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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: muman613 on September 03, 2014, 03:19:12 AM
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It appears Steven Sotloff, the journalist executed by the ISIS terrorists, was actually a Jew. I suppose we must say Baruch Dayan HaEmet and hope that his family is comforted among the mourners of Zion.
Just read this on INN:
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/184700
Murdered US Journalist 'Kept His Judaism in Captivity'
Former fellow captive of Steven Sotloff tells Israeli paper the journalist risked his life to fast on Yom Kippur, prayed towards Jerusalem.
By Shimon Cohen
First Publish: 9/3/2014, 8:39 AM
American journalist Steven Sotloff, who was brutally beheaded by the Islamic State terrorist group, took great risks to keep his Jewish faith in captivity, a former fellow-captive of the murdered journalist told Yediot Aharonoth.
Sotloff reportedly made sure to fast in secret during Yom Kippur and even prayed in the direction of Jerusalem, as is customary in Jewish prayers, despite the risk he faced if his Islamist captors ever found out he was Jewish.
One of Sotloff's fellow captives, who was subsequently released, told the paper that he feigned illness in order to escape his captors' suspicions.
"He told them he was ill and didn't want to eat, even though they brought us eggs that day," the witness told Yediot Aharonoth, "It looked like he was praying in a hidden way towards Jerusalem. He noted what way the Muslims were praying in and changed his direction slightly."
US officials are still examining the video released last night which appears to show Sotloff's beheading.
In it, a masked man dressed in black, who appears to be the same terrorist who appeared in the beheading video of Sotloff's fellow captive James Foley, addresses the camera and claims the beheading is being carried out in response to continued US airstrikes on IS targets in Iraq.
"I'm back, Obama, and I'm back because of your arrogant foreign policy towards the Islamic State," the man says in the chilling recording.
After forcing a kneeling Sotloff to recite what is likely a pre-rehearsed script, the screen goes black, only for the recording to begin again showing what appears to be the decapitated body and head of the American journalist.
The terrorist then shows abducted British citizen David Cawthorne Haines, and threatens to kill him as well if the US and western forces did not stop aiding Kurdish militias pushing back against IS's advances through Iraq.
Reacting to news of the video last night, US state department spokeswoman Jen Psaki said: "If the video is genuine, we are sickened by this brutal act."
She added that US officials believed several other US citizens were still being held by the Islamic State.
White House spokesman Josh Earnest said that the hearts of the American people were with Sotloff's family as they mourned their son's brutal murder.
"Our thoughts and prayers, first and foremost, are with Mr Sotloff and Mr Sotloff's family and those who worked with him," he said.
However, he said he could not yet 100% confirm "the authenticity of that video or the reports."
"It's something that will be analysed very carefully by the US government and our intelligence officials to establish its authenticity," he added.
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Thats a story... Well i'am not sure if they had killed him directly if they found out he was Jewish. I don't think so to be honest. Probly they would done the same to him as what they did to him now.
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He was also a dual Israel & American national.
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I feel very sorry for him.
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Well the name Sotloff itself would indicate he could be jewish or russian. of course those are muslim morons who captured him.
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Debbie Schlussel says he was a heavy arab sympathizer and islam lover and there are other mainstream articles about it. However, Debbie's article sounds psychotic like she made certainparts up.
http://www.debbieschlussel.com/74430/steven-sotloff-proud-jewish-supporter-of-hamas-isis-rebels-his-anti-us-friends-deeply-loved-islam/#more-74430
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2741355/Friends-relatives-pay-tribute-murdered-Steven-Sotloff.html
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And President Muslim does NOTHING!
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The entity says that the ISIS will be eliminated completely and then also that ISIS will be manageable by all. No strategy is the best strategy. Obviously now Estonia seems to be going in to the soup.
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Debbie Schlussel says he was a heavy arab sympathizer and islam lover and there are other mainstream articles about it. However, Debbie's article sounds psychotic like she made certainparts up.
http://www.debbieschlussel.com/74430/steven-sotloff-proud-jewish-supporter-of-hamas-isis-rebels-his-anti-us-friends-deeply-loved-islam/#more-74430
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2741355/Friends-relatives-pay-tribute-murdered-Steven-Sotloff.html
Let us hope his brutal beheading will be a sign for any Jew, or any sane person, to never 'Love Islam' or to follow his foolish footsteps.
It is always the case that no matter how much the Jew 'loves' Islam, the muslims hate Jews and will celebrate his death as a Jew...
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I don't feel sorry for self hating kikes that live inside Arab tuches.
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I don't feel sorry for self hating kikes that live inside Arab tuches.
I believe Debbi Schlussel and I think he was of the same ilk as Foley, only worse.
Steven Sotloff: ISIS’ Beheaded Anti-Israel Jew Converted to Islam Years Ago; “Hated” Israel
http://www.debbieschlussel.com/74484/steven-sotloff-isis-beheaded-anti-israel-jew-converted-to-islam-years-ago-hated-israel/
Yesterday, I told you all the inside scoop on ISIS’ latest beheadee Steven Sotloff: how he was extremely pro-HAMAS and anti-Israel all through his four years of studying and living in Israel; how he “deeply loved Islam” and “Islamic culture” and lived in Yemen for years; how he was an apologist for jihadists of every stripe, including ISIS and the Muslim Brotherhood, in addition to HAMAS.
In my piece, I said I wouldn’t be surprised if Sotloff had voluntarily converted to Islam, long before his captivity with ISIS.
All of this makes you wonder, did Steven Sotloff convert to Islam? Don’t bet against it. Like I said, he lost his head before ISIS took it from him.
And my instincts were correct. He converted to Islam several years ago in Egypt while “covering” a/k/a cheering on the Muslim Brotherhood revolutionaries in Tahrir Square. It’s like a Jew taking the SS oath and joining the Gestapo while pretending to be an objective journalist covering the Holocaust and World War II. His friend, Oren Kessler, an Israeli-American journalist, formerly of the Jerusalem Post, confirms it:
In Egypt, Kessler said, Sotloff once allowed locals to give him a “quickie conversion,” a 10-minute ceremony meant to return him to his purported Islamic roots.
Yup, his “reversion” to Islam didn’t save him. And it’s interesting that he kept it a secret while doing years of “objective reporting,” er . . . cheerleading for the various Islamic terrorist rebels, most of whom are now ISIS.
By the way, now that he’s literally lost his head after figuratively doing so years ago, his conversion to Islam begs the question:
Is he now with the 72 Helen Thomases?
Oh, and here’s more from the story–more confirmation of what I told you yesterday, that he was extremely anti-Israel while in Israel and after. Much is being made of claims that he was a “citizen of Israel,” but that’s irrelevant, especially when you consider that he supported HAMAS, lived in Yemen for years, and he “hated Israel,” but “not enough to not come visit” for a friend’s wedding. Well, thank Heavens for small favors:
“He became very critical of the [Israeli] government,” said Hillary Lynne Glaser, who studied conflict resolution, international relations and counter-terrorism alongside Sotloff. “I’m not so sure it was about the Israeli-Arab conflict, I think it was more how they treat their own people. But he still came back to visit,” she said, noting that Sotloff was in Israel as recently as last year to celebrate the wedding of a former IDC roommate.
“He didn’t hate it enough to not come visit,” she said.
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So what? The friend is lying that he covertly fasted for Yom Kippur last year? That he prayed facing to the East like all Jews? Does Mrs Schlussel provide any sources for her claim?
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The blaze says that it was a 'fake conversion' only made to appease the muslim animals he worked around...
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/09/03/two-huge-secrets-about-steven-sotloffs-life-and-faith-emerge-after-his-execution/#
American journalist Steven Sotloff moved to Israel several years ago and became an Israeli citizen before ultimately ending up in the clutches of the Islamic State and having footage of his beheading released to the world, Israeli media reported Wednesday.
Fearing an end like that of slain Wall Street Journal reporter Daniel Pearl, family and friends of Sotloff tried desperately to keep his Jewish identity secret after he was kidnapped by jihadists. According to an eyewitness account of one of his fellow captives, Sotloff tried to worship secretly even under the watchful eye of his abductors.
Israel’s Arutz Sheva, Ynet and the Times of Israel reported that a gag order was lifted after Sotloff’s death, allowing Israeli media to report on his 2005 move to Israel.
A former captive who was held alongside Sotloff told the Israeli newspaper Yedioth Aharonoth that Sotloff feigned being ill last year during Yom Kippur, the Jewish Day of Atonement, so he could fast without raising suspicions, even though his kidnappers had prepared eggs for him to eat that day.
The former captive, who was not named, said Sotloff also secretly prayed toward Jerusalem as in keeping with Jewish custom, using his Islamic kidnappers as a compass.
“It looked like he was praying in a hidden way towards Jerusalem. He noted what way the Muslims were praying in and changed his direction slightly,” the former captive told Yedioth. Muslims pray facing the direction of Mecca in Saudi Arabia.
The U.S. National Security Council on Wednesday morning announced that it had confirmed the authenticity of the video disseminated by the Islamic State. President Barack Obama called Sotloff’s execution a “horrific act of violence.”
Oren Kessler, a former Jerusalem Post correspondent who is now a Middle East research fellow at the Henry Jackson Society think tank in London, wrote in Politico that he and Sotloff never met in person, but used to exchange emails while Sotloff was traveling in the Middle East reporting for Time and Foreign Policy magazines and the Christian Science Monitor.
Kessler suggested that Sotloff may have undergone a “fake conversion” to Islam to appease those he met on his travels in the Middle East:
In one exchange I asked him what a journalist like him with an obviously Jewish name—and with connections to Israel—was doing in Libya, or in his previous haunts of Yemen and Bahrain.
“I don’t really share my values and opinions,” he replied. “I try to stay alive.” When I suggested that the jig would be up if someone as much as Googled his name, he replied simply: “Yeah, Google definitely isn’t my friend.”
But Steven, ever the optimist, seemed to think a fake conversion to Islam might grant him immunity. “In Yemen it’s the first question everyone asks,” he wrote—namely, a person’s religion. “I ‘converted’ in my first week so I wouldn’t have to deal with all that rubbish. LOL.”
Danielle Berrin, who writes for the Los Angeles Jewish Journal, knew Sotloff since first grade and had corresponded with him in recent years.
Though Israeli media reported that he had last been living in Israel, Sotloff emailed Berrin in November 2010 that he had been planning to move back to the U.S.
Berrin spoke to friends of Sotloff’s who said he had hesitated before traveling to Syria, while his parents opposed his trip.
“He really felt that this was who he was; he said he had to do this,” a friend of Sotloff’s told Berrin. “He felt compelled to put a human face on war stories.”
Berrin wrote that in an effort to keep his religion secret from the jihadists, Sotloff’s friends and family tried to scrub references to his faith from the Internet, including deleting his Facebook page.
“[W]hen ISIS finally outed his capture, the New York Times deleted the reference to Sotloff’s Jewishness that was posted in its initial online report,” Berrin wrote. “Stupidly, the Times had announced he was ‘the grandson of Holocaust survivors’ in the lead sentence…”
Berrin posted an excerpt of an article Sotloff wrote in 2011 on Austrian Jews for the Jerusalem Post, whose descriptions might today have been written about the ethnic cleansing of non-Muslims underway in Iraq and Syria.
“In the past Vienna’s beleaguered Jews were threatened by Christian and Nazi persecutions; today they are under siege by a melange of native extremism and Muslim hostility,” he wrote. “Despite such hostilities, the Viennese Jewish community has refused to relent in the face of such adversity and emigrate to more hospitable lands free of the turmoil that has plagued this city that was once Europe’s cultural and intellectual mecca.”
“f his death awakens the world to the evil proliferating among those who killed him, then maybe, just maybe, there can be redemption,” Berrin wrote.
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So what? The friend is lying that he covertly fasted for Yom Kippur last year? That he prayed facing to the East like all Jews? Does Mrs Schlussel provide any sources for her claim?
Muman, there is a Russian saying that, loosely translated, "in the trenches, there are no atheists" He probably just wanted to survive or he may recognized that error and returned to Judaism as Baal Tshuva. We won't find out. But I have no doubt that prior to being captured, he was a vicious Jew and Israel hater.
Yesterday I was watching Rabbi Kahane HY'D ZT"L speech in Minnesota and the hatred and stupidity he has experienced from JINOs(Jews in name only) was simply astounding. I say, any Jew who is associating themselves with ayrabs and muslamics is a traitor. You play with snakes, you get bitten. I've looked into Foley's background and he was a guy lamenting that only 5 Israelis were killed for 130 "palestinians" - a vicious Jew-hater. It would be very unsurprising to find Sotloff to be of similar material.
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It makes little difference weather he really fasted on yom kippur since he was an Israel hater who collaborated with the Islamic Jihad. Naturai Karta also fast on yom kippur as far as I know, they probably fast on yom ha'atzmaut too which they would call the Naqba.
Secondly I don't believe his friend is an honorable person, himself also being a Mohammad groupie and moreover he has the incentive to portray Sotoloff in a positive light to the Israeli public.
So what? The friend is lying that he covertly fasted for Yom Kippur last year? That he prayed facing to the East like all Jews? Does Mrs Schlussel provide any sources for her claim?
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Muman, there is a Russian saying that, loosely translated, "in the trenches, there are no atheists" He probably just wanted to survive or he may recognized that error and returned to Judaism as Baal Tshuva. We won't find out. But I have no doubt that prior to being captured, he was a vicious Jew and Israel hater.
Yesterday I was watching Rabbi Kahane HY'D ZT"L speech in Minnesota and the hatred and stupidity he has experienced from JINOs(Jews in name only) was simply astounding. I say, any Jew who is associating themselves with ayrabs and muslamics is a traitor. You play with snakes, you get bitten. I've looked into Foley's background and he was a guy lamenting that only 5 Israelis were killed for 130 "palestinians" - a vicious Jew-hater. It would be very unsurprising to find Sotloff to be of similar material.
I don't agree with your second paragraph. I deal with arabs and muslims in my daily work and I am not a traitor to my people. Journalists are required to operate in some very distressful locations and they must sometimes engage in subterfuge to avoid being exposed. I believe that Sotloff did just this, told them what they wanted to hear.
If someone can provide some solid evidence he supported terrorism I might change my opinion, but at this stage I think people are prematurely trying to sully the name of this man.
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It makes little difference weather he really fasted on yom kippur since he was an Israel hater who collaborated with the Islamic Jihad. Naturai Karta also fast on yom kippur as far as I know, they probably fast on yom ha'atzmaut too which they would call the Naqba.
Secondly I don't believe his friend is an honorable person, himself also being a Mohammad groupie and moreover he has the incentive to portray Sotoloff in a positive light to the Israeli public.
Do you have any proof of what you are saying or are you just stating your opinion...
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http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4567179,00.html
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Can someone please produce an example of how he was 'anti-Israel'? I have been googling and found nothing..
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I don't agree with your second paragraph. I deal with arabs and muslims in my daily work and I am not a traitor to my people. Journalists are required to operate in some very distressful locations and they must sometimes engage in subterfuge to avoid being exposed. I believe that Sotloff did just this, told them what they wanted to hear.
If someone can provide some solid evidence he supported terrorism I might change my opinion, but at this stage I think people are prematurely trying to sully the name of this man.
I trust Debbie.
Check this out, things that fit a profile?
1) Sotloff was Jewish and previously worked for Temple Beth Am Day School in Florida. You can see for yourself this school.
2) On May 29th 2010, Sotloff was in Qatar and wrote a letter of application to the Arabic for Non Native Speakers (ANNS) faculty at Qatar University, in it he specified that he will be leaving to Yemen for several months in order to better learn and understand Arabic, after initially learning the language at a course in an unspecified location, with several instruction hours each week, but without practicing its usage in real life.
I bet your circumstances of interacting with muslims are drastically different from his. Is it normal for a Jew to be so dastardly attracted to muslamic nazi vermin?!
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I trust Debbie.
Check this out, things that fit a profile?
1) Sotloff was Jewish and previously worked for Temple Beth Am Day School in Florida. You can see for yourself this school.
2) On May 29th 2010, Sotloff was in Qatar and wrote a letter of application to the Arabic for Non Native Speakers (ANNS) faculty at Qatar University, in it he specified that he will be leaving to Yemen for several months in order to better learn and understand Arabic, after initially learning the language at a course in an unspecified location, with several instruction hours each week, but without practicing its usage in real life.
I bet your circumstances of interacting with muslims are drastically different from his. Is it normal for a Jew to be so dastardly attracted to muslamic nazi vermin?!
I don't think that learning arabic makes one a terrorist supporter. Considering he was a journalist covering events in Syria and Libya it would behoove him to learn arabic.
I don't know about that Temple. Can you tell me what is so bad about it?
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So the temple he belonged to was reform.... Does that make him a terrorist sympathizer? I don't think so. Apparently he was involved with his Jewish community in FL...
http://www.thejewishweek.com/news/international/steven-sotloff-jew-israeli-and-humanist
Steven Sotloff: A Jew, An Israeli And A Humanist
International citizen Israeli Jew Jewish Miami Steven Sotloff
The journalist beheaded by ISIS insurgents fasted on Yom Kippur, studied in Israel and attended synagogue as a child.
Wed, 09/03/2014
Hannah Dreyfus
Staff Writer
Until yesterday, the name, religion and other biographical details about 31-year-old U.S. journalist Steven Sotloff were a secret. Now, we can say openly that he was a Jew, an Israeli citizen, a spunky kid from Miami and a resilient believer in humanity.
After he was abducted a year ago in northern Syria, his family requested that details of his capture and of his identity be kept silent, in hopes that he would be released. But after a video documenting his beheading by Islamic State militants went public yesterday, no secrets need remain.
"Cleared for publication: Steven Sotloff was #Israel citizen RIP," tweeted Paul Hirschson, a spokesman for the Foreign Ministry in Jerusalem.
Israeli media reports said Sotloff immigrated to Israel in 2005 and studied at the Interdisciplinary Center Herzliya, a private college near Tel Aviv.
The Israeli newspaper Yedioth Ahronoth, quoting a former fellow hostage, said Sotloff had kept his Judaism a secret from his Islamist captors by pretending to be sick when he fasted for the Yom Kippur holiday.
Sotloff is also the grandson of Holocaust survivors. According to a report by the Daily Mail, his mother, Shirley Sotloff, who made a video shortly before his murder pleading for his release, is the daughter of two survivors.
Shirley Sotloff was also a preschool teacher at Temple Beth Am in Pinecrest, Fla., a Reform synagogue in South Miami where Sotloff attended day school. The family was an active part of the South Bay Jewish community. “Our hearts and prayers are with the Sotloff family,” said the condolence note on the Miami federation’s website.
Danielle Berrin, a reporter for the Jewish Journal in Los Angeles, posted a photo from her first grade class at Beth Am, where she was seated in the first row and Sotloff was standing in the row behind. She described Sotloff as a “goofy, smiley, playfully mischievous kid from Miami.”
While details about his proud Jewish identity continue to emerge, it is important to note that Sotloff wasn’t killed because he was a Jew. He was killed because he was an American.
In the video produced by ISIS insurgents, titled “A Second Message to American,” a masked fighter speaking in British-accented English — similar to the disguised person in the earlier video of journalist James Foley's beheading - declared, “I’m back, Obama, and I’m back because of your arrogant foreign policy towards the Islamic State.”
The Sotloff video ends with the masked figure saying, “Just as your missiles continue to strike our people, our knife will continue to strike the necks of your people.”
Sotloff is not the first Jewish American Jewish journalist to be murdered abroad. Daniel Pearl, South Asia bureau chief of The Wall Street Journal, was kidnapped by Pakistani militants in January 2002 and decapitated by Al-Qauda members nine days later. Born in New Jersey, Pearl was of Jewish Iraqi decent.
Steven Sotloff was a Jew, an Israeli and an American. He fell while trying to tell the stories of those less privileged. Despite inconceivable circumstances, his humanity prevailed. May his memory be a blessing.
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The issue I have is when it says he was 'critical of Israeli government'.... I am critical of Bibi and his lame government, I suppose that means I am a terrorist too...
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I don't think that learning arabic makes one a terrorist supporter. Considering he was a journalist covering events in Syria and Libya it would behoove him to learn arabic.
I don't know about that Temple. Can you tell me what is so bad about it?
1) Muman, open your eyes to reality, please. Why would a Jew, a self-respecting Jew, a Jew with Ahavat Israel, a Normal Jew, a Decent Jew a Sane Jew, whose ancestors were Bar Kochba, David, Solomon, Joshua, would want to do that?! A journalist?! Please, same of Vice variety, a free-lancing Israel-hater who couldn't stop himself from licking muslamic tuchesses.
2) Look at the clergy of this temple. I bet no one is fasting there for Yom Kippur. I didn't say that him working there is a testament to him being a terrorist supporter, but him working there is hardly an argument for him being religious. The point is that self-hating JINOs are much more likely to be products of reform temples than of conservative or orthodox ones.
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All his friends say that he loved Arabs and Islam. Even BHO essentially said today that they killed a guy who was a cheer leader for Islam and Arabs. I actually read a few of his reports and indeed they are leftist propaganda that tries to make the Jihadis look humane and decent to western readers, i.e- they are fighting to overthrow a dictator (he ommits the fact they are trying to replace one dictatorial regime with an even more repressive form of Islamic theocracy).
But if you want to read it yourself google it please. You can clearly learn from his bio and pictures and testimonials of his bodies what kind of person he was.
Do you have any proof of what you are saying or are you just stating your opinion...
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What I am reading is that he cared for arabs and muslims, but was fighting against the Jihadis who were killing the innocent muslims and arabs...
He also covered the Benghazi story..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steven_Sotloff
On May 29th 2010, Sotloff was in Qatar and wrote a letter of application to the Arabic for Non Native Speakers (ANNS) faculty at Qatar University, in it he specified that he will be leaving to Yemen for several months in order to better learn and understand Arabic, after initially learning the language at a course in an unspecified location, with several instruction hours each week, but without practicing its usage in real life.[19][20] He later traveled around the region with a Yemeni mobile number. His career began during the Arab Spring.[21] Sotloff had worked for the news magazine Time, as well as Christian Science Monitor,[22] The National Interest, Media Line,[5] World Affairs,[23] and Foreign Policy, and has appeared on CNN and Fox News.[9] His work has taken him to Syria a number of times, as well as taking him to Egypt, Turkey, Libya, and Bahrain.[24]
In 2012 he reported in Time magazine, about Al-Qaeda fighters and commanders from Libya flocking to Syria, and shipping Libyan captured arms and ammunition on its way to join the fight to topple Bashar al-Assad's regime.[25][26] He was also was in a reporter team that returned to the compound in Benghazi where the US ambassador and 3 other Americans had been killed on the night of 9/11 that year. He interviewed Libyan security guards who were at the site during the attack.[25][27][28] Fox News reported accordingly aided by an animation, that black Islamist flags were seen and foreign words heard, concluding that the claims by 'Nusrat Al-Sharia' - affiliated with Al-Qaeda, were in fact correct.[29] He named a Libyan militia operative, Ahmad Abu Khattallah, as the head of the Al Qaeda affiliated group (Nusrat al-Sharia) that attacked the US compound and as the man who himself masterminded and lead the attack.[30] He later reported on a tit for tat retaliation pattern following the US attacks on those that committed the attack on the ambassador's compound in Benghazi. A week before entering Libya, he had written from Turkey about the Alawites - believers of Assad's religion, and their support for Assad in Turkey, while another article written on the same day, told about Alawites inside Syria who were against Assad.[31]
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The issue I have is when it says he was 'critical of Israeli government'.... I am critical of Bibi and his lame government, I suppose that means I am a terrorist too...
You're deliberately twisting the words and using childish analogies. You are not the same as Sotloff and you smart to know why. Rabbi Kahane and Amos Oz are not the same because they were both critical of Begin and Shamir's governments. what kind of logic is this?!
Look, you want to lament Sotloff death, it's your right, but don't go around and look for sympathy for muslamic sympathizers on a Kahanist forum.
How many posts did you make to lament Daniel Tregerman HY'D? Dmitry Levitas HY'D? Shahar Shalev HY"D?
Why are you so concerned with an idiot at best, and a vicious traitor, at worst and most likely, who couldn't give a damn about Israel and Jews?!
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You're deliberately twisting the words and using childish analogies. You are not the same as Sotloff and you smart to know why. Rabbi Kahane and Amos Oz are not the same because they were both critical of Begin and Shamir's government. Look, you want to lament Sotloff death, it's your right, but don't go around and look for sympathy for muslamic sympathizers on a Kahanist forum.
How many posts did you make to lament Daniel Tregerman HY'D? Dmitry Levitas HY'D? Shahar Shalev HY"D?
Why are you so concerned with an idiot at best, and a vicious traitor, at worst and most likely, who couldn't give a damn about Israel and Jews?!
Manch,
Apparently the month of Elul is not important to you. It is an important month as it leads into the High Holidays. Some of the important mitzvot (according to most sages) include Ahavat Yisrael (loving fellow Jews) and avoiding Lashon Hara (speaking evil of a fellow Jew). By launching into cursing a fellow Jew who appeared, according to every story (except Mrs Shlussels), to be a Jew who was concerned with doing good in this world you are not doing a lot of good for your coming year.
If you feel that by denigrating him and his family you are doing a good deed you need to check what mitzvah you are fulfulling. I don't know what it could be. Are you trying to warn others from falling into the same situation? I don't see the good being done.
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If he indeed hated Israel I would change my opinion. But I have seen absolutely no evidence of this being the case. He traveled to Israel just a year before he was captured to attend a wedding. He had no connections to the BDS movement (that I can find).
I will reserve judgement on this one...
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Manch,
Apparently the month of Elul is not important to you. It is an important month as it leads into the High Holidays. Some of the important mitzvot (according to most sages) include Ahavat Yisrael (loving fellow Jews) and avoiding Lashon Hara (speaking evil of a fellow Jew). By launching into cursing a fellow Jew who appeared, according to every story (except Mrs Shlussels), to be a Jew who was concerned with doing good in this world you are not doing a lot of good for your coming year.
If you feel that by denigrating him and his family you are doing a good deed you need to check what mitzvah you are fulfulling. I don't know what it could be. Are you trying to warn others from falling into the same situation? I don't see the good being done.
I am not obliged to love kapos on any months. It is nice that you are not addressing any of the points I've made and jumping from one argument to the next. Answer this, again,
Why would a Jew, a self-respecting Jew, a Jew with Ahavat Israel, a Normal Jew, a Decent Jew a Sane,Jew, whose ancestors were Bar Kochba, King David, Knig Solomon, Joshua, would want to do things like shmoozing with arabs, ISIS and AQ among them, learn arabic, convert to Islam, write terrorist-humanizing articles and do many other insance things that Sotloff did?!
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I am not obliged to love kapos on any months. It is nice that you are not addressing any of the points I've made and jumping from one argument to the next. Answer this, again,
Why would a Jew, a self-respecting Jew, a Jew with Ahavat Israel, a Normal Jew, a Decent Jew a Sane,Jew, whose ancestors were Bar Kochba, King David, Knig Solomon, Joshua, would want to do things like shmoozing with arabs, ISIS and AQ among them, learn arabic, convert to Islam, write terrorist-humanizing articles and do many other insance things that Sotloff did?!
I have not seen anything written which says he supported the terrorists. In my opinion he was misguided and as a result he was used as a tool by the terrorists. I don't believe that he converted to Islam, as all mentions of this include the mention that it was a 'fake conversion' in order to allow him to operate in the field where he needed to operate.
I think it is very premature to begin cursing this man. I don't curse anyone unless I know for sure the facts and I just don't see facts that indicate a Jew who is an enemy of his people.
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He was a a dual citizen of both Israel & the US.
He made aliyah.
He would not have made aliyah if he hated Israel.
So get your facts straight Manch.
Muman is a good a Jew so lay off.
I guess he is your latest victim troll!!!
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My only question is "Why would a Jew want to go to an Arab country like Syria or Iraq that is officially at a state of war with Israel?". They don't even pretend to have peace like Egypt and Jordan. I think it's actually against Israeli Law for Israeli citizens to go to these places. Israel doesn't even let Jewish citizens of Israel go to areas occupied by the Fakestinian Authority.
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He was a a dual citizen of both Israel & the US.
He made aliyah.
He would not have made aliyah if he hated Israel.
So get your facts straight Manch.
Muman is a good a Jew so lay off.
I guess he is your latest victim troll!!!
Where do you get the gall calling me a troll? You, due to preoccupation with Russian Goyim issue, probably never heard of disillusioned oleh or oleh who become anti-Israel? What facts are you talking about?! Why wouldn't I believe my eyes, my judgement, Debbie Schlussel or Obama? Instead of spreading the snot on the wall, simply answer, what kind of Jew would do what he did:
Would a Jew, a self-respecting Jew, a Jew with Ahavat Israel, a Normal Jew, a Decent Jew a Sane,Jew, whose ancestors were Bar Kochba, King David, King Solomon, Joshua, be shmoozing with arabs, ISIS and AQ among them, learn arabic, convert to Islam, write terrorist-humanizing articles and do many other insane things that Sotloff did?!
Need more prove, besides Debbie Schlussel. Ok:
1)His islam apologetic articles are white washing muslamics.
http://time.com/3258253/steven-sotloff/
2) Obama, I am sure based on accurate sources, mentioned in his speech today that Sotloff was full of admiration for the Islamic world. That I believe.
Now, where are the evidences to the contrary?!
I wasn't offending Muman, I like him and surely he doesn't need your pathetic excuse at protection. Stick to what you do best - sniffing out smegm*zoids.
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Manch and Tzelhar are 100% right on this issue.
How can anyone on this forum defend Judenrat scum like Steven Sotloff who worked for the most vicious Jew-hating magazines like Time and Foreign Affairs?
Here is what Sotloff's deformed "rabbi" Terry Bookman said about him:
And, Bookman added, he understood Sotloff’s passion. “He had a big humanist streak,” the rabbi recalled. “He was always curious about the Arab world; he became an Islamophile. He believed in the Arab spring. [And] his writing was exquisite.”
http://www.miamiherald.com/2014/09/03/4326400/to-the-end-journalist-steven-sotloff.html
This filthy kapo was an "Islamophile", a lover of Islam for those who need a translation.
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Manch and Tzelhar are 100% right on this issue.
How can anyone on this forum defend Judenrat scum like Steven Sotloff who worked for the most vicious Jew-hating magazines like Time and Foreign Affairs?
Here is what Sotloff's deformed "rabbi" Terry Bookman said about him:
http://www.miamiherald.com/2014/09/03/4326400/to-the-end-journalist-steven-sotloff.html
This filthy kapo was an "Islamophile", a lover of Islam for those who need a translation.
Thanks for bringing this to my attention Chaim I did not know this & Manch you are wrong on the Russian Goy issue everybody here is on my side with this & even Chaim said I was right.
They are as big of a danger as the Africans or the Arabs.
Yes Manch I have heard about such people & they are scum!!!
But when people are right on an issue such as the Russian Goyim admit it & shut up!!!!
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Muman,
in addition, please see this argument from the
http://www.debbieschlussel.com/74430/steven-sotloff-proud-jewish-supporter-of-hamas-isis-rebels-his-anti-us-friends-deeply-loved-islam/
".... But there is no hard proof for the baloney Yom Kippur story, which left-wing, anti-Israel Ynet/Yediot Ahronot claimed from an anonymous friend who claims he was captive in ISIS. But ISIS has released very few people, all of them Europeans for large ransoms. And Sotloff went to a Reform Temple, didn’t speak Hebrew, and didn’t pray. He also didn’t keep anything in Judaism. It is completely non-credible that he would suddenly know the Hebrew calendar, know the Yom Kippur prayers (most Orthodox people don’t even know these by heart), and not know (by the way) that Jews face East for prayers (the same as Muslims). The Yom Kippur story was concocted now to get sympathy for this HAMAS lover who cheered on ISIS because his family and friends want him to be remembered well, rather than as the Goebbels for jihad, which he was. Get a clue and use some critical thinking skills, assuming you have any, which I highly doubt. DS"
Does this make sense to you? I, for example, always learn about the date of Yom Kippur from a Jewish Calendar, I never know when it is on a given year, moreover, how would a Gentile know that the day of Sotloff's fasted was Yom Kippur? I am sure as hell, Sotloff would never confide to anyone that he was of Jewish descent.
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Muman,
in addition, please see this argument from the
http://www.debbieschlussel.com/74430/steven-sotloff-proud-jewish-supporter-of-hamas-isis-rebels-his-anti-us-friends-deeply-loved-islam/
".... But there is no hard proof for the baloney Yom Kippur story, which left-wing, anti-Israel Ynet/Yediot Ahronot claimed from an anonymous friend who claims he was captive in ISIS. But ISIS has released very few people, all of them Europeans for large ransoms. And Sotloff went to a Reform Temple, didn’t speak Hebrew, and didn’t pray. He also didn’t keep anything in Judaism. It is completely non-credible that he would suddenly know the Hebrew calendar, know the Yom Kippur prayers (most Orthodox people don’t even know these by heart), and not know (by the way) that Jews face East for prayers (the same as Muslims). The Yom Kippur story was concocted now to get sympathy for this HAMAS lover who cheered on ISIS because his family and friends want him to be remembered well, rather than as the Goebbels for jihad, which he was. Get a clue and use some critical thinking skills, assuming you have any, which I highly doubt. DS"
Does this make sense to you? I, for example, always learn about the date of Yom Kippur from a Jewish Calendar, I never know when it is on a given year, moreover, how would a Gentile know that the day of Sotloff's fasted was Yom Kippur? I am sure as hell, Sotloff would never confide to anyone that he was of Jewish descent.
You are right on this one .
At least admit when I was wrong & did not have all the facts are you man enough to do the same?
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Hey everyone, no need to get all out of shape about this.
It seems I may have erred on the side of 'benefit of the doubt' on this. I will say that it looks bad that this guy was so into Islam that he wanted to make it look attractive. I know that some Jews do get involved in these kinds of things and end up making teshuva but it is no excuse.
I have no intention other than avoiding making an error in judgment. As I stated initially we are all going to be judged in about three weeks. When a Jew prematurely passes judgment Hashem will judge us with prejudice. So I apologize if I appeared to defend this man. He was a Jew and as such I will simply say that he will be judged for what he did against the Jewish people.
His story should be a warning to all who follow in his footsteps.
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You know that some Jews in Nazi Germany didn't know exactly when the holidays were, and they didn't always know the prayers (they didn't have any siddurs). I think it makes JTF look odd in the eyes of the Jewish community to curse him. I have seen many articles praising his Jewish observance. Whether or not it is true I don't know.
I also heard an accusation that the 'Zionists' killed him for being anti-zionist. It is these kinds of conspiracies that make me sick.
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You know, sometimes I understand these muslims with the whole beheading thing.
Everyone says it is so barbarian and un-gentleman like...but didn't David decapitate Goliath in public?
Obviously it is different in this case...much different...and I support the Jewish cause not the muslim one...but
I frequently long to decapitate a German or 2. Not ones who are reasonably nice and friendly, but ones who think the holocaust is something they have a right to joke about and who have made physical and verbal attacks with no retribution.
What if I could just get them away from the safety of the world that shields their bs mockery of our tragic history and cut their heads off. Or what if I had the opportunity to pull a knife on them in a fight where I was attacked and get off on a self defense charge? I mean, really take it all the way with the blood gargling in their German throat.
That sounds kind of nice. I wish I had the moxie to do it. Choking them, holding them and ramming the blade into their throat with full force and then finishing the job for all others to see...and forget even respecting their dead body after the holocaust. They think the holocaust is nothing? Leave their head on a spike or something.
I actually sometimes admire decapitators. Maybe the Israelis can learn something? Yeah yeah yeah it's bad press I know...it would hurt the Israeli image... I dunno...maybe I'm wrong and vile and nasty...but the feeling of getting a hold of one of these trash talking sauerkrauts and gutting them like a fish, man sometimes you just feel like it needs to be, for the sake of justice.
How come we never get to kill Germans? I don't even care about arabs that much, my family is from Europe. The concept of killing Arabs doesn't even excite me that much when compared to getting a hold of a German.
Also, probably one of the reasons this guy liked arabs is because he liked the cultural style when compared to the style of modern judaism. If you look at the picture with him with a blade on a necklace, that is sort of a Judaic thing in a way which I understand...One of the issues in Israel is a cultural one...Israelis and Arabs in some ways have more in common culturally than Israelis and Americans.
In this case it seems like it was just too damn easy for them...these guys go right to them and get killed which I guess is justice for trying to help them...not like it is open combat, 1 on 1 or 2 on 1 in the field of war.
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shai77,
While I share some of your feelings I think it is best to avoid speaking of such things openly on a forum. You realize this forum is monitored as it is public. I hope you understand I am not disagreeing with you as I have had these kind of dreams myself.
Imagine blowing up the Mecca or bringing down the Al Aksa mosque. It is something which I have thought about but seldom share. But it is not something we should be discussing, IMO.
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shai77,
I suspect you have seen this movie. It is one of the only recently made movies I have seen (I havent seen movies in 10 years).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SF-iGTocZPA
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I also tend to believe it's BS but it is nevertheless very likely he begged for mercy and salvation from god since as the saying goes, there are no atheists in foxholes.
Muman,
in addition, please see this argument from the
http://www.debbieschlussel.com/74430/steven-sotloff-proud-jewish-supporter-of-hamas-isis-rebels-his-anti-us-friends-deeply-loved-islam/
".... But there is no hard proof for the baloney Yom Kippur story, which left-wing, anti-Israel Ynet/Yediot Ahronot claimed from an anonymous friend who claims he was captive in ISIS. But ISIS has released very few people, all of them Europeans for large ransoms. And Sotloff went to a Reform Temple, didn’t speak Hebrew, and didn’t pray. He also didn’t keep anything in Judaism. It is completely non-credible that he would suddenly know the Hebrew calendar, know the Yom Kippur prayers (most Orthodox people don’t even know these by heart), and not know (by the way) that Jews face East for prayers (the same as Muslims). The Yom Kippur story was concocted now to get sympathy for this HAMAS lover who cheered on ISIS because his family and friends want him to be remembered well, rather than as the Goebbels for jihad, which he was. Get a clue and use some critical thinking skills, assuming you have any, which I highly doubt. DS"
Does this make sense to you? I, for example, always learn about the date of Yom Kippur from a Jewish Calendar, I never know when it is on a given year, moreover, how would a Gentile know that the day of Sotloff's fasted was Yom Kippur? I am sure as hell, Sotloff would never confide to anyone that he was of Jewish descent.
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What Jews killing Germans? Defiling their women? Oh wait, we are Jews, we have to evaluate them 30 days and treat em nicely and convert them properly.
Oh well what can you do?
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Jews and Muslims don't pray in the same direction. From the US they do. But in Syria, they don't. Jews in Syria would pray Southwest while Muslims would pray South. That's what it meant when they said he just turned a little bit. Jerusalem is East of North America. So is Mecca. But in Israel, Jerusalem can be in different directions. In Iraq, Jerusalem is West. JTFers shouldn't have an affirmative action level of geography. Also, it's not hard to know when Yom Kippur will fall. It can only fall on a Monday, Wednesday, Thursday, or Shabbat. It falls on Shabbat 4 out of 5 years (2010-2014). Even if you don't know the exact date, it can be estimated since the Muslims also use a lunar calendar. If the Muslims are a day ahead or behind, then it estimate to Shabbat. Also, if you live according to the Jewish Calendar, you know Yom Kippur is always 10 Tishrei. Yom Kippur is exactly 4 weeks from last night (Friday Night). I don't need the Secular date to know. The Jewish Calendar and knowing the weeks (without even having know the date) is sufficient as long as you know what day of the week a holiday will fall on. Jews live according to the Jewish Calendar. We know the Shabbats according to the parasha read on it. We count weeks by Shabbat. As long as you know what day of the week Rosh Chodesh was, you can count what the date of any day of that month will be. It's not like we don't have a fixed calendar.
I'm not arguing in favor of Left Wing Jews that go to Arab countries. I'm just correcting inaccuracies.