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http://news.aol.com/story/_a/20-billion-arms-sale-stirs-controversy/20070729082509990001?ncid=NWS00010000000001
$20 Billion Arms Sale Stirs Controversy
Advanced Weapons Proposal for Arab Countries Stokes Opposition
By JOHN HENDREN,ABC News
Posted: 2007-07-29 14:23:16
Filed Under: Nation News
WASHINGTON (July 29) - The United States and its Middle East allies are expected to raise the ante this week in an intensifying confrontation with Iran.
As Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice and Defense Secretary Robert Gates make a round of Middle East visits this week, U.S. officials are scheduled to meet on Tuesday with Iranian leaders in Baghdad and with Arab allies in Egypt.
At about the same time, the Bush administration is expected to announce a controversial $20 billion arms sale over the next 10 years to Saudi Arabia and five other American allies in the Persian Gulf -- Bahrain, Kuwait, Oman, Qatar and the United Arab Emirates.
A senior defense official told ABC News that the Saudi government unsuccessfully seeks an arms deal nearly every year. This year, the Bush administration is supporting the sale to counter what it sees as a rising military threat from Iran.
"The Iranians have been acting for the last six months like nobody can stop them," Patrick Clawson of the Washington Institute for Near East Policy said in an interview. "Now, the United States and its friends in the Middle East are showing Iran that, in fact they've got lots of resources, which, if need be, they can use to check the Iranian ambitions."
Critics argue that the deal would accelerate a regional arms race in the Middle East -- threatening a precarious three-way balance between Israel, Sunni Arab nations such as Saudi Arabia, and Shiite nations such as Iraq and Iraq.
But administration officials say it is Iran that has sped up the arms race with its alleged pursuit of nuclear weapons.
The deal has been in the works for months. It initially faced objections by Israel, particularly over the first-ever proposed sale of precision-guided Joint Direct Attack Munitions, or JDAMs, to Saudi Arabia.
"There is a worry that a precision strike weapon in Saudi Hands could, in theory, be used against Israel, either by the Saudi Air Force itself or by another Arab state the Saudis might supply that weapon with," said Michael O'Hanlon, an ABC News consultant and a military analyst at the Brookings Institution.
To counter any threat from the Saudis, the United States would deliver an even larger arms package to Israel, worth $30 billion. That would maintain an American policy of giving Israel a military advantage over its Arab neighbors.
Rep. Anthony Weiner, D-N.Y., and Rep. Robert Wexler, D-Fla., said they will introduce legislation to block the deal in Congress. They said Saudi Arabia has aided Sunni insurgents in Iraq and has done little to stop Sunni extremists from crossing over into Iraq to do battle against American troops.
"Saudi Arabia has not been a true ally in furthering the United States interests in the Middle East," Weiner said. "Just this week, Brig. Gen. Kevin Bergner, the top American military spokesman in Iraq, detailed an account of a Saudi Arabian smuggled into Iraq to be a suicide bomber. American officials in Iraq say the majority of suicide bombers in Iraq are from Saudi Arabia and that about 40 percent of all foreign fighters are Saudi. 70 percent of the most-wanted international terrorists are Saudi Arabians."
Administration officials said they have found little evidence of Saudi complicity in Iraq.
THIS IS SICK!!!!
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Every single penny of which will come back to bite us all in the @ss!
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This is indeed perpetuating an arms race in the Middle East. Because of this recent deal, Russia just signed a deal to give Iran advanced fighter jets and an advanced anti-aircraft system to protect their nuclear bomb-making program.
If we give tons of weapons to Sunni countries, this will only embolden Iran more and make it more determined to carry out its nuclear bomb program.
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Now this we all must get together and stop every chance of this happening, to put the latest arms to these savages. Anyone living in the United States get active NOW. Vigorously write to your congress and senate to block such an idea. Some in congress are going for re election next year. We must stop this NOW. I never heard of such mental illness like this. Iran wants to blow the world up under a mushroom cloud God forbid and the US is going to arm these towel head pigs.
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Everything from Russia should be boycotted. The only problem is I don't know what Russia actually sells in the west. Everything they make is crap.
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Everything from Russia should be boycotted. The only problem is I don't know what Russia actually sells in the west. Everything they make is crap.
I don't know if they really sell anything to the West, besides some natural resources and possibly some food products. Most of the junk they make is sold to Eastern Europe and third world hellholes.
The only thing I know of that they sell is oil and weapons to Muslim terrorist countries.
A boycott of their oil is justified. They are possibly more dangerous than some Muslim countries themselves. They give sophisticated weaponry to Muslim countries and aid Iran in its bomb-making program. If Russia hadn't helped Iran, those sand apes would be trying to figure it out themselves but it would be as successful as a chimp would be trying to play the bassoon.
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Everything from Russia should be boycotted. The only problem is I don't know what Russia actually sells in the west. Everything they make is crap.
I don't know if they really sell anything to the West, besides some natural resources and possibly some food products. Most of the junk they make is sold to Eastern Europe and third world hellholes.
The only thing I know of that they sell is oil and weapons to Muslim terrorist countries.
A boycott of their oil is justified. They are possibly more dangerous than some Muslim countries themselves. They give sophisticated weaponry to Muslim countries and aid Iran in its bomb-making program. If Russia hadn't helped Iran, those sand apes would be trying to figure it out themselves but it would be as successful as a chimp would be trying to play the bassoon.
Yeah! And this after all the $$ we gave those white negroes when the wall came down! We're STUPID.
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All I know is this. The founding fathers are spinning in their graves.
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All I know is this. The founding fathers are spinning in their graves.
If your founding fathers and the original Minutemen were here today, they'd be having a house cleaning session in DC with ropes, trees and bullets.
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All I know is this. The founding fathers are spinning in their graves.
If your founding fathers and the original Minutemen were here today, they'd be having a house cleaning session in DC with ropes, trees and bullets.
If the founding fathers and minutemen were here today, they would all be members of the JTF.
True that.
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All I know is this. The founding fathers are spinning in their graves.
If your founding fathers and the original Minutemen were here today, they'd be having a house cleaning session in DC with ropes, trees and bullets.
If the founding fathers and minutemen were here today, they would all be members of the JTF.
Hoo Rah!!
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And it gets worse.
Israel backs U.S. arms sale to Saudis
http://www.meadowfreepress.com/ViewArticle.aspx?id=138825&source=2 (http://www.meadowfreepress.com/ViewArticle.aspx?id=138825&source=2)
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We are all surrounded by this madness basically from treasonous leadership. If this isn't treason then I don't know what is. The government of a nation is suppose to protect the people of that nation. This is how they try to protect us? By arming our enemies that want by all means God forbid that both America and Israel be destroyed? Now you see why I been saying we must stick together cause our leaders sure are not.
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We are all surrounded by this madness basically from treasonous leadership. If this isn't treason then I don't know what is. The government of a nation is suppose to protect the people of that nation. This is how they try to protect us? By arming our enemies that want by all means G-d forbid that both America and Israel be destroyed? Now you see why I been saying we must stick together cause our leaders sure are not.
Our former PM, Bob Menzies is still called 'pig iron Bob' and cursed for selling pig iron to the japs before WW2. Had he sold them weapons, we'd have lynched the b@stard.
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This insane arms sale is a deliberate strategy in order to force Israel to buy even more weapons from America. In fact, the article pretty much admits that.
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And the general public in general doesn't seem to give a damn. They are so occupied by nonsense of the idiots in Hollyweird like Paris Hilton and that other slut whats her face Lohan. This is all they are concern about, mean time our nations are being stripped of any dignity and the Muslims are the ones gaining from this.
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And the general public in general doesn't seem to give a damn. They are so occupied by nonsense of the idiots in Hollyweird like Paris Hilton and that other slut whats her face Lohan. This is all they are concern about, mean time our nations are being stripped of any dignity and the Muslims are the ones gaining from this.
Right again, wolfman.
Our enemies are deeply religious and focus on nothing but our destruction 24/7.
We (in the west) are for the most part secular and focus on shopping, entertainment, sport , celebrity gossip and Britney's rude bits.
It's not looking good, is it?
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All I know is this. The founding fathers are spinning in their graves.
If your founding fathers and the original Minutemen were here today, they'd be having a house cleaning session in DC with ropes, trees and bullets.
If the founding fathers and minutemen were here today, they would all be members of the JTF.
Yes they would.
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And the general public in general doesn't seem to give a damn. They are so occupied by nonsense of the idiots in Hollyweird like Paris Hilton and that other slut whats her face Lohan. This is all they are concern about, mean time our nations are being stripped of any dignity and the Muslims are the ones gaining from this.
I hope Lindsay Lohan dies in a drug overdose.
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cosmokramer: "...I hope Lindsay Lohan dies in a drug overdose..."
That's not a nice thing to say, cosmokramer!
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More madness from "The Commander in Chief"!
His plan: Triple the size of the Saudi military & arm its airforce to be equal to Israel's airforce.
Intentions: Rely on Saudi Arabia as a deterrent against Iran while propping up their Sunni cousins in Iraq.
Massuh predicts: Such an arms race fueled by the U.S. between Saudis, Iraq, & Iran is in itself cause for all involved to brace for war and to prepare for war. Should the inevitable shooting war start between Iran & Saudi Arabia, Iran would undoubtedly conquer Iraq + Saudi Arabia -- end result being Bush's military industry buddies become richer than Croesus, and Iran becomes the Middle East's Superpower...controlling most all of the world's oil resources and quadrupling its territory; enabling it to use its nuclear weapons and oil to literally blackmail the entire world into submission.
Only Israel's military intervention might preclude such a scenario, but it in itself would produce unforeseen consequences and other yet unrecognized threats.
Isn't Bush the Grand Strategist? ???
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Brigitte Gabriel did a great job during a segment on Hannity & Colmes discussing her opposition to this.
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More madness from "The Commander in Chief"!
His plan: Triple the size of the Saudi military & arm its airforce to be equal to Israel's airforce.
Intentions: Rely on Saudi Arabia as a deterrent against Iran while propping up their Sunni cousins in Iraq.
Massuh predicts: Such an arms race fueled by the U.S. between Saudis, Iraq, & Iran is in itself cause for all involved to brace for war and to prepare for war. Should the inevitable shooting war start between Iran & Saudi Arabia, Iran would undoubtedly conquer Iraq + Saudi Arabia -- end result being Bush's military industry buddies become richer than Croesus, and Iran becomes the Middle East's Superpower...controlling most all of the world's oil resources and quadrupling its territory; enabling it to use its nuclear weapons and oil to literally blackmail the entire world into submission.
Only Israel's military intervention might preclude such a scenario, but it in itself would produce unforeseen consequences and other yet unrecognized threats.
Isn't Bush the Grand Strategist? ???
I doubt he came up with this idea on his own. Condi Rice was probably involved.
Was conquering all the oil fields to threaten others also the goal of Saddam?
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Ehud Olmert called Saudia Arabia moderate. He supports giving them weapons.
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"Just this week, Brig. Gen. Kevin Bergner, the top American military spokesman in Iraq, detailed an account of a Saudi Arabian smuggled into Iraq to be a suicide bomber. American officials in Iraq say the majority of suicide bombers in Iraq are from Saudi Arabia and that about 40 percent of all foreign fighters are Saudi. 70 percent of the most-wanted international terrorists are Saudi Arabians."
But Jorge claims that he doesn't make military-related decisions that go against what generals tell him. This general should go do an interview on every media source.
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Now this we all must get together and stop every chance of this happening, to put the latest arms to these savages. Anyone living in the United States get active NOW. Vigorously write to your congress and senate to block such an idea. Some in congress are going for re election next year. We must stop this NOW. I never heard of such mental illness like this. Iran wants to blow the world up under a mushroom cloud G-d forbid and the US is going to arm these towel head pigs.
Maybe the one good thing about Democrats controlling Congress is that they'll block this from happening.