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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-24442953
EDL leader Tommy Robinson quits group
English Defence League leader and founder Tommy Robinson has left the group, saying he has concerns over the "dangers of far-right extremism".
The EDL organises protests across the UK against "radical Islam".
Mr Robinson said it was still his aim to "counter Islamist ideology", although "not with violence but with better, democratic ideas".
Several senior figures have quit, but an EDL spokesman said the group "will not die because they're walking away".
He added that supporters would spend the next few weeks discussing how to proceed.
'No longer productive'
The EDL, formed in 2009, has organised marches and demonstrations in several cities across the UK, which have seen sometimes violent confrontations with anti-fascism campaigners.
Mr Robinson's co-leader, Kevin Carroll, has also opted to leave.
Their decision follows discussions with the Quilliam group, which describes itself as a "counter-extremism think tank".
Mr Robinson said: "I have been considering this move for a long time because I recognise that, though street demonstrations have brought us to this point, they are no longer productive.
"I acknowledge the dangers of far-right extremism and the ongoing need to counter Islamist ideology not with violence but with better, democratic ideas."
He explained his motives for leaving, telling BBC Radio 5 live's Nicky Campbell: "When some moron lifts up his top and he's got the picture of a mosque saying 'boom' and it's all over the national newspapers, it's me, it's when I pick up my kids from school the parents are looking at me, judging me on that.
"And that's not what I've stood for and my decision to do this is to be true to what I stand for. And whilst I want to lead the revolution against Islamist ideology, I don't want to lead the revolution against Muslims.
"I believe that the revolution needs to come from within the Islamic community and they need to stand up. And I believe this is a step forward not a step back."
Mr Robinson also wrote on Twitter: "The most difficult day of my life! I thank EDL supporters for their messages of support. For me this is a step forwards not backwards."
Quilliam said it hoped Mr Robinson would "invest his energy and commitment in countering extremism of all kinds, supporting the efforts to bring along his former followers and encouraging his critique of Islamism as well as his concern with far-right extremism".
'Caution'
Chairman Maajid Nawaz said: "As well as being a very positive change for the United Kingdom, this is a very proud moment for Quilliam. This represents not a change but a continuation for us, as challenging extremism of all kinds forms the basis of our work.
"We have been able to show that Britain stands together against extremism regardless of political views and hope to continue supporting Tommy and Kevin in their journey to counter Islamism and neo-Nazi extremism."
Mr Robinson and Mr Carroll are due to face trial later this month, charged with obstructing police officers near the scene of the killing of soldier Lee Rigby.
The men allegedly tried to defy a ban on marching to the scene in Woolwich, south-east London, via a major mosque, on 29 June.
Mohammed Shafiq, chief executive of the Muslim youth organisation the Ramadhan Foundation, said: "I met Tommy Robinson last week and during that meeting he indicated that he was leaving the EDL because he couldn't control the extremist group, impact on his family and wider legal cases he faces.
"At no stage did he reject his previous disgusting attacks on Islam and Muslims or apologise to the British people for the millions wasted policing their protests.
"I cannot take Tommy Robinson or Kevin Carroll's announcement seriously until they reject their fascist views on Islam and Muslims and would caution other organisations celebrating this announcement as a massive personal achievement."
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Pamela Geller and that other guy now also 'broke' with the edl:
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2013/10/tommy-robinson-kevin-carroll-pamela-geller-robert-spencer-breaking-with-edl.html
Tommy Robinson, Kevin Carroll, Pamela Geller, Robert Spencer Breaking with EDL
Tommy Robinson and Kevin Carroll are announcing their imminent departure from the English Defence League. This move has come after many months of deliberation and many years of constant efforts by Robinson and Carroll to prevent the EDL from being infiltrated and co-opted by racists, anti-Semites, fascists, neo-Nazis, and far-right elements. Increasingly, Robinson's time has been taking up with patrolling and policing EDL demos to keep out these infiltrators and far-right ideologues. He has decided, and my AFDI colleague Pamela Geller and I strongly endorse his decision, that his time is better spent working for the defense of England and human rights against Sharia and Islamization in different and more effective ways.
This has been a long time coming. Back on June 30, 2011, Pamela Geller wrote: that because of the "neo-fascists that had infiltrated the administration of the group," she was withdrawing her support from the EDL." In looking at the same evidence, I wrote, "I agree wholeheartedly." Tommy Robinson immediately issued a statement to SIOA, saying: "We repudiate any individual, group or writing that favors anti-Semitism, neofascism, and any race-based ideology. Any rogue elements within the EDL who go against our mission statement and our beliefs will be removed from the organization; we are determined to remain true to our mission. Anti-Semitism will not ever be tolerated within the EDL."
These statements drew the ire of some counter-jihad bloggers who apparently didn't mind the racists and anti-Semites within the EDL, and who addressed an Open Letter to Pamela Geller denouncing her and me for drawing back from the EDL. But a huge group of counter-jihad bloggers declared their support of our stand. When Robinson assured us that he was just as concerned about these elements as we were, and was working to root them out of the EDL, we continued to support the organization.
Now, over two years later, it is clear to all of us that the best way to proceed is to leave the EDL behind and move forward in new directions. This shows the utter mendacity and bankruptcy of the leftist and Islamic supremacist claim that our support of the EDL demonstrated that we ourselves were racists and fascists -- as if that weren't clear enough already. It also exposes the backstabbing and skullduggery of those in the counter-jihad movement who excoriated us for raising these entirely legitimate concerns. Our struggle in AFDI and SION, which continue to stand with Robinson and Carroll, is now and has always been for the freedom of speech, the freedom of conscience, and the equality of rights of all people before the law. We look forward to working with Robinson and Carroll in the future as we continue this great struggle for freedom.
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EDL leader Tommy Robinson QUITS and brands violent anti-Muslim supporters 'morons'
THE two leaders of the English Defence League are to end their involvement with the far right group after accepting it has been taken over by neo-Nazis.
The counter-extremism think tank Quilliam has brokered the move with Tommy Robinson and his right hand man Kevin Carroll.
Today the pair said they now wanted to resist all forms of extremism and Quilliam called for both radical Islamists and far-right supporters to follow their lead.
Tommy Robinson said: “I have been considering this move for a long time because I recognise that though street demonstrations have brought us to this point, they are no longer productive.
“I acknowledge the dangers of far right extremism and the ongoing need to counter Islamist ideology not with violence but with better, democratic ideas.”
Speaking on the BBC's 5 Live radio later, he said he was tired of being associated with "morons" who advocate violence against Muslims.
He said: "When some moron lifts up his top and has got a picture of a mosque saying boom and it's all over the national newspapers - it's me.
"It's when I pick up my kids from school the parents are looking at me, judging me on that.
"That's not what I stood for. My decision is to be true to what I stand for and whilst I want to lead a revolution against Islamist ideology I don't want to lead a revolution against Muslims.
"I believe the revolution needs to come from within the Islamic community and they need to stand up and I believe this is a step forward not a step back."
Quilliam, led by former Hizb ut-Tahrir radical and respected adviser on Islamism, Maajid Nawaz, has been negotiating with the two men saying it sees this as a “more mature way” to counter all forms of extremism.
It says there is a “symbiotic relationship between far-right extremism and Islamism” and that by “dismantling the underpinnings of one phenomenon” it can “remove the need for the other”.
It now wants the former leaders to urge followers to “in his footsteps” and resist all forms of extremism.
Likewise, the foundation also calls on Islamist extremist leaders “to follow this example and leave their respective groups”.
It said it was willing to act as a conduit in negotiations.
Mr Nawaz said: “As well as being a very positive change for the United Kingdom, this is a very proud moment for Quilliam.
“This represents not a change but a continuation for us, as challenging extremism of all kinds forms the basis of our work.
“We have been able to show that Britain stands together against extremism regardless of political views and hope to continue supporting Tommy and Kevin in their journey to counter Islamism and neo-Nazi extremism.”
The EDL recently marched to Tower Hamlets in east London but were deterred from entering the borough by police and local residents.
Their marches are often characterized by violent threats and drunken clashes with police and followers of hate preacher Anjem Choudary.
The announcement from Robinson, who has a string of criminal convictions, was met with a mixed reaction by anti-EDL campaign groups.
Some believe it is merely a "tactical retreat" and that the Quilliam Foundation is taking a large risk by associationhg itself with him.
The Reverend Alan Green chairs the Tower Hamlets Inter Faith Forum, which has been at the forefront of organising protests against the EDL's marches in the borough.
Its members include the large East London Mosque, which has been a frequent target of Robinson's speeches.
Mr Green said today that while he welcomed Robinson's decision he wanted to know more about “what is going on”.
He said: “On the face of it, it seems a real victory for places like Tower Hamlets for the way we have represented our diverse communities in the face of what amounted to extremism with a covering of respectability.
“If that extremism has now been stripped away, then that’s a really good victory for us.
“He now needs to show he is clearly separating himself from not only the violence of the extreme members of the EDL but also from the level of rhetoric that he himself has espoused.
“If he is learning that you can’t just accuse all Muslims of the extremism that he has accused them of, then that’s a real step forward.
“It’s not just bout physical violence, it’s about physical abuse as well.
Asked if he and the East London Mosque would meet Robinson as part of the Inter Faith Forum, he said: “There could be a time when we could do that, but I would want to see far more progress from him than just the statement today.
"As a Christian minister, I’m always happy to meet anyone but I would not want to fragment the unity we have here in Tower Hamlets, so we’d need to see further steps first.”
Hope Not Hate, which is partly run by reformed National Front activist and leading anti-fascist campaigner Matthew Collins, also said it was "cautiously optimistic".
Its director Nick Lowles added: "We celebrate Quilliam’s efforts here, but only a complete renunciation of the violence and hatred the EDL leaders have promoted, and a turning away from the anti-Muslim rhetoric they have championed, will be enough for the many thousands who have suffered from the EDL’s ugly actions over the past three years.
"EDL supporters have called for mosques to be burned, holy books to be destroyed, Muslims to be deported.
"They have cost us £10million in policing bills, brought disorder to our streets, and many, many more have been sentenced for acts of violence, gun possession, paedophilia and other crimes.
"To claim they represented working class Britons was laughable: Hope Not Hate and others have worked closely with unions, faith groups and the real working class of Britain to oppose the blind hatred and violence promoted via the EDL and its counter-jihadist backers.
"What happens now to those wealthy individuals who have backed the EDL leaders to the hilt?
"We doubt they, or Lennon/Carroll, will disappear so quickly from the scene. “Merely setting up a new party or anti-Muslim organisation will not be enough to convince anti-hate campaigners, and those interested in democratic government, that Lennon and Carroll have truly renounced their ways.
"We hope they have. Well done to Quilliam but many questions still remain.”
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/435209/EDL-leader-Tommy-Robinson-QUITS-and-brands-violent-anti-Muslim-supporters-morons
What a poof.
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That little, older English Gentleman you had photos with didn't he star a party? I think his first name was Paul
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That little, older English Gentleman you had photos with didn't he star a party? I think his first name was Paul
Paul Weston started Liberty GB. I like him.
http://libertygb.org.uk/v1/
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Paul Weston started Liberty GB. I like him.
http://libertygb.org.uk/v1/
Yes that's his name
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I know what Tommy is trying to do and it's pretty smart. He's trying to join up with the Quilliam foundation, which is a respected anti-Islamist group. He's trying to make himself more mainstream so he can get into politics
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http://www.blackhistorymonth.org.uk/ ...
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I know what Tommy is trying to do and it's pretty smart. He's trying to join up with the Quilliam foundation, which is a respected anti-Islamist group. He's trying to make himself more mainstream so he can get into politics
http://www.quilliamfoundation.org/press-releases/press-release-quilliam-foundation-calls-for-uk-government-to-pressure-israel-to-stop-military-operations/
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Tommy Robinson is a phony cowardly fraud.
Roberta Moore was the best and most talented leader the EDL ever had. When the EDL betrayed her, they proved that they are just a bunch of Nazi Jew-hating opportunists.
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Paul Ray is the founder of the EDL, not Tommy. Time for real leadership!
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I know what Tommy is trying to do and it's pretty smart. He's trying to join up with the Quilliam foundation, which is a respected anti-Islamist group. He's trying to make himself more mainstream so he can get into politics
He already went in politics with British Freedom. He quit after a few months...
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Paul Ray isn't anti Israel he's pro Israel and Pro Jewish http://www.lionheartuk.blogspot.com/
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Tommy Robinson is a phony cowardly fraud.
Roberta Moore was the best and most talented leader the EDL ever had. When the EDL betrayed her, they proved that they are just a bunch of Nazi Jew-hating opportunists.
I think it is a disgrace to call the EDL nazi's. On the last EDL demo we had 7000 people. This people are English patriots. Ive been there a lot of times and i only saw someone with a nazi skull one time and we removed him directly. I never met any nazi's before all the time ive went with the EDL.
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Tommy Robinson is a phony cowardly fraud.
Roberta Moore was the best and most talented leader the EDL ever had. When the EDL betrayed her, they proved that they are just a bunch of Nazi Jew-hating opportunists.
I know Roberta is a realy good leader, but i do not blame the whole EDL for that.
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Paul Ray isn't anti Israel he's pro Israel and Pro Jewish http://www.lionheartuk.blogspot.com/
Paul Ray is a good guy and a friend of Israel for sure.
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The quillan foundation is a bunch of qurananimals http://www.quilliamfoundation.org/
Their decision follows discussions with the Quilliam group, which describes itself as a "counter-extremism think tank".
Nice work Tommy ehh i mean Stephen >:( >:(
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Tommy Robinson is a phony cowardly fraud.
Roberta Moore was the best and most talented leader the EDL ever had. When the EDL betrayed her, they proved that they are just a bunch of Nazi Jew-hating opportunists.
Epic.
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I get what you're saying though, and people who want to survive and not get brutalized in one of many traditional pisslamic ways, basically like all of Serbia was, are going to be attracted to the group and join it. Tommy the drug dealer was just using the EDL as a cover and clearly now a payout. Clearly, other people are using it for their own purposes too.
If there is going to be a new "face" of the organization, what does that person have to say for the EDL now?
Not that I think it matters. *
*It's good to fight against islam, but I have absolutely no faith whatsoever in the majority of English people to actually elect a government that's going to do anything more to stop pisslam then interfaith discussions. People should buy guns and find somewhere safe.
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Tommy Robinson is a phony cowardly fraud.
Roberta Moore was the best and most talented leader the EDL ever had. When the EDL betrayed her, they proved that they are just a bunch of Nazi Jew-hating opportunists.
What happened regarding her and EDL?
From the first article in this thread and robinson's comments, it's clear this is about one thing: FEAR
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Illegal possession of a gun will get you 5 years in prison in england, far more than a rapist would get.
It might have been the case that the police threatened tommy with years of jail while he was in solitary confinement.
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He
CAVED.
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I think England may be well and truly finished now, the EDL was pretty much worthless after they threw out Roberta Moore, but now there is pretty much no outlet for anyone who wants to fight the Islamiztion of their country except the Nazis.
The Quilliam Foundation is one of those government funded but supposedly independent organizations that are very common in Europe. Basically they exist when the government wants something done but wants it to come from a source besides Downing street.
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So why did people on the forum ridicule me? when I wrote that Tommy Robinson was not a Zionist, but a Jew hater.
Tommy Robinson had my Twitter account suspended for several days after I tweeted him a pro-Jewish anti-Muslim message.
Tommy Robinson was a member of the BNP (British Nazi Party) led by Nick Griffin, which denies the Holocaust.
It is so clear that Tommy Robinson was just seeking publicity, fame and fortune from being in the public spotlight in the media, but he has had been a Nazi sympathizer for many years.
Tommy Robinson also allowed 3 or 4 Muslim Jew-hating animals to attend his wedding, his alliance lies with Nazis and Muslims, he has never been a true Zionist or lover of the Jewish people.
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So why did people on the forum ridicule me? when I wrote that Tommy Robinson was not a Zionist, but a Jew hater.
That was one persons opinion.
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I think England may be well and truly finished now, the EDL was pretty much worthless after they threw out Roberta Moore, but now there is pretty much no outlet for anyone who wants to fight the Islamiztion of their country except the Nazis.
The Quilliam Foundation is one of those government funded but supposedly independent organizations that are very common in Europe. Basically they exist when the government wants something done but wants it to come from a source besides Downing street.
They threw out Roberta Moore? Why?
I guess I've been living under a rock. Edl was britain's only hope. Oh well maybe roberta moore could do some activism in israel and save Jews instead while britain burns...
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So why did people on the forum ridicule me? when I wrote that Tommy Robinson was not a Zionist, but a Jew hater.
Tommy Robinson had my Twitter account suspended for several days after I tweeted him a pro-Jewish anti-Muslim message.
Tommy Robinson was a member of the BNP (British Nazi Party) led by Nick Griffin, which denies the Holocaust.
It is so clear that Tommy Robinson was just seeking publicity, fame and fortune from being in the public spotlight in the media, but he has had been a Nazi sympathizer for many years.
Tommy Robinson also allowed 3 or 4 Muslim Jew-hating animals to attend his wedding, his alliance lies with Nazis and Muslims, he has never been a true Zionist or lover of the Jewish people.
We're all individuals here. Whoever ridiculed you was wrong to do so (even if you were factually incorrect how dare he ridicule you?) And now we know your message was the correct one so they were also mistaken in their view in addition to unjustly ridiculing you. (Man, I hope it wasn't me).
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So why did people on the forum ridicule me? when I wrote that Tommy Robinson was not a Zionist, but a Jew hater.
Tommy Robinson had my Twitter account suspended for several days after I tweeted him a pro-Jewish anti-Muslim message.
Tommy Robinson was a member of the BNP (British Nazi Party) led by Nick Griffin, which denies the Holocaust.
It is so clear that Tommy Robinson was just seeking publicity, fame and fortune from being in the public spotlight in the media, but he has had been a Nazi sympathizer for many years.
Tommy Robinson also allowed 3 or 4 Muslim Jew-hating animals to attend his wedding, his alliance lies with Nazis and Muslims, he has never been a true Zionist or lover of the Jewish people.
Should have talked to me rabbi (?). I never trusted Tommy the drug dealer, and I honestly didn't think England stood any chance of survival, due to their lack of interest in it.
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So why did people on the forum ridicule me? when I wrote that Tommy Robinson was not a Zionist, but a Jew hater.
Tommy Robinson had my Twitter account suspended for several days after I tweeted him a pro-Jewish anti-Muslim message.
Tommy Robinson was a member of the BNP (British Nazi Party) led by Nick Griffin, which denies the Holocaust.
It is so clear that Tommy Robinson was just seeking publicity, fame and fortune from being in the public spotlight in the media, but he has had been a Nazi sympathizer for many years.
Tommy Robinson also allowed 3 or 4 Muslim Jew-hating animals to attend his wedding, his alliance lies with Nazis and Muslims, he has never been a true Zionist or lover of the Jewish people.
Oooh pleeeease... Same old [censored]. Nazi nazi nazi, jew hater jew hater, anti zionist... Everyone that not believe excactly what you believe is a nazi. He joined the BNP because the BNP was the only solution for mass immigration but he left them quick after cause of the racist views. Please grow up... He always worked together with Jews and Zionists from The USA and in other country's. And please, why should a English men care about zionists and Jews first? A few old muslim friends of him went there because they knew eachother there whole lifes. I do not support Tommy but you are a filthy Nazi in my eyes for smearing people like that!!!! So i am a nazi as i joined the EDL years ago? I joined it not becaus i love Tommy but because the EDL did a good job. You only care about yourself and dont give a [censored] about others.
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Oooh pleeeease... Same old [censored]. Nazi nazi nazi, jew hater jew hater, anti zionist... Everyone that not believe excactly what you believe is a nazi. He joined the BNP because the BNP was the only solution for mass immigration but he left them quick after cause of the racist views.
He joined them. But he left them quick (sic). Lololol. And you claim he left BECAUSE of their racist views. They had the same views when he joined. Many of us made a mistake believing this fraud and his delusional supporters.
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We're all individuals here. Whoever ridiculed you was wrong to do so (even if you were factually incorrect how dare he ridicule you?) And now we know your message was the correct one so they were also mistaken in their view in addition to unjustly ridiculing you. (Man, I hope it wasn't me).
No, this is what happened...
https://jtf.org/forum/index.php/topic,69505.msg595143.html#msg595143
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He joined them. But he left them quick (sic). Lololol. And you claim he left BECAUSE of. Their. racist views. They had the same views when he joined. Many of us made a mistake believing this fraud and his delusional supporters.
You don't know where you talkig about. How many times have you been to the EDL meetings and demo's?
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So why did people on the forum ridicule me? when I wrote that Tommy Robinson was not a Zionist, but a Jew hater.
Tommy Robinson had my Twitter account suspended for several days after I tweeted him a pro-Jewish anti-Muslim message.
Tommy Robinson was a member of the BNP (British Nazi Party) led by Nick Griffin, which denies the Holocaust.
It is so clear that Tommy Robinson was just seeking publicity, fame and fortune from being in the public spotlight in the media, but he has had been a Nazi sympathizer for many years.
Tommy Robinson also allowed 3 or 4 Muslim Jew-hating animals to attend his wedding, his alliance lies with Nazis and Muslims, he has never been a true Zionist or lover of the Jewish people.
BNP stands for British National Party by the way. Why do you love the word 'nazi' so much? Oh wait i see... When someone's not agree with you or you lose a discussion you just call him a nazi as argument? Thats clever
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BNP stands for British National Party by the way. Why do you love the word 'nazi' so much? Oh wait i see... When someone's not agree with you or you lose a discussion you just call him a nazi as argument? Thats clever
The BNP repeats and believes Nazi propaganda about Jews, for accuracy's sake. Many of the BNP members espouse Nazi-style Jew hatred. Calling them Nazis is short-hand.
And for the EDL, I completely understand that you'd take offense at them being called Nazis. Tommy was pretty much, so I don't understand why you're defending him, but if anyone says that the EDL is a Nazi organization, they're wrong.
As for Roberta Moore, her story shows that something is wrong. Would we kick you or a Hindu out for being another nationality/religion? Why does a counter-jihad movement push someone out who's counter-jihad? It's a fact that there are Jew-haters in the EDL, and while it's great B"H that you're not one of them, and that many aren't, they do wield a considerable amount of influence in it.
Do I wish EDL would succeed? Of course. However in Jewish tradition, people get kicked out of a G-dly army for insignificant sins that they could just fix later, because (more than just this) you want to make sure G-d is fighting with you. Unless everyone in the EDL hates Jews, they're divided against themselves, and all I have to say is identify the enemy, and put your will to survive above your petty conspiracies and ignorant prejudices. Serbia did it, and would have been fine if not for us, but they continue to survive. Finally, take everything that you hear from the EDL with a grain of salt. They're still highly politically correct based on the statements I hear, and I never trust people themselves or to accomplish much who water down their message to win.
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Here is a photo of Tommy expressing his patriotism and rejecting extremism:
(http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/.a/6a00d8341c60bf53ef019afff1e67d970c-700wi)
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Does his shirt say" One Islam Marina"? :::D
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Does his shirt say" One Islam Marina"? :::D
Wooooow.... Haha if you don't know the brand called 'Stone Island' you will believe it says One Islam Marina lol
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Here is a photo of Tommy expressing his patriotism and rejecting extremism:
(http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/.a/6a00d8341c60bf53ef019afff1e67d970c-700wi)
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They had a campaign together after the Woolwich attack to fight Islamic extremism? You rather see this muslim together with some Islamic extremist? In your eyes, what should muslims need to do after a attack like the one in Woolwich? Support the EDL or support the extremists who did this? I think i know what you like to see.
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Well, Tommy is acting like a complete idiot:
http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2013/oct/11/edl-tommy-robinson-sorry-fear-muslims
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Tommy Robinson is attacked just a few hours ago:
http://www.lutontoday.co.uk/news/crime/former-edl-leader-attacked-in-luton-while-filming-documentary-1-5578717
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I vote Roberta Moore and Robert Bartholomew for the new leaders of the EDL! Everyone agree? Good! It was a unanimous vote, your new leaders... Roberta and Robert! :clap: :fireworks:
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I vote Roberta Moore and Robert Bartholomew for the new leaders of the EDL! Everyone agree? Good! It was a unanimous vote, your new leaders... Roberta and Robert! :clap: :fireworks:
I think the people should choche a new leadership. Paul Ray is the founder of the EDL and i think he will be the perfect leader.
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Ray Davies of the Kinks was a prophet
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HSUbn9qE8iY
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Ray Davies of the Kinks was a prophet
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HSUbn9qE8iY
What has this to do with the topic? By the way, the song sucks!
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You don't know where you talkig about. How many times have you been to the EDL meetings and demo's?
The fact that you went to their meetings and demo's just shows that you are biased and have a soft spot for Tommy boy. It doesn't say anything about my ability to comment on this subject.
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What has this to do with the topic? By the way, the song sucks!
BNP are holocaust deniers and spout nazi propaganda against Jews. Therefore they are nazis. Simple equation even a simple mind like yours should grasp.
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BNP are holocaust deniers and spout nazi propaganda against Jews. Therefore they are nazis. Simple equation even a simple mind like yours should grasp.
The BNP is changed through the years. The BNP has a lot of Jewish members now these days.
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The BNP is changed through the years. The BNP has a lot of Jewish members now these days.
You can find self hating kikes in any and every Jew-hating establishment that accepts them.
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The BNP prohibited its members from being part of edl, mainly because the edl was 'zionist'.
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The BNP is changed through the years. The BNP has a lot of Jewish members now these days.
Wrong.
You simply make excuses for nazis. Why is that? You're associated with BNP yourself and don't want to be made to feel guilty by self-respecting Jewish people at this site?
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Tommy Robinson is a phony cowardly fraud.
Roberta Moore was the best and most talented leader the EDL ever had. When the EDL betrayed her, they proved that they are just a bunch of Nazi Jew-hating opportunists.
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While I agree with your points most of the time, Chaim, I have to disagree with you on EDL. EDL are not Nazis. I know that some keyboard warrior wrote negative stuff about JTF and you in particular, and I don't condone that. But, I'm pretty sure that keyboard warrior was not the main voice for EDL. I was searching through EDL forums and did not find anything about JTF at all.
I am familiar with the fact that some BNP members have been attending EDL rallies, and I know that BNP is a Nazi group whose leader Nick Griffin ys'v supported Muammar Gaddafi and Louis Farrakhan among others. Now, I do condemn their alliance if such an alliance was made to begin with. But, you should also keep in mind that BNP officially denounced EDL as "zionists" who supposedly want to create a backlash between Christians and Muslims.
Here is what Nick Griffin has to say about EDL:
http://www.hopenothate.org.uk/blog/article/520/bnp-blame-zionists-for-edl
I don't think EDL officially embraced BNP. But, if they did, than I condemn it.
EDL officially supports Israel. They also invited Rabbi Nachum Shifren to speak at one of their rallies.
I don't think they're Nazis. Let's not follow everything that unmarried hack Debbie Schlussel says (even though 75% of what she writes is garbage).
(http://static0.demotix.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/a_scale_large/400-4/photos/1287975932-edl-demonstrate-support-for-israel-at-speakers-corner_485704.jpg)
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This is kind of off topic, but does anyone know what Roberta Moore is up to now?
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This is kind of off topic, but does anyone know what Roberta Moore is up to now?
I actually have been wondering the same thing for a while...
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Wrong.
You simply make excuses for nazis. Why is that? You're associated with BNP yourself and don't want to be made to feel guilty by self-respecting Jewish people at this site?
Well, if i was a nazi i should not alow Jews into my organisation. In Holland we have a party like this. They do not alow Jews or colourt people. The BNP does now this days unlike years ago.
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This is kind of off topic, but does anyone know what Roberta Moore is up to now?
I havent spoke her for a while but i gues she's busy with the JDL-UK.
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EDL is a Nazi movement.
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EDL is a Nazi movement.
Well, [censored] you my friend! Typical nazi behaviour... Blaming everyone for nazism. How many people did you met within the EDL?
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Well, [censored] you my friend! Typical nazi behaviour... Blaming everyone for nazism. How many people did you met within the EDL?
... I'm pretty sure nazi behavior has a different definition... regardless, your comment about there being non-nazis in the EDL proves nothing. I can say 99.99999999999999...% sure as a fact that the EDL is not a Nazi organization, but as the saying goes, "don't raise your voice, improve your argument". Why would you argue that the EDL is not a Nazi organization (as stupid as the question may sound).
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... I'm pretty sure nazi behavior has a different definition... regardless, your comment about there being non-nazis in the EDL proves nothing. I can say 99.99999999999999...% sure as a fact that the EDL is not a Nazi organization, but as the saying goes, "don't raise your voice, improve your argument". Why would you argue that the EDL is not a Nazi organization (as stupid as the question may sound).
Because this people are English patriots and they hate nazi's. Yes, some of them have a nazi past and so. Had i. I told this when i introduced myself july 2012. People deserve a second change specially when they are fighting for the good cause now. Some people on this forum dont know what a nazi is and like to smear all kind of people with this name. Well, my awnser is clear. Proof that the EDL is a nazi organisation. I dont need to tell why the EDL is not a nazi organisation because iam not the one that blaming people.
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You know that many of these 'nazis' maybe Agent Provocateurs' the police hired to make the EDL look bad it's done often.I know in the U.S. they say at any Klan gathering half the people there are FBI agents. For another example take C18
Searchlight, Red Action, and other commentators on both the left and right, including journalist Larry O'Hara, have speculated that C18 was created by the British internal security service MI5 to discredit the BNP while acting as a honey trap, or sting operation, designed to attract the most violent neo-Nazis in the UK into a single organization, where they could be monitored more easily. Some commentators also suggest that it was used by MI5 to infiltrate Loyalist paramilitary groups in Northern Ireland.
In 1998, the leader of C18, Charlie Sargent, an alleged Special Branch informant, was sentenced to life imprisonment for the 1997 murder of another member of the group so you see many of the supposed 'Nazis in the EDL may very well be agents of the left or the Police
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Nick Griffin of BNP blames Zionists for war in Syria
https://twitter.com/intent/retweet?tweet_id=388768298709811200&original_referer=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.bnp.org.uk%2F&profile_id=94336415&tw_i=388768298709811200&tw_p=embeddedtimeline&tw_w=347343731839602689
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Nick Griffin went to Azerbaijan (which is a muslim country) to "monitor elections". Why the hell would he need muslim monitors?
https://twitter.com/nickgriffinmep/status/387627774137339904
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Mentalita you claim BNP is not a nazi org. You therefore have zero credibility.
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So if the EDL is *not* an anti-semitic organization, then why do you think Roberta Moore left? Why have Robert Spencer and Pamela Geller distanced themselves from the group?
Instead of arguing with people here, why not give examples of why EDL is *not* a group of Jew haters.
By the way, I don't think the white supremacist types have problem with Muslims in Europe. Based on my online run-ins with these types in the past, I can tell you with certainty, that these people would love to see Europe overrun with Muslims if it means these new comers will do their Jew hating dirty work for them.
In fact, I had one individual tell me that he was going to vote for Obama precisely because of his anti-Israel record.
Furthermore, I've read on other blogs that the editors of that Buchananite rag "The American Conservative" were open about supporting Obama, since they believed it would be bad for Israel and the Jews.
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Because this people are English patriots and they hate nazi's. Yes, some of them have a nazi past and so. Had i. I told this when i introduced myself july 2012. People deserve a second change specially when they are fighting for the good cause now. Some people on this forum dont know what a nazi is and like to smear all kind of people with this name. Well, my awnser is clear. Proof that the EDL is a nazi organisation. I dont need to tell why the EDL is not a nazi organisation because iam not the one that blaming people.
You usually forgive people after they apologize. I have respect for you, not the British Nazi Party. I know what Nazis are as well.
Your answer about the EDL is fair, since my question wasn't.
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Mentalita you claim BNP is not a nazi org. You therefore have zero credibility.
I just went through there website. I cannot find the 25-points of the NSDAP just like the National Socialist Movement in America has....
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I just went through there website. I cannot find the 25-points of the NSDAP just like the National Socialist Movement in America has....
That's because they don't want to publicly admit it. There is more than one sign. Blaming Jews for every ill in history is a big one.
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I just went through there website. I cannot find the 25-points of the NSDAP just like the National Socialist Movement in America has....
Why do you defend nazis?
Perhaps you are one yourself? You're a member of BNP? If so, you're a nazi.
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Why do you defend nazis?
Perhaps you are one yourself? You're a member of BNP? If so, you're a nazi.
No my friend, i'am not a National Socialist and i'am Dutch so i'am not a member of the BNP. I live in Holland.