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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: Boeregeneraal on August 08, 2007, 07:42:17 AM
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Shalom all
I have a person in dialogue with me, tellig me of awfull things written in the Talmud
Now, what can anyone PLEASE tell me about the Talmud?
So i can counter this guy
Toda
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If he's telling rubbish about Jews having gentile slaves and sex with children, they are all nazi lies. Lubab will debunk them in nothing flat after he comes on.
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Yes PLEASE, i need some ammunition
he basis alot of his assaults from the "evil Talmud"
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Yes PLEASE, i need some ammunition
he basis alot of his assaults from the "evil Talmud"
There are sites that address every stupid claim but you're better off not bothering. When you do present a counter claim, this guy will just say it'a a lie and part of a zionist plot.
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what facts can i sue to counter the fake "Protocols of Zion" with?
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Yes PLEASE, i need some ammunition
he basis alot of his assaults from the "evil Talmud"
There are sites that address every stupid claim but you're better off not bothering. When you do present a counter claim, this guy will just say it'a a lie and part of a zionist plot.
true. Where can i find these websites?
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what facts can i sue to counter the fake "Protocols of Zion" with?
http://www.faqs.org/faqs/judaism/FAQ/09-Antisemitism/section-9.html
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what facts can i sue to counter the fake "Protocols of Zion" with?
If you're arguing with someone who thinks that the Protocols of the Elders of Zion is real, you might as well not waste your time.
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Yes PLEASE, i need some ammunition
he basis alot of his assaults from the "evil Talmud"
Ohhhh he showing you "quotes" lol !, show us his quotes .
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It's a waste of time arguing with these people. They present a total fabrication or a misquote that will say it is permissable for a Jew to murder gentiles at will(for example).
As soon as you counter with the real quote, they claim that your Torah is only the false one that is published to fool the gentiles. You can't argue with these nut jobs. They keep moving the goal posts around. If you referr to a story on the TV news, they say it didn't happen and it's been made up by a Jewish controlled media........How can you possibly debate such lunatics?
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Hi Dexter
I will, once he has finished, i will copy and paste the conversation
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ask him if he can even read Aramaic, or did he just get all his quotes off some Nazi website.
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no, he does not speak aramaic
he's not StørmFrønt ( ???)
he's a national socialist
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no, he does not speak aramaic
he's not StørmFrønt ( ???)
he's a national socialist
That's a nazi by another name. You're wasting your time with him. Every argument you put up will be a zionist conspiracy lie as far as he's concerned.
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no, he does not speak aramaic
he's not StørmFrønt ( ???)
he's a national socialist
That's a nazi by another name. You're wasting your time with him. Every argument you put up will be a zionist conspiracy lie as far as he's concerned.
true
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no, he does not speak aramaic
he's not StørmFrønt ( ???)
he's a national socialist
national socialist=nazi .
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He's probably giving you those canned "quotes" written by this anti-semetic, but somewhat learned priest a few centuries back who tried to turn people off from Judaism so he grabbed some stuff from the Talmud took it out of context or in many cases completely misquoted and mistraslated them. Lately those misquotes have been floating around the internet.
Funny thing is, none of these fools quoting these lines have any clue about the Talmud. If they quote Berachos 28B just ask them to tell you what it says on Berachos 28A or a few lines before the quote starts.
Tell him you want to see the quote in the original Hebrew.
Ask them anything that's not in that "quote" they just copy-pasted. You'll have a good laugh as they will have no clue what to say.
Then, just direct him to JTF.org so he can see how true Torah Jews treat gentiles in practice (ask if he can explain why an Orthodox Jewish org. like JTF would allow a majority of it's members to be gentiles :D) and don't waste any more time with the Nazi.
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If Jews were going around the world on a savage campaign too destroy everything that was not Jewish, I would question the Jewish theology. From the actions of the Jewish people as a whole, being that on the vast majority are wonderful , intelligent and loving people, I have no need to question the Jewish Theology. As for Islam, scrutinize it , and we will find exactly why Muslims are violent , throat slashing nazis.
It has been my experiance over the years that the Jewish people are simple to understand. (That's not a slam either.) They want to be left the he11 alone, and if you decide to become their enemy, they will flatten you. THAT IS WHY I RESPECT THE JEWS. Muslims are on a continual war until all of the earth is dar al islam, until then we are dar al harb.
I have no need to speak, converse, text with a nazi, other than to call them what they are. ( pick a skin color insert here) trash.
Jeff
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Shalom all
Thank YOU Lubab, i will surely ask him about 28b today.
Now, when we finished speaking yesterday, as promised, i went to post the conversation, BUT, unfortunantly the post was in excess of 40, 000 words. After all, we were speaking in excess of 3 hours. I did a few edits of cutting of parts, but it wqas still in excess of the maximum allowed amount. So i did not post it. However, i was making notes, and i will list them down here:
Zangwill
Talmud
Ashkenazi
Sandhedren
Israel=Satan (the name Israel equals Satan)
Khazar Jews
Pharasees (Jews are pharasees?)
Olmert-Harbin-Chinese territory-Jews control China
Can someone please give me some ammunition-as to prove these falsehoods?
Thank you
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Shalom all
I have a person in dialogue with me, tellig me of awfull things written in the Talmud
Now, what can anyone PLEASE tell me about the Talmud?
So i can counter this guy
Toda
Boergeneral, here is the best ammo that I could give you.
This is Tovia Singer refuting most of the mistranstlated or taken out of context texts from the Talmud that Nazis and Muslims like to throw around:
http://audio.simpletoremember.com/singer/lb/Attack%20on%20Talmud.mp3
And these next two classes explain what the Talmud actually is.
http://audio.simpletoremember.com/singer/lb/Oral%20Law%201.mp3
http://audio.simpletoremember.com/singer/lb/Oral%20Law%202.mp3
These three lectures are some of the best that I have ever heard on the subject. Please listen to them at your leisure, Boeregeneral.
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I dont really understand what you want us to do with those notes .
Zangwill=ginger (plant, root)
Talmud=Talmud ???
Ashkenazis=European Jews
Sandhedren=Jewish Court of the old times
Khazar Jews=Khazars that converted to judaism (only the elite of the khazarian society converted)
Pharasees (Jews are pharasees?)=i ghess you meant Pharisee, well, read about tham here :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pharisees
Olmert-Harbin-Chinese territory-Jews control China=huh ?
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you can cut the post to two comments, the first comment will be with the first half, the second with the second half .
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Boergeneral, here is the best ammo that I could give you.
This is Tovia Singer refuting most of the mistranstlated or taken out of context texts from the Talmud that Nazis and Muslims like to throw around:
I was JUST about to post those! Good work, judeanoncapta. Yes, Tovia is one of the best.
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Shalom all
I have a person in dialogue with me, tellig me of awfull things written in the Talmud
Now, what can anyone PLEASE tell me about the Talmud?
So i can counter this guy
Toda
Boergeneral, here is the best ammo that I could give you.
This is Tovia Singer refuting most of the mistranstlated or taken out of context texts from the Talmud that Nazis and Muslims like to throw around:
http://audio.simpletoremember.com/singer/lb/Attack%20on%20Talmud.mp3
And these next two classes explain what the Talmud actually is.
http://audio.simpletoremember.com/singer/lb/Oral%20Law%201.mp3
http://audio.simpletoremember.com/singer/lb/Oral%20Law%202.mp3
These three lectures are some of the best that I have ever heard on the subject. Please listen to them at your leisure, Boeregeneral.
Thank You VERY much, this sure helped me.
It's funny, how if the Jews are really as powerfull as claimed, then why on earth is the "conspiray" so famous and easilly come by. After all, IF they were true, then they would have been silenced etc.
It's also funny, that according to them, everything is B**lSh*t - except when it rhymes with their plans. In fact, according to them, even the Bible is BS and so the Torah - yet, once again, the muslims are of pure. Well what the hell!!! if the Torah is "evil" then hey, islam is just as evil!(since without the Torah-Islam cannot exist) duh...and they carry on claiming just use logic...ai ya yay
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Shalom all
I have a person in dialogue with me, tellig me of awfull things written in the Talmud
Now, what can anyone PLEASE tell me about the Talmud?
So i can counter this guy
Toda
Boergeneral, here is the best ammo that I could give you.
This is Tovia Singer refuting most of the mistranstlated or taken out of context texts from the Talmud that Nazis and Muslims like to throw around:
http://audio.simpletoremember.com/singer/lb/Attack%20on%20Talmud.mp3
And these next two classes explain what the Talmud actually is.
http://audio.simpletoremember.com/singer/lb/Oral%20Law%201.mp3
http://audio.simpletoremember.com/singer/lb/Oral%20Law%202.mp3
These three lectures are some of the best that I have ever heard on the subject. Please listen to them at your leisure, Boeregeneral.
Thank You VERY much, this sure helped me.
It's funny, how if the Jews are really as powerfull as claimed, then why on earth is the "conspiray" so famous and easilly come by. After all, IF they were true, then they would have been silenced etc.
It's also funny, that according to them, everything is B**lSh*t - except when it rhymes with their plans. In fact, according to them, even the Bible is BS and so the Torah - yet, once again, the muslims are of pure. Well what the hell!!! if the Torah is "evil" then hey, islam is just as evil!(since without the Torah-Islam cannot exist) duh...and they carry on claiming just use logic...ai ya yay
Yes, it is interesting logic. Somehow we Jews are so powerful that we were able to fabricate the Holocaust and get Nazis to admit to what they did in open court at the Nuremberg trials, powerful enough to fabricate false gas chambers and crematoria at a moments notice, powerful enough to control the entire world and all world governments, yet unable to silence a few toothless cospiracy theorists.
I really think that these people think that Jews are superhuman. What possible idea could make a person beleive that a certain group of people have the ability to take over everything in the entire world.
Also, if we are so powerful, why the hell is our state 50 miles wide. Wouldn't a people with so much power be able to get a little more territory than a state the size of New Jersey?
It's really pointless to argue with conspiracy theorists because they need no proof for their theories, all proof has been covered up of course. And every denial is just more proof of the veracity of the theory. Of course they're all going to deny it. It's all part of the cover-up.
Anyway, it's obvious that this type of thinking will not lead someone to the truth.
P.S. Drop me a line after you listen to the lecture. I would like to hear your thoughts.
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Shalom all
I have a person in dialogue with me, tellig me of awfull things written in the Talmud
Now, what can anyone PLEASE tell me about the Talmud?
So i can counter this guy
Toda
Boergeneral, here is the best ammo that I could give you.
This is Tovia Singer refuting most of the mistranstlated or taken out of context texts from the Talmud that Nazis and Muslims like to throw around:
http://audio.simpletoremember.com/singer/lb/Attack%20on%20Talmud.mp3
And these next two classes explain what the Talmud actually is.
http://audio.simpletoremember.com/singer/lb/Oral%20Law%201.mp3
http://audio.simpletoremember.com/singer/lb/Oral%20Law%202.mp3
These three lectures are some of the best that I have ever heard on the subject. Please listen to them at your leisure, Boeregeneral.
Thank You VERY much, this sure helped me.
It's funny, how if the Jews are really as powerfull as claimed, then why on earth is the "conspiray" so famous and easilly come by. After all, IF they were true, then they would have been silenced etc.
It's also funny, that according to them, everything is B**lSh*t - except when it rhymes with their plans. In fact, according to them, even the Bible is BS and so the Torah - yet, once again, the muslims are of pure. Well what the hell!!! if the Torah is "evil" then hey, islam is just as evil!(since without the Torah-Islam cannot exist) duh...and they carry on claiming just use logic...ai ya yay
Yes, it is interesting logic. Somehow we Jews are so powerful that we were able to fabricate the Holocaust and get Nazis to admit to what they did in open court at the Nuremberg trials, powerful enough to fabricate false gas chambers and crematoria at a moments notice, powerful enough to control the entire world and all world governments, yet unable to silence a few toothless cospiracy theorists.
I really think that these people think that Jews are superhuman. What possible idea could make a person beleive that a certain group of people have the ability to take over everything in the entire world.
Also, if we are so powerful, why the hell is our state 50 miles wide. Wouldn't a people with so much power be able to get a little more territory than a state the size of New Jersey?
It's really pointless to argue with conspiracy theorists because they need no proof for their theories, all proof has been covered up of course. And every denial is just more proof of the veracity of the theory. Of course they're all going to deny it. It's all part of the cover-up.
Anyway, it's obvious that this type of thinking will not lead someone to the truth.
P.S. Drop me a line after you listen to the lecture. I would like to hear your thoughts.
Exactly!!!
They say we must simply use LOGIC. and when one does listen to their crap-one uses LOGIC, and there is just noo way their theories can be true. yet, once you use that logic, and come to the conclusion that their speaking crap,-they're quick to claim that EVERYTHING is lies. ::)
It reminds me of a documentary on Genocide. "One has to always dehumanise (claims that Jews eat babies), but more importantly, make the enemy appear POWERFULL, and STRONG (Jews control eveyrthing etc etc blah blah). Because when one's "enemy" appears powerful and evil, one tends to do somethingabout it.
As far as Jews eating babies ::). Using Logic (as recomended by the anti-Jews), one can see the propoganda behind that. For instance, what will draw one to arms? Answer: when one's children are threatend. Thats the rule in the animal kingdom, and in Human beings. Once there is a believe that one's children are threatend (going to be gobbled up by Jews ::) ), it's human nature to see those as the enemy, and act upon it.
I will send you my thoughts of those audio, once if finished watching the last 2. But they were a great help, and I thank you.
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Theres no point in wasting your time with these fanatics... we are not trying to convince evil otherwise of the truth... they are doomed to live a life of lies...
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Here are some sites debunking lies about Talmud that (I think) I copied from this forum:
http://www.angelfire.com/mt/talmud/
http://www.skepticwiki.org/index.php/Correcting_the_misquotes%3B_Part_2.
http://www.rense.com/general21/tal.htm