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Title: Want to live longer and healthier lives? Eat lots of vegetables and fruits!
Post by: Chaim Ben Pesach on April 01, 2014, 10:48:42 AM
בס''ד

Yet another large scientific study discovers what all of the research has shown for decades: people who eat lots of vegetables and fruits every day live longer and healthier lives. Vegetables are even healthier than fruits. People who eat seven portions a day have the best results.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/to-your-health/wp/2014/04/01/mom-was-right-eat-lots-of-veggies-theyre-even-better-for-you-than-fruit/?tid=hpModule_1f58c93a-8a7a-11e2-98d9-3012c1cd8d1e
Title: Re: Want to live longer and healthier lives? Eat lots of vegetables and fruits!
Post by: Tag-MehirTzedek on April 01, 2014, 10:53:36 AM
"People who eat seven or more portions of fresh fruits and vegetables each day may reduce their risk of dying by as much as 42 percent over people who consume less than one portion, "

 1) They are comparing 7 or more vs. less than 1. I don't think the effect get's much better when its 6 to 7 or 5 to 7.
2) "risk of dying"- I thought that dying was extremely close to 100%
Title: Re: Want to live longer and healthier lives? Eat lots of vegetables and fruits!
Post by: Chaim Ben Pesach on April 01, 2014, 11:00:09 AM
"People who eat seven or more portions of fresh fruits and vegetables each day may reduce their risk of dying by as much as 42 percent over people who consume less than one portion, "

 1) They are comparing 7 or more vs. less than 1. I don't think the effect get's much better when its 6 to 7 or 5 to 7.
2) "risk of dying"- I thought that dying was extremely close to 100%

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Did you read the whole article before you posted this? It's right here in black and white: the more you eat (up to seven portions), the better the results.

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More remarkably, the researchers said they were able to quantify the health benefits per portion of fruits and vegetables consumed. One to three portions daily reduced the chance of death from any cause by 14 percent, three to five portions had a 29 percent impact, five to seven portions dropped the chances by 36 percent and seven or more portions produced a 42 percent decline in the risk of death. The benefits appeared to tail off at that level.

The study concluded that each daily portion of fresh vegetables reduced the overall risk of death by 16 percent. For salad,  the benefit was 13 percent, and for fresh fruit it was 4 percent.

As far as risk of dying, that refers to death within a certain time period. In this case, the time period was 12 years. It also refers to death from specific causes such as cancer or heart disease.
Title: Re: Want to live longer and healthier lives? Eat lots of vegetables and fruits!
Post by: Dr. Dan on April 01, 2014, 11:44:46 AM
Diets also have to be adjusted per individual even based on their ethnic background and genetics.  Eskimos, who don't have access to many fruits and vegetables ate primarily fish and fats of sea animals.  When fruits and grains were introduced to them, diabetes spiked in their community.

People of middle eastern and mediterranean background would also have a customized diet that benefits them.  So not one size fits all.

However, in general, natural foods (veggies and fruits) are the best thing for one's health.  Limited grains, fish and nuts are also healthy.  Poultry better than red meat, but both should be limited.  Dairy products, it depends.  Eggs, I'm biased.  Too much is not good.  Enough is very good (like 1-2 every other day, in my opinion as long as your cholesterol is limited.). High protein and rich in vitamins and low in calories and fat.
Title: Re: Want to live longer and healthier lives? Eat lots of vegetables and fruits!
Post by: drlmg on April 01, 2014, 12:46:09 PM
I agree on the eggs.... I refuse to believe they are as bad as most people let on....

My wife has been using some type of machine to grind / press vegetables like kale, carrots, ginger, beets, etc.... I drink a glass of that every day which is multiple servings of vegetables and fruit. I actually feel better and am not as hungry. For dinner I usually eat grilled fish (tuna, salmon, sword fish, snapper, etc.) and a reasonable serving of wild rice along with my drink.... I weigh about 185 - 190 pounds and exercise daily so I use a lot of calories but I don't get hungry after that meal till the next morning. I am hoping it is because the meal contains so many/much nutrients that a body needs, thus leaves very little for my body to crave.
Title: Re: Want to live longer and healthier lives? Eat lots of vegetables and fruits!
Post by: Chaim Ben Pesach on April 01, 2014, 12:56:48 PM
Diets also have to be adjusted per individual even based on their ethnic background and genetics.  Eskimos, who don't have access to many fruits and vegetables ate primarily fish and fats of sea animals.  When fruits and grains were introduced to them, diabetes spiked in their community.

People of middle eastern and mediterranean background would also have a customized diet that benefits them.  So not one size fits all.

However, in general, natural foods (veggies and fruits) are the best thing for one's health.  Limited grains, fish and nuts are also healthy.  Poultry better than red meat, but both should be limited.  Dairy products, it depends.  Eggs, I'm biased.  Too much is not good.  Enough is very good (like 1-2 every other day, in my opinion as long as your cholesterol is limited.). High protein and rich in vitamins and low in calories and fat.

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I agree with everything that the great Dr. Dan has written except on the subject of eggs.

The government and medical establishment recommend a daily cholesterol intake of under 300 milligrams a day for healthy people and under 200 milligrams for unhealthy people (who have heart problems, diabetes, high cholesterol levels etc.). I personally think these recommended levels are too high but let's assume that the levels are correct.

The yolk of just one egg has about 186 milligrams of cholesterol. That is roughly the maximum amount of cholesterol that an unhealthy person should eat from all foods within a 24 hour period, and it is two thirds the maximum amount of cholesterol that a healthy person should consume from all foods within a 24 period. That means that consuming just one egg will almost certainly bring a person above the maximum cholesterol level because during a 24 hour period there will be other foods that will be eaten with at least some cholesterol. In my opinion, this level of cholesterol intake every day, 365 days a year, is dangerous. I believe that the accumulated impact over the years can greatly increase the risks of heart disease and other illnesses, G-d forbid.
Title: Re: Want to live longer and healthier lives? Eat lots of vegetables and fruits!
Post by: Israel Chai on April 01, 2014, 01:40:53 PM
Rambam writes so long as you exercise strenuously every day, any food won't make you fat. While that isn't taking into account the poison they sell as food today, certainly vegetables and fruit improve your health, they clean your body. Eating fruit after a meal however is not the best. Fruit should be eaten seperately, 15 minutes at least before you eat anything else. Vegetables are good any time.



As for eggs, I've heard of doctors swearing that cholesterol is all a big scam. Besides, eggs thicken your... fluids, increasing the chance that you're going to make a girl pregnant, so honestly, I have no problem eating a dozen in a day, and it's great.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/john-berardi-phd/egss-and-health_b_3499583.html

Please read, the tirade against eggs is part of the population control healthfascists promoting soy and attacking salt (sodium-choloride is NOT salt, btw, salt has over 100 elements in it) to make men infertile.
Title: Re: Want to live longer and healthier lives? Eat lots of vegetables and fruits!
Post by: Chaim Ben Pesach on April 01, 2014, 02:20:27 PM
Rambam writes so long as you exercise strenuously every day, any food won't make you fat. While that isn't taking into account the poison they sell as food today, certainly vegetables and fruit improve your health, they clean your body. Eating fruit after a meal however is not the best. Fruit should be eaten seperately, 15 minutes at least before you eat anything else. Vegetables are good any time.



As for eggs, I've heard of doctors swearing that cholesterol is all a big scam. Besides, eggs thicken your... fluids, increasing the chance that you're going to make a girl pregnant, so honestly, I have no problem eating a dozen in a day, and it's great.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/john-berardi-phd/egss-and-health_b_3499583.html

Please read, the tirade against eggs is part of the population control healthfascists promoting soy and attacking salt (sodium-choloride is NOT salt, btw, salt has over 100 elements in it) to make men infertile.

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LKZ, any doctor who says cholesterol is a scam is a quack. There is no doubt that a high level of bad cholesterol leads to heart disease and many other illnesses. You are greatly endangering your health eating large numbers of eggs. You are still young but the effects of this will be difficult to correct in future years.

Salt can lead to high blood pressure which is another leading cause of heart disease and other deadly ailments.

As far as fertility is concerned, an unhealthy man with clogged arteries, high blood pressure and diabetes will have major problems with sexual function as he gets older.

Exercise is very good. No question about it. But exercise and a healthy diet is much better.
Title: Re: Want to live longer and healthier lives? Eat lots of vegetables and fruits!
Post by: TruthSpreader on April 01, 2014, 02:26:44 PM
No doubt about it. We need to eat more fruits and vegetables and less processed junk food.
Title: Re: Want to live longer and healthier lives? Eat lots of vegetables and fruits!
Post by: syyuge on April 01, 2014, 02:47:16 PM
After reaching 60 everybody learned automatically understands that Chaim is correct.
Title: Re: Want to live longer and healthier lives? Eat lots of vegetables and fruits!
Post by: Tag-MehirTzedek on April 01, 2014, 03:10:44 PM
"Rambam writes so long as you exercise strenuously every day, any food won't make you fat."

 I don't think he said that. He said to eat only 2/3rds till your full. Also to exercise but NOT extraneously. Get your heart rate up but the healthy range is up from normal but not too high for a long time.
Title: Re: Want to live longer and healthier lives? Eat lots of vegetables and fruits!
Post by: muman613 on April 01, 2014, 03:34:44 PM
While Rambam was a great doctor of his times, and we can glean some wisdom from his ideas, he truly is out of touch with modern medicine... He was of the belief  that blood-letting is a way of alleviating sickness...

Here are some of Rambams health advice:



http://www.torah.org/learning/mlife/healthissues3.html

Health Issues, Part III

Chapter 4, Laws 18-23

As I stated in the introduction to this chapter, the Rambam's fourth chapter is devoted almost entirely to health issues. As we saw earlier, the Ramban views maintaining one's health as a religious obligation; accordingly, he devoted a chapter of his work to medical advice. Although a fair measure of his advice is archaic, I decided for completeness' sake to translate this chapter in its entirety, offering virtually no comments of my own.

[18] One should not accustom himself to bloodletting constantly. He should only let blood if he especially needs it. He should not let blood in the summer or the rainy season, but in the springtime and a little in the fall. Beyond the age of 50, he should not let blood at all.

One should not let blood and enter the bathhouse on the same day. He should [also] not let blood and [then] travel, nor should he let blood on the day he returns from travel.

One should eat and drink less than usual on the day of his bloodletting. He should rest on that day, neither exerting himself nor walking.

[19] Semen is the strength of a person's body, his life, and the light of his eyes. Whenever too much of it goes out, his body withers, his strength wanes and his life expires (lit., "is lost"). This is what Solomon said in his wisdom, "Do not give your strength to women nor your ways to that which blots out kings" (Proverbs 31:3). Any one who is obsessed (lit., "carried away") with sex will age rapidly (lit., "old age will jump upon him"), his strength will weaken, his eyes will dim, a bad smell will emanate from from his mouth and underarms, the hair of his head, eyebrows and eylashes will fall out, the hair of his beard, underarms and his legs will increase, his teeth will fall out, and many ailments besides these will afflict him.

Doctors say that one out of a thousand dies from other ailments, whereas a thousand from too much sex. Therefore, one should be careful in this matter if he wants to live well. He should not have relations except when his body is healthy and very strong. If a person finds he has many unintentional erections even when he thinks about other matters, and he feels heavy in his loins and below, and the cords of his testicles feel stretched and his flesh warm -- such a person should have relations and this is healthful for him.

One should not have relations when he is full or hungry, but rather after his food is digested. He should check that he does not need the bathroom both before and after having relations. He should not have relations standing or sitting, nor in the bathhouse, nor on the day that he goes to the bathhouse, nor on the day he lets blood, nor on the day he intends to travel, nor on the day he returns from travel, nor on the day before or after he travels.

[20] Anyone who accustoms himself in these ways that we have taught, I guarantee him that he will not come to sickness his entire life -- so much so that he will live long (lit. "age greatly") and die without requiring a doctor. His body will be whole and healthy his entire life -- unless he was created with a defective (lit., "bad") body, he accustomed himself with one of the bad health practices [described earlier] from his birth, or if a plague or famine comes to the world.

[21] All of these good habits which we have discussed are only applicable to a healthy person. One, however, who is sick or one of his limbs is ailing, or one who formerly had an unhealthy lifestyle (lit., "who accustomed himself to a bad practice for many years"), it is appropriate for each of them to follow different ways according to his ailment, as explained in books of medicine. For changing one's regular pattern is the start of illness.

[22] Wherever there is no doctor, both the healthy and sick person should adhere to the ways we have described in this chapter, for all of these ways ultimately lead to good health (lit., "bring to good").

[23] Any city which does not have the following ten things a Torah scholar should not dwell in. They are: a doctor, a bloodletter, a bathhouse, a bathroom (meaning, a sheltered outhouse), a ready supply of water such as a river or stream, a synagogue, a teacher of children, a scribe, a custodian of the charity collections ("gabbai tsedaka"), and a court which both whips (lit., "hits")and jails.
Title: Re: Want to live longer and healthier lives? Eat lots of vegetables and fruits!
Post by: muman613 on April 01, 2014, 03:39:25 PM
Regarding food, here is Rambams rules of eating healthy...

http://www.torah.org/learning/mlife/ch4laws917.html

Health Issues, Part II

Chapter 4, Laws 9-17

As I stated in the introduction to this chapter, the Rambam's fourth chapter is devoted almost entirely to health issues. As we saw earlier, the Ramban views maintaining one's health as a religious obligation; accordingly, he devoted a chapter of his work to medical advice. Although a fair measure of his advice is archaic, I decided for completeness' sake to translate this chapter in its entirety, offering virtually no comments of my own.

[9] There are foods which are particularly unhealthful, which one should never eat -- such as large, old, salted fish, old salted cheese, mushrooms, old salted meat, grape juice (lit., "wine from its vat"), and a cooked dish which was left out so long it emits its odor. The same is true of any food which is foul smelling or exceedingly bitter. Such are as poison (lit., "a drug of death") to the body.

There are other foods which are harmful but not as bad as the first ones. Therefore, a person should eat them only in small quantities and on rare intervals (lit., "after many days"). He should [also] not accustom himself to making his meal of them or regularly eating them together with his meal. [These are foods] such as large fish, cheese, milk 24 hours after it was milked, meat of large oxen and large he-goats, beans ("pul"), lentils, "safir" (Jastrow: a species of bean), barley bread, matzah, cabbage, leek, onions, garlic, mustard, and radishes. All these foods are harmful. It is not appropriate for one to eat them except in very small amounts during the rainy season. But not during the rainy season one should not eat them at all. Beans and lentils alone one should eat neither in summer nor in the rainy season. Gourds / pumpkins ("delu'in") one should eat a little of in the summer.

[10] There are [other] foods which are harmful but not as much as the [above]. They are: waterfowl, small doves, dates, bread roasted in or kneaded with oil, flour sifted so finely it does not even have a hint (lit., "scent") of bran, fish brine, and pickled fish-hash ("moris"). One should not eat such foods excessively. A person who is wise, who subdues his evil inclination, and who is not drawn after his desires, and who [as a result] does not eat any of the aforementioned foods at all (except for medical reasons) is considered strong.

[11] One should refrain from [eating] tree fruits. He should not eat too many of them, even dried and certainly fresh. Before they ripen entirely they are as swords to the body. So too, carobs are always harmful. All sour fruit are harmful. One should eat only a bit of them in the summer and in hot climates. Figs, grapes and almonds are always beneficial, both fresh and dry. One may eat of them as much as he wants (lit., "all his need"). Nevertheless, one should not eat them constantly even though they are the best of all tree fruits.

[12] Honey and wine are bad for children and good for the elderly, certainly in the rainy season.

One should eat in the summer two thirds of what he eats during the rainy season.

[13] One should always attempt to have his bowels loose, a little bit close to diarrhea. An important principle in medicine is that whenever a person does not have a bowel movement or does so only with difficulty, many sicknesses result.

How should one loosen his stomach if it has become a little tight? If he is young, he should eat every morning salted, spiced, boiled vegetables with oil, fish brine and salt and without bread. Alternatively, he should drink the broth of cooked beets or cabbage together with oil, salt and fish brine. An older person should drink honey mixed with warm water in the morning. He should then wait about four hours and eat his meal. He should do this day after day for three or four days if needed until his bowels loosen.

[14] Another principle is stated regarding the body's health. Whenever a person works and exerts himself greatly when he is not full and his stomach is loose (i.e., not constipated), he will not get sick and his strength will increase -- even if he [previously] ate unhealthy foods.

[15] [Conversely], anyone who relaxes (lit., "who sits securely") and does not exert himself or someone who delays going to the bathroom or who is constipated, even if he eats healthy food and takes care of his health, all his days will be with aches and his strength will diminish.

Excessive overeating (lit., "heavy eating") is as poison to a person's entire body. This is a basic principle regarding all illnesses.

Most illnesses which afflict people are only the result of unhealthy food or because a person fills his stomach and excessively overeats -- even healthy foods. This is as Solomon said in his wisdom, "[One who] guards his mouth and tongue saves his soul from affliction" (Proverbs 21:23). Namely, [this refers to] one who guards his mouth from eating unhealthy foods or from [over-]satiation, and his tongue from speaking [matters] other than his needs.

[16] The way to bathe is that a person enter the bathhouse every seven days. He should not enter shortly after eating nor when he is hungry but rather when his food begins to be digested. He should wash his entire body with hot water [but] not so hot that it burns the body. He should wash his head alone with water which does burn the body. Afterwards, he should wash his body with warm water, then with [progressively] cooler water until he washes with cold water. On his head, he should not use warm or cool water at all.

One should not wash in cold water in the rainy season. He should not wash until he sweats and wears out (lit., "crushes") his entire body. One should not spend too long in the bathhouse, rather after he sweats and wears out his body, he should rinse off and leave.

One should check if he needs the bathroom both before entering the bathhouse and after leaving it. He should likewise check himself regularly both before and after eating. Likewise both before and after having relations, before and after exerting oneself, and before and after going to sleep -- in total ten times.

[17] When a person leaves the bathhouse he should dress and cover his head in the outer room so that he won't be affected by cold air (lit., "the cold wind will not prevail over him"). Even in the summer one must be careful [in this regard].

One should wait after leaving until his soul is restored, his body is rested, and the heat has left him. He should then eat. If he sleeps a little upon exiting the bathhouse before eating it is exceptionally good. One should not drink cold water upon exiting the bathhouse, and it goes without saying that he shouldn't drink in the bathhouse. If one is thirsty when he departs and cannot wait (lit., "cannot restrain himself"), he should mix water with wine or honey and drink.

If one anoints [himself] with oil in the bathhouse during the rainy season after rinsing himself off it is good.
Title: Re: Want to live longer and healthier lives? Eat lots of vegetables and fruits!
Post by: angryChineseKahanist on April 01, 2014, 03:44:28 PM
I eat a lot of dark green vegetables and fish.
Still need some meat for vitamins.
Title: Re: Want to live longer and healthier lives? Eat lots of vegetables and fruits!
Post by: Tag-MehirTzedek on April 01, 2014, 06:05:13 PM
Soda and donuts.
Title: Re: Want to live longer and healthier lives? Eat lots of vegetables and fruits!
Post by: muman613 on April 01, 2014, 06:07:37 PM
Soda and donuts.

Breakfast!

Title: Re: Want to live longer and healthier lives? Eat lots of vegetables and fruits!
Post by: Tag-MehirTzedek on April 01, 2014, 06:13:59 PM
Breakfast!

 Na, midnight snacks.
Title: Re: Want to live longer and healthier lives? Eat lots of vegetables and fruits!
Post by: Israel Chai on April 01, 2014, 10:18:27 PM
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LKZ, any doctor who says cholesterol is a scam is a quack. There is no doubt that a high level of bad cholesterol leads to heart disease and many other illnesses. You are greatly endangering your health eating large numbers of eggs. You are still young but the effects of this will be difficult to correct in future years.

Salt can lead to high blood pressure which is another leading cause of heart disease and other deadly ailments.

As far as fertility is concerned, an unhealthy man with clogged arteries, high blood pressure and diabetes will have major problems with sexual function as he gets older.

Exercise is very good. No question about it. But exercise and a healthy diet is much better.

There are no doctors who claim that having high levels of blood cholesterol is neutral/good. To illustrate my point further, there are no doctors who claim that having a highly acidic blood steam is good, however, 10 lemons a day won't increase your blood's acidity, because that's not how it becomes acidic; things like sugar and chemicals will increase blood acidity because they're broken down like that, and don't get processed like naturally occurring acids will. What I'm saying is that while the cream cake with whipped cream will increase your cholesterol, things like eggs and meat won't, even though on the books they will usually have higher numbers on cholesterol.

I didn't want to be forceful, but there are literally thousands of doctors and scientists concluding that all the scares on eggs was a scam. Here's another: http://www.livescience.com/39353-eggs-dont-deserve-bad-reputation.html and I can provide hundreds more, as well as original research, and no doctor can prove anywhere in the world that eating more than one egg a day has any co-relation whatsoever with increased cholesterol or heart disease, since it is a junk-science scam http://www.webmd.com/food-recipes/features/eggs-dietary-friend-foe


The inquisition against salt, the most important foodstuff in male development, is a scam on par with the Nazis' plan of dumping chemicals and sucrose in tobacco, and putting dangerous "pesticides" in the fields (which continues today, except the pesticides are now radioactive).

In France, doctors prescribe high daily doses of salt FOR sufferers of high blood pressure. By what you've said, you've likely never eaten salt. To illustrate, salt is always moist, due to the high levels of magnesium, and salt-extract (which this article calls "processed salt" http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2011/09/20/salt-myth.aspx) will instantly make your mouth dry, as it sucks up water. Calling the "table" "sea" "lake" or armpit salt they sell at the stores "salt", which has most of the elements removed from it and sold to pharmaceutical companies "salt" is like calling the citric acid they extract from fruits and call "vitamin C" in the chemical drinks like "orange" juice in the stores (which your body rejects automatically, since it can't be broken down) "oranges".

There are twice as many doctors who praise actual salt than eggs, and all the ones that aren't mega corporate sell-outs typically do.

G-d forbid I ever have to have health problems due to high cholesterol or blood pressure, thank you very much. At any rate, I don't eat toxic waste and salt-extract, I eat natural foods as G-d created them and as people have eaten without problems for all of human history, so with that and G-d's protection G-d willing I don't have to "understand" in the way implied here twice.
Title: Re: Want to live longer and healthier lives? Eat lots of vegetables and fruits!
Post by: Israel Chai on April 01, 2014, 10:38:02 PM
Heart problems are not for me, I'm really disturbed, no one puts horrible thoughts like that on me. Anyways, I shouldn't be upset because salt is great http://www.foodnavigator.com/Science-Nutrition/Mineral-salts-in-diet-could-cut-blood-pressure-finds-Finnish-study but I don't want anyone ever thinking about me and something that horrible in the same sentence. Bah.
Title: Re: Want to live longer and healthier lives? Eat lots of vegetables and fruits!
Post by: Tag-MehirTzedek on April 02, 2014, 01:14:13 AM
Serious now (April fools is over), minimize going to the doctors. Limit any intake of drugs even Tylenol and such.
Title: Re: Want to live longer and healthier lives? Eat lots of vegetables and fruits!
Post by: Israel Chai on April 02, 2014, 01:15:27 AM
Serious now (April fools is over), minimize going to the doctors. Limit any intake of drugs even Tylenol and such.

Never touch tynenol, but doctors are fine. I don't really go unless there's a problem, which is extremely rare. Why "minimize"?
Title: Re: Want to live longer and healthier lives? Eat lots of vegetables and fruits!
Post by: angryChineseKahanist on April 02, 2014, 01:22:49 AM
Soda and donuts.

Officer Tag was I speeding?

Title: Re: Want to live longer and healthier lives? Eat lots of vegetables and fruits!
Post by: Tag-MehirTzedek on April 02, 2014, 01:39:46 AM
Never touch tynenol, but doctors are fine. I don't really go unless there's a problem, which is extremely rare. Why "minimize"?

 They will give you pills that are mostly junk. Possibly fix something in the short run but put your body off balance in the long run. I said minimize not eliminate entirely. If one can go by without some of the medications the better.
Title: Re: Want to live longer and healthier lives? Eat lots of vegetables and fruits!
Post by: Israel Chai on April 02, 2014, 01:43:36 AM
They will give you pills that are mostly junk. Possibly fix something in the short run but put your body off balance in the long run. I said minimize not eliminate entirely. If one can go by without some of the medications the better.

Yeah they do. Flush them. Their medical expertise is still invaluable.
Title: Re: Want to live longer and healthier lives? Eat lots of vegetables and fruits!
Post by: syyuge on April 02, 2014, 05:18:21 AM
The salts that incorporate the Sodium and especially the Sodium Chloride in more than normal quantities are harmful for BP and heart. On the contrary the Magnesium and Potassium salts when used within prescribed limits are very much helpful to the BP, Heart and overall body mechanism. 

The regular and enough exercise, sufficient physical labor and/or fibers present in the vegetables either control the absorption of excess food cholesterol in the body or break it down in to other substances useful for the body.

So more than one egg a day may be justified, provided the person walks or jogs at moderate speeds for a distance of 2 Kilometers for each extra egg.           
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Post by: Spiraling Leopard on April 02, 2014, 06:48:51 AM
http://www.jewsnews.co.il/2013/08/27/world-renowned-heart-surgeon-speaks-out-on-what-really-causes-heart-disease/
Title: Re: Want to live longer and healthier lives? Eat lots of vegetables and fruits!
Post by: Chaim Ben Pesach on April 02, 2014, 07:44:21 AM
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You guys worry me. At least since the 1950s, we have known that high levels of cholesterol and saturated fat are the two leading causes of heart disease and early death for non-smokers. For smokers, you can add a third leading cause.

Eating eggs, chicken fat, fatty meats, dairy products, foods loaded with processed sugar and fried foods clogs the arteries. Clogged arteries lead to heart attacks and strokes.

The level of danger is also influenced by other factors such as heredity, age, exercise, weight and stress. But the danger is real. The hundreds of studies proving that bad diet clogs the arteries and kills people are not a hoax.

When I was a teenager, most people ate meat every day, sometimes twice a day. Steaks, hamburgers and frankfurters were especially popular. Today many people have cut down on their consumption of meat as well as other dangerous foods like cakes, candies, ice cream, cookies, cheeses, milk and so on. The result? People live an average of ten years longer today than in the 1960s and 1970s. Also people live much higher quality lives: when I was a kid most people were old, sick and tired at age 60, today there are many people in their 80s who are healthy and energetic.
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Post by: Ben Yehuda on April 02, 2014, 08:31:57 AM
Fish and fish eggs are great. Salmon, herring, sable, trout and sardines are great- just not salted. Red meat in moderation (once a week) is fine- women, especially, need the iron. Watch out for salty meats (e.g., corned beef, pastrami, etc.), usually doused in nitrates and nitrites that promote pancreatic cancer, in particular. Same goes for most lunch meats.

Keep your carbohydrates to a minimum, except for fruits and vegetables, which, as Chaim states, are very beneficial. Bread, rice, and noodles are bad. When you eat these in combination with cholesterol/saturated fats you burn the carbs and store the fats- bad. When your carbohydrate reserves are low you burn fats- much more efficient and healthy. Sugar is the enemy.

Eat organic if you can. The chemicals (e.g., hormones, antibiotics, preservatives, etc.) in most conventional food are very damaging to your immunity and cellular metabolism. Probiotics- good.

Drink water- period. A cup of organic coffee a day perhaps, a glass of wine here and there perhaps, is good. BTW- I witnessed and participated in many hospital autopsies and noted that alcoholics' blood vessels were as smooth as a baby's; however, their livers were a mess. Fruit juices, widely touted as healthy, simply have too much sugar- avoid it. BTW- NYC has some of the best water available- from the mountains of upstate NY. We tested it in the clinical labs at The Mount Sinai Hospital (c. 1992), and it was clean as a whistle.

Exercise is vital- an intense 30 minute "cardio" type workout 4-5x/week is great. Meditation- ooooh- has been shown to be beneficial. Studies have shown an association with lower blood pressure and cortisol (stress hormone) levels.

Some of you may be able to keep a strict regimen, others may not, but at least have something to strive for.

On the humorous side, when asked the secret to his longevity, George Burns replied "Eat half."
Title: Re: Want to live longer and healthier lives? Eat lots of vegetables and fruits!
Post by: Irish Zionist on April 02, 2014, 09:06:23 AM
I don't eat many healthy foods but I'm not near overweight as I exercise 1-2 times a day (walking, jogging, cycling)
Can anyone recommend what foods to eat if you exercise like me and is it better to eat first then exercise?
Also I don't believe in all these junk vitamin pills so don't even bother to  recommend me any of those or any pills for that matter, only food. Thanks.
Title: Re: Want to live longer and healthier lives? Eat lots of vegetables and fruits!
Post by: Chaim Ben Pesach on April 02, 2014, 09:46:41 AM
Fish and fish eggs are great. Salmon, herring, sable, trout and sardines are great- just not salted. Red meat in moderation (once a week) is fine- women, especially, need the iron. Watch out for salty meats (e.g., corned beef, pastrami, etc.), usually doused in nitrates and nitrites that promote pancreatic cancer, in particular. Same goes for most lunch meats.

Keep your carbohydrates to a minimum, except for fruits and vegetables, which, as Chaim states, are very beneficial. Bread, rice, and noodles are bad. When you eat these in combination with cholesterol/saturated fats you burn the carbs and store the fats- bad. When your carbohydrate reserves are low you burn fats- much more efficient and healthy. Sugar is the enemy.

Eat organic if you can. The chemicals (e.g., hormones, antibiotics, preservatives, etc.) in most conventional food are very damaging to your immunity and cellular metabolism. Probiotics- good.

Drink water- period. A cup of organic coffee a day perhaps, a glass of wine here and there perhaps, is good. BTW- I witnessed and participated in many hospital autopsies and noted that alcoholics' blood vessels were as smooth as a baby's; however, their livers were a mess. Fruit juices, widely touted as healthy, simply have too much sugar- avoid it. BTW- NYC has some of the best water available- from the mountains of upstate NY. We tested it in the clinical labs at The Mount Sinai Hospital (c. 1992), and it was clean as a whistle.

Exercise is vital- an intense 30 minute "cardio" type workout 4-5x/week is great. Meditation- ooooh- has been shown to be beneficial. Studies have shown an association with lower blood pressure and cortisol (stress hormone) levels.

Some of you may be able to keep a strict regimen, others may not, but at least have something to strive for.

On the humorous side, when asked the secret to his longevity, George Burns replied "Eat half."

בס''ד

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Title: Re: Want to live longer and healthier lives? Eat lots of vegetables and fruits!
Post by: Tag-MehirTzedek on April 02, 2014, 10:17:30 AM
I don't eat many healthy foods but I'm not near overweight as I exercise 1-2 times a day (walking, jogging, cycling)
Can anyone recommend what foods to eat if you exercise like me and is it better to eat first then exercise?
Also I don't believe in all these junk vitamin pills so don't even bother to  recommend me any of those or any pills for that matter, only food. Thanks.

 Coffee before exercise. Definitely gives a great boost.
Title: Re: Want to live longer and healthier lives? Eat lots of vegetables and fruits!
Post by: Ben Yehuda on April 02, 2014, 10:35:56 AM
בס''ד

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Thanks Chaim; I was feeling prolific.  ;D
Title: Re: Want to live longer and healthier lives? Eat lots of vegetables and fruits!
Post by: nessuno on April 02, 2014, 11:29:11 AM
I agree with Chaim.  That was a great post Ben Yehuda.

My mother always gave the same advice as George Burns....eat less.  She didn't think losing weight was rocket science.   :)
Title: Re: Want to live longer and healthier lives? Eat lots of vegetables and fruits!
Post by: nessuno on April 02, 2014, 11:31:03 AM
Coffee before exercise. Definitely gives a great boost.
Is taking caffeine before exercise the best thing?
Title: Re: Want to live longer and healthier lives? Eat lots of vegetables and fruits!
Post by: Tag-MehirTzedek on April 02, 2014, 11:54:12 AM
Is taking caffeine before exercise the best thing?

 I think so. Get a great boost for sure. For example if playing basketball or something else, you get more energy and stamina.
Title: Re: Want to live longer and healthier lives? Eat lots of vegetables and fruits!
Post by: Irish Zionist on April 02, 2014, 12:08:29 PM
Coffee before exercise. Definitely gives a great boost.
Coffee is a smelly drug that I will never drink. I know people who can't wake up properly without a cup of coffee.
Title: Re: Want to live longer and healthier lives? Eat lots of vegetables and fruits!
Post by: Tag-MehirTzedek on April 02, 2014, 12:33:44 PM
Coffee is a smelly drug that I will never drink. I know people who can't wake up properly without a cup of coffee.

 Energy boost + antioxidants. Tastes awesome as well.
Title: Re: Want to live longer and healthier lives? Eat lots of vegetables and fruits!
Post by: Irish Zionist on April 02, 2014, 01:35:04 PM
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Title: Re: Want to live longer and healthier lives? Eat lots of vegetables and fruits!
Post by: Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks on April 02, 2014, 01:37:45 PM
Tylenol is poison. Occasionally I take aspirin.
Title: Re: Want to live longer and healthier lives? Eat lots of vegetables and fruits!
Post by: Irish Zionist on April 02, 2014, 02:16:38 PM
Tylenol is poison. Occasionally I take aspirin.
I don't take any pills, they are too much of a risk in the long term.
Title: Re: Want to live longer and healthier lives? Eat lots of vegetables and fruits!
Post by: angryChineseKahanist on April 02, 2014, 02:30:01 PM
Not everyone feels great when taking coffee before exercise.
But I don't see why coffee is so bad.
I drink tea mostly though.
I sometimes have coffee and always black. I never add sugar to coffee or tea.


Title: Re: Want to live longer and healthier lives? Eat lots of vegetables and fruits!
Post by: Ben Yehuda on April 02, 2014, 02:46:10 PM
Coffee- everything in moderation, like a cup a day, no more or none at all, organic, black preferably. Stay hydrated, however, since it will cause you to go. Stay away from all those  "energy" drinks.
Title: Re: Want to live longer and healthier lives? Eat lots of vegetables and fruits!
Post by: Israel Chai on April 02, 2014, 03:11:12 PM
Coffee- everything in moderation, like a cup a day, no more or none at all, organic, black preferably. Stay hydrated, however, since it will cause you to go. Stay away from all those  "energy" drinks.

Coffee kills adrenaline. It's not good.
Title: Re: Want to live longer and healthier lives? Eat lots of vegetables and fruits!
Post by: muman613 on April 02, 2014, 03:15:11 PM
I've said this before.... It is my opinion (based on observation) that genetics are the best way of determining longevity. I notice that those who have ancestors who lived to be in their 90s will usually make it to their 90s.... Those whose parents died younger will probably die younger.

I don't have longevity in my family unfortunately. Nobody has lived to their 90s.... My father passed at 75, his mother died younger than that... Both died of cancers... His father died of a heart attack or stroke in his 70s.

Environmental factors are important, but they are not (again according to my observation) the ultimate way to determine your longevity.

Title: Re: Want to live longer and healthier lives? Eat lots of vegetables and fruits!
Post by: Zelhar on April 02, 2014, 05:07:33 PM
I don't eat many healthy foods but I'm not near overweight as I exercise 1-2 times a day (walking, jogging, cycling)
Can anyone recommend what foods to eat if you exercise like me and is it better to eat first then exercise?
Also I don't believe in all these junk vitamin pills so don't even bother to  recommend me any of those or any pills for that matter, only food. Thanks.
I think before cycling or similar high intensity work out you can eat a sweet fruit like a couple of dates or a banana, that's what I often do. Don't feel up your stomach though. If you want to grow muscles eat your daily proteins after workout, lean proteins and some slow carbs like whole wheat, whole rice etc. If your protein source is vegan then you need to make sure you get all the required amino acids by combining grain with beans/legume such as rice and lentil for example, or eat something with soy which has all the amino acids in itself.
Title: Re: Want to live longer and healthier lives? Eat lots of vegetables and fruits!
Post by: Israel Chai on April 02, 2014, 06:30:28 PM
I think before cycling or similar high intensity work out you can eat a sweet fruit like a couple of dates or a banana, that's what I often do. Don't feel up your stomach though. If you want to grow muscles eat your daily proteins after workout, lean proteins and some slow carbs like whole wheat, whole rice etc. If your protein source is vegan then you need to make sure you get all the required amino acids by combining grain with beans/legume such as rice and lentil for example, or eat something with soy which has all the amino acids in itself.

Do you know any health science? Soy is the most incomplete protein you'll find. You'll get more amino acids if you eat your skin. Also, it has the most naturally occurring toxins out of any plant in nature, mostly a compound which mimics estrogen, which kills testosterone, and that means less muscles, and more being a [censored]. No eggs, [actual] salt, and lots of soy. You guys have really drank the commie cool-aid. Say this crap to mudrats, not to Jews. Half of what is here has been as thoroughly refuted as blood letting. The highest amino acid counts are found in hemp hearts [or seeds, but hearts are best], and whey is also alright. Even a chick pea will have a higher amino acid count than stupid soy. Buddhists used to consume soy to help keep celibate. You don't think there a reason why they have tiny...
Title: Re: Want to live longer and healthier lives? Eat lots of vegetables and fruits!
Post by: Every Jew AK47 on April 02, 2014, 06:45:56 PM
Coffee- everything in moderation, like a cup a day, no more or none at all, organic, black preferably. Stay hydrated, however, since it will cause you to go. Stay away from all those  "energy" drinks.
Coffee does not kill adrenaline, pure isolated caffeine does, but coffee as a whole has properties that enhance neurological functioning, provide antioxidant benefits and have energy boosting properties and are endurance enhancing.  The nutrients in coffee as a whole will help regulate the absorption of the caffeine into the body and reduce any stress on the adrenal glands.. There is a large misconception and studies where they showed adrenal stress were performed with the isolated caffeine molecule rather than the coffee plant as a whole.  Indeed, pure caffeine is bad for you, but even pure isolated antioxidants and many other substances can be bad for you.  THey've done studies that men who drink 2 or 3 cups of coffee have a much lower incidence of prostate cancer.  They've also done studies that people who drink coffee on a regular basis have lower incidences of Alzheimer's disease.

Also, fruit is not as healthy as people think.. Too much fruit can cause diabetes, cancer , viral and bacterial infections.  Fruit contains high concentrations of fructose which results in blood sugar spikes and stresses the immune system.  Fructose is the most toxic form of sugar and strains the liver more than glucose..

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2010/01/02/highfructose-corn-syrup-alters-human-metabolism.aspx

Eating a diet high in vegetables and grains grown in nutrient rich soils would be the healthiest type of diet.  Eating fruit like blueberries in moderation would also be helpful, but a diet high in fruit will cause problems.   Many people think Steve Jobs's fruitarian diet is what caused his pancreatic cancer.

Title: Re: Want to live longer and healthier lives? Eat lots of vegetables and fruits!
Post by: muman613 on April 02, 2014, 06:53:40 PM
Sounds to me like everyone has their own answer to what is healthy... This mimics my complaints against the entire scientific and medical community. Every few years they modify what they think is healthy and what they think is not healthy, and things move back and forth depending on what is trendy for the times.

Eggs are good, eggs are bad, eggs are good, eggs are bad. Salt is good, Salt is bad, Salt is good, Salt is bad...

Ad nauseum.

Title: Re: Want to live longer and healthier lives? Eat lots of vegetables and fruits!
Post by: IsraelForever on April 02, 2014, 07:03:28 PM
To quote Jackie Mason:  "It's not a matter of staying healthy anymore.  It's a matter of picking a disease you like!"
Title: Re: Want to live longer and healthier lives? Eat lots of vegetables and fruits!
Post by: Every Jew AK47 on April 02, 2014, 07:06:03 PM
Sounds to me like everyone has their own answer to what is healthy... This mimics my complaints against the entire scientific and medical community. Every few years they modify what they think is healthy and what they think is not healthy, and things move back and forth depending on what is trendy for the times.

Eggs are good, eggs are bad, eggs are good, eggs are bad. Salt is good, Salt is bad, Salt is good, Salt is bad...

Ad nauseum.

Eggs from soy-free/corn-free free ranged chickens fed a diet of bugs with dark colored yolks is good..  High Omega 3 and many other nutrients including Phosphatidyl Cholines, Serines , Lucines, Vitamin A, B ,etc..    Egg whites are one of the most complete and bioavailable sources of protein.

Salt is good that is not processed and heated up to 2000C like most sea salts..  Salt like Himalayan Salt is not only good for you, but is really essential for human life.. Only in the last 100 years have humans been eating processed salts , which are heated treated and have a molecular structure that is mutated by the process.  It is not salt that is bad for you, but the type of synthetically/heat processed salt we have today.    Remember, you do not live in a natural environment anymore, but one where even simple foods like tomatos are now bioengineered .

For example, I got in a big debate at the synagogue I was attending a while back because I told them the Kosher Tomatoes they are using are GMO and have pig genes inserted into them to produce higher yield and increase growth.  Considering, I challenged the integrity of the Kosher certifier and the synagogue, I was shot down and told that just because the tomatoes have pig genes in them, doesn't make them non-kosher.  I don't know aobut you , but I don't like eating anything with pig genes.   Especially when you splice the gene of a plant and modify the molecular structure to bind it with a pig.
Title: Re: Want to live longer and healthier lives? Eat lots of vegetables and fruits!
Post by: Zelhar on April 02, 2014, 07:15:51 PM
The conventional health science is what I go by, according to which, soybean is a complete protein. You also mix up two unrelated things- soybean toxicity and the the phytoestrogen it contains are two different issues. The raw beans contain toxins- which are neutralized by cooking. Lots of beans are toxic in their uncooked state. Soybean has been cultivated and consumed by Asian civilisations for thousands of years as a staple food, not as some rare celibacy diet for monks. As you must know, the far east has been the most heavily populated place on earth for the past couple of millennia , so I think your theory about soy and fertility doesn't hold water.
 
Do you know any health science? Soy is the most incomplete protein you'll find. You'll get more amino acids if you eat your skin. Also, it has the most naturally occurring toxins out of any plant in nature, mostly a compound which mimics estrogen, which kills testosterone, and that means less muscles, and more being a [censored]. No eggs, [actual] salt, and lots of soy. You guys have really drank the commie cool-aid. Say this crap to mudrats, not to Jews. Half of what is here has been as thoroughly refuted as blood letting. The highest amino acid counts are found in hemp hearts [or seeds, but hearts are best], and whey is also alright. Even a chick pea will have a higher amino acid count than stupid soy. Buddhists used to consume soy to help keep celibate. You don't think there a reason why they have tiny...
Title: Re: Want to live longer and healthier lives? Eat lots of vegetables and fruits!
Post by: Israel Chai on April 02, 2014, 07:44:47 PM
Coffee does not kill adrenaline, pure isolated caffeine does, but coffee as a whole has properties that enhance neurological functioning, provide antioxidant benefits and have energy boosting properties and are endurance enhancing.  The nutrients in coffee as a whole will help regulate the absorption of the caffeine into the body and reduce any stress on the adrenal glands.. There is a large misconception and studies where they showed adrenal stress were performed with the isolated caffeine molecule rather than the coffee plant as a whole.  Indeed, pure caffeine is bad for you, but even pure isolated antioxidants and many other substances can be bad for you.  THey've done studies that men who drink 2 or 3 cups of coffee have a much lower incidence of prostate cancer.  They've also done studies that people who drink coffee on a regular basis have lower incidences of Alzheimer's disease.

Also, fruit is not as healthy as people think.. Too much fruit can cause diabetes, cancer , viral and bacterial infections.  Fruit contains high concentrations of fructose which results in blood sugar spikes and stresses the immune system.  Fructose is the most toxic form of sugar and strains the liver more than glucose..

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2010/01/02/highfructose-corn-syrup-alters-human-metabolism.aspx

Eating a diet high in vegetables and grains grown in nutrient rich soils would be the healthiest type of diet.  Eating fruit like blueberries in moderation would also be helpful, but a diet high in fruit will cause problems.   Many people think Steve Jobs's fruitarian diet is what caused his pancreatic cancer.

Complete junk science. Fruitcose in chemical snacks is extracted, much like "salt", and your body can't digest it, so yes it's much worse. In the chemical drinks, you would have to leave the juice in your mouth for 10 seconds per gulp for the saliva to break it down. In fruits, your body digests it, and it's the best thing for you. Eating fruits only is of course retarded.

You just admitted that caffiene kills adrenaline. The corporate "scientists" are all yacking about how great coffee, chocolate and computer games are today, but it's a gigantic lie based on "studies" of a few hundred people, and they "observe" that those who said they drink coffee are much healthier. If the study doesn't prove their lie, they test another hundred people. Coffee=drink with caffeine=kills adrenaline. You'll get more antioxidants in one blueberry than enough coffee to go into shock.

Fruit is harmful if eaten with food. Alone, it cleans your body (you don't want it to clean food you just ate, or that food will be spoiled in you) and is always good, though an overdose of anything is toxic, even water.
Title: Re: Want to live longer and healthier lives? Eat lots of vegetables and fruits!
Post by: Israel Chai on April 02, 2014, 07:47:28 PM
Eggs from soy-free/corn-free free ranged chickens fed a diet of bugs with dark colored yolks is good..  High Omega 3 and many other nutrients including Phosphatidyl Cholines, Serines , Lucines, Vitamin A, B ,etc..    Egg whites are one of the most complete and bioavailable sources of protein.

Salt is good that is not processed and heated up to 2000C like most sea salts..  Salt like Himalayan Salt is not only good for you, but is really essential for human life.. Only in the last 100 years have humans been eating processed salts , which are heated treated and have a molecular structure that is mutated by the process.  It is not salt that is bad for you, but the type of synthetically/heat processed salt we have today.    Remember, you do not live in a natural environment anymore, but one where even simple foods like tomatos are now bioengineered .

For example, I got in a big debate at the synagogue I was attending a while back because I told them the Kosher Tomatoes they are using are GMO and have pig genes inserted into them to produce higher yield and increase growth.  Considering, I challenged the integrity of the Kosher certifier and the synagogue, I was shot down and told that just because the tomatoes have pig genes in them, doesn't make them non-kosher.  I don't know aobut you , but I don't like eating anything with pig genes.   Especially when you splice the gene of a plant and modify the molecular structure to bind it with a pig.

Completely agree. Furthermore, while naturally occuring wheat has 13 chromosomes, the half-spider wheat has 7, so it would be a foaming retard as a person, and is not to be considered kosher in the best challah, and is 100% harmful, better to eat mud, which at least has nutrients without killing you, you'll just get sick now.
Title: Re: Want to live longer and healthier lives? Eat lots of vegetables and fruits!
Post by: Tag-MehirTzedek on April 02, 2014, 08:02:43 PM

For example, I got in a big debate at the synagogue I was attending a while back because I told them the Kosher Tomatoes they are using are GMO and have pig genes inserted into them to produce higher yield and increase growth.  Considering, I challenged the integrity of the Kosher certifier and the synagogue, I was shot down and told that just because the tomatoes have pig genes in them, doesn't make them non-kosher.  I don't know aobut you , but I don't like eating anything with pig genes.   Especially when you splice the gene of a plant and modify the molecular structure to bind it with a pig.

 Oops, I see that what I wrote didn't go thorough, but I was going to tell you that it IS KOSHER.
Title: Re: Want to live longer and healthier lives? Eat lots of vegetables and fruits!
Post by: Tag-MehirTzedek on April 02, 2014, 08:10:50 PM
Completely agree. Furthermore, while naturally occuring wheat has 13 chromosomes, the half-spider wheat has 7, so it would be a foaming retard as a person, and is not to be considered kosher in the best challah, and is 100% harmful, better to eat mud, which at least has nutrients without killing you, you'll just get sick now.

  Don't know what this is, but if it is wheat then it is Kosher. We don't make up new Halachot and cannot twist the rulings of what is kosher and what is not.
 Wheat is Kosher and that is it (unless Orla issues) also unless another law having to do with "old (Kemah Yoshon)  vs. new" wheat, but you don't really need to worry about it in the U.S. where the majority are not new and unless you specifically know when the wheat was cut, then you don't have a problem.
Title: Re: Want to live longer and healthier lives? Eat lots of vegetables and fruits!
Post by: Israel Chai on April 02, 2014, 09:13:08 PM
  Don't know what this is, but if it is wheat then it is Kosher. We don't make up new Halachot and cannot twist the rulings of what is kosher and what is not.
 Wheat is Kosher and that is it (unless Orla issues) also unless another law having to do with "old (Kemah Yoshon)  vs. new" wheat, but you don't really need to worry about it in the U.S. where the majority are not new and unless you specifically know when the wheat was cut, then you don't have a problem.

Not new. Old wheat and old spider. Together. GMO wheat is illegal in USA, but it shows up everywhere, because Monsanto enforces laws on themselves, like Eric the sloth Holder http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2013-05-30/genetically-modified-wheat-isnt-supposed-to-exist-dot-so-what-is-it-doing-in-oregon
Title: Re: Want to live longer and healthier lives? Eat lots of vegetables and fruits!
Post by: Tag-MehirTzedek on April 02, 2014, 09:39:58 PM
Not new. Old wheat and old spider. Together. GMO wheat is illegal in USA, but it shows up everywhere, because Monsanto enforces laws on themselves, like Eric the sloth Holder http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2013-05-30/genetically-modified-wheat-isnt-supposed-to-exist-dot-so-what-is-it-doing-in-oregon

 Not "new" is good,  that's what its supposed to be. What does that mean? Genetically? If soo, its not a problem (in regards to Kashrut, don't know how it would or should be regarded health wise. But Kashrut being concerned it is KOSHER.
Title: Re: Want to live longer and healthier lives? Eat lots of vegetables and fruits!
Post by: White Israelite on April 02, 2014, 09:56:11 PM
I have been eating lots of fruits lately, apples, oranges, grapes, kiwi, fruit drinks made from the blender.
Title: Re: Want to live longer and healthier lives? Eat lots of vegetables and fruits!
Post by: Lisa on April 02, 2014, 10:09:12 PM
Guys, I'm down a dress size!!!

I had to give lots of my clothing to my older sister. 

I read the book "Eat To Live" and started doing a modified version of what the author recommends.  So my diet now is similar to how Chaim eats.  But I do drink some coffee, and have dairy and eggs once in a while. 

I actually had to add some dairy back into my diet because my nails have been chipping and splitting every week.  At one point, I got these painful cracks in the side corners of my mouth.  I read online that the cause is a deficiency in B vitamins. 

So no more cracks in the corners of my mouth. 

Now since we're discussing vegetables, my mother was telling me to go easy on the dark green vegetables (such as kale) because they can cause kidney stones.  Apparently vegetables like kale and swiss chard contain a substance called oxalates.   Does anyone know about oxalates, and how to avoid possibly getting kidney stones later in life?

Thanks.

Title: Re: Want to live longer and healthier lives? Eat lots of vegetables and fruits!
Post by: Every Jew AK47 on April 02, 2014, 10:16:50 PM
Complete junk science. Fruitcose in chemical snacks is extracted, much like "salt", and your body can't digest it, so yes it's much worse. In the chemical drinks, you would have to leave the juice in your mouth for 10 seconds per gulp for the saliva to break it down. In fruits, your body digests it, and it's the best thing for you. Eating fruits only is of course retarded.

Can you prove to me that fructose from fruits is healthy for your body?  What is junk science about it??   The only reason why the fructose in fruit is not as toxic as isolated fructose or high fructose syrup is that the fiber in the fruit helps inhibit the absorption of the fructose in your body.  THat is why drinking fruit juice is so bad for you, as it will cause blood sugar spikes.  Yes, the fruit will contain several nutrients that can give the body benefits and help protect from some of the negative effects (read my post about caffeine and coffee below).  However, the concentration of fructose in fruit juice and in many fruits, like bananas , etc is still high enough where if you consume a large amount it will have a negative impact on your body.  The bad outweighs the goods..  Don't get me wrong, I think adding some fruit to your diet is good, but too much fruit will fry your pancreas, stress the liver and deplete your immune response. 

If you can prove to me that high concentrations of fructose sourced from fruit is safe, I'd like to hear it.  I have heard many vegans make these claims, but any in-depth scientific research about the effects of fructose on the body, from any source, have proven otherwise.


You just admitted that caffiene kills adrenaline. The corporate "scientists" are all yacking about how great coffee, chocolate and computer games are today, but it's a gigantic lie based on "studies" of a few hundred people, and they "observe" that those who said they drink coffee are much healthier. If the study doesn't prove their lie, they test another hundred people. Coffee=drink with caffeine=kills adrenaline. You'll get more antioxidants in one blueberry than enough coffee to go into shock.
An isolated caffeine molecule and coffee which contains caffeine are not the same.   Yes, excessive amounts of coffee of course will produce negative effects.  Almost every substance on earth contains some type of toxin, even water can kill you!  However, the caffeine present in coffee is moderated by other compounds which help neutralize some of the toxic effects of the coffee.  The antioxidants in coffee , e.g., actually help protect the adrenal glands neutralizing the negative effects of caffeine.  Many substances, even Vitamin C can be quite toxic if consumed in isolated form , whereas in their natural, synergistic state, they are very beneficial to your body.  That is the problem with doing science experiences in-vitro with an isolated substance rather than with a concentrate..  The studies about caffeine damaging the nervous system or adrenal glands was done with isolated caffeine molecules that do not occur in naturally in nature.

Another great obstacle with studies about health benefits of coffee is that so much coffee is mass produced, doused with pesticides, grow in sterile soils, mold infested and processed with chemicals.  Coffee sourced from nutrient rich soils that is free of toxic molds, pesticides, chemicals etc actually has much more of the beneficial properties.  A lot of the toxic or bad side effects associated with coffee also come from coffee grown in giant plantations.   Pre-ground coffee , e.g.,loses a lot of its nutrient potential and quickly develops rancidity and mold.  So many people do not even know the proper way to store or process coffee beans.   Sadly, people are too quick to jump onto the bandwagon of the health critics and not investigate matters deeper.

You are better off drinking organic coffee that is fan dried and grown at high elevations in rich organic soils than you are eating the wheat, corn or many of the GMO, chemically doused, pesticide infused crops grown in nutrient sterile soils we see today in this country.

I do not even eat American wheat.. I eat wheat grown in nutrient rich soils in Italy that is non-hybridized like Einkorn wheat, which is an ancient strain of wheat. IT tastes 100 times better than the hybridized , genetically tweaked Durum and other American wheats.  It's night and day difference.  Also pure grains like Rye, Kamut , etc are much healthier for you.   

Rye and Sauerkraut are some of the reasons so many Eastern Europeans , esp Jews, could live as long as they do. 

Cultured foods is a whole other topic nobody here bothered to think about.  One reason people are unhealthy is they use one of the most evil inventions ever made, "The Refrigerator".
Title: Re: Want to live longer and healthier lives? Eat lots of vegetables and fruits!
Post by: Israel Chai on April 02, 2014, 10:38:59 PM
Can you prove to me that fructose from fruits is healthy for your body?  What is junk science about it??   The only reason why the fructose in fruit is not as toxic as isolated fructose or high fructose syrup is that the fiber in the fruit helps inhibit the absorption of the fructose in your body.  THat is why drinking fruit juice is so bad for you, as it will cause blood sugar spikes.  Yes, the fruit will contain several nutrients that can give the body benefits and help protect from some of the negative effects (read my post about caffeine and coffee below).  However, the concentration of fructose in fruit juice and in many fruits, like bananas , etc is still high enough where if you consume a large amount it will have a negative impact on your body.  The bad outweighs the goods..  Don't get me wrong, I think adding some fruit to your diet is good, but too much fruit will fry your pancreas, stress the liver and deplete your immune response. 

If you can prove to me that high concentrations of fructose sourced from fruit is safe, I'd like to hear it.  I have heard many vegans make these claims, but any in-depth scientific research about the effects of fructose on the body, from any source, have proven otherwise.

An isolated caffeine molecule and coffee which contains caffeine are not the same.   Yes, excessive amounts of coffee of course will produce negative effects.  Almost every substance on earth contains some type of toxin, even water can kill you!  However, the caffeine present in coffee is moderated by other compounds which help neutralize some of the toxic effects of the coffee.  The antioxidants in coffee , e.g., actually help protect the adrenal glands neutralizing the negative effects of caffeine.  Many substances, even Vitamin C can be quite toxic if consumed in isolated form , whereas in their natural, synergistic state, they are very beneficial to your body.  That is the problem with doing science experiences in-vitro with an isolated substance rather than with a concentrate..  The studies about caffeine damaging the nervous system or adrenal glands was done with isolated caffeine molecules that do not occur in naturally in nature.

Another great obstacle with studies about health benefits of coffee is that so much coffee is mass produced, doused with pesticides, grow in sterile soils, mold infested and processed with chemicals.  Coffee sourced from nutrient rich soils that is free of toxic molds, pesticides, chemicals etc actually has much more of the beneficial properties.  A lot of the toxic or bad side effects associated with coffee also come from coffee grown in giant plantations.   Pre-ground coffee , e.g.,loses a lot of its nutrient potential and quickly develops rancidity and mold.  So many people do not even know the proper way to store or process coffee beans.   Sadly, people are too quick to jump onto the bandwagon of the health critics and not investigate matters deeper.

You are better off drinking organic coffee that is fan dried and grown at high elevations in rich organic soils than you are eating the wheat, corn or many of the GMO, chemically doused, pesticide infused crops grown in nutrient sterile soils we see today in this country.

I do not even eat American wheat.. I eat wheat grown in nutrient rich soils in Italy that is non-hybridized like Einkorn wheat, which is an ancient strain of wheat. IT tastes 100 times better than the hybridized , genetically tweaked Durum and other American wheats.  It's night and day difference.  Also pure grains like Rye, Kamut , etc are much healthier for you.   

Rye and Sauerkraut are some of the reasons so many Eastern Europeans , esp Jews, could live as long as they do. 

Cultured foods is a whole other topic nobody here bothered to think about.  One reason people are unhealthy is they use one of the most evil inventions ever made, "The Refrigerator".


Fruit juices, even natural ones, are bad, but you can mitigate the effects if you leave it in your mouth for 10 seconds before swallowing, since your saliva will have time to break down the sugar. I considered getting sources for you, but since I already had to defend eggs and salt, I'm not going to keep fighting for things that people have been eating for thousands of years with no problems of any kind whatsoever.

Refrigerators are not bad, coffee is. Isolated caffine kills adrenaline, coffee releases it into your system.

http://www.redorbit.com/news/health/1113109753/fruit-and-vegetables-lower-death-risk-040114/

http://www.forbes.com/sites/travisbradberry/2012/08/21/caffeine-the-silent-killer-of-emotional-intelligence/

http://www.richmondkettlebellclub.com/news/is-coffee-killing-your-kb-workouts/
Title: Re: Want to live longer and healthier lives? Eat lots of vegetables and fruits!
Post by: Israel Chai on April 02, 2014, 10:40:20 PM
If by cultured foods you mean the bacterial cultures they put in yogurts, I'm not completely sure, the research is spotty from what I've seen, but so long as you don't eat it when you have a cold, you'll be fine.
Title: Re: Want to live longer and healthier lives? Eat lots of vegetables and fruits!
Post by: Israel Chai on April 02, 2014, 10:47:13 PM
More on coffee http://hippocratesinst.org/nutrition/mental-illness-or-caffeine-

Also, you said "potassium salts are good". Salt has potassium and magnesium. Some salt-extract now has the potassium left in. That is also bad. Actual salt is the largest molecular compound in nature, with over 100 elements in some, though the cheapest ones have about 60. http://www.examiner.com/article/natural-sea-salts-contain-healthy-trace-elements-and-minerals

Really, most of what I've seen here sounds like the Monsanto doctors on the NY[nazi]T with "studies" to back it up.


Eggs are good. Coffee is bad. Salt is good. Salt-extract is bad. There are no aliens in refrigerators.
Title: Re: Want to live longer and healthier lives? Eat lots of vegetables and fruits!
Post by: Every Jew AK47 on April 03, 2014, 01:33:01 AM

Fruit juices, even natural ones, are bad, but you can mitigate the effects if you leave it in your mouth for 10 seconds before swallowing, since your saliva will have time to break down the sugar. I considered getting sources for you, but since I already had to defend eggs and salt, I'm not going to keep fighting for things that people have been eating for thousands of years with no problems of any kind whatsoever.

Refrigerators are not bad, coffee is. Isolated caffine kills adrenaline, coffee releases it into your system.

http://www.redorbit.com/news/health/1113109753/fruit-and-vegetables-lower-death-risk-040114/

http://www.forbes.com/sites/travisbradberry/2012/08/21/caffeine-the-silent-killer-of-emotional-intelligence/

http://www.richmondkettlebellclub.com/news/is-coffee-killing-your-kb-workouts/

Sorry, I don't buy these anti-coffee articles .. They have done studies proving that a majority of the negative effects that are reported in these articles are a result of people taking isolated caffeine , i.e. caffeine pills which do not mitigate the negative

They have done studies proving that caffeine actually enhances neurological capacity and activity and that coffee drinkers have on average higher IQ and less instances of Alzheimer's disease.  Coffee is one of the most ancient beverages on the Earth.  The problem is not coffee, but the type of coffee.  The problem is not eggs or salt, but the type of eggs and salt.  Caffeine does have toxicity, but the amount of caffeine you would need to produce these toxic symptoms are beyond normal consumption.  Yes, if you have 10 cups of coffee you will torch your adrenals.  They have also proven that caffeine is not physically addictive.  This is more misinformation.  Caffeine may be habit forming, just like cracking your knuckles, but it is psychologically addictive, but not physically.  It does not cause any physical symptoms, flu-like illness or any other BS listed in that article.  However, low grade, synthetically processed and grown coffee has its own dangers which are much worse and do have side effects.  They have proven decaf coffee is bad for you, because not only is decaffeinating of the coffee remove the full spectrum of nutrients in the coffee bean, but also the toxic chemicals used in many types of decaffeinating mechanisms, such as used by Starbucks.  Also, many athletes, like Goldberg the Wrestler, will contest your statement that caffeine inhibits athletic ability.  In fact, it has been proven time and time again that caffeine actually is a major energy booster and does not result in crashes like synthetic stimulants or even some other natural substances.

Here are counter articles to  the anti-coffee articles.  People should do their own research and judge for themselves:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/17/coffee-health-benefits_n_4102133.html

Dr. Mercola changes his view on coffee, interviews Israeli Natural Health Doctor, author of Warrior Diet, Ori Hofmekler
http://www.bulletproofexec.com/what-dr-mercola-didnt-say-about-coffee-brains-and-muscle-video/
http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2011/04/16/ori-hofmekler-on-coffee.aspx


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If by cultured foods you mean the bacterial cultures they put in yogurts, I'm not completely sure, the research is spotty from what I've seen, but so long as you don't eat it when you have a cold, you'll be fine.
Well, yes, but the term cultured foods goes way way way beyond yogurt.  Bacterial cultures can be infused or can occur naturally, like in Sauerkraut.  Cultured foods are what humans have eaten for 1000s of years.  Many foods were cultured in a way to preserve the food, because people did not have access to refrigerators or electricity.    Without consuming these type of bacterial cultures our stomachs will be be overrun with bad bacteria and we will develop illness.  Many intestinal and colon problems people have today are a result of eating sterilized foods with no beneficial bacteria.    The beneficial bacteria in our stomachs (which is naturally occurring and required by our bodies for survival) is what protects us from illness.   They old adage says, "Death begins in the Colon".  They have done many studies showing how after refrigerators were used to start preserving food instead of culturing, stomach and other related illnesses skyrocketed.  Illnesses, like IBS, colon/stomach cancers, chronic constipation , etc are signs of beneficial bacteria in the gut.
Title: Re: Want to live longer and healthier lives? Eat lots of vegetables and fruits!
Post by: Zelhar on April 03, 2014, 03:51:59 AM
Guys, I'm down a dress size!!!

I had to give lots of my clothing to my older sister. 

I read the book "Eat To Live" and started doing a modified version of what the author recommends.  So my diet now is similar to how Chaim eats.  But I do drink some coffee, and have dairy and eggs once in a while. 

I actually had to add some dairy back into my diet because my nails have been chipping and splitting every week.  At one point, I got these painful cracks in the side corners of my mouth.  I read online that the cause is a deficiency in B vitamins. 

So no more cracks in the corners of my mouth. 

Now since we're discussing vegetables, my mother was telling me to go easy on the dark green vegetables (such as kale) because they can cause kidney stones.  Apparently vegetables like kale and swiss chard contain a substance called oxalates.   Does anyone know about oxalates, and how to avoid possibly getting kidney stones later in life?

Thanks.
I have heard a little bit about that too. I think what you need to do is not over eat high oxalate sources, and anyway always remember to stay hydrated. Lettuce, cabbage and broccoli are supposed to be low on oxalates and cucumber (unpeeled of course!).
Title: Re: Want to live longer and healthier lives? Eat lots of vegetables and fruits!
Post by: angryChineseKahanist on April 03, 2014, 09:10:47 AM
Guys, I'm down a dress size!!!

I had to give lots of my clothing to my older sister. 

I read the book "Eat To Live" and started doing a modified version of what the author recommends.  So my diet now is similar to how Chaim eats.  But I do drink some coffee, and have dairy and eggs once in a while. 

I actually had to add some dairy back into my diet because my nails have been chipping and splitting every week.  At one point, I got these painful cracks in the side corners of my mouth.  I read online that the cause is a deficiency in B vitamins. 

So no more cracks in the corners of my mouth. 

Now since we're discussing vegetables, my mother was telling me to go easy on the dark green vegetables (such as kale) because they can cause kidney stones.  Apparently vegetables like kale and swiss chard contain a substance called oxalates.   Does anyone know about oxalates, and how to avoid possibly getting kidney stones later in life?

Thanks.


Girl, I'm down two dress sizes.
I was eating at buffets and diners for a couple of years then stopped.
Title: Re: Want to live longer and healthier lives? Eat lots of vegetables and fruits!
Post by: angryChineseKahanist on April 03, 2014, 09:15:25 AM
....
I don't have longevity in my family unfortunately. Nobody has lived to their 90s.... My father passed at 75, his mother died younger than that... Both died of cancers... His father died of a heart attack or stroke in his 70s.

...

that's not fair.
they died of cancer or heart attack or stroke.
YOU can live longer. Obviously they could have lived longer and possibly much longer.

Its like saying they all jumped off of cliffs at age 10 so you won't live to be 11.
Title: Re: Want to live longer and healthier lives? Eat lots of vegetables and fruits!
Post by: Israel Chai on April 03, 2014, 09:38:29 AM
The conventional health science is what I go by, according to which, soybean is a complete protein. You also mix up two unrelated things- soybean toxicity and the the phytoestrogen it contains are two different issues. The raw beans contain toxins- which are neutralized by cooking. Lots of beans are toxic in their uncooked state. Soybean has been cultivated and consumed by Asian civilisations for thousands of years as a staple food, not as some rare celibacy diet for monks. As you must know, the far east has been the most heavily populated place on earth for the past couple of millennia , so I think your theory about soy and fertility doesn't hold water.

I've heard Chinese historians viciously counter that claim. They say the government is pretending that this was a staple, when in fact if you look at the ancient methods, where they would let the beans soak in water which they would change multiple times over the course of 2 years, it's obvious by this and other proofs (or lack of evidence) that soy was a condiment or spice, used mainly by the rich, and was never a stable food anywhere.

If you ferment soy, OK, you still will be infertile and look older eventually, but there are benefits

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2011/12/08/the-dirty-little-secret-hidden-in-much-of-your-health-food.aspx
"The claim that soy products can prevent osteoporosis, decrease your risk of cardiovascular disease and dementia, and protect you from cancer of the prostate, lung, and liver is actually true, but ONLY if the soy is fermented.

    How?

    The process of fermenting soy destroys the above-mentioned dangerous substances, thereby making it fit for consumption. Also, fermented soy products, such as those listed above, are a rich source of vitamin K2, a vitamin that works in harmony with vitamin D to keep you healthy. Vitamin K regulates your body's blood clotting ability and helps prevent cancer, osteoporosis and heart disease. And vitamin D is essential to the function of every system in your body."


If you feed this to a man, a woman with breasts, or a baby (http://authoritynutrition.com/is-soy-bad-for-you-or-good/) you are killing them. It's ok for everyone else, which is no one.


I don't feel like looking for the amino acid counts I've seen before, but google it, they're painfully low.

"An Inferior Protein Source

Besides the lectin and phytic acid in soybeans, they aren’t the complete protein source they are touted to be. Like all beans, they lack the amino acids Methionine and Cystine. While they are often promoted for being able to provide Vitamin B-12 to those eating a vegetarian diet, the Vitamin B-12 in soybeans can not be used by the body and actually cause the body to need more B-12.

As I often say about grains a beans: there are no nutrients in these foods that can’t be found in higher amounts in meats, vegetables and healthy fats, so stick to those and avoid the lectins and phytic acid!"

Try not to listen to corporate "doctors" too much. 94% of soy in the West is gmo, so it's double bad.
Title: Re: Want to live longer and healthier lives? Eat lots of vegetables and fruits!
Post by: Israel Chai on April 03, 2014, 09:45:12 AM
Lisa oxalates are found in too many types of food to completely avoid, and other than soy, they're all fantastic for your health, and unless you have absorptive hypercalciuria type II, enteric hyperoxaluria or primary hyperoxaluria it's extremely unlikely to cause kidney stones. Don't worry about it. Congrats on getting fit, keep active daily and consistently make your workouts harder to stay fit.
Title: Re: Want to live longer and healthier lives? Eat lots of vegetables and fruits!
Post by: Israel Chai on April 03, 2014, 09:54:09 AM
Sorry, I don't buy these anti-coffee articles .. They have done studies proving that a majority of the negative effects that are reported in these articles are a result of people taking isolated caffeine , i.e. caffeine pills which do not mitigate the negative

They have done studies proving that caffeine actually enhances neurological capacity and activity and that coffee drinkers have on average higher IQ and less instances of Alzheimer's disease.  Coffee is one of the most ancient beverages on the Earth.  The problem is not coffee, but the type of coffee.  The problem is not eggs or salt, but the type of eggs and salt.  Caffeine does have toxicity, but the amount of caffeine you would need to produce these toxic symptoms are beyond normal consumption.  Yes, if you have 10 cups of coffee you will torch your adrenals.  They have also proven that caffeine is not physically addictive.  This is more misinformation.  Caffeine may be habit forming, just like cracking your knuckles, but it is psychologically addictive, but not physically.  It does not cause any physical symptoms, flu-like illness or any other BS listed in that article.  However, low grade, synthetically processed and grown coffee has its own dangers which are much worse and do have side effects.  They have proven decaf coffee is bad for you, because not only is decaffeinating of the coffee remove the full spectrum of nutrients in the coffee bean, but also the toxic chemicals used in many types of decaffeinating mechanisms, such as used by Starbucks.  Also, many athletes, like Goldberg the Wrestler, will contest your statement that caffeine inhibits athletic ability.  In fact, it has been proven time and time again that caffeine actually is a major energy booster and does not result in crashes like synthetic stimulants or even some other natural substances.

Here are counter articles to  the anti-coffee articles.  People should do their own research and judge for themselves:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/17/coffee-health-benefits_n_4102133.html

Dr. Mercola changes his view on coffee, interviews Israeli Natural Health Doctor, author of Warrior Diet, Ori Hofmekler
http://www.bulletproofexec.com/what-dr-mercola-didnt-say-about-coffee-brains-and-muscle-video/
http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2011/04/16/ori-hofmekler-on-coffee.aspx

Well, yes, but the term cultured foods goes way way way beyond yogurt.  Bacterial cultures can be infused or can occur naturally, like in Sauerkraut.  Cultured foods are what humans have eaten for 1000s of years.  Many foods were cultured in a way to preserve the food, because people did not have access to refrigerators or electricity.    Without consuming these type of bacterial cultures our stomachs will be be overrun with bad bacteria and we will develop illness.  Many intestinal and colon problems people have today are a result of eating sterilized foods with no beneficial bacteria.    The beneficial bacteria in our stomachs (which is naturally occurring and required by our bodies for survival) is what protects us from illness.   They old adage says, "Death begins in the Colon".  They have done many studies showing how after refrigerators were used to start preserving food instead of culturing, stomach and other related illnesses skyrocketed.  Illnesses, like IBS, colon/stomach cancers, chronic constipation , etc are signs of beneficial bacteria in the gut.

Don't feel like showing you more research. You can call a health institution an anti-coffee article, so I can just disagree with you, tell you that being addicted to caffeine if nothing else is the stupidest addiction in the world, will make you fat, coffee was discovered by Arabs about 1000 years ago, and as for it not being addictive, look at people in the morning who drink coffee daily. Obviously they'll be stupid until they get it. Fridges are good, and beneficial bacteria is good too (never used "kills 99% of germs" tricoslan sludge  anywhere on your body).
Title: Re: Want to live longer and healthier lives? Eat lots of vegetables and fruits!
Post by: Israel Chai on April 03, 2014, 09:57:32 AM
Ten more reasons not to drink coffee

10 reasons why you might want to kick that coffee habit!

1. Cardiovascular Problems

Yes caffeine does indeed increase heart rate, elevates blood pressure and can contribute to the development of heart disease.

2. Stress

Caffeine stimulates the flow of stress hormones, which can produce increased levels of anxiety, irritability, muscular tension and pain, indigestion, insomnia and decreased immunity.  Increased levels of stress can keep you from creating healthy reactions to normal daily stress.

3. Emotional Troubles

Anxiety and irritability are guaranteed mood disturbances associated with caffeine consumption, but equally important are depression and attention disorders.

4. Blood Sugar Swings

Diabetics and hypoglycemics should avoid caffeine. Caffeine stimulates a temporary rush in blood sugar followed by an overproduction of insulin, which causes a blood sugar crash within hours. This roller coaster causes weight gain since insulin’s message to the body is to store excess sugar as fat.

5. Gastrointestinal Problems

Many people experience a burning sensation in their stomach after drinking coffee because coffee increases the secretion of hydrochloric acid, which leads to an increased risk for ulcers. Coffee, including decaf, reduces pressure on the valve between the esophagus and the stomach so that the highly acidic contents of the stomach pass up to the esophagus, which can lead to heartburn and gastro-esophageal reflux disease.

6. Nutritional Deficiencies

Caffeine inhibits the absorption of some nutrients and causes the urinary excretion of calcium, magnesium, potassium, iron, and trace minerals. So you could be eating very healthy but then washing I down with a coffee only to be losing some of those nutrients from food.

7. Male Health Problems

Milton Krisiloff, MD, has found that in the majority of cases, men can significantly reduce their risk for urinary and prostate problems by making dietary changes, which include eliminating coffee and caffeine.

8. Female Health Problems

Fibrocystic breast disease, PMS, osteoporosis, infertility problems, miscarriage, low birth weight and menopausal problems such as hot flashes are all aggravated by caffeine consumption. Women on birth control pills are particularly at risk since they tend to have a decreased ability to detoxify caffeine.

9. Aging

Many people find that in their 40s, they can no longer tolerate the same level of caffeine consumption they could in their 20s and 30s. Production of DHEA, melatonin and other vital hormones decline with age, but caffeine speeds up that process. Caffeine dehydrates the body and contributes to aging of the skin and kidneys. It has been shown to inhibit DNA repair and slow the ability of the liver to detoxify foreign toxins.

10. Adrenal Exhaustion

Caffeine consumption can lead to eventual adrenal exhaustion, which can leave you vulnerable to a variety of health disorders related to inflammation and fatigue. This was enough to make me quit along with those female hormone health problems – no thank you!



http://www.nurturepod.com/uncategorized/coffee-10-shocking-reasons-why-its-soooo-bad-for-you/

Title: Re: Want to live longer and healthier lives? Eat lots of vegetables and fruits!
Post by: angryChineseKahanist on April 03, 2014, 10:24:32 AM
yes, too much caffeine during the day can wear you down during the evening hours. It may make you shake and some people may experience withdrawal symptoms.

don't drink it if you don't need it.
Title: Re: Want to live longer and healthier lives? Eat lots of vegetables and fruits!
Post by: Dr. Dan on April 03, 2014, 10:39:25 AM
The egg does have lots of cholesterol in it, I do not recommend having one egg every day, but possibly no more than 4 a week if at all.  If you are healthy but do not exercise, then having eggs all the time is bad.  If you exercise and not eating other junk, eggs are beneficial, but to a limited degree.

בס''ד

I agree with everything that the great Dr. Dan has written except on the subject of eggs.

The government and medical establishment recommend a daily cholesterol intake of under 300 milligrams a day for healthy people and under 200 milligrams for unhealthy people (who have heart problems, diabetes, high cholesterol levels etc.). I personally think these recommended levels are too high but let's assume that the levels are correct.

The yolk of just one egg has about 186 milligrams of cholesterol. That is roughly the maximum amount of cholesterol that an unhealthy person should eat from all foods within a 24 hour period, and it is two thirds the maximum amount of cholesterol that a healthy person should consume from all foods within a 24 period. That means that consuming just one egg will almost certainly bring a person above the maximum cholesterol level because during a 24 hour period there will be other foods that will be eaten with at least some cholesterol. In my opinion, this level of cholesterol intake every day, 365 days a year, is dangerous. I believe that the accumulated impact over the years can greatly increase the risks of heart disease and other illnesses, G-d forbid.
Title: Re: Want to live longer and healthier lives? Eat lots of vegetables and fruits!
Post by: Dr. Dan on April 03, 2014, 10:46:06 AM
Sodium..too much is bad..it retains more water in the body thereby making the heart work extra heard to pump.  I have a feeling that it may also affect certain hormones as well (much like too much sugar does).

Too much cholesterol isn't good.. but there is good cholesterol and bad cholesterol.  So we can't just talk just cholesterol.  Cholesterol alone is one thing. High triglycerides with high LDL leads to the clogging of arteries...that's bad and it's a fact that clogged arteries are made up of that stuff.  So red meat should be limited significantly and, in my opinion, eggs also.  Except I think the benefits of an egg here or there outweighs the risks in a healthy individual.  They are low in fat and calories and high in vitamins.  A dozen a day every day is bad.  2-4 a week every other week isn't bad.

There are no doctors who claim that having high levels of blood cholesterol is neutral/good. To illustrate my point further, there are no doctors who claim that having a highly acidic blood steam is good, however, 10 lemons a day won't increase your blood's acidity, because that's not how it becomes acidic; things like sugar and chemicals will increase blood acidity because they're broken down like that, and don't get processed like naturally occurring acids will. What I'm saying is that while the cream cake with whipped cream will increase your cholesterol, things like eggs and meat won't, even though on the books they will usually have higher numbers on cholesterol.

I didn't want to be forceful, but there are literally thousands of doctors and scientists concluding that all the scares on eggs was a scam. Here's another: http://www.livescience.com/39353-eggs-dont-deserve-bad-reputation.html and I can provide hundreds more, as well as original research, and no doctor can prove anywhere in the world that eating more than one egg a day has any co-relation whatsoever with increased cholesterol or heart disease, since it is a junk-science scam http://www.webmd.com/food-recipes/features/eggs-dietary-friend-foe


The inquisition against salt, the most important foodstuff in male development, is a scam on par with the Nazis' plan of dumping chemicals and sucrose in tobacco, and putting dangerous "pesticides" in the fields (which continues today, except the pesticides are now radioactive).

In France, doctors prescribe high daily doses of salt FOR sufferers of high blood pressure. By what you've said, you've likely never eaten salt. To illustrate, salt is always moist, due to the high levels of magnesium, and salt-extract (which this article calls "processed salt" http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2011/09/20/salt-myth.aspx) will instantly make your mouth dry, as it sucks up water. Calling the "table" "sea" "lake" or armpit salt they sell at the stores "salt", which has most of the elements removed from it and sold to pharmaceutical companies "salt" is like calling the citric acid they extract from fruits and call "vitamin C" in the chemical drinks like "orange" juice in the stores (which your body rejects automatically, since it can't be broken down) "oranges".

There are twice as many doctors who praise actual salt than eggs, and all the ones that aren't mega corporate sell-outs typically do.

G-d forbid I ever have to have health problems due to high cholesterol or blood pressure, thank you very much. At any rate, I don't eat toxic waste and salt-extract, I eat natural foods as G-d created them and as people have eaten without problems for all of human history, so with that and G-d's protection G-d willing I don't have to "understand" in the way implied here twice.
Title: Re: Want to live longer and healthier lives? Eat lots of vegetables and fruits!
Post by: Dr. Dan on April 03, 2014, 11:38:44 AM
Yes water is the best drink. I personally like tea..green, red, white, or black over coffee.  Stay way from juice...even tropicana type juices..

Fish and fish eggs are great. Salmon, herring, sable, trout and sardines are great- just not salted. Red meat in moderation (once a week) is fine- women, especially, need the iron. Watch out for salty meats (e.g., corned beef, pastrami, etc.), usually doused in nitrates and nitrites that promote pancreatic cancer, in particular. Same goes for most lunch meats.

Keep your carbohydrates to a minimum, except for fruits and vegetables, which, as Chaim states, are very beneficial. Bread, rice, and noodles are bad. When you eat these in combination with cholesterol/saturated fats you burn the carbs and store the fats- bad. When your carbohydrate reserves are low you burn fats- much more efficient and healthy. Sugar is the enemy.

Eat organic if you can. The chemicals (e.g., hormones, antibiotics, preservatives, etc.) in most conventional food are very damaging to your immunity and cellular metabolism. Probiotics- good.

Drink water- period. A cup of organic coffee a day perhaps, a glass of wine here and there perhaps, is good. BTW- I witnessed and participated in many hospital autopsies and noted that alcoholics' blood vessels were as smooth as a baby's; however, their livers were a mess. Fruit juices, widely touted as healthy, simply have too much sugar- avoid it. BTW- NYC has some of the best water available- from the mountains of upstate NY. We tested it in the clinical labs at The Mount Sinai Hospital (c. 1992), and it was clean as a whistle.

Exercise is vital- an intense 30 minute "cardio" type workout 4-5x/week is great. Meditation- ooooh- has been shown to be beneficial. Studies have shown an association with lower blood pressure and cortisol (stress hormone) levels.

Some of you may be able to keep a strict regimen, others may not, but at least have something to strive for.

On the humorous side, when asked the secret to his longevity, George Burns replied "Eat half."
Title: Re: Want to live longer and healthier lives? Eat lots of vegetables and fruits!
Post by: Dr. Dan on April 03, 2014, 11:48:06 AM
Ben Yehuda and Chaim give the best diet advices.  Follow what they say..You can't go wrong.
Title: Re: Want to live longer and healthier lives? Eat lots of vegetables and fruits!
Post by: Israel Chai on April 03, 2014, 11:58:30 AM
The egg does have lots of cholesterol in it, I do not recommend having one egg every day, but possibly no more than 4 a week if at all.  If you are healthy but do not exercise, then having eggs all the time is bad.  If you exercise and not eating other junk, eggs are beneficial, but to a limited degree.

Your body procuces more than a dozen eggs' worth of cholesterol/day. It is maintained at normal levels. Cholesterol from chemical snacks and processed foods doesn't get processed properly, so of course it cases high cholesterol. Eating carrots is unhealthy if you don't exercise.
Title: Re: Want to live longer and healthier lives? Eat lots of vegetables and fruits!
Post by: The Noachide on April 03, 2014, 12:25:51 PM
Today's wheat is hazardous.
Drink alkaline water, avocados, blueberries. For greens, kale and spinach are vital.
Title: Re: Want to live longer and healthier lives? Eat lots of vegetables and fruits!
Post by: Zelhar on April 03, 2014, 02:06:19 PM
Today's wheat is hazardous.
Drink alkaline water, avocados, blueberries. For greens, kale and spinach are vital.
Why do you say that? As far as I know it's not even genetically modified, unlike corn and soy.
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Post by: Israel Chai on April 03, 2014, 02:10:55 PM
Why do you say that? As far as I know it's not even genetically modified, unlike corn and soy.

I linked you to an article showing they're finding GMO wheat everywhere. Also, processing and additives mean that the time you buy your flour, it's GMO flour-extract with chemical surprise. Rambam still writes that there are many types of diseases that are cured by eating bread first thing in the morning, so if you can make your own bread, that's the best.
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Post by: Ben Yehuda on April 03, 2014, 04:22:46 PM
Ben Yehuda and Chaim give the best diet advices.  Follow what they say..You can't go wrong.

Thank you Dr. Dan.  ;D  Enjoy your posts as well.
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Post by: syyuge on April 03, 2014, 04:51:39 PM
Ben Yehuda and Chaim give the best diet advices.  Follow what they say..You can't go wrong.

Exactly!

Further, fruits shall be eaten with their juice and fiber and avoid the separated juice.

Moreover there is a high chance that all these health problems are actually due to the higher acidity in the blood. In that case mostly all the vegetables and especially the bottle gourd shall be taken more in the food. These vegetables shall be checked for extra bitterness and chemical contamination or internal organic poisoning if any and they should be taken only after boiling or proper cooking. 
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Post by: cjd on April 03, 2014, 05:20:22 PM
Have mercy  :::D Who knows what to believe anymore... The radio today was talking about an extensive study that just came out stating meat eaters are far more healthier then folks who eat no meat at all... It also stated that all the hype about trans fats is just that hype... Personally I am glad I have been on the right track all along... If it walks on fours and moo's or oinks it prime for the grill ;D
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Post by: Zelhar on April 03, 2014, 05:42:58 PM
Have mercy  :::D Who knows what to believe anymore... The radio today was talking about an extensive study that just came out stating meat eaters are far more healthier then folks who eat no meat at all... It also stated that all the hype about trans fats is just that hype... Personally I am glad I have been on the right track all along... If it walks on fours and moo's or oinks it prime for the grill ;D
Trans fat is definitely unhealthy and should be avoided. I would make it illegal as a food ingredient if I could.
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Post by: Israel Chai on April 03, 2014, 06:09:01 PM
Trans fat is definitely unhealthy and should be avoided. I would make it illegal as a food ingredient if I could.

It depends. There's trans fat in milk, so it's great for babies in a natural form, but the trans fat they add to chemical paste (margarine) is highly hazardous, isn't stored or processed by the body, and should at any cost be avoided.
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Post by: Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks on April 03, 2014, 06:18:52 PM
It depends. There's trans fat in milk, so it's great for babies in a natural form, but the trans fat they add to chemical paste (margarine) is highly hazardous, isn't stored or processed by the body, and should at any cost be avoided.
Aren't natural trans fats somewhat different from synthetic hydrogenated oils?
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Post by: Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks on April 03, 2014, 06:30:02 PM
Guys, I'm down a dress size!!!

I had to give lots of my clothing to my older sister. 

I read the book "Eat To Live" and started doing a modified version of what the author recommends.  So my diet now is similar to how Chaim eats.  But I do drink some coffee, and have dairy and eggs once in a while. 

I actually had to add some dairy back into my diet because my nails have been chipping and splitting every week.  At one point, I got these painful cracks in the side corners of my mouth.  I read online that the cause is a deficiency in B vitamins. 

So no more cracks in the corners of my mouth. 

Now since we're discussing vegetables, my mother was telling me to go easy on the dark green vegetables (such as kale) because they can cause kidney stones.  Apparently vegetables like kale and swiss chard contain a substance called oxalates.   Does anyone know about oxalates, and how to avoid possibly getting kidney stones later in life?

Thanks.
The cracks in the sides of your mouth are called angular cheilitis. Various different things cause it but the prevailing cause seems to be a weakened immune system. I had it last fall. It was weird, but not really obtrusive, and went away on its own pretty quickly. I think that kidney stones are something that only certain people are prone to.
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Post by: Israel Chai on April 03, 2014, 08:04:42 PM
Aren't natural trans fats somewhat different from synthetic hydrogenated oils?

Trans fats are partially hydrogenated, synthetic hydrogenated oils are bad, but nowhere near as bad as partially hydrogenated. And like I said, yes, they are. The corporate "scientists" came out with "studies" showing that breast milk is bad because it has trans-fat, which was so disgusting it's equally stupid as hating eggs, fruit and salt, all of which are vital for life. Nothing could be further from reality, breast milk has been consumed forever and is good for babies. Naturally occurring trans-fats, unlike eggs, will affect your cholesterol as you age, since it takes longer to break them down and your body can't use them, and older men and women should limit the amount of milk they consume to a cup every 2 days.
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Post by: Israel Chai on April 03, 2014, 08:14:51 PM
Hydrogenated oils have saturated fat, not trans. I literally did my school science fair project on this topic.
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Post by: muman613 on April 03, 2014, 08:16:53 PM
Hydrogenated oils have saturated fat, not trans. I literally did my school science fair project on this topic.

I guess I'm clueless because I did my Highschool Science Fair project on Robotics...

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Post by: Israel Chai on April 03, 2014, 08:21:35 PM
I guess I'm clueless because I did my Highschool Science Fair project on Robotics...

Eh, I was on the robotics team, good enough. We won. You know I work in robotics, right?
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Post by: muman613 on April 03, 2014, 08:38:02 PM
Eh, I was on the robotics team, good enough. We won. You know I work in robotics, right?

Really, that is cool... I was very much into AI and Robotics when I went to college... But I have not been involved in many years... My project was a simple robot arm connected to an old Apple II computer which was programmed to build model homes based on the users preferences.

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Post by: Israel Chai on April 03, 2014, 08:40:38 PM
Really, that is cool... I was very much into AI and Robotics when I went to college... But I have not been involved in many years... My project was a simple robot arm connected to an old Apple II computer which was programmed to build model homes based on the users preferences.

Want to see my robot arm? It also transforms into a car-boat-plane.