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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: Rational Jew on August 30, 2013, 03:18:40 PM
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I'm not a feminist per se, but this article makes me sick. I found it on some Facebook group. Is that how sexist the society was back in the day?
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What article?
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While it was certainly more common then... it was not as widespread as this article makes you think. I remember my grandfather told me how horrified he was when he saw a friend and coworker do this to his wife.
Anyway.... this is not the exception... but the rule in Islam.
Also... as bad as things were years ago... the laws for women in places like Saudi Arabia are absolutely ridiculous compared to the west in the early days.
For example... women are forbidden to ride a bike... unless they are accompanied by a male relative and cannot use the bike for any functional reason (getting from point A to B)... only brief joyrides.
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Women must respect their men. A marriage should be a two-way street where the woman respects the man (in a traditional marriage). I am the type who expects the woman to take care of the house, to make dinner, and take care of the chores at home. I have worked every day of my adult life (and some of my teenage life too) and have supported my family.
I understand those who don't see the traditional roles because in my pre-teshuva years I got involved with some pretty promiscuous women. But as I got older I learned that the traditional roles are the best. There are women who want to work, and this is fine, but if they want to have a good relationship with their man they need to learn how to be a good helper. The Torah explains that Eve was created to be a help-mate for Adam. She is to be an opposer if he is doing wrong, but a helper if he is doing right. So too the man must be a giver to his woman, she is the soul of the family and deserves gifts and kind words.
Judaism has an entire lesson on 'Shalom Bayit' (Peace in the Home) which discusses how best for a man and woman to live together in a peaceful home.
I do not believe that a man should 'spank' a wife. This is an extreme I have only heard about from a 'Born Again' Christian who used to tell me that the New Testament gave him the authority to strike his wife. I have never heard of such a thing, but if it is true it is a misunderstanding of the New Testament concerning the marital relationship.
Discipline is a good thing to have in a marriage though. Fear is also an important part of a relationship. This is why the relationship of the Jewish people to Hashem is often compared to the marriage of a man (Hashem) to his wife (Israel) who entered the covenant under the Chupah (Marriage canopy) at mount Sinai. Israel is expected to both LOVE and FEAR Hashem because fear of upsetting the other partner should prevent one from transgressing their wishes.
I found the following on the issue of spanking in Christianity : http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2346393/The-Christian-movement-tells-husbands-SPANK-wives-correct-misbehavior.html
A growing number of married American couples are agreeing to allow husbands to keep their wives 'in line' by taking to corporal punishment.
The trend is called Christian Domestic Discipline and much of what is known about the practice is published on the website Learning Domestic Discipline, published by husband and wife CDD duo, Clint and Chelsea.
The website states: 'It is an arrangement between two adults who share the belief that the husband is the head of the household and with that position comes the right to enforce his authority.'
Clint and Chelsea have also written a 50-page packet on the practice called Beginning Domestic Discipline.
http://churchandstate.org.uk/2013/06/spanking-for-jesus-movement/
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David Ben Moshe is the king of the castle here and what he says goes=happiness.
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Most Christians believe a man should love his wife as God loves the church, and by the church it doesn't mean one building or denomination it means all true believers as a collective. Any kind of long-term loving relationship should be based on mutual respect and not by one person making another person into a slave.
Those CDD people are just finding an excuse for their fetish, because they like the BDSM aspect but they don't want to be associated with the main BDSM subculture.
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It could be an article from some trashy tabloid. I don't think it was a socially accepted practice.
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It could be an article from some trashy tabloid. I don't think it was a socially accepted practice.
True, look at the question itself, it's already loaded. No serious journalist would ask the question in that way.
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The bottom of the article says it was the New York Mirror which was a weekly paper that ceased operation back in 1898... I believe this article came from the New York Daily Mirror which was a paper much like today's Daily News... From the pictures of the people it seems like it could be the 1950's or early 60's... Ten dollars was almost a days pay for most people around that time so I am sure people played it up a bit to get their write in accepted :::D
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what kind of address is "New York 4, NY"?
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Well, some women need a good spank sometimes....
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:-XWell, some women need a good spank sometimes....
Women must respect their men. A marriage should be a two-way street where the woman respects the man (in a traditional marriage). I am the type who expects the woman to take care of the house, to make dinner, and take care of the chores at home. I have worked every day of my adult life (and some of my teenage life too) and have supported my family.
I understand those who don't see the traditional roles because in my pre-teshuva years I got involved with some pretty promiscuous women. But as I got older I learned that the traditional roles are the best. There are women who want to work, and this is fine, but if they want to have a good relationship with their man they need to learn how to be a good helper. The Torah explains that Eve was created to be a help-mate for Adam. She is to be an opposer if he is doing wrong, but a helper if he is doing right. So too the man must be a giver to his woman, she is the soul of the family and deserves gifts and kind words.
Judaism has an entire lesson on 'Shalom Bayit' (Peace in the Home) which discusses how best for a man and woman to live together in a peaceful home.
I do not believe that a man should 'spank' a wife. This is an extreme I have only heard about from a 'Born Again' Christian who used to tell me that the New Testament gave him the authority to strike his wife. I have never heard of such a thing, but if it is true it is a misunderstanding of the New Testament concerning the marital relationship.
Discipline is a good thing to have in a marriage though. Fear is also an important part of a relationship. This is why the relationship of the Jewish people to Hashem is often compared to the marriage of a man (Hashem) to his wife (Israel) who entered the covenant under the Chupah (Marriage canopy) at mount Sinai. Israel is expected to both LOVE and FEAR Hashem because fear of upsetting the other partner should prevent one from transgressing their wishes.
I found the following on the issue of spanking in Christianity : http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2346393/The-Christian-movement-tells-husbands-SPANK-wives-correct-misbehavior.html
http://churchandstate.org.uk/2013/06/spanking-for-jesus-movement/
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what kind of address is "New York 4, NY"?
Zip codes were only put in place in the early 1960's and even then for a few years it was not mandatory to use them when addressing mail... New York 4 NY might have been some earlier zoning system before they came up with the nation wide zip code system.
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Well, some women need a good spank sometimes....
Believe me... I've been a woman my WHOLE life.. I know that a spanking does not work.
Women are EMOTIONAL creatures.
Tell em they are fat and that is a spanking enough
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Believe me... I've been a woman my WHOLE life.. I know that a spanking does not work.
Women are EMOTIONAL creatures.
Tell em they are fat and that is a spanking enough
I agree.
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Believe me... I've been a woman my WHOLE life.. I know that a spanking does not work.
Women are EMOTIONAL creatures.
Tell em they are fat and that is a spanking enough
I think, I hope, he was making a joke.
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I think, I hope, he was making a joke.
10$ says it was completely sexual.
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10$ says it was completely sexual.
That's what I thought.
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I really don't think Muman meant that as an insult.
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בס''ד
This does not represent what the attitude toward women was in the old days. White men were very respectful toward women. A (white) man striking a woman was considered to be cowardly and disgusting behavior.
Blacks were always extremely violent toward women. But this was an overwhelming white country with a dominant white culture. In the old days, men never dared to sing about raping, beating and murdering women as "rap" vermin do today.
This newspaper is a sick rag and the men interviewed are pieces of garbage. But this in no way represents the dominant culture of 40, 50 or 60 years ago.
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בס''ד
This does not represent what the attitude toward women was in the old days. White men were very respectful toward women. A (white) man striking a woman was considered to be cowardly and disgusting behavior.
Blacks were always extremely violent toward women. But this was an overwhelming white country with a dominant white culture. In the old days, men never dared to sing about raping, beating and murdering women as "rap" vermin do today.
This newspaper is a sick rag and the men interviewed are pieces of garbage. But this in no way represents the dominant culture of 40, 50 or 60 years ago.
I believe your words are true. I wasn't even a loud to curse in front of a woman, and a woman should be put on a pedestal.
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Believe me... I've been a woman my WHOLE life.. I know that a spanking does not work.
Women are EMOTIONAL creatures.
Tell em they are fat and that is a spanking enough
I think calling a women fat is something realy unrespectfull. I was joking a little bit about this spanking post to be honest ;D
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בס''ד
This does not represent what the attitude toward women was in the old days. White men were very respectful toward women. A (white) man striking a woman was considered to be cowardly and disgusting behavior.
Blacks were always extremely violent toward women. But this was an overwhelming white country with a dominant white culture. In the old days, men never dared to sing about raping, beating and murdering women as "rap" vermin do today.
This newspaper is a sick rag and the men interviewed are pieces of garbage. But this in no way represents the dominant culture of 40, 50 or 60 years ago.
Glad someone said it.
It's the same as today; read other worthless magazines and you'll find out that everyone in America is a racist now.