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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: Joe Gutfeld on June 04, 2013, 06:16:50 PM
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What do you guys think of that group of Jews who were protesting against Israel's right to exist? It's a joke that this group does this every year at the "Salute to Israel" parade.
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What do you guys think of that group of Jews who were protesting against Israel's right to exist? It's a joke that this group does this every year at the "Salute to Israel" parade.
Can you say 'Self-Hating' pathetic 'jews'.... If anything it is a sad commentary about how low the Jewish people have fallen while in exile...
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Is this the Neturei Karta nuts or some silly self-hating Secular Liberal Jews?
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It's worse when NK does if because they look like religious Jews, therefore more of a Chillul Hashem.
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It's worse when NK does if because they look like religious Jews, therefore more of a Chillul Hashem.
Follow them dressed that way, then pop Israel falgs out and start cheering and they'll go bananas.
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I think that it's the group that doesn't reconize the state of Israel. They carry signs that says, "the Torah does not reconize the "state of Israel". And "Torah forbids a Jewish state".
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The leftists Jews are just as bad,just smarter
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I think that it's the group that doesn't reconize the state of Israel. They carry signs that says, "the Torah does not reconize the "state of Israel". And "Torah forbids a Jewish state".
Torah forbids them. Living.
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I think that it's the group that doesn't reconize the state of Israel. They carry signs that says, "the Torah does not reconize the "state of Israel". And "Torah forbids a Jewish state".
They are Jew-hating frauds who are traitors and love our enemies.
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It's worse when NK does if because they look like religious Jews, therefore more of a Chillul Hashem.
Their is no real looking like Religious Jews, unless its Tefillin and Sissit (Tzitzit).
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Chaim gave them the yimach shemam curse on a past Ask JTF show.
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Their is no real looking like Religious Jews, unless its Tefillin and Sissit (Tzitzit).
Three garments, Kippah, Tzittzits and Tefillin...
I just gave my Tefillin to my Rabbi to get them checked... It's been years since they have been inspected to check if they are still Kosher...
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I did ask Chaim for his opinon on this group. I just don't understand why any sect of Jews will protest the existance of Israel. It's a Jewish state It's for all Jews. But, when Israel is attacked, they are the first ones to pray by the whaling wall.
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I did ask Chaim for his opinon on this group. I just don't understand why any sect of Jews will protest the existance of Israel. It's a Jewish state It's for all Jews. But, when Israel is attacked, they are the first ones to pray by the whaling wall.
(http://www.alaska-in-pictures.com/data/media/12/whale-wall_3083.jpg)
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I did ask Chaim for his opinon on this group. I just don't understand why any sect of Jews will protest the existance of Israel. It's a Jewish state It's for all Jews. But, when Israel is attacked, they are the first ones to pray by the whaling wall.
Actually that isn't true (both statements) they (the NK who we are talking about) don't pray for the safety of other Jews, nor do they pray by the Western Wall because it was liberated by the Zionists.
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It's not something new. We in Holland have certain groups. Same as in Germany we have the 'Anti-Deutsche'... These are extreme-leftwingers that hate Germany and all his culture and traditions... Every country and race got this kind of people. We should not pay to much attention on them. They are just people in the middle, that don't have an idea of what they doing.
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I did ask Chaim for his opinon on this group. I just don't understand why any sect of Jews will protest the existance of Israel. It's a Jewish state It's for all Jews. But, when Israel is attacked, they are the first ones to pray by the whaling wall.
No they aren't. Most of the traitors of this arab loving group live outside Israel. The handful that live in Israel will not pray at the wall because they are opposed to it. You seem confused.
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It's not something new. We in Holland have certain groups. Same as in Germany we have the 'Anti-Deutsche'... These are extreme-leftwingers that hate Germany and all his culture and traditions... Every country and race got this kind of people. We should not pay to much attention on them. They are just people in the middle, that don't have an idea of what they doing.
But the anti-deutche have good reason to believe what they believe. German is not a worthwhile human culture. A tradition of inhuman barbarity and irritatingly anal insistence on punctuality. Nothing more. They offer nothing of value to th e world.
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(http://www.alaska-in-pictures.com/data/media/12/whale-wall_3083.jpg)
That image is from the Long Beach convention center... I used to live down the street from there...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long_Beach_Convention_Center
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5b/LBarena.jpg)
Along the exterior wall of the drum-shaped Arena is "Planet Ocean", one of environmental artist Wyland's Whaling Walls, which was dedicated on July 9, 1992. At 116,000 square feet (11,000 m²), it is the world's largest mural (according to the Guinness Book of Records). The mural depicts migratory gray whales and other aquatic life that can be found in the waters off Long Beach.
In celebration of Earth Day in 2009, Wyland touched up the existing Whaling Wall and added a large mural of the earth on the roof of the arena.[2]
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Yeah, he likes to group all religious groups together because of the media lumping this together as "Ultra-Orthodox". Not all Orthodox Jews are the same, and neither are Haredim (What people call "Utlra-Orthodox). Some Haredim are also Hasidim, but not all. And there are different kinds of Hasidim. The NK traitors are a marginal group within Satmar Hasidism although Satmar itself does not support NK, even though they are both Anti-Zionist. I don't think the Satmar would pose with the Iranian Muslim Nazis at Holocaust Denial conferences.
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Yeah, he likes to group all religious groups together because of the media lumping this together as "Ultra-Orthodox". Not all Orthodox Jews are the same, and neither are Haredim (What people call "Utlra-Orthodox). Some Haredim or also Hasidim, but not all. And there are different kinds of Hasidim. The NK traitors are a marginal group within Satmar Hasidism although Satmar itself does not support NK, even though they are both Anti-Zionist. I don't think the Satmar would pose with the Iranian Muslim Nazis at Holocaust Denial conferences.
I have stated this numerous times. I have a friend (who is a Kohen) who has friends in Satmar..
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Yeah, he likes to group all religious groups together because of the media lumping this together as "Ultra-Orthodox". Not all Orthodox Jews are the same, and neither are Haredim (What people call "Utlra-Orthodox). Some Haredim are also Hasidim, but not all. And there are different kinds of Hasidim. The NK traitors are a marginal group within Satmar Hasidism although Satmar itself does not support NK, even though they are both Anti-Zionist. I don't think the Satmar would pose with the Iranian Muslim Nazis at Holocaust Denial conferences.
But Naturei Karta originally were not hasidim, even though they wear payos. So how are they a sect of Satmar? I don't think they are. There just may be some small portion of Satmar hasidim who take their rebbe's teachings to their conclusions and then join up with Naturei Karta. If so, that's still a big difference.
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But Naturei Karta originally were not hasidim, even though they wear payos. So how are they a sect of Satmar? I don't think they are. There just may be some small portion of Satmar hasidim who take their rebbe's teachings to their conclusions and then join up with Naturei Karta. If so, that's still a big difference.
Its confusing because they themselves are confused freaks. But yes, they are not Hassidim, and not Satmar although their main "source" if you will is the Satmar Rebbes book.
And what you would call Satmar itself although officially Hasidic and has some of its teachings (and branched from it) themselves say they lost the true path of the Baal Shem Tov and are just a community (as they define themselves instead of being in the true path of the Hassidim- (their Rebbes word, that not them nor any other Hassidim in these generations follow the true path of the Besht).
But yes some within Satmar do crazy/wrong things, while others within Satmar do do some volunteer work in Israel for example work with ambulances or do guard duty but within independent groups and not within Tzahal.
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That image is from the Long Beach convention center... I used to live down the street from there...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long_Beach_Convention_Center
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5b/LBarena.jpg)
to pray by the whaling wall.
(http://ocw.mit.edu/ans7870/21f/21f.027/black_ships_and_samurai/image/NewBedford_whaler.jpg)
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But the anti-deutche have good reason to believe what they believe. German is not a worthwhile human culture. A tradition of inhuman barbarity and irritatingly anal insistence on punctuality. Nothing more. They offer nothing of value to th e world.
Hahaha funny!!!
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
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From the NK wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neturei_karta
Neturei Karta (Jewish Babylonian Aramaic: נטורי קרתא nāṭūrī qarṯā, literally "Guardians of the City") is a Jewish sect, formally created in Jerusalem, British Mandate of Palestine, in 1938, splitting off from Agudas Yisrael. Neturei Karta opposes Zionism and calls for a peaceful dismantling of the State of Israel, in the belief that Jews are forbidden to have their own state until the coming of the Jewish Messiah.[1][2] They live as a part of larger Haredi communities around the globe.
In Israel some members also pray at affiliated beit midrash, in Jerusalem's Meah Shearim neighborhood and in Ramat Beit Shemesh Bet. Neturei Karta states that no official count of the number of members exists.[3] The Jewish Virtual Library puts their numbers at 5,000 in Jerusalem[4] The Anti-Defamation League estimates that fewer than 100 members of the community take part in anti-Israel activism.[5]
According to Neturei Karta:
"The name Neturei Karta is a name usually given to those people who regularly pray in the Neturei Karta synagogues (Torah Ve'Yirah Jerusalem, Torah U'Tefillah London, Torah U'Tefillah NY, Beis Yehudi Upstate NY, etc.), study in or send their children to educational institutions run by Neturei Karta, or actively participate in activities, assemblies or demonstrations called by the Neturei Karta".[6]
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From the NK wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neturei_karta
Neturei Karta (Jewish Babylonian Aramaic: נטורי קרתא nāṭūrī qarṯā, literally "Guardians of the City") is a Jewish sect, formally created in Jerusalem, British Mandate of Palestine, in 1938, splitting off from Agudas Yisrael. Neturei Karta opposes Zionism and calls for a peaceful dismantling of the State of Israel, in the belief that Jews are forbidden to have their own state until the coming of the Jewish Messiah.[1][2] They live as a part of larger Haredi communities around the globe.
In Israel some members also pray at affiliated beit midrash, in Jerusalem's Meah Shearim neighborhood and in Ramat Beit Shemesh Bet. Neturei Karta states that no official count of the number of members exists.[3] The Jewish Virtual Library puts their numbers at 5,000 in Jerusalem[4] The Anti-Defamation League estimates that fewer than 100 members of the community take part in anti-Israel activism.[5]
According to Neturei Karta:
"The name Neturei Karta is a name usually given to those people who regularly pray in the Neturei Karta synagogues (Torah Ve'Yirah Jerusalem, Torah U'Tefillah London, Torah U'Tefillah NY, Beis Yehudi Upstate NY, etc.), study in or send their children to educational institutions run by Neturei Karta, or actively participate in activities, assemblies or demonstrations called by the Neturei Karta".[6]
They're kinda like Christians, except they believe in the second coming of the Jews.
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They're kinda like Christians, except they believe in the second coming of the Jews.
Huh? How? (it just came to me, perhaps the" turning of the cheek" philosophy, except they can and do get violent at Jews sometimes).
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Huh? How? (it just came to me, perhaps the" turning of the cheek" philosophy, except they can and do get violent at Jews sometimes).
Think. If they say "there will never be an Israel" they can't even claim to like Torah. Their biggest problem, with saying that the messiah should make Israel, besides that they're saying that all Jews there will be killed, is that there is an Israel, so in order to them to be right, the Jews there have to die, Israel has to be destroyed, and then the messiah can come for the second coming of Israel.
I kinda like how the prophesy about the second coming of the Jews doesn't exist. Tell this to them and they'll run crying back to the muzzrat [censored] they bend over backwards for.
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They're kinda like Christians, except they believe in the second coming of the Jews.
Not exactly... We Jews believe that Moshiach will come, gather the exiles into the Holy Land, and rebuild the Temple...
No 'second coming' or anything like that... Just the promised redemption.
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Not exactly... We Jews believe that Moshiach will come, gather the exiles into the Holy Land, and rebuild the Temple...
No 'second coming' or anything like that... Just the promised redemption.
Yes my man, we Jews believe that. Do we believe in a second coming of Israel, too?
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Yes my man, we Jews believe that. Do we believe in a second coming of Israel, too?
It is called 'the ingathering of exiles'... The Torah and Prophets foretell this...
http://www.sichosinenglish.org/books/highlights-of-moshiach/08.htm
In the Rambam's Code we find a clear ruling pertaining to the order of events through Moshiach:[42]
"He will rebuild the Beis Hamikdash in its place and then will gather the ingathering of exiles."
It is known that the Rambam shows significance and meaning even in the order of his rulings, as is also seen in the beginning of this Chapter:[43]
"The King Moshiach will arise and will fully restore the Kingdom of David to its original esteemed sovereignty; then he will rebuild the Beis Hamikdash and will gather the remnants of Jews in exile."
No posek (Codifier) disagrees with this order and ruling. And the Halachic principle is[44] that wherever the Commentaries on Rambam do not disagree with him, it is proof that they agree with his ruling. In our case, this refers to the renowned Codifiers - Raavad, Kesef Mishneh, Radvaz, etc. (who show no disagreement with this ruling re: the order of Moshiach's activities).
Practical, legal rulings are found and authenticated only in the works of Poskim, and not in Midrashic or Talmudic sources. And Rambam is the classical authoritative Codifier, especially in the area of Moshiach.
As such, Moshiach will usher in the final end of exile and then will come the beginning of redemption, followed by the true and complete redemption. After this, Moshiach will bring the ingathering of the exiles to our homeland, Israel.
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It is called 'the ingathering of exiles'... The Torah and Prophets foretell this...
http://www.sichosinenglish.org/books/highlights-of-moshiach/08.htm
I too think the moshiah will come and more Jews will join. G-d brought the Jews back to Israel though, and they won't need to make a new one. Israel is the Zion foretold.
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Yes my man, we Jews believe that. Do we believe in a second coming of Israel, too?
No, third. The second was during the times of Ezra and Nehemia. Now its the third (was and is going on for some time now).
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No, third. The second was during the times of Ezra and Nehemia. Now its the third (was and is going on for some time now).
Second modern. You know what I mean.