free speech rights of a group whose leaders could have shady ties to vile movements. At worst, this is embarrassing.
But this is exactly why I'm even more disgusted than ever at the Haredi sources who were going out of their way to raise a ruckus at the Western Wall, because it only helped to give Hoffman all the spotlighting she wanted. As far as all the cursing from Haredi hooligans is concerned, she may be disappointed on the surface, but underneath, you can be sure she's gleaned satisfaction from how some of the Haredis otherwise proved themselves lacking in manners. I always suspected that the Haredi opposition to WotW had nothing to do with any of these legitimate beefs, and went along a superficial line of dislike for alien customs. (I won't be surprised if Bnei Akiva's near opposition was the same.) Another grave error with their approach. If WotW were disturbing the peace - something the menfolk could do too - that's another legitimate argument to make. But apparently, none of those more valid beefs ever served as a reason for opposing them, and were squandered on childish cursing over dislike of foreign ideas.
Let us be clear: if Haredis would improve their educational curriculum right down to featuring Proverbs 18-21, then WotW would never have gotten this far. We can only thank the Haredi leadership for spectacularly failing to wise up and realize they'd cause all the damage and embarrassment they're going to cause if they keep this up.
Greenfield sums this up nicely:
Women should be able to pray at the wall, but that right shouldn’t be hijacked by left-wing activists with a history of undermining Israel.
And the field for discussion of free speech issues should not be left for the left to monopolize. Israel Today also makes a good argument about why WotW's Reform-based customs are so abnormal for women:
Despite what radical voices may tell you today, the ancient Jewish tradition that exempts women from many commandments did not result out of the minds of “chauvinist pigs.” Quite the opposite, these exemptions were established out of concern for women who simply found it overwhelming to keep up with certain commandments along with child birth, child rearing and housekeeping.
To give but one example, the holy duty to wear phylacteries [tfillin] performed during the time of the Morning Prayer cannot be interrupted, a stipulation that under no circumstances should be required of nursing women. Likewise, the specific commandments regarding women’s purity made it difficult for them to read from the Torah, hence they were exempt from this duty.
Well to be fair, reading from the Torah at a synagogue isn't as difficult as tfillin prayer, so depending on one's view, that's not nearly as worrisome. But the tfillin matter is definitely a legitimate belief and argument, and that's why women are only obligated to take steps like reading psalms and candle lighting on weekends. So yeah, that makes for a valid argument why Reform customs are so sloppy. I honestly don't know why a fine writer like Dr. Phyllis Chesler is involved with them. I understand that she's worried about women's rights, but it shouldn't be at the cost of legitimizing leftards.
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Documentary evidence of ties between Women of the Wall and radical 'Palestinian' groups
For those of you who are interested, here is the supporting documentation for the story on the ties between Women of the Wall and radical 'Palestinian' groups (including those supported by the New Israel Fund). I got permission from the person who sent it to me to upload the material to ScribD and it's embedded below.
The document is in Hebrew, but even if you don't speak Hebrew, you should click on the embedded links to see how deep the ties are between these 'heroines' of American Jewry and those who would extirpate the existence of the Jewish state.
http://israelmatzav.blogspot.co.uk/2013/11/documentary-evidence-of-ties-between.html#links
http://www.scribd.com/doc/183484726/Women-of-the-Wall-documentation
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www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZT-orY6IBk
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http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/168580
Chief Rabbis Receive Threats from 'Women of the Wall'
Threatening letters were sent Monday to the offices of Israel's Chief Rabbis, signed by 'Women of the Wall.'
Threatening letters were sent Monday to the offices of Chief Rabbis Shlomo Amar and Yonah Metzger. The identical letters said that this was the Chief Rabbis' “last chance” to drop their opposition to allowing women's groups to pray as they wish at the Western Wall.
The letters included threatening language and images. A drawing of a gun was scrawled on the letters. The text said that if the rabbis did not allow women – specifically "Women of the Wall" – to pray at the Western Wall as they wished, the rabbis “would return home with the dead bodies of hundreds of hareidi Jews.”
The letters included vituperative language aimed at the religious public as well, adding that women's rights groups would “no longer hold back. We will liberate the Kotel all over again.”
The Director of the Chief Rabbis' offices, Oded Wiener, has submitted the letters to government security officials for an investigation. The Prime Minister's Office is responsible for the Chief Rabbis' security. Police are set to open their own investigation, a spokesperson for the police said.
Many religious Jews, both male and female, oppose the form of prayer held by the women's group, who insist on the equal right to pray out loud next to the Western Wall with tallit and tefillin as men do, as well as reading from the Torah.
In a statement, the Chief Rabbis offices termed the threats “shocking,” and “the crossing of a red line. This is the first time the Chief Rabbis' lives have been threatened. Unfortunately, we have already seen how words can kill,” the statement said, evoking the murder of former Prime Minister Yitzchak Rabin. “This is not just a threat against the rabbis, but against an entire community. We hope the police will track down these inciters and deal with them appropriately," the statement added.
An additional threatening letter was sent to Rabbi Shmuel Rabinowitz, Rabbi of the Kotel and Holy Places. The letter was also signed by the “Women of the Wall” female prayer group, and said that the group would physically harm the rabbi if the group was not allowed free access to the Western Wall.
In a statement, the Women of the Wall group said that they were “saddened to hear about the threats of violence against the Chief Rabbis. Anyone with any sense knows that Women of the Wall have no connection to these threats, and that they do not represent the values of love of the Jewish people that guide us. We hope police will find out who sent these letters, and we stand ready to help in any way possible.”
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http://matzav.com/exposed-women-of-the-wall-linked-to-rabidly-anti-israel-groups
EXPOSED: Women of the Wall Linked To Rabidly Anti-Israel Groups
Tuesday November 5, 2013 7:33 PM - 32 Comments
women-of-the-wallBy Rachel Avraham
In Israel, Women of the Wall is often presented as a feminist organization who seeks to conduct egalitarian prayer services with women wearing talleisim at the Kosel. The Israeli public is generally not aware that the Women of the Wall organization possesses links to anti-Israel groups.
Jerusalem Online News recently learned that Batya Kallus, Women of the Wall Vice chair, facilitates funding for anti-Israel groups such as Adalah, Ir Amin, Yesh Din, Mossawa, among others, as part of her position as programs officer for the Moriya Fund. NGO Monitor has reported in depth about how these organizations contribute towards the delegitimization of Israel in the world.
Adalah is opposed to Israel’s right to exist as a Jewish state, views Israel to be a colonial state, and has participated in anti-Israel activism via Israel Apartheid Weeks and the Goldstone Report, which until its arguments were retracted by its main author caused Israel significant diplomatic damage. Adalah is mentioned by name 38 times in the Goldstone Report.
Ir Amin supports the division of Yerushalayim, has asserted that Israel’s archaeological digs within the city are a “tool in the fight for control” over the city, that Israeli governmental powers are being handed over to “settler organizations,” and that the Security Barrier is not motivated primarily by security concerns. They run highly politicized anti-Israel tours of the holy city, which indoctrinate internationals into holding anti-Israel views. In the Huffington Post, Ir Amin appealed to the US Government to “threaten Israel with severing diplomatic ties. Threaten us with cutting back on, or even cutting off, the annual support package. Bludgeon us over the head and force us to wise up.”
Yesh Din views Israel to be an apartheid state and demonstrated support for Turkey after the Gaza Flotilla incident, even though the Turkish sailors on board the Mavi Marmara ship chanted jihadi slogans and attacked IDF soldiers. They routinely indoctrinate foreign diplomats to hold anti-Israel views, petition the Israeli Supreme Court to rule more in favor of the Palestinian side, and encourages Palestinians to demand more from Israel.
Mossawa is based on the premise that “the State of Israel was established on the ruins of the Palestinian people, for whom the event was a national tragedy - the Nakba.” Mossawa, like Adalah, explicitly has stated that they refuse to recognize Israel’s right to exist as a Jewish state. They publish an annual racism report that makes outrageous claims, such as labeling an indictment against Chadash Chairman MK Muhammad Barakeh for assaulting a police officer as a violation of the Arab MK’s political freedom. This listing just represents a sample of the types of organizations that Kallus facilitated funding for.
Anat Hoffman, Chairwoman of Woman of the Wall, also happens to be the chairwoman of the Domari Society of Gypsies in Jerusalem. Her association partners include Yonathan Mizrahi and Dafna Strauss from the Emek Shaveh organization, which calls for an international committee to investigate Israeli archaeological work in Jerusalem and runs archaeology-based anti-Israel tours of the city. The Domari Society of Gypsies is also part of Al Aqsa Grassroots, an anti-Israel network that supports “resistance to the occupation” and is against the “Judaization of Jerusalem,” in addition to supporting the Palestinian right of return to Israel proper.
The Women of the Wall organization has a hidden anti-Israel agenda, as demonstrated by their unreasonable demands for accepting the Israeli governments compromise proposal that would give them a place to pray at the Kosel. They seek to portray Israel as a fundamentalist anti-feminist country that forbids freedom of worship, thus driving a wedge between the State of Israel and the largely Reform-dominated Jewish American community that does prefer to pray with men and women together, with the women wearing talleisim. By turning the American Jewish community against Israel, they hope to push Israel into a wall, diplomatically speaking. It appears that promoting feminism isn’t their only objective. Jerusalem Online
{Matzav.com Israel}
Rachel Avraham, author of the article
Time November 6, 2013 at 3:03 PM
To every one who cares about the truth:
Women of the Wall threatened Jerusalem Online News with legal action, hence why it was removed. This is a routine scare tactic of radical leftists, since they only can tolerate having their own views published and are opposed to dissent. However, all of the facts in the article are documented and have been checked numerous times before publication. I am a serious investigative journalist and would not have published it otherwise. I want to thank Matzav.com for reprinting the article, so the article will be public at this moment. Women of the Wall had the article taken down because they threaten news organizations that don’t publish what they like. Since I proved beyond a doubt to my editor that Women of the Wall representatives lied to him about the accuracy of the article so he would be pressured into taking it down, we are discussing how to proceed. However, they can’t threaten journalists and then use the fact it was taken down as proof that the article is wrong.
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Hey can you repost that photo of the "religious" freaks in a gay parade?
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Oh my G-d I have never seen such an ugly female in my entire life.
She makes Lassie look human.
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www.jewishtelegraph.com
More girls demand the right to put on tefillin
THE practice of allowing Orthodox girls in New York to don tefillin is growing.
It began last month when Salanter Akiba Riverdale High School allowed two female students to begin wearing tefillin at school during their morning prayers.
And now the Upper East Side modern-Orthodox school Ramaz has announced it will allow its women to do the same.
Rabbi Haskel Lookstein, the principal of Ramaz, told the newspaper Jewish Week that women were always allowed to wear tefillin during the weekly women-only prayer session - a practice that began in 2002.
Now they will be able to do so, should they so desire, during the regular daily minyan, the principal said.
Rabbi Lookstein said that the first time he received a request from a woman to wear tefillin was back in the early 1990s. At the time, he said no.
"If we were asked the question today, we are in agreement that if a young woman wanted to put on tefillin and tallit, she could daven with us in our school minyan," he added, though he noted that he has yet to actually receive such a request.
The two students at SAR high school in Riverdale, Ronit Morris and Yael Marans, campaigned long and hard to be allowed to wear tallit and tefillin at their all-women's prayer group.
They told their school newspaper, The SAR Buzz, that they started putting on tefillin around their batmitzvahs, but Morris said it just didn't seem like something that women at SAR did, despite the fact that she lay tefillin at her previous school.
Marans said she told SAR's principal, Rabbi Tully Harcsztark, that "I didn't know how much I would miss davening without tefillin during the week".
Rabbi Harcsztark alerted the SAR faculty on December 8 that Morris and Marans would begin laying tefillin, and that even though the issue was "communally controversial", he believed it was "halachically permissible".
"These girls came to me and said that they put on tefillin every morning - that's the way that they have been raised," Rabbi Harcsztark told The Buzz.
"It's not a flippant attitude. It's a practice that has a halachic basis."
At another modern-Orthodox high school in Los Angeles, Shalhevet, Principal Rabbi Ari Segal said in the school's online student newspaper, The Boiling Point: "While there certainly exist legitimate halachic and rabbinic sources that suggest permitting the practice of women wearing tefillin, Shalhevet is a school that draws from a broad spectrum.
"In order to maintain that diversity, there will be times when something might be technically permitted but not wise to allow."
None of this has anything to do with women of the wall or egalitarianism.
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The same women who are advocating for women to daven with Tefillin are the same women who are champion the rights of gays and lesbians and insisting lesbians have every right to become rabbis of their synagogues, etc.
Thank G-d that these insidious feminazis who care nothing about Judaism, just "their freedom" do not have many children. Most of these feminists championing the rights of women to pray with teffilin as well as have gay sex and every other form of vice against our Holy Torah, rarely ever want to burden themselves with motherhood and producing a future generation.
One day the Charedim, Chassids and Ultra-Orthodox, in general, will take over the land of Israel and all this non-sense will be put to a stop once and for all!
Here is a prime of example of some of the champions of the Woman of the Wall movement, the Lesbian Rabbi Lisa Edwards and her lesbian lover Tracy Moore..
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I've said it before and I'll say it again...
There are righteous women who do desire to demonstrate their devotion to Hashem and are not satisfied with the commandments they have. While I am fully in agreement that women should be responsible for their traditional roles, as the caretaker and the one to bring up the children, I also know that in todays world some women are confused about their role.
I do not hate the woman who really wants to wear Tefillin to be able to fulfill the commandment we read daily in the Shema. While women are exempt from time-bound commandments (of which davening is considered), they are encouraged to daven when they have the time to do so. I can imagine that some women feel that they need a more active demonstration of their 'Dyvakus Hashem' (desire to be close to G-d).
It is the desire to cling to Hashem that brings man to willingly and cheerfully do the commandments (such that Hashem's will BECOMES his will)...
I suppose it is the reason we Bless Hashem that we were made men... That we are obliged in these commandments... But so many men often grow to feel the mitzvahs are a burden, and they do them without any joy.
Before I finish this post let me bring a discussion of the concept of 'Dyvekyus Hashem':
The profundity of the concept of reward for a mitzvah is given an interesting interpretation in the words of the Mishnah that declares sechar mitzvah – mitzvah construed to mean "the reward of a mitzvah is the mitzvah itself" (Avos 4:2). What animates every mitzvah, say its "soul", is the concept of dveykus b'Hashem, closeness to G-d. In-other-words, the very act of the mitzvah is the medium whereby man forges a timeless relationship with G-d. Conversely, every sin or transgression causes the opposite impact: it draws the person away from G- d.
So one should never attempt to evaluate and weigh up the relative importance of mitzvos based upon their perceived level of reward. Insofar as both function to successful bring man closer to G-d, the Jew truly has no way of knowing the exact reward within each mitzvah. Whether it is classified an 'easy' compared to 'harder' , he has to scrupulously perform both with the same vigilance and zeal (Avos 2:1). This comes out of cognizance that their defining objective – i.e. to draw close to G-d by obeying His will – lies at the heart of each and every mitzvah.
This beautifully explains why, apart from some occasional side benefits, the principal of man's reward is not within this world" (Kiddushin 29b). Fundamentally flawed, the physical, fleeting world lacks the currency to adequately reward the righteous. Such a person's reward is reserved, instead, for the world to come. How pathetically inadequate any reward in this world is, is memorably explained by Rabbi Eliyahu Dessler. All the happiness and pleasure of a lifetime coupled with the joy of every person in every city and country who have ever lived, if it was possible to concentrate them into one moment; could still not provide reward even for the smallest mitzvah compared to the delight man will experience in connected with G-d in the world to come (Michtav MiEliyahu I, p 4-5).
The resultant state of dveykus is brought out by a lifetime of mitzvah performance. The greatest reward imaginable that is a spiritual, eternal one that will to be fully felt in the world to come. Importantly, the spiritual world to come is exclusively determined by whatever man makes of himself and his achievements in this physical world.
What the Jew does here comes to define his reward there. Obviously, it is imperative that man chase after mitzvah opportunities to constantly develop his closeness with G-d. The relationship successfully forged, after all, is his ultimate and eternal reward.
So while I do not support 'Women of the Wall' and their obvious connections with Jew haters, and anti-Judaic organizations, and I stand opposed at every opportunity against their designs... My point is that there are non-lesbian, righteous women who do desire to perform the mitzvahs men do... These women I respect.
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I've said it before and I'll say it again...
There are righteous women who do desire to demonstrate their devotion to Hashem and are not satisfied with the commandments they have. While I am fully in agreement that women should be responsible for their traditional roles, as the caretaker and the one to bring up the children, I also know that in todays world some women are confused about their role.
I do not hate the woman who really wants to wear Tefillin to be able to fulfill the commandment we read daily in the Shema. While women are exempt from time-bound commandments (of which davening is considered), they are encouraged to daven when they have the time to do so. I can imagine that some women feel that they need a more active demonstration of their 'Dyvakus Hashem' (desire to be close to G-d).
It is the desire to cling to Hashem that brings man to willingly and cheerfully do the commandments (such that Hashem's will BECOMES his will)...
I suppose it is the reason we Bless Hashem that we were made men... That we are obliged in these commandments... But so many men often grow to feel the mitzvahs are a burden, and they do them without any joy.
Before I finish this post let me bring a discussion of the concept of 'Dyvekyus Hashem':
So while I do not support 'Women of the Wall' and their obvious connections with Jew haters, and anti-Judaic organizations, and I stand opposed at every opportunity against their designs... My point is that there are non-lesbian, righteous women who do desire to perform the mitzvahs men do... These women I respect.
Amen :clap:
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"Torah stunt at the Kotel"
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/194301#.VTTcn00cTn4
(http://www.israelnationalnews.com/static/Resizer.ashx/news/468/282/579339.jpg)
Some revere these women. Others revile them!
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He is having a party! What's wrong with that ? G-od like having fun! You would if your home was abandoned, the women don't know how are ridiculed everyday!
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"Torah stunt at the Kotel"
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/194301#.VTTcn00cTn4
(http://www.israelnationalnews.com/static/Resizer.ashx/news/468/282/579339.jpg)
Some revere these women. Others revile them!
Tell me that they are not a bunch of carpet munchers!!!!
>:(
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(http://www.israelnationalnews.com/static/Resizer.ashx/news/468/282/594295.jpg)
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Yerusha, you must have a fetish for manly women with mouth wide open.
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Anyway women WoW horor can catch on as much as they want! The Kotel is not of any significance for real Jew, give them all the kotel if they want take back the temple mount holy.
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(https://images.jpost.com/image/upload/f_auto,fl_lossy/t_Article2016_ControlFaceDetect/417054)
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(https://images.jpost.com/image/upload/f_auto,fl_lossy/t_Article2016_ControlFaceDetect/417054)
She looks like a typical carpet muncher
:::D :::D :::D :::D :::D
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(https://images.jpost.com/image/upload/f_auto,fl_lossy/t_Article2016_ControlFaceDetect/417054)
Oi she thinks the blue thing is the talit. That didn't work out for Korach.
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The blonde one looks like it could be a Tranny.
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The blonde one looks like it could be a Tranny.
They all look like trannys & bull dykes