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anti-Zionist Islam-emulating Lev Tahor beasts are kicked out of Guatemala
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/centralamericaandthecaribbean/guatemala/11065563/Jewish-sect-expelled-from-Guatemalan-village-after-clashes-with-Mayan-villagers.html
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anti-Zionist Islam-emulating Lev Tahor beasts are kicked out of Guatemala
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/centralamericaandthecaribbean/guatemala/11065563/Jewish-sect-expelled-from-Guatemalan-village-after-clashes-with-Mayan-villagers.html
Poor Mayans. I hope they realize these people aren't real Jews.
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This is because they were Jews, not because they were anti Zionists.
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This is because they were Jews, not because they were anti Zionists.
How do you know that?
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How do you know that?
Guatamalens wouldn't have a problem. They said their clothes are the problem.
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Guatamalens wouldn't have a problem. They said their clothes are the problem.
Oh great. Looks like it's too late. Fortunately there are those in Guatemala who support Israel (http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4554970,00.html).
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There is a traditionally close relationship between the governments, but I have never heard of a Spanish-speaking people where the majority are not antisemitic.
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There is a traditionally close relationship between the governments, but I have never heard of a Spanish-speaking people where the majority are not antisemitic.
Colombia?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5400IpYjCYo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5400IpYjCYo)
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Colombia?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5400IpYjCYo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5400IpYjCYo)
Forgot about the exception. Besides them.
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Forgot about the exception. Besides them.
Many conservative movements in Latin America are very Christian Zionist. For example Peru's ex-president (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alejandro_Toledo#Friends_of_Israel_Initiative), Alejandro Toledo (who is also a full-blooded Indian):
In 2010, Toledo joined the Spanish Prime Minister José Zapatero, Nobel Peace Prize Laureate David Trimble, Italian philosopher Marcello Pera, former United States Ambassador to the United Nations John Bolton, British historian Andrew Roberts, and others in forming the Friends of Israel Initiative. The project’s aim is to counter efforts to delegitimize the State of Israel and its right to live in peace within safe and defensible borders. The initiative consists of non-Jewish members who want Israel to continue to be accepted as part of the western world and who recognize it as a full-fledged democracy with the right to defend itself.
In a 2011 article entitled "How Not to have a Palestinian State," Toledo and his co-writers argued that Obama's call for a return to talks based on the pre-1967 boundaries is a "clumsily concealed delegitimization device," as Palestine does not meet the internal and external requirements to become a state. The only way forward, the argued, is not unilateral action by the UN General assembly but a bilateral agreement between the Palestinians and the Israelis, in which each party agrees to recognize the other as a legitimate state.
Of course, as a center-rightist he's going for the Netanyahu "bilateral" BS. But at least it's better than the political establishment in Peru.
Meanwhile in Europe, all the parties in Spain including the right seem to be pro-Arab. And you know about right-wing anti-Zionists, and their vulgarity- they're pretty much all neo-Nazis. They're worse than the Commies in this case because of how they oppose Muslims in Europe but support them against Israel, and get potential Islamophobes to support "Palestine". Commies all-out admit that they're disgusting Islamophiles.
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This is because they were Jews, not because they were anti Zionists.
No, it's neither of those reasons. It's because they are some kind of cult who was already kicked out of reasonable other countries.
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I don't like anti-Zionist so-called religious Jews, but that doesn't make it right for primitive third-world beasts to abuse them.
Spain is one of the most Nazi nations on earth but most Latin American nations and publics are anti-Semitic too. Thoroughly assimilated Hispanics in the United States (maybe half of the Hispanic population) aren't that bad but the reality is that all peoples of all races are becoming more and more anti-Israel.
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I don't like anti-Zionist so-called religious Jews, but that doesn't make it right for primitive third-world beasts to abuse them.
Spain is one of the most Nazi nations on earth but most Latin American nations and publics are anti-Semitic too. Thoroughly assimilated Hispanics in the United States (maybe half of the Hispanic population) aren't that bad but the reality is that all peoples of all races are becoming more and more anti-Israel.
This group is a cult with allegations of child abuse on it, so I don't have a problem if they are thrown out because of their dress style or any other reason. The reasonable countries also forced them out.
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This group is a cult with allegations of child abuse on it, so I don't have a problem if they are thrown out because of their dress style or any other reason. The reasonable countries also forced them out.
By child abuse you mean not giving them secular education?
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This group is a cult with allegations of child abuse on it, so I don't have a problem if they are thrown out because of their dress style or any other reason. The reasonable countries also forced them out.
I did not know that. Are you saying they are like NK scum?
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This group is a cult with allegations of child abuse on it, so I don't have a problem if they are thrown out because of their dress style or any other reason. The reasonable countries also forced them out.
I've been reading this story for the last year or two, the group supposedly was kicked out of another country and settled in guatemala, the villagers had no problems with the jews living there, the issue was this particular group was polluting the river and creating problems for the rest of the community and they were accused of child abuse, they are likely some satmar anti Zionist offshoot group.
Anyways I know plenty of Hispanics that are pro israel and pro Jewish, colombia being one of them, I visit colombia all the time.
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By child abuse you mean not giving them secular education?
No I absolutely do not mean that. Are you nuts?
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By child abuse you mean not giving them secular education?
You do realize they require their women to dress up in muslim style bed sheets right? There have also been several cases of child abuse in the group..
http://youtu.be/NEn4H35Nt9Y
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With cults masquerading as religions, like Islam, and many false cult sects of Christianity and Judaism, pedophilia and child abuse is common. In fact that's usually the reason they are created, so that they can split off completely and not be under any moral authority. Of course with the bolshevization of the leadership of Judaism and Christianity I don't even think these cults will need to declare themselves separate, because the Jewish and Christian mainstreams are being corrupted into politically-correct abominations, so the cultist perverts won't be rejected.
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You do realize they require their women to dress up in muslim style bed sheets right? There have also been several cases of child abuse in the group..
I saw that before, I don't remember any child abuse mentioned. The only abuse was them getting hit physically for discipline reasons. The child (now adult) says it was hard but they claim it was and is very soft.
And them getting dressed like ghosts doesn't = child abuse. Its stupid and creepy but not child abuse.
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Is there any evidence that they have engaged in Child abuse? This allegation is so easy to throw around. And the basis for accusation of child abuse has been lowered for years. When I was a kid a parent had the RIGHT and OBLIGATION to discipline a child (which can include striking the child). Jewish law goes according to the maxim 'spare the rod, spoil the child' and discipline of wayward children is to be dealt with severely. While I am glad I did not grow up with this discipline, maybe I would not have been as wild a kid as I was in my 20s...
I don't know if they ever proved child abuse by the Branch Davidians. Child abuse was one of the claims made by the FBI before busting down and burning the Davidian compound. At the time I supported the governments operations but over the years I began to question the reasoning for the raid.
If this child abuse charge is false it would be a terrible thing. I don't know about this Lev Tahor 'sect' other than the propaganda which has been thrown around. If there is institutionalized child abuse then they should be shut down... If they have strong discipline, then I say they are entitled to doing this.
http://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/150544/jewish/Discipline.htm
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Is there any evidence that they have engaged in Child abuse? This allegation is so easy to throw around. And the basis for accusation of child abuse has been lowered for years. When I was a kid a parent had the RIGHT and OBLIGATION to discipline a child (which can include striking the child). Jewish law goes according to the maxim 'spare the rod, spoil the child' and discipline of wayward children is to be dealt with severely. While I am glad I did not grow up with this discipline, maybe I would not have been as wild a kid as I was in my 20s...
I don't know if they ever proved child abuse by the Branch Davidians. Child abuse was one of the claims made by the FBI before busting down and burning the Davidian compound. At the time I supported the governments operations but over the years I began to question the reasoning for the raid.
If this child abuse charge is false it would be a terrible thing. I don't know about this Lev Tahor 'sect' other than the propaganda which has been thrown around. If there is institutionalized child abuse then they should be shut down... If they have strong discipline, then I say they are entitled to doing this.
http://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/150544/jewish/Discipline.htm
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lev_Tahor
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Guatemala has a strong pro Israel element but my guess is it comes mainly from the educated elite. Supposedly over 30% of the population there is protestant and many of which are evangelical.
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Guatemala has a strong pro Israel element but my guess is it comes mainly from the educated elite. Supposedly over 30% of the population there is protestant and many of which are evangelical.
What's funny is that the American indigenous peoples were never as close to the leftists or "Palestinians" as the Marxist elites were hoping. I've always been a supporter of indigenous movements, I wish some of them were right-wing. The leftists are destroying traditional native culture, but many don't realize that. Also this "latino" movement which is pretty much dominated by Mestizos and wants to blend and mix everything out of existence (typical cultural Marxism) certainly poses a threat to them. I remember reading that in Chile the native Mapuches and the "Palestinians" (95% of "Palestinians" in Chile are Christians but hate other Christians and love Muslims) got into a fight (and the leftists love to promote the Mapuche cause).
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Is there any evidence that they have engaged in Child abuse? This allegation is so easy to throw around. And the basis for accusation of child abuse has been lowered for years. When I was a kid a parent had the RIGHT and OBLIGATION to discipline a child (which can include striking the child). Jewish law goes according to the maxim 'spare the rod, spoil the child' and discipline of wayward children is to be dealt with severely. While I am glad I did not grow up with this discipline, maybe I would not have been as wild a kid as I was in my 20s...
I don't know if they ever proved child abuse by the Branch Davidians. Child abuse was one of the claims made by the FBI before busting down and burning the Davidian compound. At the time I supported the governments operations but over the years I began to question the reasoning for the raid.
If this child abuse charge is false it would be a terrible thing. I don't know about this Lev Tahor 'sect' other than the propaganda which has been thrown around. If there is institutionalized child abuse then they should be shut down... If they have strong discipline, then I say they are entitled to doing this.
http://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/150544/jewish/Discipline.htm
You are confused and confusing the issue.
The leader of this cult spent time in jail in the US for kidnapping a child. Did you know that?
There are allegations not just of hitting, but of severe physical beatings, locking "disobedient" girls locked into basements, taking kids away from biological parents (of course by the mighty cult leader who determines what parents are suitable and what ones not) if deemed not properly taught, and accusations of child abuse.
The cult figure's wife and child are on the public record, having abandoned the cult, claiming they were physically abused.
Only a truly sick individual or someone downright ignorant of the issue (which it sounds like you are ignorant of this group) would try to "explain away" the obviously brutal and unacceptable conduct of this disgusting group and its abusive leader.
Read this article: http://www.timesofisrael.com/police-allege-physical-mental-abuse-in-lev-tahor-sect/
The claim of this cult figure that it's a "blood libel" or religious persecution of his group is a joke. There are haredim and hasidim all over the world, all over the US, canada, Israel, etc practicing real Torah Judaism and none of them are accused of the crazy things he is accused of. None of them are "persecuted" like this. Do the math.
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You are confused and confusing the issue.
The leader of this cult spent time in jail in the US for kidnapping a child. Did you know that?
There are allegations not just of hitting, but of severe physical beatings, locking "disobedient" girls locked into basements, taking kids away from biological parents (of course by the mighty cult leader who determines what parents are suitable and what ones not) if deemed not properly taught, and accusations of child abuse.
The cult figure's wife and child are on the public record, having abandoned the cult, claiming they were physically abused.
Only a truly sick individual or someone downright ignorant of the issue (which it sounds like you are ignorant of this group) would try to "explain away" the obviously brutal and unacceptable conduct of this disgusting group and its abusive leader.
Read this article: http://www.timesofisrael.com/police-allege-physical-mental-abuse-in-lev-tahor-sect/
The claim of this cult figure that it's a "blood libel" or religious persecution of his group is a joke. There are haredim and hasidim all over the world, all over the US, canada, Israel, etc practicing real Torah Judaism and none of them are accused of the crazy things he is accused of. None of them are "persecuted" like this. Do the math.
That plus they are anti-Zionist. It's funny because I see them fighting with Christians, but I bet they just love the Muslims.
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What's funny is that the American indigenous peoples were never as close to the leftists or "Palestinians" as the Marxist elites were hoping. I've always been a supporter of indigenous movements, I wish some of them were right-wing. The leftists are destroying traditional native culture, but many don't realize that. Also this "latino" movement which is pretty much dominated by Mestizos and wants to blend and mix everything out of existence (typical cultural Marxism) certainly poses a threat to them. I remember reading that in Chile the native Mapuches and the "Palestinians" (95% of "Palestinians" in Chile are Christians but hate other Christians and love Muslims) got into a fight (and the leftists love to promote the Mapuche cause).
It depends on the tribe and religion, in the us some tribes are more hostile, some who are half native or a quarter seem to be more pro Israel. The pure blood that are pro Israel are usually philo Semites or evangelical Christian. It seems that in the southwest some groups are more pro Palestinian sometimes based on poverty level. I am friends with a pure apache who is in the air force and she loves israel. I know many metis Indians in Canada who love Israel and learned hebrew .
To understand Latin America it's complicated, I know some Mexicans who are indeed pro Israel but are generally evangelical , one I know his fathers a pastor from the Yucatan pure indigenous.
The hostile hispanics it's generally political, the poor class generally feel as if the US is a colonial country and feel that the Mexican president did not have the right to sell land to the us, at the same time many Mexicans who are pro Israel are still inclined in some way to feel obligated to feel ties to mexico, some are legitimately happy to be here while others ate not and here simply for money. Most of the anti Israel views come to an association that much of the people in poverty see the US as a rich country while they are not in the vest economic situation and so the poor Mexicans who are politically opposed to the us generally compare the Palestinians to being the same while promoting different motives for this from indigenous hood to land grabs
. what most of them fail to understand is Israel is a indigenous country , Jews are embracing their indigenous culture , beliefs and in most cases are genetically tied to the Levant. Other Mexican groups particularly LA raza have different motives from exploitation of the land to eventual removal of all European descent people's , rape, murder or drugs and intimidation. I experienced this in Chicago and many people fled the city from the cholo gangbangers.
The rest of central america feels close in views with exception of panama and Costa Rica and possibly guatemala probably due to a good past relationship and religion. Honduras also mainly indigenous is also very evangelical .
Exceptions being Nicaragua who is trying to be the next Venezuela or Cuba, and maybe el salvador.
South America , my wife is colombian, Colombia buys all its weapons from Israel and is very capitalist, south Americans particularly in Colombia take a lot of pride in education , speaking proper Spanish and doing everything they can to help, they are very pro Israel.
Chile used to have very close ties to Israel but not anymore, they have a huge Palestinian population, many Nazis in the past settled in Chile and there is even a town there that celebrates hitlers birthday , the town is made up of German immigrants.
Bolivia is generally anti Israel and american due to Marxist. views and a Marxist indigenous movement
Venezuela same for socialist Marxist views but rather than indigenous it's about resources.
Argentina has had good relations before with Jews but not sure about Israel, in the past many Jews found protection in Argentina despite their leadership being somewhat fascist at the time yet also let in Nazis who came in on false passports, many of Argentina's leaders have had Palestinian ancestry .they failed to investigate the bombing on the Jewish synagogue and its believed that Iran was behind it, there's evidence of corruption .
Ecuador similar to Bolivia.
Peru, I think the governments view is different from the people, I met a lot of pro Israel Peruvians .
Brazil , since its such a huge country split politically from north Brazil and south Brazil I don't think the government represents the majority of people's views. There's huge wealth inequality so it varies on education.
Suriname and Guyana no idea but I don't consider them Hispanic anyways .
Anyways its not that Latin Americans want to mix, actually Latin Americans for a long time were under the caste system and so when Spain ruled, the more spaniard or castizo you were the higher up . the more indigenous and you were lower.
In Colombia race doesn't really matter so much, most people view it more as your culture or language, most Colombians look lighter to me than central Americans usually with some indigenous features like jet black hair or tan skin, some look pure indigenous and others look Spanish, you also have black Colombians who culturally are different from the blacks in the us. I went to San Andres island, its part of Colombia and all black but they are baptist. I lost my wallet and the lady chased after me to give me my wallet. They are more conservative and dress nice.
The issue why some hispanics hate Israel and America is mainly political , ignorance , and sometimes poverty creates issues where governments focus on economically well countries to tell the poor to hate America or Israel because of their situation yet those same governments do not appear to look at what causes their economy to decline or look at other successful countries as a model of capitalism like hong Kong or Singapore for example .
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It depends on the tribe and religion, in the us some tribes are more hostile, some who are half native or a quarter seem to be more pro Israel. The pure blood that are pro Israel are usually philo Semites or evangelical Christian. It seems that in the southwest some groups are more pro Palestinian sometimes based on poverty level. I am friends with a pure apache who is in the air force and she loves israel. I know many metis Indians in Canada who love Israel and learned hebrew .
To understand Latin America it's complicated, I know some Mexicans who are indeed pro Israel but are generally evangelical , one I know his fathers a pastor from the Yucatan pure indigenous.
The hostile hispanics it's generally political, the poor class generally feel as if the US is a colonial country and feel that the Mexican president did not have the right to sell land to the us, at the same time many Mexicans who are pro Israel are still inclined in some way to feel obligated to feel ties to mexico, some are legitimately happy to be here while others ate not and here simply for money. Most of the anti Israel views come to an association that much of the people in poverty see the US as a rich country while they are not in the vest economic situation and so the poor Mexicans who are politically opposed to the us generally compare the Palestinians to being the same while promoting different motives for this from indigenous hood to land grabs
. what most of them fail to understand is Israel is a indigenous country , Jews are embracing their indigenous culture , beliefs and in most cases are genetically tied to the Levant. Other Mexican groups particularly LA raza have different motives from exploitation of the land to eventual removal of all European descent people's , rape, murder or drugs and intimidation. I experienced this in Chicago and many people fled the city from the cholo gangbangers.
The rest of central america feels close in views with exception of panama and Costa Rica and possibly guatemala probably due to a good past relationship and religion. Honduras also mainly indigenous is also very evangelical .
Exceptions being Nicaragua who is trying to be the next Venezuela or Cuba, and maybe el salvador.
South America , my wife is colombian, Colombia buys all its weapons from Israel and is very capitalist, south Americans particularly in Colombia take a lot of pride in education , speaking proper Spanish and doing everything they can to help, they are very pro Israel.
Chile used to have very close ties to Israel but not anymore, they have a huge Palestinian population, many Nazis in the past settled in Chile and there is even a town there that celebrates hitlers birthday , the town is made up of German immigrants.
Bolivia is generally anti Israel and american due to Marxist. views and a Marxist indigenous movement
Venezuela same for socialist Marxist views but rather than indigenous it's about resources.
Argentina has had good relations before with Jews but not sure about Israel, in the past many Jews found protection in Argentina despite their leadership being somewhat fascist at the time yet also let in Nazis who came in on false passports, many of Argentina's leaders have had Palestinian ancestry .they failed to investigate the bombing on the Jewish synagogue and its believed that Iran was behind it, there's evidence of corruption .
Ecuador similar to Bolivia.
Peru, I think the governments view is different from the people, I met a lot of pro Israel Peruvians .
Brazil , since its such a huge country split politically from north Brazil and south Brazil I don't think the government represents the majority of people's views. There's huge wealth inequality so it varies on education.
Suriname and Guyana no idea but I don't consider them Hispanic anyways .
Anyways its not that Latin Americans want to mix, actually Latin Americans for a long time were under the caste system and so when Spain ruled, the more spaniard or castizo you were the higher up . the more indigenous and you were lower.
In Colombia race doesn't really matter so much, most people view it more as your culture or language, most Colombians look lighter to me than central Americans usually with some indigenous features like jet black hair or tan skin, some look pure indigenous and others look Spanish, you also have black Colombians who culturally are different from the blacks in the us. I went to San Andres island, its part of Colombia and all black but they are baptist. I lost my wallet and the lady chased after me to give me my wallet. They are more conservative and dress nice.
The issue why some hispanics hate Israel and America is mainly political , ignorance , and sometimes poverty creates issues where governments focus on economically well countries to tell the poor to hate America or Israel because of their situation yet those same governments do not appear to look at what causes their economy to decline or look at other successful countries as a model of capitalism like hong Kong or Singapore for example .
In Peru there were protests against Israel. I wish indigenous movements would be right-wing, and pro-Israel, since they have much in common.