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Mother Of Murdered Israeli Empathizes With Parents Of Slain Arab
http://news.yahoo.com/gaza-militants-unleash-heavy-rocket-fire-israel-203044041.html
Rachelle Fraenkel, the mother of one of the slain Israeli teenagers, said that even from the "abyss" of her own pain, she could not describe her distress over the killing of the Arab boy.
"No mother and father should endure what we are going through now. We feel the pain of Mohammed Abu Khdeir's parents," she said.
:o :o :o
This is why Israel is in the trouble she is in. Even the so-called religious nationalists are hopelessly self-hating. :'( >:(
LSDBR
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The Arabs aren't as self-hating. The Arab mother called for REVENGE and NOTHING happened to her.
Anyway this is only 1 of the mothers and not all 3 so don't clump them together for nothing. She's American as well and that Askenasi-American mentality as well.
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The Arabs aren't as self-hating. The Arab mother called for REVENGE and NOTHING happened to her.
Anyway this is only 1 of the mothers and not all 3 so don't clump them together for nothing. She's American as well and that Askenasi-American mentality as well.
OK true. Let's see what the other two have to say. However, it's undeniable that as long as Israel has as much if not more compassion on the enemy than their own families, it will be on the brink of annihilation.
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OK true. Let's see what the other two have to say. However, it's undeniable that as long as Israel has as much if not more compassion on the enemy than their own families, it will be on the brink of annihilation.
your correct about that last statement. The idiocy that many I'm talking to is beyond comprehension. They spend their time and energy condemning the Jews and not fighting the enemies. Its a sick world.
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http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/182516
Murdered Arab Teen's Mother Calls for Violent Revenge
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Can you imagine the pain these women are in?
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Sometimes I just ashamed to be a Jew. Arabs are much more proud of their heritage, religion and people than we are. We have been brainwashed over the years through oppression and tyranny to hate ourselves and look down upon ourselves. It goes back to all the traditional resentments that goyim have had against Jews: from how we murdered Jesus, mixed the blood of CHristian children with our matzah, how we robbed and stole from everyone to enrich ourselves and now , of course, how we butcher and torment the poor, innocent, loving Palestinian people.
This is where the term "Self-Hating Jew"was coined. We Jews have been indoctrinated to hate ourselves and to never be proud of what we are. The world, however, has always had a deep resentment of the Jews that stem back to the Bible, of a promise from G-d, that we are The Chosen People. Whereas the rest of the world, Christians/Catholics/Muslims all considered themselves CHosen and the Jews as heretics, there was always that knowledge in the back of their head that they were, in fact, the ones who have manipulated and modified the truth of G-d's Promise for their own self-interests.
This is why you will not see many Jacob Rosenblums coming from the Arab community. However, there are all too many Jacob Rosenblum's among the Jewish community. Even my own FORMER Chabad Rabbi is good friend's with this Jacob Rosenblum and welcomes him to his Shabbat table. Why? Because a Jew who hates his own people and nation is considered acceptable and even encouraged. A Jew that hates his own people is considered noble due to generations of brainwashing from those who have oppressed us.
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Could care less about the rat!
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your correct about that last statement. The idiocy that many I'm talking to is beyond comprehension. They spend their time and energy condemning the Jews and not fighting the enemies. Its a sick world.
Are you referring to Gentile anti-Semites or SHJs?
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The slain sand cushi was photographed holding up 3 fingers, which means he supported her son's death. As the mother she should be happy to hear that he or any A-rat was offed.
Agreed. This is an insane woman and God will judge her, grieving or not. I hope she doesn't turn into another Cindy Sheehan.
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Really she is showing how much better the Jew's are compared the Arats. She is showing that Jew's care about the suffering of children and humanity no matter who they are. It is big waste of time with these people though.
I sorry, I just don't think we should bash a woman that just lost her son. How many of you have lost loved ones, it kinda makes you a little crazy. ..
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Really she is showing how much better the Jew's are compared the Arats. She is showing that Jew's care about the suffering of children and humanity no matter who they are. It is big waste of time with these people though.
I sorry, I just don't think we should bash a woman that just lost her son. How many of you have lost loved ones, it kinda makes you a little crazy. ..
She is acting like Cindy Sheehan.
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Jews.
I wouldn't bad mouth her though.
Actually this is something I wrote to and for another lady that had her son butchered.
http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/how-dare-you/?fb_comment_id=fbc_764559540263084_764691460249892_764691460249892
Her article and my comments below as well. (then their were replies by other attacking me and my then replying to them.
Mozik Bukharsky
"Sorry lady for your loss of your son, but look at the ROOT cause of it. It was Arab murderers who are in our midst. Had we listened to the Torah and those who advocated it (such as Rav Kahane) your son would probably be alive today because their wouldn't be Arab murderers running around freely in Eress Yisrael.
Having a loss doesn't qualify you to speak in the name of Torah, Judaism and what is right and correct. We don't want to be the perpetual victims as unfortunately most Jews today wish to be. Get some moral clarity and know what and whom we are dealing with. Sorry for your personal loss, let's not have a situation where their are many more losses for everyone else because of the stupidity of our people. "
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It is a misconception to say that sympathy for the enemy is actually a "high road" or makes you "better than them". This is a concept that has permeated western thinking due to the predominance of Christianity, which was founded by self-hating Jews. That's why this is also the argument that you are hearing from the Jewish leftists, who do not care enough about their own people to purge the evil from among them. When Amalek attacked Israel, they were commanded to wipe out the whole Amalekite nation and not forget what Amalek did to Israel. Unfortunately many Jews these days have short memories. Just a short time after 3 Jewish teens were killed, the mother of one of the teens forgets all about this and starts sympathizing with the enemy who supports the death of her son.
:clap: Another great reasonable line of thinking. Thinking with clarity. (Sorry I have to "steal" it again).
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It is a misconception to say that sympathy for the enemy is actually a "high road" or makes you "better than them". This is a concept that has permeated western thinking due to the predominance of Christianity, which was founded by self-hating Jews. That's why this is also the argument that you are hearing from the Jewish leftists, who do not care enough about their own people to purge the evil from among them. When Amalek attacked Israel, they were commanded to wipe out the whole Amalekite nation and not forget what Amalek did to Israel. Unfortunately many Jews these days have short memories. Just a short time after 3 Jewish teens were killed, the mother of one of the teens forgets all about this and starts sympathizing with the enemy who supports the death of her son.
It comes from self-hating, distorted, mainline Christianity from within the past 200 years.
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I think this thread stinks...
Reserve your judgement against the victim... You have no right to make statements like these.
As a relative of a victim of terror I can tell you that a mother goes through so much after losing a son. You cannot condemn her for her opinion.
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I think this thread stinks...
Reserve your judgement against the victim... You have no right to make statements like these.
As a relative of a victim of terror I can tell you that a mother goes through so much after losing a son. You cannot condemn her for her opinion.
Muman, caring more about dead Amalek than your own child is batty, to say the least. People like Mrs. Frenkel are why Israel is attacked 24/7 literally and figuratively.
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Muman, caring more about dead Amalek than your own child is batty, to say the least. People like Mrs. Frenkel are why Israel is attacked 24/7 literally and figuratively.
I am not judging her at this time. You are free to do as you wish. But it is without taste and it is cruel. I have witnessed a lot of cruelty the last week and tried to remain silent. All those who seek to blame one Jewish faction or another, by rabbis and by individuals, is completely wrong.
We do not create unity by promoting the divisions between Jews.
Whether it is right or wrong is another question. I do not, and will not, join in making harsh statements against this woman.
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She is so 'self-hating' she sends her boy to a Yeshiva in Jerusalem? Really...
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Muman, her being Jewish has nothing to do with it, other than the facts that the Jews have suffered like no other people on planet earth throughout human history. If she were a Christian, Hindu, Buddhist, etc. who was taking this stance I'd have the exact same stance.
I don't think we should hate this woman, but we should recognize her as being sick in her grief and from her brainwashing. Most of Israel shares these insane pity-for-the-enemy sentiments or has them even worse. When even religious conservatives hold these crazy views, it is undeniable that the country and Western civilization are in trouble.
The situation is almost akin to that other insane mindset that we are all brainwashed to support, homosexuality. We shouldn't blindly hate gays but we do need to call it what it is, a mental illness that is completely destroying Western civilization. Homosexuals are mentally unwell and they need psychological help.
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Muman, her being Jewish has nothing to do with it, other than the facts that the Jews have suffered like no other people on planet earth throughout human history. If she were a Christian, Hindu, Buddhist, etc. who was taking this stance I'd have the exact same stance.
I don't think we should hate this woman, but we should recognize her as being sick in her grief and from her brainwashing. Most of Israel shares these insane pity-for-the-enemy sentiments or has them even worse. When even religious conservatives hold these crazy views, it is undeniable that the country and Western civilization are in trouble.
The situation is almost akin to that other insane mindset that we are all brainwashed to support, homosexuality. We shouldn't blindly hate gays but we do need to call it what it is, a mental illness that is completely destroying Western civilization. Homosexuals are mentally unwell and they need psychological help.
I agree that there are issue which must be dealt with...
But I think it is premature to start blaming the families of the victims (or even appearing to).
While I am prepared for war, I also long for peace. Peace is the ideal state that Hashem (our G-d) prefers. We pray for the peace of Jerusalem, and peace in the heavens and the earth. Peace is the goal of creation. It is for this reason I believe that many people, Jews included, often err on the side of peace over acting strongly against the enemy.
What we must be able to do is explain rationally why there are times peace is not attainable, and after we have tried in vain to bring peace through peaceful means that stronger action is called for. This is the way I try to explain things to those who are 'squeemish' about confrontation.
We know our peaceful ways are superior to the brutish blood lust of the muslims. But we also must act in a way which defeats the enemy. As we are wont to say, "One who is merciful to the cruel, will be cruel to the merciful", and when we treat enemies as 'neighbors' we will quickly be defeated by our enemies.
We must not confuse our 'neighbor' who the Torah informs us is a 'Jew or righteous convert, or righteous noachide' with the enemy (who happens to live next door).
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Certainly I am of the belief that the only response to this kind of violence is overwhelming violence to shock the enemies into fear. I have witnessed the unfolding of the so-called 'peace' plans and have come to the conclusion that it is a royal waste of time and effort. No matter how much is given to our opposition, they will never be satisfied with it. What the entire nation must come to realize is that there is NO peace partner and rather a neighbor whose prime goal is to remove us from our land and remove our souls from this world. There is no reasoning with the enemy, they say one thing and do another.
Land for peace is a failed strategy. It is insane to expect a different result when we keep doing the same things in order to 'bring the arabs to the table'. We are not helping the arabs, nor are we helping ourselves, only bringing more death and destruction into the world. Jews are the rightful heirs to the land and the arabs are usurpers who have the goal (as Amalek does) to separate the people of Israel from the Land of Israel...
I call for Israel to remove the evil from our midst, send the arabs far away so they cannot return.
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She empathizes with the other mother because she is a good person and she knows the other person is hurting too and wants to be kind. However I am sure the Arabs would only be pleased at her own son's death and would not feel a similar compassion for her.
One of the biggest challenges is trying to teach good people to reserve their love and compassion for people who should have it. It's so easy to empathize with anybody who is hurting but sometimes, it's important to hold back, because having sympathy for your enemy will make you forget that they are your enemy, and this is dangerous.
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Chaim I would like for you to chime in, please.
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One of the biggest challenges is trying to teach good people to reserve their love and compassion for people who should have it. It's so easy to empathize with anybody who is hurting but sometimes, it's important to hold back, because having sympathy for your enemy will make you forget that they are your enemy, and this is dangerous.
Very well stated!
It's indeed dangerous when one is kind to the cruel. The Arab Muslim Nazis have proven time and again for well over 1000 years that they are cruel.
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I have absolutely no sympathy for the dead Arab Rump Ranger.
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She empathizes with the other mother because she is a good person and she knows the other person is hurting too and wants to be kind. However I am sure the Arabs would only be pleased at her own son's death and would not feel a similar compassion for her.
One of the biggest challenges is trying to teach good people to reserve their love and compassion for people who should have it. It's so easy to empathize with anybody who is hurting but sometimes, it's important to hold back, because having sympathy for your enemy will make you forget that they are your enemy, and this is dangerous.
As much as I like to agree with this, we must remember how many so-called "INNOCENT" German children were burned alive, dismembered, crippled, maimed and killed by the Allies during their attacks on Germany in the 1930s and 1940s. Did we here endless amounts of crying and weeping by English, French, Russian and American mothers for the dead German children? Was there Christian pastors and priests in England and USA crying that the men who shot a German child who lay there and die in a puddle of blood slowly and painfully, be tried, imprisoned and/or executed?? NO.. You didn't hear those things back then, why?? Because they were our enemy , who were out to destroy us and we were at war and had only one goal, to stop the threat.
This is what we call war. We should spend less time weeping for our enemy and spend more time fighting for our survival, because those three Jewish boys murdered will be the beginning of many more murdered Jewish boys and girls.
Forget NEVER AGAIN, now we should just say ONCE AGAIN, because we haven't learned from our mistakes in the past.
The problem is that too many people here , including my FORMER Rabbi think that the Arabs in Israel are as much "Israeli" as anybody else who lives in the country. They forget that these very Arabs have only one desire and that is to eradicate the Jewish population in their beloved "Palestine" from the Earth. If we spent more time fighting them then begging for forgiveness and weeping for them we could b
I'm not Torah scholar, but I have read countless excerpts where Hashem punished the Israelites for yielding and sympathizing with enemies who sought to destroy Israel. In the end, Israel suffered because of this and we are suffering for it now.
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She is not a wimp. She has faith and strong morality. She has a s different opinion then you, that doesn't make her wimpy. I can tell you for myself it bothers me too if the 6 Jews murdered an Arab teenager and in the brutality they used is true.
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She is not a wimp. She has faith and strong morality. She has a s different opinion then you, that doesn't make her wimpy. I can tell you for myself it bothers me too if the 6 Jews murdered an Arab teenager and in the brutality they used is true.
Perhaps the butchery of that Arab was a cry for help of Jews who have been tormented and oppressed for too long by their fellow Arab citizens??
Eye for an eye is no longer valid, I know, but how about 1000 eyes for an eye?? The Jews have lost enough eyes.
P.S.
I have to say that ChaimFan calling the mother who had her son butchered a hellenized wimp was probably not in good timing or best taste. However, I understand his sentiments, but wish he could have been a bit more sensitive considering the hell she has been through.
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She is not a wimp. She has faith and strong morality. She has a s different opinion then you, that doesn't make her wimpy. I can tell you for myself it bothers me too if the 6 Jews murdered an Arab teenager and in the brutality they used is true.
I am not saying she should advocate retaliatory acts of murder. I am saying that her saying she feels just as bad about the death of the Amalek enemy that is murdering her people as her own children is over the top, and is a sign of weakness.
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The world would be a more perfect place with the big elephant in the room was noticed.
If only the Israeli government and IDF were the right winged extremists, there would be no need for Kahanists or revenge killings.
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I didn't say anything but it must have missed your attention, that Rachel Frankel in a speech during a solidarity gathering in TelAviv had said, BEFORE the bodies had been uncovered, that they thank Abu Mazen and the Mayor of Hebron for calling for the boys' release. I didn't like that statement but I thought it might be something the evil Israeli regime put in her mouth so I didn't hold it against her. I means I still don't, I think it is a mistake to "thank" them in any circumstance but if she thinks differently and considering the terrible tragic situation I don't judge her.
I am not saying she should advocate retaliatory acts of murder. I am saying that her saying she feels just as bad about the death of the Amalek enemy that is murdering her people as her own children is over the top, and is a sign of weakness.
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Never saw that. I guess it is not entirely impossible that she is being forced to make these statements under the threat of legal penalties (or torture for that matter), but I am assuming that she isn't.
But, yes, anyone who doesn't think Israel employs torture (against rightist dissidents) is living under a rock. Just because the drugged-out zombies who had tantrums when soldiers made terror suspects stand up on boxes aren't complaining about this torture doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
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No one had forced her. I suggested the regime might have persuaded her that saying these things are in the best interests of finding the boys. But more likely it came from her.
Never saw that. I guess it is not entirely impossible that she is being forced to make these statements under the threat of legal penalties (or torture for that matter), but I am assuming that she isn't.
But, yes, anyone who doesn't think Israel employs torture (against rightist dissidents) is living under a rock. Just because the drugged-out zombies who had tantrums when soldiers made terror suspects stand up on boxes aren't complaining about this torture doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
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No one had forced her. I suggested the regime might have persuaded her that saying these things are in the best interests of finding the boys. But more likely it came from her.
If it came from her then she's dumb.
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Even R.Kahane's own wife Libby didn't call for revenge when Arab terrorists, likely with Israeli collusion, pumped 30 bullets in to her son, our BZK, in 2000!
It could well be that R.Kahane's own wife and some of his family were quite far from Kahanism. Some people just have no 'revenge gene' in them under any circumstances
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No one had forced her. I suggested the regime might have persuaded her that saying these things are in the best interests of finding the boys. But more likely it came from her.
It came from her. Her son was already murdered and it was after the funeral that then the Arab was killed. And I don't think that she was forced as well. The State cant force her especially someone that is famous (somewhat and in the public eye).
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I agree with Muman. Attacking this poor woman now is in bad taste. Not that I approve of her sentiments, but we should have a compassion on the bereaved and grief-stricken mother.
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Even R.Kahane's own wife Libby didn't call for revenge when Arab terrorists, likely with Israeli collusion, pumped 30 bullets in to her son, our BZK, in 2000!
It could well be that R.Kahane's own wife and some of his family were quite far from Kahanism. Some people just have no 'revenge gene' in them under any circumstances
(http://img6.bdbphotos.com/images/orig/j/d/jdf5ff0han2t2n0.jpg?djet1p5k)
But these same people are quick to demand maximum punishment for Jewish "criminals". Look at Moshe Feiglin.
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Eventually, Need for survival will tell people that they have to think of their own people and safety!
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Eventually, Need for survival will tell people that they have to think of their own people and safety!
Exactly! How can six million people facing genocide from the whole world not see that?
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Well, she's a woman. Let's face it, folks that Jewish women, historically, have been the most self-hating women in the world. It were the self-hating Jewish women like Betty Friedan who started feminazi movement in order to combat "traditional Judaism" which they viewed as not only the epitome of sexism, but also as, perhaps, the major root of historically-established misogyny and patriarchy. They've been accusing Jewish religion of the worst things imaginable: unequal hierarchical marriages, unilateral divorces, condoning of wife beating, ability of men to engage in extramarital sex and even rape. There are whole organizations and websites dedicated to fight "Jewish misogyny".
If that's not enough, look what I've found on a radical feminazi Jewish website, something that I posted in a separate thread:
http://jwa.org/encyclopedia/article/divorce-halakhic-perspective
On the other hand, most rabbinic authorities maintain that the Legislation of the Academy specifically authorized rabbis to force Jewish husbands to give their wives a Jewish divorce in the event that their wives claimed that they were repulsive to them. The Legislation was apparently a response to the social phenomenon of Jewish women who, in the Middle Ages, appealed to the Muslim courts to coerce their husbands to give them a get and who were even willing to convert to Islam if their husband would not agree to divorce them.
I'm not suggesting that all Jewish women are self-hating, God forbid. But the ugly truth is that, historically, the overwhelming majority of them were and are to this day.
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This woman is an Orthodox Jewish woman who had her son murdered and probably is buying into self-hating Jewish propaganda being fed to her not from Jewish women, but from the liberal left and even many self-hating Rabbis, who took it upon themselves to mourn the murdered Arab over their own murdered Jewish son.
You cannot just attack Jewish women as feminazis whores and try to put this grieving and confused women into their camp. Many of these Orthodox Jewish women who live in the Settlement areas are the most noble, humble, kind and nurturing women you have ever met. So, please, maybe you can be a bit more sensitive than to just try to associate this grieving woman with Jewish feminazis. There are plenty of self-hating Jewish men to accompany those feminazis as well.
I agree that feminism has been a great curse to the Jewish people and it is very prevalent among secular Jewish women. I know because I grew up with a very dominating and feminist Jewish mother from New Jersey. Her mother was even more so. However, I have seen both sides of the coins. Jewish women can be some of the most nurturing and loving , but on the flip side, some of the most dominating and feministic.
Well, she's a woman. Let's face it, folks that Jewish women, historically, have been the most self-hating women in the world. It were the self-hating Jewish women like Betty Friedan who started feminazi movement in order to combat "traditional Judaism" which they viewed as not only the epitome of sexism, but also as, perhaps, the major root of historically-established misogyny and patriarchy. They've been accusing Jewish religion of the worst things imaginable: unequal hierarchical marriages, unilateral divorces, condoning of wife beating, ability of men to engage in extramarital sex and even rape. There are whole organizations and websites dedicated to fight "Jewish misogyny".
If that's not enough, look what I've found on a radical feminazi Jewish website, something that I posted in a separate thread:
I'm not suggesting that all Jewish women are self-hating, God forbid. But the ugly truth is that, historically, the overwhelming majority of them were and are to this day.
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I know many great and noble Orthodox Jewish women... And even non-Orthodox Jewish women who are very pro Israel... I am tired of seeing people say things like 'all Jews' or 'virtually all Jews' do this or that.... When I see that I know it is not true and I discount the entire idea.
Also you can be pro-Israel and pro-Jewish and still mourn for the murder of an arab. I do not see that there is a contradiction there. The fact is that this kid was murdered. It was not justified by any Halachic law and it was carried out by people who appear to have criminal tendencies. I have explained my opinion on the halachic issues involved (declaring a war vs random murder).
It is also wrong to condemn a Jewish woman who is in a state of mourning. She is reacting to emotions and not thinking clearly. I had this issue with my mother after my brother was killed. Although she was not concerned with the lives of the enemy, she has always been a person who attempts to love every soul. Over the years she has come to realize that sometimes enemies will remain enemies, and enemies which want to kill us must be killed themselves.
Rather than condemn a woman in mourning it would be more appropriate to console her and explain to her why it is important to wage war against those who seek to kill more Jews. Tit-for-tat revenge killing is the stupidest thing to do, IMHO.
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I know many great and noble Orthodox Jewish women... And even non-Orthodox Jewish women who are very pro Israel... I am tired of seeing people say things like 'all Jews' or 'virtually all Jews' do this or that.... When I see that I know it is not true and I discount the entire idea.
So you're denying that most Jewish women are self-hating? What about the information that I posted about Jewish women converting to Islam thinking that islam would save them from "oppressive Jewish marriages"? What about the fact that most Jewish women (especially today) intermarry?
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So you're denying that most Jewish women are self-hating? What about the information that I posted about Jewish women converting to Islam thinking that islam would save them from "oppressive Jewish marriages"? What about the fact that most Jewish women (especially today) intermarry?
What is more a problem is Jewish men who intermarry.... And it is the men who intermarry who are the biggest losers.
A child born to a Jewish woman who has married a non-Jew is Jewish. While a child born to a Jewish man and a non-Jewish woman is NOT Jewish.
And I do not see any statistics which support your position YS2J...
Regarding the divorce issue... That was during the medieval times and I also don't know if I trust the source of that information. But the aguna problem is a problem which needs to be resolved.
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Our Holy Torah itself paints the woman as the more righteous of the two partners.
1) Women did not participate in the sin of the golden calf. They did not give their gold to build it.
2) Women did not accept the lies of the spies and as a result they did not die in the 40 years in the desert.
3) A woman was responsible for saving one of the gang of Korachs rebels.
4) The Judge and Prophetess Deborah is a prime example of a nationalistic and strong woman.
Women do not need to daven 3 times a day because their souls are already on a high level so they do not need as much davening as a man.
Regarding intermarriage. It is the responsibility of Jewish men to marry Jewish women... It is the man who has the command to 'be fruitful and multiply'.
http://www.shemayisrael.com/parsha/kahn/archives/pinchas65.htm
This was not the first time that righteous women stayed loyal to the words of G'd where the men failed. At the sin of the golden calf, where the seed of the decree against the Jewish men was planted, prohibiting them from entering the Holy Land (see Rashi Bamidbar 14:33), we find that the women did not participate. Aaron, in an effort to delay the making of the calf, told the men to go and remove the gold rings in the ears of their wives and children (Shemos 32:2). However, we are told immediately after Aaron's delay tactic that the people removed their own rings from their ears. As our sages point out, the women never participated in the making of the golden calf. This was not due to the fact that the women were not ready to part with their jewellery. As we find at the time of the erection of the Tabernacle, it says: (Shemos 35:22) "And the men came with the women …" The commentaries point out that it appears that the men were only secondary to the women in donating the gold and silver. So we see that the women were more than ready to give their jewelry to a worthy cause but remained loyal to G'd at the sin of the golden calf.
http://www.torah.org/learning/perceptions/5760/shlach.html
However, as true as this may be, in this week's parshah, women are the heroes. For, as the Midrash points out, the women were not involved in the sin of the spies. Quite the contrary! the women agreed with Kaleiv and Yehoshua, who urged the Jewish people to overcome their fears of the new land and go up and possess it as a gift from G-d! So why place this mitzvah here, in this week's parshah?
http://www.shemayisrael.com/parsha/kahn/archives/korach64.htm
Korach organized a revolt against Moses and Aaron. No mention is made of "On". On was saved by his wife. Korach's wife fanned the flames of revolt. On's wife built her house with her wisdom. Korach's wife destroyed her house with her foolishness. A woman has the ability to build up her husband or to destroy him. If a man is worthy, his wife will help him to fulfill his potential; however, if a man is unworthy, his wife will fight against him. Everything depends on the woman. Deborah, a great prophet and judge, still referred to herself as a "mother".
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Even R.Kahane's own wife Libby didn't call for revenge when Arab terrorists, likely with Israeli collusion, pumped 30 bullets in to her son, our BZK, in 2000!
It could well be that R.Kahane's own wife and some of his family were quite far from Kahanism. Some people just have no 'revenge gene' in them under any circumstances
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This could very well be because one time in a corespondance with her I said Yimach Shmo on Bertram Zweibon,YM"S & she gave me a musar shmuz about saying YM"S on another Jew.
But Zweibon surely deserved that after his name.
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I didn't say that Mrs. Frenkel is scum of the earth or a feminazi or not a real Jew or anything like that. I said that she is a wimp, has insane thinking, etc.
Show me where I said she is a horrible person, ok?
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I didn't say that Mrs. Frenkel is scum of the earth or a feminazi or not a real Jew or anything like that. I said that she is a wimp, has insane thinking, etc.
Show me where I said she is a horrible person, ok?
I don't think she's horrible, but most Jewish women are.
What is more a problem is Jewish men who intermarry.... And it is the men who intermarry who are the biggest losers.
I don't condone intermarriage under any circumstances, but sorry, I can't blame Jewish men for wanting to intermarry. What Jewish husband would want to have a self-hating Jewish wife who would regularly say to him: "I don't wont to be in synagog! I don't wont u to be in synagog! Synagog is very terrible thing where evil rabbees segregeyt weemen from men and bless God for not making them weemen. Oy-oy-oy!"
If you don't understand what I'm talking about, take a look at this:
http://blogs.forward.com/sisterhood-blog/200635/debating-my-boyfriend-over-israels-orthodox-rule/
Regarding the divorce issue... That was during the medieval times and I also don't know if I trust the source of that information. But the aguna problem is a problem which needs to be resolved.
The so called "aguna problem" is a myth and a hoax. I don't believe a second in this Jew-hating propaganda. Every year, there is an "aguna problem". Every year, self-hating sluts go to every possible journalist in the news media to report to the whole world how Judaism denigrates women and how evil Jewish men are.
They would say stuff like "You see! You see! My Jooeesh hasben is oppressing me! Look at rabbees, these hat-wearing bearded weemen-heyteers! Joodaeezm oppresses weemen! Oy-oy-oy! Don't mery Joo hasbens ever! Ever! Joo hasbens beet, reyp, cheet on you! Joo hasbens are unfaithful! Beware them! Oy-oy-oy! Mery gentiles! Or better, mery moosleems! Moosleem hasbens are best! Moosleem courts allow weemen divorce! Jooeesh courts heyt weemen! Every Jooeesh weemen should convert to Islum! Best religion for weemen! Mery moosleem, move to Iran, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, so manee moosleem cantrees on you choice! But don't ever mery Joo! They heyt weemen! Bewaaaaare!"
Look at this, for instance. Already a new aguna case came up. How fast!? Look at how this self-hating slut slanders her husband. She literally accuses her husband of rape.
http://www.jpost.com/Jewish-World/Jewish-Features/A-womans-struggle-for-a-Jewish-divorce-in-Brooklyn-360886
Also, look at the comment her fellow ugly feminazi kikess posted right below:
Hadasah Perry · Top Commenter · Owner at Crystals by Hadassah
Thank G-d my husband is Christian!
Reply · · July 1 at 3:59pm
You see? They thank God their husbands are not Jewish. Their major goal is not to be "released" from oppressive marriage - their major goal is to promote anti-Semitism of the worst kind imaginable. It is a grave sin in Judaism that leads to the most severe punishments applicable.
Shall I not remind you once again of how medieval Jewish women used to become muslims believing that islam would "liberate" them from "oppressive Jewish culture"? If that's not the sickest and vilest example of self-hatred, than I don't know what is.
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Im sorry YS2JOBBIK but I really don't know what you are talking about.
Your portrayal of Jewish women is very poor. Im sorry you feel like this, but it is not the true situation.
There indeed is problems with the divorce situation. It is not only feminists who encounter the problem. I cannot imagine why you say these things. Sounds like you have a lot of anger at women.
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The righteous Jewish women of Israel will be the merit for the coming of Moshiach.
I do not agree with you that women who attend Orthodox synagogues are such feminists. I know many women who accept the womans role in Judaism and they are the most modest, most beautiful people. I would not drag the entire Jewish woman down with the kind of defamation you are speaking.
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I do not agree with you that women who attend Orthodox synagogues are such feminists.
Where did I even say this?
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Unfortunately, the majority of Jews including most of us and even religious Orthodox Jews are under the spell of Hellenist concepts. This is the result if the punishment of the galut exile. So some of us are changing our ways to understand the Jewish response.
That's why jtf needs to spread like wildfire in Israel.
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Im sorry YS2JOBBIK but I really don't know what you are talking about.
Your portrayal of Jewish women is very poor. Im sorry you feel like this, but it is not the true situation.
There indeed is problems with the divorce situation. It is not only feminists who encounter the problem. I cannot imagine why you say these things. Sounds like you have a lot of anger at women.
I agree with Muman here.. Jobbik, don't just trash on our Jewish women.. I can understand your sentiments about feminism and Judaism, but there are still many good, humble, righteous and honorable Jewish women.
How can you even come on a Jewish forum and label the majority of Jewish women as feminist whores. . Seriously.. This woman is a grieving mother who just lost her child.. Have you ever lived on the Settlements and have been with these people? Have you been on the front lines in Arab-occupied lands of Israel? In war, sometimes people even feel sorry for an enemy it is not uncommon. THis lady probably feels torn by the bloodshed.
It is sad she cannot see the big picture and that thse vicious Arab barbarians instigated all this bloodshed of children and started all these wars as we know it. However, she probably is out of her wits. To say that she is a feminist Jewish whore, I think you have gone too far this time my friend.
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Unfortunately, the majority of Jews including most of us and even religious Orthodox Jews are under the spell of Hellenist concepts. This is the result if the punishment of the galut exile. So some of us are changing our ways to understand the Jewish response.
That's why jtf needs to spread like wildfire in Israel.
I also agree with you Dan.. Many Orthodox Jews now are twisting all the religious knowledge they have as a means to hellenize or even liberalize Judaism into some type of pacifistic or self-hating ideology that it truly is not.
Jews have undergone thousands of years of brainwashing and being treated as inferior and diabolic creatures that were to be held in contempt. Many Jews to this day still feel guilt for something they did not even do 2000 years ago, but has been laid upon them for generations due to the misinformation spread by vicious Anti-Semites.
It is time we become vigilant , strong and noble like in the early days and reclaim our land even if it means going as far to declare war on all of Europe. I'd rather see Europe crash and burn then Israel crash and burn to try to keep friendly with Mother Europe.
When will Israel learn to let go of the grip of the Mother that never loved her and open her arms to the Father who always has?
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I agree with Muman here.. Jobbik, don't just trash on our Jewish women.. I can understand your sentiments about feminism and Judaism, but there are still many good, humble, righteous and honorable Jewish women.
How can you even come on a Jewish forum and label the majority of Jewish women as feminist whores. . Seriously.. This woman is a grieving mother who just lost her child.. Have you ever lived on the Settlements and have been with these people? Have you been on the front lines? In war, sometimes people even feel sorry for an enemy it is not uncommon. THis lady probably feels torn by the bloodshed.
It is sad she cannot see the big picture and that thse vicious Arab barbarians instigated all this bloodshed of children and started all these wars as we know it. However, she probably is out of her wits. To say that she is a feminist Jewish whore, I think you have gone too far this time my friend.
I never said that she's "a feminist Jewish whore". Stop misquoting me.
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I never said that she's "a feminist Jewish whore". Stop misquoting me.
Ok, sorry. You didn't refer to her, in particular, but you were referencing how many Jewish women are feminists and responsible for many of the evils in the world. I'm not saying that Jewish women haven't contributed but one bit of grief I get all the time is about our evil women and how Jewish women destroyed womankind, promote lesbianism/homosexuality, abortion, etc. I don't want people blaming Jews for all the evils of society, as Jewish women may have played their part, but are not solely responsible.
And, as I said, there are many great and honorable Jewish women, the feminazi whores and liberals are from a whole different culture, in itself. Just ,as Chaim Ben Pesach and Shimon Peres are from different walks of life , yet both ethnically Jews.
THis is the post that really disturbed me that you posted, in fact, it almost sounds like you were including this grieving mother among the other "self-hating Jewish women" you are referring to, but I am giving you the benefit of the doubt, that you were not being inclusive here, but just generalizing. I do not like these type of generalizations, however. A majority of secular Jewish women (and men) are this way, but to say a majority of Jewish women are like this?
Well, she's a woman. Let's face it, folks that Jewish women, historically, have been the most self-hating women in the world. It were the self-hating Jewish women like Betty Friedan who started feminazi movement in order to combat "traditional Judaism" which they viewed as not only the epitome of sexism, but also as, perhaps, the major root of historically-established misogyny and patriarchy. They've been accusing Jewish religion of the worst things imaginable: unequal hierarchical marriages, unilateral divorces, condoning of wife beating, ability of men to engage in extramarital sex and even rape. There are whole organizations and websites dedicated to fight "Jewish misogyny".
If that's not enough, look what I've found on a radical feminazi Jewish website, something that I posted in a separate thread:
I'm not suggesting that all Jewish women are self-hating, God forbid. But the ugly truth is that, historically, the overwhelming majority of them were and are to this day.
Aren't the overall majority of most Western women feminist and self-hating? YOu will find many more Scandinavian or Irish girls with Muslim boyfriends than Jewish girls. I've heard of many Serbian girls marrying Albanian guys. How can Jewish women get singled out for being so self-hating and other women of the world overlooked?
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I told you all this was happened when you posted that the boys were killed.