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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: Matthias Corvinus on July 27, 2007, 12:44:17 PM
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SPREAD THE WORD, ESPECIALLY ABOUT THE INFANTICIDE PART. Pennsylvania and New York have a lot of electoral votes, and a lot of pro-life Catholics. This will demolish Obama's chances in both states once it gets around. Even most pro-choice people draw the line at killing live babies, which is what Obama seems to advocate. Come to think of it, didn't Hitler get started on "defective infants" before proceeding to Jews, Poles, Gypsies, and so on?
<a href="http://www.opinionjournal.com/extra/?id=110010382">"It Didn't Happen:" Democrats go soft on crimes against humanity</a>
<blockquote>Barack Obama's latest pronouncement on Iraq should have shocked the conscience. In an interview with the Associated Press last week, the freshman Illinois senator and Democratic presidential candidate opined that <strong>even preventing genocide is not a sufficient reason to keep American troops in Iraq.</strong>
<blockquote>"Well, look, if that's the criteria by which we are making decisions on the deployment of U.S. forces, then by that argument you would have 300,000 troops in the Congo right now--where millions have been slaughtered as a consequence of ethnic strife--which we haven't done," Mr. Obama told the AP. "We would be deploying unilaterally and occupying the Sudan, which we haven't done. Those of us who care about Darfur don't think it would be a good idea."
Mr. Obama is engaging in sophistry. By his logic, if America lacks the capacity to intervene everywhere there is ethnic killing, it has no obligation to intervene anywhere--and perhaps an obligation to intervene nowhere. His reasoning elevates consistency into the cardinal virtue, making the perfect the enemy of the good.
<strong>Further, he elides the distinction between an act of omission (refraining from intervention in Congo and Darfur) and an act of commission (withdrawing from Iraq). The implication is that although the U.S. has had a military presence in Iraq since 1991, the fate of Iraqis is not America's problem.</strong></blockquote>
Taranto adds,
<blockquote>One may take the position that genocide would not be the likely result of an American retreat from Iraq. That is the view of Mr. Obama's Massachusetts colleague John Kerry, the 2004 presidential nominee. Mr. Kerry, who served in Vietnam before turning against that war, voted for the Iraq war before turning against it. He draws on the Vietnam experience in making the case that the outcome of a U.S. pullout from Iraq would not be that bad. <strong>"We heard that argument over and over again about the bloodbath that would engulf the entire Southeast Asia, and it didn't happen," he said recently.</strong>
...According to a 2001 investigation by the Orange County Register, Hanoi's communist regime imprisoned a million Vietnamese without charge in "re-education" camps, where an estimated 165,000 perished. "Thousands were abused or tortured: their hands and legs shackled in painful positions for months, their skin slashed by bamboo canes studded with thorns, their veins injected with poisonous chemicals, their spirits broken with stories about relatives being killed," the Register reported.</blockquote>
Obama, while an Illinois State Senator, <a href="http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=53694">orchestrated the defeat of the Illinois' Born Alive Infants Protection Act</a>. This legislation would have provided legal protection for infants that were born alive, including those delivered as the result of botched abortions. (See also <a href="http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=34900">"When a crying baby is not 'alive'"</a> by Jill Stanek.)
<blockquote>Here is what Obama said when arguing against Illinois' Born Alive Infants Protection Act during Senate floor debate. This was legislation clarifying the terms "person," "human being," "child," and "individual" in Illinois statutes included any baby born alive, no matter what gestational age or circumstance of birth:
"… I just want to suggest… that this is probably not going to survive constitutional scrutiny."
"Number one, whenever we define a pre-viable fetus as a person that is protected by the equal protection clause or the other elements in the Constitution, what we're really saying is, in fact, that they are persons that are entitled to the kinds of protections that would be provided to a – child, a 9-month-old – child that was delivered to term. That determination then, essentially, if it was accepted by a court, would forbid abortions to take place."
"I mean, it – it would essentially bar abortions, because the equal protection clause does not allow somebody to kill a child, and if this is a child, then this would be an anti-abortion statute. For that purpose, I think it would probably be found unconstitutional."
Incredible stuff. Not only did Obama make no sense, he showed just how far he would go to safeguard abortion. </blockquote>
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Barak Obama is a mob-pandering fraud of a sophist. Anyone who runs for higher office before the ink is dry on his name plate in the Senate should be recognized as such.
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I can't handle being lectured about morallity by a baboon like Obummer.
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Mr. Obama does not support the killing of infants. Mr. Obama is worried about the Constitutional Rights that abortion bans pose. Your own quote even says so: "… I just want to suggest… that this is probably not going to survive constitutional scrutiny."
Next, your sources are questionable. Any source that is derived from something with the word "opinion" in the title (www.opinionjournal.com) should be seriously questioned as a credible source.
Third, you say that Obama didn't make "no sense", but, earlier in your post, you say the following: "His reasoning elevates consistency into the cardinal virtue, making the perfect the enemy of the good." Is that even a complete sentence? Is that even English?
Before criticizing the statements of others, you should scrutinize your own.
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Mr. Obama does not support the killing of infants. Mr. Obama is worried about the Constitutional Rights that abortion bans pose. Your own quote even says so: "… I just want to suggest… that this is probably not going to survive constitutional scrutiny."
Next, your sources are questionable. Any source that is derived from something with the word "opinion" in the title (www.opinionjournal.com) should be seriously questioned as a credible source.
Third, you say that Obama didn't make "no sense", but, earlier in your post, you say the following: "His reasoning elevates consistency into the cardinal virtue, making the perfect the enemy of the good." Is that even a complete sentence? Is that even English?
Before criticizing the statements of others, you should scrutinize your own.
Why did you even come on this forum?? It's obvious you have another agenda... Is you got a 'CRUSH on Obama=Osama ?!
I think you best find another hobby...
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Obama is a Jew-hating, white-hating muslim animal. Anyone who thinks otherwise is deluded.
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Deluded? In my opinion, the best way to get to know someone is to read what they've written and to listen to what they've said. I suggest you find some information about Obama from a credible source before sharing your ideas about him.
Why have I come on this forum? I have come on this forum because I love this country and care deeply about its future. I do not have a "crush" on Obama. I have read his stance on most political issues, and I believe that he is the most qualified person running in the Presidential Election in 2008.
A mere "hobby"? This is not a hobby. This is a fight for my country's future.
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Deluded? In my opinion, the best way to get to know someone is to read what they've written and to listen to what they've said. I suggest you find some information about Obama from a credible source before sharing your ideas about him.
Why have I come on this forum? I have come on this forum because I love this country and care deeply about its future. I do not have a "crush" on Obama. I have read his stance on most political issues, and I believe that he is the most qualified person running in the Presidential Election in 2008.
A mere "hobby"? This is not a hobby. This is a fight for my country's future.
You think a white-hating, Jew-hating, anti-constitution, black muslim-nazi is "best quallified"?
You're insane.
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I'll have you know that I am not black nor am I Muslim. I'm the sixth generation of my family to live in America. I love this country. I think that the Constitution is quite possibly one of the most influential and well-written documents to ever be constructed at the hands of man. I support Barack Obama.
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I'll have you know that I am not black nor am I Muslim. I'm the sixth generation of my family to live in America. I love this country. I think that the Constitution is quite possibly one of the most influential and well-written documents to ever be constructed at the hands of man. I support Barack Obama.
And he (like all democrats) is anti-constitution, so you're a fool.
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Mr. Obama does not support the killing of infants. Mr. Obama is worried about the Constitutional Rights that abortion bans pose. Your own quote even says so: "… I just want to suggest… that this is probably not going to survive constitutional scrutiny."
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If that is the case then Obama cannot read or is misconstruing the Constitution for his own Leftist agenda because there is no mention of abortion at all in the Constitution.
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However, if you've ever read the Constitution, there is mention of infringing on the rights of a citizen of this country.
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Mr. Obama does not support the killing of infants. Mr. Obama is worried about the Constitutional Rights that abortion bans pose. Your own quote even says so: "… I just want to suggest… that this is probably not going to survive constitutional scrutiny."
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If that is the case then Obama cannot read or is misconstruing the Constitution for his own Leftist agenda because there is no mention of abortion at all in the Constitution.
Not likening one for another but being a member of the KKK isn't in the Constitution either...look at how many boneheads have joined that gang? However the Constitution DOES state that "All men are created equal" though... many people bypass that and go straight to hate. On both sides.
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Mr. Obama does not support the killing of infants. Mr. Obama is worried about the Constitutional Rights that abortion bans pose. Your own quote even says so: "… I just want to suggest… that this is probably not going to survive constitutional scrutiny."
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If that is the case then Obama cannot read or is misconstruing the Constitution for his own Leftist agenda because there is no mention of abortion at all in the Constitution.
Not likening one for another but being a member of the KKK isn't in the Constitution either...look at how many boneheads have joined that gang? However the Constitution DOES state that "All men are created equal" though... many people bypass that and go straight to hate. On both sides.
All men ARE created equal. That means BORN equal. What they do after that is up to them.
Some choose NOT to remain equal by hanging out at the basket ball court, taking drugs and going on welfare.
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And some choose to not be equal by kicking helpless thousands out of their homes and trying to monopolize American media.
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And some choose to not be equal by kicking helpless thousands out of their homes and trying to monopolize American media.
???
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You know exactly what I'm referring to.
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You know exactly what I'm referring to.
Who's kicking people from their homes? The media is monopolised by liberals, who are you talking about?
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You know exactly what I'm referring to.
How long have you hate the Jews ?
Show your real colors.
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I hate no one. I only lack respect for those who show none.
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You are either a self hating Jew, a self hating Christian. Why did you join JTF ?
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You know exactly what I'm referring to.
Who's kicking people from their homes? The media is monopolised by liberals, who are you talking about?
Calm down, he's just throwing a curveball at you to throw you off.
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Deluded? In my opinion, the best way to get to know someone is to read what they've written and to listen to what they've said. I suggest you find some information about Obama from a credible source before sharing your ideas about him.
Why have I come on this forum? I have come on this forum because I love this country and care deeply about its future. I do not have a "crush" on Obama. I have read his stance on most political issues, and I believe that he is the most qualified person running in the Presidential Election in 2008.
A mere "hobby"? This is not a hobby. This is a fight for my country's future.
Anyone that can tell me that the hopes of America ride on the back of Obama is someone that really isn't all that bright when it comes to politics. The man speaks in generalities anytime he is pined on the issues he bombs out. He is basically clueless and whats worse even his advisor's are dumb. I am convinced that Obama is just oil for the rough waters that are rocking Hitlery's boat. After the primaries he will be swept aside like the used confetti that drops down in the convention hall.
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You know exactly what I'm referring to.
Who's kicking people from their homes? The media is monopolised by liberals, who are you talking about?
Calm down, he's just throwing a curveball at you to throw you off.
That was no "curveball". That was a fast ball right over the plate into the catcher's glove.
You are either a self hating Jew, a self hating Christian. Why did you join JTF ?
I joined JTF just to get a little "insight" as to how other people feel about the 2008 Presidential Election.
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And some choose to not be equal by kicking helpless thousands out of their homes and trying to monopolize American media.
Sounds like liberals
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You know exactly what I'm referring to.
Who's kicking people from their homes? The media is monopolised by liberals, who are you talking about?
Sounds like conservatives.
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You know exactly what I'm referring to.
Who's kicking people from their homes? The media is monopolised by liberals, who are you talking about?
Sounds like conservatives.
Help America you do realize the more you text, the more you will not be accepted ?
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You know exactly what I'm referring to.
Who's kicking people from their homes? The media is monopolised by liberals, who are you talking about?
Calm down, he's just throwing a curveball at you to throw you off.
That was no "curveball". That was a fast ball right over the plate into the catcher's glove.
Stop flattering yourself. Where do you get this idea that we support kicking people out of their homes, and having tight control of the media? You're just throwing that out there as a straw man, and we're not buying it.
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Last comment, must hug the grandchild.
THE MUJAHADIN WILL BE TOTALLY ERADICATED OFF THIS PLANET , and so will those that support them.
Have a great night.
Jeff
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I'll have you know that I am not black nor am I Muslim. I'm the sixth generation of my family to live in America. I love this country. I think that the Constitution is quite possibly one of the most influential and well-written documents to ever be constructed at the hands of man. I support Barack Obama.
I'm absolute amazed that this creature could have gotten as far as he has! Goes to show how incredibly dumb the American public really is!
OBAMA'S PASTOR, REV WRIGHT, TOLD THE NEW YORK TIMES in an interview published March "WHEN HIS (OBAMA) ENEMIES FIND OUT THAT IN 1984 HE WENT TO TRIPOLI WITH THE NATION OF ISLAM LEADERI Louis Farrakhan TO VISIT LIBYAN LEADER MOAMMAR GADHAFI,"a lot of HIS JEWISH SUPPORT WILL DRY UP quicker than a snowball in hell."
By THOMAS BEAUMONT
REGISTER STAFF WRITER
March 12, 2007
Muscatine, Ia. - Illinois Sen.
'NOBODY IS SUFFERING MORE THAN THE PALENTINIAN PEOPLE,' OBAMA SAID, while on the final leg of his weekend trip to eastern Iowa.
The Palestinian Authority is controlled by Hamas, a political party that does not recognize Israel's sovereignty and is listed by several countries - including the United States - as a terrorist organization. The United States and other nations imposed restrictions on aid when Hamas gained power last year.
http://www.desmoinesregister.com/apps/pbcs...D=2007703120330
THE HALAL FOOD ACT WAS SPONSORED BY BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMS. in August 2001.
"This law will give Muslims in Illinois confidence that the Halal food products they buy are indeed prepared according to Islamic law."'
"Senate Bill 750 was sponsored in by Senators Christine Radogno, R-La Grange, Laurence Walsh, D-Elwood, Barack Obama,..."
http://www.illinois.gov/PressReleases/Show...amp;RecNum=1517
Obama's pastor admits concerns over candidate's ties to Islam
Chad Groening
OneNewsNow.com
March 21, 2007
The head of a pro-Israel ministry is praising the PASTOR OF Democratic presidential candidate Barack OBAMA'SO church for ADMITTING HIS CONCERNS ABOUT the Illinois senator's (OBAMA's) ASSOCIATION WITH THE PALESTINIANS AND THE NATION OF ISLAM leader Louis Farrakhan.
http://www.onenewsnow.com/2007/03/obamas_p...ts_concerns.php
...in two separate interviews, Pastor Wright has REVEALED HIS CONCERNS ABOUT OBAMA'S PRO-ISLAMIC LEANINGS.
Markell FEARS THAT IF OBAMA BECOMES PRESIDENT, THE UNITED STATES WILL BLATANTLY TURN ITS BACK ON ISRAEL- AND SUFFER THE CONSEQUENCES later.
Obama's racist, black supremacy 'cover church':
Trinity United Church of Christ doctrine: (visit website http://www.tucc.org/about.htm)
We are a congregation which is Unashamedly Black and Unapologetically Christian... Our roots in the Black religious experience and tradition are deep, lasting and permanent. "WE ARE AFRICAN PEOPLE, AND REMAIN TRUE TO OUR NATIVE LAND"..
BOYHOOD FRIEND AND TEACHER SAY OBAMA WAS MUSLIM.
In a statement to the Los Angeles Times on Wednesday, Gibbs amended that declaration, saying: “Obama has never been a practicing Muslim,” the key word being “practicing.”
But a BOYHOOD FRIEND of Obama in Indonesia, Zulfin Adi, TOLD THE TIMES; "His mother often went to the church, but Barry [Barack’s name at the time] was Muslim. HE WENT TO THE MOSQUE.”
HIS FIRST GRADE TEACHER Israella Dharmawan TOLD THE TIMES: “At that time, Barry was also praying in a Catholic way, but Barry was Muslim. HE WAS REGISTERED AS A MUSLIM because his father was Muslim.”
IN THE THIRD GRADE, OBAMA TRANSFERRED TO A PUBLIC SCHOOL, WHERE HE WAS ALSO REGISTERED AS A MUSLIM. MUSLIM STUDENT AT THE SCHOOL ATTENDED WEEKLY RELIGION LESSONS ABOUT ISLAM, TAUGHT BY A MUSLIM.
.. WHEN THE CALL TO PRAYER SOUNDED, OBAMA and Lolo WOULD WALK TO THE MOSQUE together, Adi added.
One such critic is Chicago-based Internet journalist and broadcaster Andy Martin, a lawyer and consumer advocate who wrote earlier about Obama’s connection to Islam.
“Obama no longer denies he was a Muslim. Now he says he wasn’t a ‘practicing’ Muslim.
“People in general will accept most anything from public officials as long as they don’t lie about it.”
http://newsmax.com/archives/articles/2007/3/19/004939.shtml
Obama the liar:
BTW, Obama lied about his father's religious denomination during the DNC Convention in 2004. He said his father was a non-practicing Christian.
Obama's father abandoned him and his mother when he was just a kid (he used Islam's Sharia Law and its tenets about divorce), yet he feels compelled to follow his father's roots while totally neglecting his white mother's heritage and religion. His mother was responsible for who he is today, yet not a peep about her. Not a peep from the LIBERAL media,
check out his voting record in the U.S. Senate. The ADA rated him to the left of Kennedy and Hillary. Yet, the media makes no mention of this
bought a neighboring lot for a very small amount. The deal was done with a shady Syrian businessman now under indictment (the Syrian bought the house next door), who brokered the cut-rate deal on Obama's house). What's even more interesting is that the Syrian is business partners with Elijah Mohammad's son. Is Obama involved with the Nation of Islam iHe's running for vice-president.
He's half white but calls himself black. That is an affirmative action thing. It pays off big time to get yourself categorized as black.
Obama, Barack Hussein Obama's father, stepfather and grandfather were Muslims. (father and grandfather were associated with radicals) By Islam law, children of Muslim fathers are Muslims. This cannot be changed. By the word of the profit, Mohammed, in the Koran, 'Whosoever turns his back on his religion, kill him'. Muslims take every word of the Koran as gospel- even though it is from the 7th century. Obama states that he is a 'Christian'. He joined Trinity United Church of Christ when he began to have political ambitions. (might have a bit of trouble getting votes as a Muslim) How do we know he's not still with the Muslims? Because he SAYS so? The principle of Al-Takeyya gives Muslims permission to lie to protect themselves or further the cause. If THIS were not enough- and indeed it is, he's a liar. Among his lies, he said (for political benefits) his father was a goat herder. His father was a prosperous farmer. He credited the “Bloody Sunday” civil rights marchers of 1965 with the fact that his parents, a black African father and white Kansas mother, were empowered to fall in love and got married.
'They looked at each other and they decided, ‘We know that in the world, as it has been, it might not be possible for us to get together and have a child, but something is stirring across the country because of what happened in Selma, Ala., because some folks are willing to march across the bridge.’ And so they got together and Barack Obama Jr. was born. So don’t tell me I don’t have a claim on Selma, Ala.!'
Obama was born in 1961; the Selma march was four years later. Obama said later that he meant to credit the entire civil rights movement with his parents’ union, not just the Bloody Sunday marchers…
Funny how Mr. Obama’s mistakes about history call to mind our first black President’s memories of seeing black churches burning in his youth.
He's an admitted drug user. He was involved in a shady real estate deal with a guy who associated with radical Muslims. He was caught violating campaigning rules by campaigning from his office. Then there was the shady stock deals.
THEN there is his scary church doctrine:
(Turn it around and substitute 'white' for 'black'- any white church would be run out of town on a rail if they dared put forth such a doctrine!)
1. Commitment to God
2. Commitment to the Black Community
3. Commitment to the Black Family
4. Dedication to the Pursuit of Education
5. Dedication to the Pursuit of Excellence
6. Adherence to the Black Work Ethic
7. Commitment to Self-Discipline and Self-Respect
8. Disavowal of the Pursuit of "Middleclassness"
9. Pledge to make the fruits of all developing and acquired skills available to the Black Community
10. Pledge to Allocate Regularly, a Portion of Personal Resources for Strengthening and Supporting Black Institutions
11. Pledge allegiance to all Black leadership who espouse and embrace the Black Value System
12. Personal commitment to embracement of the Black Value System.
The Pastor as well as the membership of Trinity United Church of Christ is committed to a 10-point Vision:
1. A congregation committed to ADORATION.
2. A congregation preaching SALVATION.
3. A congregation actively seeking RECONCILIATION.
4. A congregation with a non-negotiable COMMITMENT TO AFRICA.
5. A congregation committed to BIBLICAL EDUCATION.
6. A congregation committed to CULTURAL EDUCATION.
7. A congregation committed to the HISTORICAL EDUCATION OF AFRICAN PEOPLE IN DIASPORA.
8. A congregation committed to LIBERATION.
9. A congregation committed to RESTORATION.
10. A congregation working towards ECONOMIC PARITY
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If you don't believe in anything, you'll believe anything. As a culture, we lose our way when we abandon our Judeo-Christian heritage and foundation.
Never forget:
http://www.frugalsites.net/911/attack/