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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: The Noachide on November 13, 2013, 01:06:56 PM
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I'm becoming more hesitant in this organization as well as viewers deciding to join. I see all kinds of remarks and thought this is overwhelming. Concur?
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What about freedom of expression ?
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only if you can get the other groups to stop calling their own kind all kinds of horrible names. then get them to stop calling other people horrible names. and then finally you can tell us.
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we should act like these guys:
http://jtf.org/forum/index.php/topic,72518.0.html
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I want to hand you an olive branch Noachide, so I rewritten "kike" into "yid" in my recent topic's headline.
http://jtf.org/forum/index.php/topic,72527.msg614335.html#msg614335
I don't like to read or hear dirty gutter talk but I think some so called racial slur can be used to make a point once in a while.
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only if you can get the other groups to stop calling their own kind all kinds of horrible names. then get them to stop calling other people horrible names. and then finally you can tell us.
my black friend agrees. see img
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I understand your Facebook friend Noahide, but unfortunately society does not judge racial slurs the same. Negroes and Muslims can get away with every dirty term and the book whereas whites cannot.
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I understand your Facebook friend Noahide, but unfortunately society does not judge racial slurs the same. Negroes and Muslims can get away with every dirty term and the book whereas whites cannot.
I don't use facebook ;D
http://bit.ly/1bhPu9O
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my black friend agrees. see img
That's amazing. You got the negroe racists to stop being racists. Congratulations.
;D
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Oh look many black people do bad things so we should do bad things.
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keywords: all kinds of remarks in my 1st post.
the k word slur for jews for example. It almost passes for a white power site here. A double standard.
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100% effectively proven
www.youtube.com/watch?v=WmM7Nir0yhE
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I don't consider myself racist, I am against evil culture.
I think that when most people are talking about a specific ethnic group, they are focusing on the evil, for example if you have washington DC that is majority black, and the majority of crimes are committed by blacks, then generally that's no more racist than if you have a European nation that is predominantly white and are evil. There are good blacks and there are bad blacks, just like there are good chinese and bad chinese, etc. etc.
I have many friends of different backgrounds who are righteous of different backgrounds and I know others who are evil, I never hate an individual for their skin color, you can't control what your blood is, but you can choose what you believe and who you associate with.
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That's where I'm getting at, kike is reserved for Jews. No one else. I see Arab slurs and black slurs constantly too. I still see it as a double standard. That Philippine topic praising the tragedy is immoral. You'd have to be on lsd to like the aftermath. We're talking about children and infants lost their lives and homes in the recent events.
There's women here. Many people here are religious right?.. Clean it up a bit is what I'm implying.
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That's where I'm getting at, kike is reserved for Jews. No one else. I see Arab slurs and black slurs constantly too. I still see it as a double standard. That Philippine topic praising the tragedy is immoral. You'd have to be on lsd to like the aftermath. We're talking about children and infants lost their lives and homes in the recent events.
There's women here. Many people here are religious right?.. Clean it up a bit is what I'm implying.
I don't think anyone is satisfied that innocent people lost their lives in the Philippines, rather that evil nations are judged by God and unfortunately sometimes the people who may not support the evil are judged as a whole as they belong to that nation.
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I don't think anyone is satisfied that innocent people lost their lives in the Philippines, rather that evil nations are judged by God and unfortunately sometimes the people who may not support the evil are judged as a whole as they belong to that nation.
In general I am accustomed to the level of 'racism' which we exhibit here at JTF. I was originally one of the people who pushed to make the K-word less used because it offends good Jews (even though I know people who use it are referring to the 'bad' Jews) and it bothered me. I greatly appreciate that the use of the term has diminished.
I also in general have reduced my level of racism, although from time to time it flares up again (as in the story of the mob of black bikers a month ago)... I try to judge people based on their accomplishments rather than their external makeup. In a group situation things become a little less defined because a large group of black people just may be a problem waiting to happen.
On whether we should rejoice what happened in Philippines, in general I would refrain from doing so personally. It is said those who take personal pleasure out of the judgement of the wicked are themselves judged by a high standard. Nationally the United States is not the most righteous nation any longer. If Hashem should, G-d Forbid, judge America who knows how many innocent Americans could be harmed.
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Black people who call each other n. aren't righteous. Would you expect Allen West to call a black associate of his n.? Would you expect people in Israel to vote for someone who calls his opponents k.?
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In the case of the "k word", I think it has its place. I myself barely use it, as I'm a Gentile and it doesn't really look good for me to, but it serves its intended purpose. A kike is an evil, insane, or hopelessly wimpy Jew that is a disgrace to G-d, Israel, and fellow Jews. Ibrahim Foxman, Nellie the Weasel, Lewinsky, etc. are all kikes. That's just an accurate use of the word. It's the same as using the term ape for evil negroes. Obviously we do not believe all blacks are apes or are literally, physically primates.
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Why not censor all racial slurs including the 'K' word?
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As a Jew, don't I have the right to call shimon peres a self hating kike?
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As a Jew, don't I have the right to call shimon peres a self hating kike?
You think we're liberals? You have the right to walk around cursing every person and air molecule you come across. You will never have a successful political movement like that though, certainly.
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As a Jew, don't I have the right to call shimon peres a self hating kike?
You can say what you want. I agree with LKZ's comment though. It may cause other Jews (even righteous ones) to think you are antisemitic.
I hate the word. I have seen the kike accusation (the origin of the word comes from the fact that Jews did not mark a cross on immigration papers, rather marking with a circle (a kike)). I saw a YouTube comment say that this was because Jews hated their messiah and are sons of the devil...
To almost the entire world, WE are the kikes...
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Whoa. I did not know this. If this is the case, then I withdraw my original statement, we definitely should not be using it, even against evil Jews, because that is an attack on Judaism. It is suggesting that Jews (even evil ones) should be the type that mark a cross instead of a circle. It's like us calling Shimon Peres a "Christ killer" or something. We should only use terms that denigrate evil people if the term shows contempt for the person, not contempt for Judaism.
Shalom Dan Ben Noah,
Yes, even the wikipage on the word Kike has this information:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kike
Etymology
The source of the term is uncertain. According to Leo Rosten,
The word kike was born on Ellis Island when there were Jewish immigrants who were also illiterate (or could not use Latin alphabet letters), when asked to sign the entry-forms with the customary 'X,'* refused, because they associated an X with the cross of Christianity, and made a circle in its place. The Yiddish word for 'circle' is kikel (pronounced ky-kul), and for 'little circle,' kikeleh (pronounced ky-kul-uh). Before long the immigration inspectors were calling anyone who signed with an 'O' in place of an 'X' a kikel or kikeleh or kikee or, finally and succinctly, kike.[2]
According to Rosten, Jewish U.S. merchants continued to sign with an 'O' in place of an 'X' for several decades, spreading the nickname kike wherever they went as a result.
See also : http://www.shamash.org/lists/scj-faq/HTML/faq/19-13.html
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=kike
kike is derived from the hebrew word for circle, which is the mark many jews made on their immigration papers coming into america (instead of an "x" for their signature). like many other racial slurs, it came from immigration officers who used it as short-hand for a population group entering the country.
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I live many years here in USA and JTF is only and first place I ever came across this K word..
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(http://jbinteraction.com/sefaranu/one/peace/cartoons/images/olegjun1.gif)
(http://www.oocities.org/media_maccabee/OlegCartoon.gif)
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You think we're liberals? You have the right to walk around cursing every person and air molecule you come across. You will never have a successful political movement like that though, certainly.
Huh? Where did I say anyone here was a liberal? I only cursed Shimon Peres. Everything always has to be about you though doesn't it? Are you saying you agree with the policies of Peres? He is not a mere "liberal" but a traitor!
Are you aware that Rabbi Kahane in public speeches used to say yemach shemo to yossi sarid? Maybe you need to rethink your cursing policy.
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Huh? Where did I say anyone here was a liberal? I only cursed Shimon Peres. Everything always has to be about you though doesn't it? Are you saying you agree with the policies of Peres? He is not a mere "liberal" but a traitor!
Are you aware that Rabbi Kahane in public speeches used to say yemach shemo to yossi sarid? Maybe you need to rethink your cursing policy.
I think you missed what he was trying to say, in my opinion you are making it personal.
He agrees with you on Peres, but he thinks that by cursing everyone it drives some people away from the movement... This is my understanding of what LKZ was saying.
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You can say what you want. I agree with LKZ's comment though. It may cause other Jews (even righteous ones) to think you are antisemitic.
I hate the word. I have seen the kike accusation (the origin of the word comes from the fact that Jews did not mark a cross on immigration papers, rather marking with a circle (a kike)). I saw a YouTube comment say that this was because Jews hated their messiah and are sons of the devil...
To almost the entire world, WE are the kikes...
If I say. "Yemach shemo to shimon peres and his cabana boy netanyahu" will that also be perceived as antisemitic? I'm asking honestly, not being facetious.
I've. Never once in my life been accused by someone in person as being antisemitic. It would be quite a claim to suggest considering I wear a kippa.
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I think you missed what he was trying to say, in my opinion you are making it personal.
He agrees with you on Peres, but he thinks that by cursing everyone it drives some people away from the movement... This is my understanding of what LKZ was saying.
I didn't ask for your opinion on my exchange with LKZ. When you say that I made it personal, that is simply inaccurate. He used the pronoun WE asking me if I consider you all liberals. He made it personal about him. Thanks for the piling on attempt though.
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If I say. "Yemach shemo to shimon peres and his cabana boy netanyahu" will that also be perceived as antisemitic? I'm asking honestly, not being facetious.
I've. Never once in my life been accused by someone in person as being antisemitic. It would be quite a claim to suggest considering I wear a kippa.
Do you also call people Kikes in your synagogue or shul? I am pretty sure if you do you will get some odd looks...
The term Yemach Shemo (the curse) is a Jewish thing. Most non-Jews would not know what you are saying.
There is a difference between cursing someone and using an antisemitic slur.
Did Rabbi Kahane (Ztl) use this term?
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Do you also call people Kikes in your synagogue or shul? I am pretty sure if you do you will get some odd looks...
The term Yemach Shemo (the curse) is a Jewish thing. Most non-Jews would not know what you are saying.
There is a difference between cursing someone and using an antisemitic slur.
Did Rabbi Kahane (Ztl) use this term?
You said that JEWS including religious Jews would think I was antisemitic. So what about if I said yemach shemo to these 2? Would they also think it because of that? Simple question, please answer.
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You said that JEWS including religious Jews would think I was antisemitic. So what about if I said yemach shemo to these 2? Would they also think it because of that? Simple question, please answer.
I think it would require some explanation as to why you said what you said, but in my opinion I think it would be less offensive to say than the K-word. At a more spiritual level it is more harsh to curse with the Y.S. curse than to call Kike, but I am talking about the impression of others (especially Jews).
I just googled and found a WN site which considers Chaim Ben Pesach to be a kike..
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http://vnnforum.com/archive/index.php/t-61144.html
Congo-Lisa Rice? LMAO!
So it's absurd to think that the US government brought down those towers and put those bombs there?
Put those bombs there? A little slip of the tongue from this SUB-ANIMAL KIKE?
I think these JTF kikes are a total false flag. They try to come across as paleoconservatives but they attack nearly everyone who represents that - Pat Buchanan, David Duke, the National Front in France and even the BNP in Great Britain.
To their credit, these SUB-ANIMAL KIKES are very funny in talking about blacks - they make monkey sounds and do great impersonations of uppity negresses on power trips. Overall though, they come across as a false flag - talk like a paleoconservative to gain some credibility and then attack anyone who represents that who is a threat to the power structure.
Donnachaidh
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Very funny. Deranged kikes like him produce more anti-Semites than all "neo-Nazi" web sites put together. Ron Paul an evil Nazi scum? lol If you're not a hateful, fanatical Zionist terrorist, you're a Nazi. That's a lot of Nazis. Speaking of Nazis, is that a picture of Meir Kahane in the background? If I weren't an atheist I'd convert to Islam.
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You said that JEWS including religious Jews would think I was antisemitic. So what about if I said yemach shemo to these 2? Would they also think it because of that? Simple question, please answer.
I didn't read the whole thread or anything, and I did personally use the K word at times, but perhaps the difference would be that self hating Jews made the K word to describe other (usually good) Jews.
Yimah Shemo was made by good Jews against the enemies of Jews including bad Jews.
Soo maybe that is the difference.
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Well, I agree that the yemach shemo curse may indeed be more politically correct and also more appropriate in light of the word kike's antisemitic past. I have no reservation about using y"s on traitors as that was the Torah of Rav Kahane.
And netanyahu is a (begins with R and ends with F, rhyming with go deaf). I don't want to type it in case of legality problems.
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Well, I agree that the yemach shemo curse may indeed be more politically correct and also more appropriate in light of the word kike's antisemitic past. I have no reservation about using y"s on traitors as that was the Torah of Rav Kahane.
And netanyahu is a (begins with R and ends with F, rhyming with go deaf). I don't want to type it in case of legality problems.
I have actually called Netanyahu a moser and I didn't think it was a legal problem..
http://jtf.org/forum/index.php/topic,72221.msg612504.html#msg612504
http://jtf.org/forum/index.php/topic,72272.msg612913.html#msg612913
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I think it would require some explanation as to why you said what you said, but in my opinion I think it would be less offensive to say than the K-word. At a more spiritual level it is more harsh to curse with the Y.S. curse than to call Kike, but I am talking about the impression of others (especially Jews).
I just googled and found a WN site which considers Chaim Ben Pesach to be a kike..
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http://vnnforum.com/archive/index.php/t-61144.html
Is it necessary to post that on this forum? Really?
I think there is a time and place to speak ones mind. When you throw slurs around willy nilly they lose their effectiveness. That seems to be what is happening here lately. Using any slurs for shock value is retarded.
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I think there is a time and place to speak ones mind. When you throw slurs around willy nilly they lose their effectiveness. That seems to be what is happening here lately. Using any slurs for shock value is retarded.
Agreed, ma'am!
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Except when you see this... We are proud of it!
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/11/14/student-asked-to-remove-duck-dynasty-t-shirt-because-school-considered-redneck-a-slur/
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You can say what you want. I agree with LKZ's comment though. It may cause other Jews (even righteous ones) to think you are antisemitic.
I hate the word. I have seen the kike accusation (the origin of the word comes from the fact that Jews did not mark a cross on immigration papers, rather marking with a circle (a kike)). I saw a YouTube comment say that this was because Jews hated their messiah and are sons of the devil...
To almost the entire world, WE are the kikes...
Are you sure about this? Chaim has addressed this several times, and generally he states words to the effect that evil, self-hating Jews are not Jews, they are kikes. I assume he knows what he's talking about. Again, I don't use this word much at all (maybe three or four times in all my years at JTF prior to this thread), but I do not see the harm in using it in its intended usage. The word "pimp" may often refer to a player or ladies' man now, but it originally referred to a prostitute's boss. If someone uses it as such it is still correct. Do you have a source besides one obscure Youtube comment?
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(http://jbinteraction.com/sefaranu/one/peace/cartoons/images/olegjun1.gif)
This pic is missing Foxman, Sharon, Albright, and Rooster Schumer, albeit the Koranrat on the right rather resembles him.
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Is it necessary to post that on this forum? Really?
I think there is a time and place to speak ones mind. When you throw slurs around willy nilly they lose their effectiveness. That seems to be what is happening here lately. Using any slurs for shock value is retarded.
It was necessary to prove a point. That the WN's will call us JTF members kikes, and laugh at us calling other Jews kikes. We are all Kikes in their eyes... Our using the term only makes us look dumb.
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Are you sure about this? Chaim has addressed this several times, and generally he states words to the effect that evil, self-hating Jews are not Jews, they are kikes. I assume he knows what he's talking about. Again, I don't use this word much at all (maybe three or four times in all my years at JTF prior to this thread), but I do not see the harm in using it in its intended usage. The word "pimp" may often refer to a player or ladies' man now, but it originally referred to a prostitute's boss. If someone uses it as such it is still correct. Do you have a source besides one obscure Youtube comment?
It is all over the network when you search for the origin of the term kike. It was not on YouTube, but I quoted from WikiPedia... I also found it on the Urban Dictionary... If you would like other sources just google it...
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I have actually called Netanyahu a moser and I didn't think it was a legal problem..
http://jtf.org/forum/index.php/topic,72221.msg612504.html#msg612504
http://jtf.org/forum/index.php/topic,72272.msg612913.html#msg612913
The word I was looking for was not moser, and the word I am using could be problematic legally after what happened with a certain prime minister who was called a certain term...
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It is all over the network when you search for the origin of the term kike. It was not on YouTube, but I quoted from WikiPedia... I also found it on the Urban Dictionary... If you would like other sources just google it...
Yeah I get that it used to refer to Jews making a circle mark, but nobody uses it with that intention, at least at JTF.
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Yeah I get that it used to refer to Jews making a circle mark, but nobody uses it with that intention, at least at JTF.
The issue is not how JTF members use it.... Rather the concern is about how Jews who are not familiar with JTF will perceive us. I can dig up the thread from years ago when Chaim agreed we should tone down the use of the term in order to attract more righteous Jews...
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The word I was looking for was not moser, and the word I am using could be problematic legally after what happened with a certain prime minister who was called a certain term...
I know the word you are referring to, and it's involvement in that event... But a moser is a pretty bad thing, and I believe a moser is dealt with similarly.
http://www.dafyomi.co.il/sanhedrin/halachah/sn-hl-057.htm
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The racial slur's origin is fundamentally irrelevant. Uncle Tom, for example, refers to a segment within the "race" that are seen as traitors to it, and therefore, is in no way problematic. Like n., this word is anti-Jewish in general, and is not meant to offend a segment, but every single Jew.
You may believe it should be used in such a manner as to refer to weak traitors. This is not the accepted use, the one every Hans with tattooed heads has heard of refers to Jews in general, and it is a way for them to group Jews as a whole and call them this particular thing, not a way to insult one or two, or a group in the tribe.
If you want to make a word to describe beasts like Shimon Peres (YS"V) and George Soros (YS"V), I will support it. To use a word that groups Jews as a whole, and makes us look like scummy hoodrats calling each other slave is only detrimental, accomplishes nothing positive for us, is unnecessary vulgarity, and if it causes one person to turn from JTF, was it worth it?
Keep it up, and you'll disappoint all the neo nazis that come here who thought we were antisemites, and all the Jews that come here and think we support am Yisrael.
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what racial slur?
kike is a japanese word:
http://www.amazon.com/Mori-ni-kike-Japanese-Edition/dp/4062048728