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Save Western Civilization => Save Serbia => Topic started by: genteelgentile on August 06, 2007, 08:28:07 PM
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Good or bad???
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hm.. I like the russians.. and i know they like us. but i cant figure out my self, if they help us out in kosovo out of their brotherly love or something else..but i think that they do it out of the brotherly love. i know they help us. they helped us in kosovo, not as much as i hoped. but it boosted they serb moral VERY much. and for me, that is good enough.. i have 3 of my uncles who has bin in kosovo. they all live today, thank G-d for that.
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The reason Russia didnt help us during the bombing campaign was because
1.the russian president was Boris Yeltsin
2.the serbian president was Slobodan Milosevic
why they are helping us now is because
1.the russian president is Vladimir Putin
2. he wants to have a good ally in the balkans especially serbia since belgrade is a huge link between europe and middle east.
if you want to travel to the middle east you'd have to go through serbia.
3. He is helping Vojislav Seselj because like Putin he is a nationalist.
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The reason Russia didnt help us during the bombing campaign was because
1.the russian president was Boris Yeltsin
2.the serbian president was Slobodan Milosevic
why they are helping us now is because
1.the russian president is Vladimir Putin
2. he wants to have a good ally in the balkans especially serbia since belgrade is a huge link between europe and middle east.
if you want to travel to the middle east you'd have to go through serbia.
3. He is helping Vojislav Seselj because like Putin he is a nationalist.
Actually, you are wrong.
Russia is supporting Serbia on the Kosovo issue because it allows Russia to position itself in opposition to the US and the EU. Russia wants to reassert itself as a hegemon, and you do not do that by agreeing with everyone.
More importantly, Russia itself is composed of many ethnic groups, of which a large number has dreams (delusions) of independence. An independent Kosovo would motivate these independence movements and create a very big problem for Russia.
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hp, I think you are right!
It's more than just friendly relations it's political... The Russian have their own Muslim problems in Chechnya, that would send them a messsage as well.
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hp, I think you are right!
It's more than just friendly relations it's political... The Russian have their own Muslim problems in Chechnya, that would send them a messsage as well.
Unfortunately, Russia is run by a bunch of gangsters. I wouldn't like to count on them having 'Mother Russia's' best interests at heart.
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These things are good to discuss, because we here at JTF support Serbia, but also look at Russia with much concern, to put it mildly.
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These things are good to discuss, because we here at JTF support Serbia, but also look at Russia with much concern, to put it mildly.
Why are u looking that way on russia? i mean.. they used to be communist and all.. but i think they are a pretty good country.. i know they are selling weapons to moslems and all.. and that make me VERY VERY mad..
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Russians have a history of being against Jews, correct? I am far from an expert, but Russia, even now does seem to be too close to anarchy, what with the organized crime. I don't know, so I want as much input as possible.
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Russians have a history of being against Jews, correct? I am far from an expert, but Russia, even now does seem to be too close to anarchy, what with the organized crime. I don't know, so I want as much input as possible.
Belgrade was first city without jews...and they have problem...wake up,nazi-chetniks!!!!!
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"first city without Jews"...DUE TO GERMANS.
GERMANS WHO FULLY SUPPORT NAZICROATS.
WHAT ABOUT NAZICROAT-RULED N.D.H. ?
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In my opinion, Russia is history. The Holy union between Russia And Serbia hundreds of years ago is broken according to me. Yes, Russian people want to help us, but for the government, there are more importent questions than Serbia. So we are a low priroity. The high priroity is USA ,and as hp said, a risk for a russian breakup.
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purger, you call us Nazi cetniks? You ignorant pissant. You are ashamed of being serb, so you made up a new nationality, you use our langauge and culture, Yet you feel so germanic. You ARE open nazis.
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Russians have a history of being against Jews, correct? I am far from an expert, but Russia, even now does seem to be too close to anarchy, what with the organized crime. I don't know, so I want as much input as possible.
Russia lost over 20 million people in Holocaust :'(
Serbs and Russians have a great relationship O0
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Someone would like to "civilicize" Russia ?
After napoleon ?...
AFTER HITLER ?....
Russians are ONLY good to DIE against historical nazism ?
Russians are worth nothing else, not even to live ?...
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I thing that the real enemies of the Jews are Muslim fundamentalists and Nazi Catholics. Russia has her own problems and her own enemies. Russia is in a difficult position. They have enemies from all sides.
About the Serbs and the Russians.
It is well known that the Serbs and the Russians are brothers by blood and religion.
We are brothers by blood because we are both of Slavic origin.
We are brothers by religion because we are both true orthodox Christian nations.
We the Serbs have no closer allies than the Russians.
The friends of the Serbs are also Russian’s friends.
Believe me!
Russian orthodox people have nothing against the Jews!
The Jewish apostles of Jesus Christ were one of the founders of our Christian religion. Through the Jews, G-d brought the messiah to this world, with purpose that we the non Jews can also be connected with the G-d of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. This is an Orthodox point of view. Russians and Serbs agree with this.
Russian orthodoxism is not equal with communism.
That are two different directions.
Maybe the Russian communist were bad toward the Jews.
That is a crime! I agree.
But Russian communists were brainwashed aggressors who also victimized their own people.
The communist period was a dark period which destroyed the world’s strongest orthodox countries. Who was benefited with the destruction of the two Orthodox states – the two oldest states with a great tradition and religion.
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AMERICA BOMBARDED SERBIA
MANY TIMES,
YET, WE SERBS UNDERSTAND
WHAT AMERICA MEANS TO YOU,
JEWISH BROTHERS,
THEREFORE,
WE SERBS DO NOT ASK YOU
TO ABANDON AMERICA...
SO PLEASE, DO NOT WONDER
WHY WE SERBS STICK TO MOTHER RUSSIA.
:'(
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MODERATOR, WAKE UP !!!!!
:o :o :o
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and now somebody tell me to keep nazi croats on this forum :o :o >:(
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J rebel fu;k you. I wanted serious answers to this question.
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"johnnyNAZIrebel" SMASHED.
O0 O0 O0
THUS, we can further
work on our topics,
without being bothered.
:)
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One YouTube video
about RUSSIAN
VOLUNTEERS,
ready to give
their precious Lives,
in the combat
against NAZIS,
ONCE AGAIN.
GOD BLESS THEM.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=U15B_uA6n0M
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In NAZIBOSNOMUSLIM eyes,
Russian Volunteers
are "killers"...
Ah ah ah !!!
Yes: killers of NAZIBOSNOMUSLIMSCUMBAGSOFTHEUNIVERSE.
http://www.camo.ch/rusiubijali.htm
:)
Excerpt:
"Jedan od prvih i najpoznatijih odreda sacinjen od ruskih dobrovoljaca svakako je odred "Carski vukovi".
"One of the first and best known units made of Russian Volunteers was the unit "Imperial Wolves".
:)
Imperial Wolves having
NAZICROATS/NAZIBOSNOMUSLIMS
for a lunch.
:)
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After Russian Revolution in 1917, every connection with that country can be only BAD.
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You're making a BIG mistake, Cojpe.
:)
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After Russian Revolution in 1917, every connection with that country can be only BAD.
Yes but we do not live in 1917 anymore.
Serbia was also a communist country for a long time.
Those days are over.
Russia is orthodox again !
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1917 communist thing
is resulting from germany.
8)
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1917 communist thing
is resulting from germany.
8)
Intelligent observation!
Communism a proven evil with its roots coming from the Vatican.
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1917...
Not Russian,
not Slavic.
Was it from
vaticannibals,
germaniacs,
it doesn't matter:
same s..t.
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After Russian Revolution in 1917, every connection with that country can be only BAD.
Yes but we do not live in 1917 anymore.
Serbia was also a communist country for a long time.
Those days are over.
Russia is orthodox again !
Serbia was communist country for long time thanks to that "slavic/orthodox connection".
Everything bad we have in this pathetic political life in Serbia, comes from Russia.
I bet my head on, that 80% of Serbia will cheer making of some new Soviet Union (god forbit).
Even today, Russia try to put finger in western countries eyes everyday and using us in that filthy game of theirs.
Tell me honestly, what do you think whos to blame for having Miloshevic and leftist socialists and fake nationalists in charge in Serbia for so long after fall of communism??
Whos brother was ambassador in Moscow for almost 15 years?
If Russia is a friend of Serbia how comes that all people that robbed Serbian people and country (Mira Markovic, Marko Miloshevic, Bogoljub Karic...) during the 90s, found hideout in Russia today?
Why our "Russian friends" don't want to arrest them and send them back to us??
Of course there is another explanation of your point of view, it would be that you boys are communist grandsons and you think that Miloshevic is a great Serb and patriot.
In that case, we are not same kind of Serbs, I am afraid.
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In that case, we are not same kind of Serbs, I am afraid.
No, no comrade.
I am not judging you, with all respect.
We agree with each other.
This is just a misunderstanding I will give a explanation.
It is a very complex subject.
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Serbia was communist country for long time thanks to that "slavic/orthodox connection".
You don’t believe that. Listen to me comrade.
We are both Serbs.
We do not have to agree 100% in very cause, but you must know this. The same foreign factor launched communism on Serbian lands and on Russian lands.
The Vatican international launched communism on Orthodox soil.
We will discuss this subject more intensive in the future.
It is important to understand optimaly this cause.
Everything bad we have in this pathetic political life in Serbia, comes from Russia.
I bet my head on, that 80% of Serbia will cheer making of some new Soviet Union (G-d forbit).
After the establishment of bolshevism in Russia, Russia’s existents was over.
After 1917 Russia was not Russia anymore it became one of the worlds most undemocratic and evil regime. Moscow became the headquarter of the - communist international - whit its roots coming from the - Vatican international -.
Do not consider Russia as an ally during the period of communism.
Lenin’s speech which is well remembered by the Serbs, I quote:
Communism can’t be launched on Yugoslavia which out destroying Serbia and the Serbs.
This proves that Russia was controlled by anti- Russians anti Serbsand by anti-Orthodoxists.
Even today, Russia try to put finger in western countries eyes everyday and using us in that filthy game of theirs.
Look what the West had done toward Russia and Serbia.
They destroyed the two oldest states with great tradition and religion, by attacking them with communism.
The West will never accept you as a Serb! Do not be naive!
Never.!
Do not be naïve.
Serbia is a barricade for catholic expansion. That’s why they will never accept you. If you want to be accepted by them convert your self to Catholism.
Why our "Russian friends" don't want to arrest them and send them back to us??
Our current government is not much better than the old one.
Milosevic was bad. Is our today's government better?
Of course there is another explanation of your point of view, it would be that you boys are communist grandsons and you think that Miloshevic is a great Serb and patriot.
You never read my messages over here.
I am anti- Milosevic!!!!
Milosevic was a communist. He was our enemy.
You are judging very quick brother. Very quick. Pay attention to that!
There are no communists here only Cetnik oriented Serbs!
Alright my brother!!
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Cojpe wrote:
"Serbia was communist country for long time thanks to that "slavic/orthodox connection".
IS IT ALSO THANKS TO THAT
"SLAVIC/ORTHODOX CONNECTION"
THAT HUNGARY WAS COMMUNIST ?
Everything bad we have in this pathetic political life in Serbia, comes from Russia.
YES, LIKE COMMUNISM....
....WHICH CAME FROM GERMANY.
WAKE UP.
HOLY RUSSIA FIRST, SUFFERED FROM COMMUNISM.
::)
I bet my head on,
DON'T GIVE YOUR SERBIAN HEAD SO EASILY...
that 80% of Serbia will cheer making of some new Soviet Union (G-d forbit).
Even today, Russia try to put finger in western countries eyes everyday and using us in that filthy game of theirs.
YOU ARE WEST-EUROPEAN (NAZO) ORIENTED...
Tell me honestly, what do you think whos to blame for having Miloshevic and leftist socialists and fake nationalists in charge in Serbia for so long after fall of communism??
Whos brother was ambassador in Moscow for almost 15 years?
If Russia is a friend of Serbia how comes that all people that robbed Serbian people and country (Mira Markovic, Marko Miloshevic, Bogoljub Karic...) during the 90s, found hideout in Russia today?
Why our "Russian friends" don't want to arrest them and send them back to us??
WAOW ! RUSSIA IS GUILTY, THEN...
Of course there is another explanation of your point of view, it would be that you boys are communist grandsons and you think that Miloshevic is a great Serb and patriot.
YOU'RE MIXING MILOSEVIC, RUSSIA AND OUR GRAND-FATHERS IN A BIG SOUP...
YOU FORGOT TO PUT HERR TUDJMAN IN IT:
HE BEGAN IN POLITICS AS A COMMUNIST, ALSO.
In that case, we are not same kind of Serbs, I am afraid."
IF YOU LICK NAZO,
OBVIOUSLY,
WE'RE NOT THE SAME
"KIND" OF SERBS.
Do not take it personnaly.
:)
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IS IT ALSO THANKS TO THAT
"SLAVIC/ORTHODOX CONNECTION"
THAT HUNGARY WAS COMMUNIST ?
No, Hungary was occupied by Russian communists.
Serbia was occupied by pro-russian Serbs and Serbian communist traitors.
YES, LIKE COMMUNISM....
....WHICH CAME FROM GERMANY.
German ain't killed Russian emperor Russians did.
You wake up
HOLY RUSSIA FIRST, SUFFERED FROM COMMUNISM.
Russia sufered from thinks that Russia choosed.
As we suffering cuz of our choices.
YOU ARE WEST-EUROPEAN (NAZO) ORIENTED...
I am pro-USA oriented.
Our place is among western countries, before croatians, slovenians or any kind of balkan muslims.
They are there only because Germany is there in this point of history.
WAOW ! RUSSIA IS GUILTY, THEN...
Of course,
but not just Russia, Pro-Russians in Serbia are even more to blame.
YOU'RE MIXING MILOSEVIC, RUSSIA AND OUR GRAND-FATHERS IN A BIG SOUP...
YOU FORGOT TO PUT HERR TUDJMAN IN IT:
HE BEGAN IN POLITICS AS A COMMUNIST, ALSO.
Yes, Russia, Miloshevic, Communist grand-fathers and even Tudjman too, why not? :)
He began as a communist end up like nazi, Milosevic began as Commie end it as commie, personaly cant tell which is more bad :D
Only thing is I dont need to think about Tudjman, he was doing (whatever hes been doing) to Croats, Miloshevic make it on my head directly :'(
IF YOU LICK NAZO,
OBVIOUSLY,
WE'RE NOT THE SAME
"KIND" OF SERBS.
I dont understand this one.
However, I thik you see my point more clearly now.
P.S. Brate, nemoj da forsiras banovanje ustasha, jebes forum ako nemas koga da razjebes :)
sta imam da pricam s'tobom ako se sve slazemo? :)
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Cojpe, NAZICROATS
PUT THIS SECTION UPSIDE-DOWN.
:o
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Cojpe, NAZICROATS
PUT THIS SECTION UPSIDE-DOWN.
:o
I think you should chill out a bit.
I am sure it was something which forum admins expected, right after that video about Croatians is released.
If it bothers you so much, don't replay on provocative topics.
Me personally, I like that kind of conversation :)
I am member of this forum for some time now but I couldn't find topic interesting enough to reply until bastards show themselves up O0
I mean...what's the point of forum if we all agree with eachother, what is there to explain if we all think the same ;)
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Cojpe,
if that's how you like forums,
full of unproductive NAZICROAT floods,
i don't know what to say anymore...
???
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I actually agree with him, whats the point in just agreeing and agreeing, theres no action.
with the enemy finally theres some HOSTILITY!!:D:D
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Serbian Cetnik,
where was YOUR PART
of "action"
from sunday on ?
???
This forum
becomes a
NAZICROAT NEST.
>:(
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My computer is busted I've been spending 2 weeks fixing it, I'm using my sisters laptop and i hate laptops. I don't have the athourity to ban/kick. Actually I'm not sure i can do anything as a mod. Just watch.
So give me a break ok.:P
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OK.
:)
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Cojpe, Dalmacija, Husar cool of. We are all serbs. We are brothers. I just don't want serbs to fight with each other.
CCCC
Remember, Always.
http://jtf.org/forum_english/index.php?topic=10808.0
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I love you all, my Brothers.
:)
And our Sisters as much.
CcCc
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I love you all, my Brothers.
:)
And our Sisters as much.
CcCc
Second that :)
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Cojpe, Dalmacija, Husar cool of. We are all serbs. We are brothers. I just don't want serbs to fight with each other.
http://jtf.org/forum_english/index.php?topic=10808.0
I know that we are all brothers. I did not punched anybody?
I am not fighting here with nobody?
Brothers can sometimes disagree with each other.. That is not a tragedy.
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Yes, indeed, DALMACIJA,
and we love you too.
:)
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Yes, indeed, DALMACIJA,
and we love you too.
:)
STOP HUSAR..
What kind of forum is this. I can not take it anymore.
I am getting tears in my eyes!
You are all being to kind.
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You know
I just don't stop like that
DALMACIJA....
;D
Here's for you,
my Dear Serbian Comrades,
and for all the Serb-loving JTFers,
the first among them being Chaim...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vIjRw6ENO6Y
;)
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All I know is that I am confused. But I guess what matters in the end is that you guys, and all of JTF for that matter, can get along. I suppose I should reread everything again...
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All I know is that I am confused. But I guess what matters in the end is that you guys, and all of JTF for that matter, can get along. I suppose I should reread everything again...
It would be right and good and just
that you stood blind to NAZICROAT YM'SHMAM propaganda.
We Serbs stay blind to PLO/hamas/arab/NAZI one concerning Jews as "NAZIS".
:-X
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All I know is that I am confused. But I guess what matters in the end is that you guys, and all of JTF for that matter, can get along. I suppose I should reread everything again...
It would be right and good and just
that you stood blind to NAZICROAT YM'SHMAM propaganda.
We Serbs stay blind to PLO/hamas/arab/NAZI one concerning Jews as "NAZIS".
:-X
I don't 8;)
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All I know is that I am confused.
If you have questions about this subject just ask it..
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I meant I was a little confused about the whole back and forth between you Serb types. :)
I was the one who started this thread months ago!
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Serb types go
"back and forth",
"back and forth",
"back and forth"...
...in pretty girls, also.
;D ;D ;D
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haha!
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;)
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I am from the former SU. I am Jewish, but my culture is Russian. I know many Russians and I read a lot of Russian forums. I can say from personal experience that Russians are overwhelmingly pro-Serbian. I have never heard anything negative about Serbians from a Russian. During the war in Yugoslavia, Russians were absolutely outraged about the treatment of the Serbs by the Western media. It was in the Russian media that one first heard about the alternative account of the war, exposing such hoaxes as fake Bosnian concentration camps and fake mass graves.
However, the question is also whether the Russian government is the friend of the Serbian government. That is not so obvious, because governments are opportunistic. Russia didn't what what it could during the Yugoslavian war. It held back and let the Serbs be defeated. Very morally wrong, in my opinion. Now the Russian media is discussing the "carrot" that the EU government offered Serbia: namely, Serbia will be given an opportunity to join the EU in exchange of Kosovo's independence. I think it would be wrong for Serbs to accept it. What do you all think?
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I am from the former SU. I am Jewish, but my culture is Russian. I know many Russians and I read a lot of Russian forums. I can say from personal experience that Russians are overwhelmingly pro-Serbian. I have never heard anything negative about Serbians from a Russian. During the war in Yugoslavia, Russians were absolutely outraged about the treatment of the Serbs by the Western media. It was in the Russian media that one first heard about the alternative account of the war, exposing such hoaxes as fake Bosnian concentration camps and fake mass graves.
However, the question is also whether the Russian government is the friend of the Serbian government. That is not so obvious, because governments are opportunistic. Russia didn't what what it could during the Yugoslavian war. It held back and let the Serbs be defeated. Very morally wrong, in my opinion. Now the Russian media is discussing the "carrot" that the EU government offered Serbia: namely, Serbia will be given an opportunity to join the EU in exchange of Kosovo's independence. I think it would be wrong for Serbs to accept it. What do you all think?
You are absolutely 100% right about this.
But to be honest Russia did helped us in SC recently by not allowing Martti Ahtisaari's proposal to pass.
And as far as the "carrot policy" is concerned no one in Serbia doesn't even think about that so called EU offer.
No one in Serbia is ready to give up Kosovo and Metohia for quicker entering the EU.
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Masha, I agree both with you and Lamed.
Concerning the governments,
they can't fool neither Serbs nor Russians:
we know we're Brothers.
Concerning european union of NAZIS: no thanks.
;)
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I also agree. Russians are the only ones that supported Serbia.
But did not enough, although some Russians came to help the Serbian army.
Will Russians be the ones that save Europe from the muslims again?
Most likely yes.
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Russians saved Europe,
willingly or not,
when they resisted to tatars.
We Slavs fight muSSlims...western europeans
mourn for (and fully support) ONLY the muSSlims,
were they chechens, "bosnians", "kosovars","plo"...
What a BIG difference.
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(http://www.geocities.com/ravnogorci/cossacks.jpg)
(http://www.vojnik.org/imgn/Serbia/3rdo1.jpg)
russian brothers fighting for bosnian serbs O0 O0
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GOD BLESS THEM ALL.
СЛАВА ИМ
SLAVA IM
GLORY TO THEM
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Russians our brothers!