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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: Chaim Ben Pesach on May 11, 2014, 12:21:42 AM
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בס''ד
This is the third article that I have written this month for the large web site "Patriotic Israeli".
According to the Vatican, there is already an agreement by the Netanyahu-Yaalon-Lieberman-Bennett-Lapid regime to surrender sovereignty over King David's Tomb on Mount Zion in Jerusalem to the Catholic Church. If this agreement goes through, just as Jews are prevented from praying on the Temple Mount, they will now also be prevented from praying at King David's Tomb. This is an atrocious Chillul Hashem (desecration of G-d's name).
Even though the article is in Hebrew, please click on the link below to visit the site and comment.
http://www.kr8.co.il/BRPortal/br/P102.jsp?arc=921394
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Yimach shemo to Lewinsky.
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I do not understand why he would give it to the catholics. it is not as sacred to them as it is to the jewish people.
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I do not understand why he would give it to the catholics. it is not as sacred to them as it is to the jewish people.
I have posted about this for a couple of years.
They have the supposed room where their messiah had the last supper in the tomb of King David... This is why they want it.
Here is where I brought up the discussion last year:
http://jtf.org/forum/index.php/topic,62330.msg549891.html#msg549891
http://jtf.org/forum/index.php/topic,73873.msg622537.html#msg622537
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The supposed room is on the second floor. Even though the building did not exist 2,000 years ago, they say it was built on the site of a previous building in which Yeshu is said to have had his "last supper" in a room on the second floor.
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There is a machloket of whether King David is actually buried there. Muslims first built a mosque on the site. King David was buried in the City of David. But I've heard that his tomb was moved to the present site before the Romans destroyed Jerusalem. The site of "Mount Zion" is outside of the walled city and was even in Pre-1967 Israel. It was the holiest part of Pre-1967 Israel since it was the closest we could get to the Temple Mount. From the roof, people could see the Old City.
The Christians called it Mount Zion. It's actually "The place from where we view Zion". The real Mount Zion is the Temple Mount. Whether or not it is King David's Tomb is irrelevant. It's part of the Land of Israel and part of Jerusalem so it is forbidden to hand over Jewish property in the Land of Israel to foreign powers.
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http://www.biblewalks.com/Sites/DavidTomb.html
King David was buried at about 1000 BCE, probably in the area south of the present walled city, where the "city of David" was located. This is what the Bible tells us (1 Kings 2: 9): "So David slept with his fathers, and was buried in the city of David". Other Kings from the house of David were buried there too, as implied in Nehemiah 3, 16: "...the sepulchres of David...".
After several centuries the tombs were probably destroyed and buried under the newly expanding city. This may have happened during the 1st or 2nd C CE.
##Roman period - Mount Zion
Mount Zion was not part of the city of David, and is located several hundred meters away to the north-west. The hill was incorporated into the new city only in the Hellenistic and early Roman periods - within the new walls of the "upper" city.
An archaeological survey was conducted in 1948 after the building suffered from damages during the Independence war. According to the survey, the Roman level (end of 1st C CE) was the "ground" level of the present structure. On top of it there were several layers of construction. Based on the findings, the original building may have been an early synagogue, which was built after the destruction of the temple.
##Byzantine period
Several hundred years later, during the Byzantine period, the early Christians built several churches around Mount Zion. The archaeological survey identified the second level in this site, above the early Roman level, was a Byzantine building.
##Persian and Arab conquest
After the Arab conquest, the area remained in ruins from the 7th C until the 12th C.
The tradition of the location of King David's tomb on Mount Zion was first documented at this time (9th C).
##Crusaders
The Crusaders rebuilt some of the structures on Mount Zion, as well as many sections of Jerusalem. The archaeologists found a level from that period (12-13th C), above the Byzantine level and below the present floor.
After the Crusaders retreated the structured was cared by Monks for some time.
##Ottomans
The Ottomans did not include the area inside the 16th C wall, but regarded the site as a Holy place - the site of the King David's tomb. They banished the monks, and transformed it into a mosque, E-Nebi Daud, or: the prophet David. In the building around the site lived a Muslim family, who held the keys to the site.
In 1864 an archaeological excavation revealed a shallow cave (35M x 15M x 4M) under the ground level.
##Modern times
The Jews and Christians were banned for hundreds of years to freely visit the site. This changed in 1948 when the Independent Israel received control over the Holy site, and after the city was reunited in 1967 the site became one of the major Religious sites in the Holy Land, cherished by the three religions.
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So bibi thinks pandering to muslamics is not enough. Let's pander to all of our enemies.
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Chaim, I just want to congratulate you. It seems our message is finally getting out through your great effort.
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Meshuginas are running Israel now. It will only get worse.
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Both governments don't seem to care about history or what is honorable....Is anyone totally fed up and throwing up their hands?