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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: Chaim Ben Pesach on October 02, 2014, 06:27:00 PM
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As he frequently does, the Judenrat anti-Semite Michael Savage attacked and ridiculed Judaism once again on his evil radio program today. He called Judaism "insane", referred to Yom Kippur as "primitive" and "ridiculous", and said that Jews on the holiday have bad breath and body odor.
May it be Hashem's will on this Day of Atonement and Judgement that Michael Savage yimach shmo vezichro die as quickly as possible from a heart attack, stroke, cancer or a combination of horrific causes and diseases. In the next world after his death, may Michael Savage have no place in the World to Come and may he be punished severely for poisoning the minds of millions of human beings for many years.
אמן כן יהי רצון Amen ken yehi ratzon
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Wow! Savage ys"v is a filthy pig and I hope he dies in a fiery car crash on Yom Kippur. He's the worst kind of Jew I can think of. I'm sitting here with steam coming out of my ears. >:(
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Michael Faggot needs to die of AIDS soon. Maybe he will during this month, his own Sodomite History Month.
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Jews are just as likely or more to have mental issues. Mr Savage indeed suffers from Jewish self-hatred disease. Just like those sickos who find a perverse desire to eat a Ham sandwich on Yom Yippur just to prove to themselves and others that they are good people and Judaism is wrong. I join in cursing those Jews who desecrate the Awesome day but maintain hope that they may repent and return, if not in this life then in the next.
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www.youtube.com/watch?v=jlh7MSQHV00
This is his show today (I didn't listen to it)
-- Ookay I just skimmed around, I believe it is ~ 26 minutes into it. Im going to listen now.
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At 23 minutes he claims that ISIS is a tool of the Western powers ! (This is what Iran and the Shia claim!)
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Its from ~26 minutes for a few minutes, either way I don't want to waste my time with this garbage no more.
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He did a terrible thing. He really is one ugly scum bag.
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Michael Faggot needs to die of AIDS soon. Maybe he will during this month, his own Sodomite History Month.
I don't know why but Michael Faggot is one of my favorite nicknnames that you've come up with.
I don't think he's gay but it just fits.
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maybe pray he repents or something. wishing horrible suffering on him might not be a good idea.
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maybe pray he repents or something. wishing horrible suffering on him might not be a good idea.
This is my approach considering we are going into Yom Kippur on Friday evening.
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It is the following quote from Talmud Mesechet Rosh Hashana which makes me refrain from harsh judgement at this time... Not that this excuses the abhorrent statements which he allegedly makes, but I prefer to have my own personal decree free from any evil gezira.
http://halakhah.com/pdf/moed/Rosh_HaShanah.pdf
Rosh Hashanah 16b
R. Isaac further said: Three things call a man's iniquities to mind, namely, a shaky wall,8 the scrutinizing of prayer,9 and calling for [Divine] judgment on one's fellow man. For R. Abin said: He who calls down [Divine] judgment on his neighbour is himself punished first [for his own sins], as it says, And Sarai said unto Abram, My wrong be upon thee,10 and it is written later, And Abraham came to mourn for Sarah and to weep for her.11
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Hashem judges each man according to his actions and thoughts. No doubt Hashem will be thoroughly disgusted with the flippant and irreverant comments made by Savage. According to the Talmud the judgement of Hashem is righteous and any punishment given is deserved.
It has been taught: Beth Shammai say, There will be three groups at the Day of Judgment28 — one of thoroughly righteous, one of thoroughly wicked, and one of intermediate. The thoroughly righteous will forthwith be inscribed definitively as entitled to everlasting life; the thoroughly wicked will forthwith be inscribed definitively as doomed to Gehinnom, as it says. And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life and some to reproaches and everlasting abhorrence.29 The intermediate will go down to Gehinnom and squeal1 and rise again, as it says, And I will bring the third part through the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried. They shall call on my name and I will answer them.2 Of them, too, Hannah said, The Lord killeth and maketh alive, he bringeth down to the grave and bringeth up.3 Beth Hillel, however, say: He that abounds in grace inclines [the scales] towards grace,4 and of them David said, I love that the Lord should hear my voice and my supplication,5 and on their behalf David composed the whole of the passage, I was brought low and he saved me.6
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I can't listen to this guy. His arrogance is disgusting. What a kike!
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This is my approach considering we are going into Yom Kippur on Friday evening.
I think it's the best way. Wishing eternal suffering without mercy on anyone is extremely dangerous and a terrible habit to get into, casually cursing people, as your own deeds may be scrutinized. I made a huge mistake of doing that and then I realized I wasn't even shomer shabbat and that I have harmed people with words and also committed sins of pogem habris. I just sort of lost my patience because even though I am a sinner I couldn't stand other people's sins (homos, corrupt politicians etc...) I realized I was basically judging myself to condemnation because it is said that violating Shabbat is worse than murder and pogem habris is basically equivalent to every sin.
I personally think it is an extremely bad thing to do that and I'm actually really afraid of the result of having cursed people because when you realize your own shortcomings, you may lose all self esteem. You can't take back words once you say them.
The only measuring stick you need to look at is the 613 mitzvot, not what others are doing.
Does it say anywhere in the mitzvot to curse people to gehinnom? On the contrary...you can teach Torah and specifically rebuke people if they are violating mitzvot, telling them what they are doing wrong...you can even point out people who are pursuing the blood of others and even kill them if needed...it is even a mitzvah to execute certain people...but using words to condemn people to eternal gehinnom is very very dangerous and I don't think it is funny or something to do casually at all. The mitzvot say never to harm anyone with words...I think it can be as bad or worse than using a physical weapon to harm someone.
Considering everything, I don't even know if I would condemn Jesus or Hitler to eternal hell when I consider some of the sins I have committed!
The soul is eternal!
On an absolute scale, I could be judged as badly as them!
Maybe it would be better to say Michael should get 10 lashes from the Sanhedrin (may it be convened in the near future...), apologize to the community of Israel, and bring the proper sin offering at the temple (may it be built in the near future)...
It is my opinion that when one realizes how merciful lashes from the Sanhedrin would be (as well as other rulings based on the Torah) compared to the heavenly punishments one could receive from not having these laws in society and the danger that one could ignorantly become accustomed to committing these sins and stacking up judgement... the general public would probably want the reconstitution of the religious courts immediately.
I'm completely serious about this. I have pondered this a lot, the things that happened in my life and realized that if there was a religious court in the community, I may have been punished, but how much better off I would be!
Without the court, the sins can get more and more ingrained in society and character...
I guess the task will be finding the Torah scholars of character to sit on the court...the people who command the sort of respect to have this sort of power in society.
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Hashem judges each man according to his actions and thoughts. No doubt Hashem will be thoroughly disgusted with the flippant and irreverant comments made by Savage. According to the Talmud the judgement of Hashem is righteous and any punishment given is deserved.
This may be true but why endanger yourself more by publicly condemning him such suffering rather than pointing out the misdeed and showing the solution?
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I believe that Jews have same problems with traitors as we do. For an example we have cases where our worst butchers are second or third generation Serbs converted to a different religion, where they become Albanians, Bosnians, Croats, Hungarians, Bulgarians, Macedonians, Turks (three millions are pure Serbs) and so on...so sad. May God lead the Jews on right path and help them to keep their identity!
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As he frequently does, the Judenrat anti-Semite Michael Savage attacked and ridiculed Judaism once again on his evil radio program today. He called Judaism "insane", referred to Yom Kippur as "primitive" and "ridiculous", and said that Jews on the holiday have bad breath and body odor.
May it be Hashem's will on this Day of Atonement and Judgement that Michael Savage yimach shmo vezichro die as quickly as possible from a heart attack, stroke, cancer or a combination of horrific causes and diseases. In the next world after his death, may Michael Savage have no place in the World to Come and may he be punished severely for poisoning the minds of millions of human beings for many years.
אמן כן יהי רצון Amen ken yehi ratzon
I went on YouTube and listened to his program. I'll link to it at the bottom of this post.
While I was listening, I jotted down some points in the program where he criticized Judaism. They were around 17:50, 24:50, and 26:10.
Does it makes him anti-Semitic because from his experience, he smelled bad breath from Jews praying on Yom Kippur? And does criticizing Judaism make him an anti-Semite? I don't think he mocked it that much, or tried to attack it. In fact he criticizes Jews who mock the faith at 24:22:
So tomorrow night at sundown, the Jewish people, even the most bagel and lox
Jew, the laughing Jew, the beavis and butthead of the Jewish people, even they
kind of hang around the temple tomorrow night, the mockers. You know the
mockers, you see them everywhere. The ones that know everything, smarter
than everybody. They mock themselves, their own religion. In other words, a
young Woody Allen who mocks his own religion, that type. Or let's say, a Daily
Blowhard type who denies he's Jewish, that type.
So they go into a synagogue, and they glow. Everyone looks at them: "oooh,
wow, you know who that is? You know who just walked in? Oh, he's on
television? Really? Did I see him? Can I touch a button on his sleeve?" And he
sits there, and he thinks he's gonna be a special person before God because he
has a television show.
Also, I only heard him use the term primitive around 28:42, where he said:
Here I am, a modern man in a world that is more primitive than the most primitive
world on the planet. We're supposed to be scientific in America; we're supposed
to be forward-thinking; we're supposed to be clear thinking, and yet we are as
dumb as a primitive tribe. In fact, stupider than a primitive tribe. A primitive tribe
that is healthy would protect itself from an infected individual that came from
another tribe into their village. In fact, they wouldn't even let him enter the village.
Let's say he was vomiting on the way into their village and he ran a fever. What,
would they bring him into a tipi, say "have a nice bed here, let me get you a
chicken soup"?
They wouldn't let him in the village. But we welcome them with open arms. In fact,
we're so intelligent that our president, our leader, brings in a 100,000 of them this
summer by train. Many of whom were infected, and our border patrol agents who
are our first line of defense were screaming bloody murder that they're getting sick
themselves, coming down with scabies. Some of them came down with tuberculosis.
Border patrol agents, they tried to warn us but they were warned that they'd lose
their pensions if they told the truth.
Here's the video I watched:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jlh7MSQHV00
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Baruch Hashem I don't belong to any synagogue and spend all my Jewish holidays with my local Chabad minyan... Don't have these 'big wig' Jews going to Chabad in my county... Don't have synagogue dues... Chabad is priceless...
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GL2G,
I still rebuke him for speaking so badly about his Jewish brethren at a Holy Day such as Yom Kippur. Who knows the motivation in a mans heart. Even a blowhard big wig may make teshuva so why chastise him for attending. Sure we know, and he knows, that he is not fulfilling his obligation...
I would call what he did Lashon Hara... Something we are supposed to study and avoid during the High Holidays.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2k4-eVX1d84
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I don't know why but Michael Faggot is one of my favorite nicknnames that you've come up with.
I don't think he's gay but it just fits.
Look at the way he dresses. Also he lives in San Fran. He also swam naked with a famous gay author as a young man.
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His real name is Michael Wiener,I wonder if he is related to Anthony Wiener?
In any case he is a real wiener!!!!
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His real name is Michael Wiener,I wonder if he is related to Anthony Wiener?
In any case he is a real wiener!!!!
Wonce I knew a real Weiner...
He went to the computer camp which I worked at...
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Wonce I knew a real Weiner...
He went to the computer camp which I worked at...
And?
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Nothing new here. michael weiner the savage has always been nuts.
He always forgets his meds.
Its also possible that one of his boyfriends in san fran freako told him to say it. He lives is san fran freako you know.
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Nothing new here. michael weiner the savage has always been nuts.
He always forgets his meds.
Its also possible that one of his boyfriends in san fran freako told him to say it. He lives is san fran freako you know.
You mean Michael Wiener Savage is a rump ranger?
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Look at the way he dresses. Also he lives in San Fran. He also swam naked with a famous gay author as a young man.
LSDBR, the photo you're referring to was cropped by Media Matters to show Michael Savage & Allen Ginsberg swimming alone together. The original picture contains a bunch of other people from Fiji as well. He was in the woods collecting plants there.
Sean Hannity and Mark Levin are using a Media Matters smear when they attack Michael Savage with this cropped photo.
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GL2G,
I still rebuke him for speaking so badly about his Jewish brethren at a Holy Day such as Yom Kippur. Who knows the motivation in a mans heart. Even a blowhard big wig may make teshuva so why chastise him for attending. Sure we know, and he knows, that he is not fulfilling his obligation...
I would call what he did Lashon Hara... Something we are supposed to study and avoid during the High Holidays.
I looked up "Lashon Hara" on Wikipedia and found it described as follows (what I don't think applies to Savage's statements I put in bold):
Speech is considered to be lashon hara if it says something negative about a person or party,
is not previously known to the public, is not seriously intended to correct or improve a negative
situation, and is true.
I don't believe Savage's statements fall into the category I put in bold because the central theme of Savage's show is tough love. Some people react well to it and others react poorly, but I don't think it's intended to worsen a situation.
Muman, if you watch a show like the O'Reilly Factor, you can hear Bernie Goldberg talk about what victims conservatives are, and how the left-wing media owes us an apology. You can also listen to Charles Krauthammer flatter conservatives, and talk about the genius of the American people, how America is a superpower, and how Europe is beneath America.
I don't think that kind of talk has gotten us anywhere. And with the other talk show hosts on the radio, it's the same: flattery and victimhood everywhere. When Michael Savage comes along, and essentially says "get off the floor and quit crying. Bill Maher isn't going to apologize to you, and stop boasting about your superiority to Europe while America goes down the drain," the rest of the conservative media complains, and Fox blacklists him from their programs.
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Does it makes him anti-Semitic because from his experience, he smelled bad breath from Jews praying on Yom Kippur? And does criticizing Judaism make him an anti-Semite? I don't think he mocked it that much, or tried to attack it.
If there's one thing I can't stand it's Jews who whitewash anti-Semitism.
When he says that Jews who observe Yom Kippur have bad breath and body odor; when he mockingly reads the prayers of Yom Kippur and says "Could you live like that?"; when he ridicules Jews for "swinging a chicken above their heads" and calls them "crazy"; when he does all of this before an audience of millions of Gentiles who now think Jews have bad breath, body odor, crazy prayers and a crazy holiday - that's not anti-Semitism?!
What the hell is wrong with you? You love this Nazi pig so much that you will whitewash anything he says?
This vile cochroach has committed the sin of chillul Hashem (desecrating G-d's name) before millions of people. There is no forgiveness for this crime. May he die a terrible death and may his eternity in the next world be even worse.
As for those who say we cannot curse Jewish traitors, they obviously don't like the fact that we pray three times a day for the death and destruction of Jewish informers and Jewish apostates. When a Jewish traitor publicly ridicules Judaism and the Jewish people before millions of people, anyone who is silent or forgiving is committing a crime against G-d, His Torah, and His people.
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Boy, I'm glad that I don't listen to him. I can't believe that he would say it.
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If there's one thing I can't stand it's Jews who whitewash anti-Semitism.
When he says that Jews who observe Yom Kippur have bad breath and body odor; when he mockingly reads the prayers of Yom Kippur and says "Could you live like that?"; when he ridicules Jews for "swinging a chicken above their heads" and calls them "crazy"; when he does all of this before an audience of millions of Gentiles who now think Jews have bad breath, body odor, crazy prayers and a crazy holiday - that's not anti-Semitism?!
What the hell is wrong with you? You love this Nazi pig so much that you will whitewash anything he says?
This vile cochroach has committed the sin of chillul Hashem (desecrating G-d's name) before millions of people. There is no forgiveness for this crime. May he die a terrible death and may his eternity in the next world be even worse.
As for those who say we cannot curse Jewish traitors, they obviously don't like the fact that we pray three times a day for the death and destruction of Jewish informers and Jewish apostates. When a Jewish traitor publicly ridicules Judaism and the Jewish people before millions of people, anyone who is silent or forgiving is committing a crime against G-d, His Torah, and His people.
I'm an antisemitism white-washer because I know that Michael Savage exaggerates from time to time, and because I know his listeners are smart enough to know that he's not speaking about Judaism from the perspective of an educated Rabbi?
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I'm an antisemitism white-washer because I know that Michael Savage exaggerates from time to time, and because I know his listeners are smart enough to know that he's not speaking about Judaism from the perspective of an educated Rabbi?
He was clearly ridiculing Yom Kippur and implying that Jews are a "primitive tribe" unlike him with his phd in berries or whatever rubbish "education" he purports to have.
The vast majority of gentiles would not have much of an idea as to what Yom Kippur is with savage and his mockery being their introduction.
Where I am in the world, Yom Kippur ended around one and a half hours ago and the only odour I've had to endure today has been savage's.
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He was clearly ridiculing Yom Kippur and implying that Jews are a "primitive tribe" unlike him with his phd in berries or whatever rubbish "education" he purports to have.
The vast majority of gentiles would not have much of an idea as to what Yom Kippur is with savage and his mockery being their introduction.
Where I am in the world, Yom Kippur ended around one and a half hours ago and the only odor I've had to endure today has been savage's.
Unless I heard him wrong, he compared America to a primitive tribe and not Jews, saying that even a primitive tribe wouldn't let in sick people so readily, but America lets in illegal immigrants with tuberculosis. I made an earlier post in this thread about it.
I disagree with Chaim that Savage had a serious negative impact on the image of Judaism with his statements. He did not profess to be a Rabbi, and did not claim to be giving an educated Rabbi's description of Yom Kippur, so I don't believe his statements could have carried that much weight (even before an audience of millions. They're conservatives, after all.)
I also don't think he would blacklist Rabbis from his show, and prevent them from airing their opinions.
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Unless I heard him wrong, he compared America to a primitive tribe and not Jews, saying that even a primitive tribe wouldn't let in sick people so readily, but America lets in illegal immigrants with tuberculosis. I made an earlier post in this thread about it.
I disagree with Chaim that Savage had a serious negative impact on the image of Judaism with his statements. He did not profess to be a Rabbi, and did not claim to be giving an educated Rabbi's description of Yom Kippur, so I don't believe his statements could have carried that much weight (even before an audience of millions. They're conservatives, after all.)
I also don't think he would blacklist Rabbis from his show, and prevent them from airing their opinions.
He should never say those things about the holiday and the Jewish people to all of his listeners. It's beyond atrocious- he's planting bad seeds about the Jewish people in the minds of hundreds of thousands of people. The Jewish people have been through enough already, we don't need this Fat Ugly Kike humiliating the Jewish people on national radio, for laughs.
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I will add to Chaim's curse.
Shame on those certain religious Jews and ones who act like weaklings and give religious Judaism a bad name to create people like Michael savage.
Amen
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I will add to Chaim's curse.
Shame on those certain religious Jews and ones who act like weaklings and give religious Judaism a bad name to create people like Michael savage.
Amen
We don't live in a world of black and white choices. We live in a world where there are lesser evils and greater evils everywhere.
If Richard Nixon were running against a radical leftist Democrat politician who never spoke ill of Jews, I would still vote for Nixon against him/her, in spite of negative comments Nixon has made about Jews, because his administration would be better for Israel and America (w/o Henry Kissinger).
I'm sorry you, Chaim, and some other JTFers don't see it that way. I've heard Chaim say that people criticize him as an idealist. I didn't agree with those people then, but I agree with them now.
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LSDBR, the photo you're referring to was cropped by Media Matters to show Michael Savage & Allen Ginsberg swimming alone together. The original picture contains a bunch of other people from Fiji as well. He was in the woods collecting plants there.
Sean Hannity and Mark Levin are using a Media Matters smear when they attack Michael Savage with this cropped photo.
I don't care who is saying it, it is fact that Faggot and Ginsberg were very close back in the day. I wonder what they were doing.
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We don't live in a world of black and white choices. We live in a world where there are lesser evils and greater evils everywhere.
If Richard Nixon were running against a radical leftist Democrat politician who never spoke ill of Jews, I would still vote for Nixon against him/her, in spite of negative comments Nixon has made about Jews, because his administration would be better for Israel and America (w/o Henry Kissinger).
I'm sorry you, Chaim, and some other JTFers don't see it that way. I've heard Chaim say that people criticize him as an idealist. I didn't agree with those people then, but I agree with them now.
What makes Faggot an "idealist"? He cares about two things, his ratings and stuffing gelt in his pockets.
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"At the time of a Kahanist Government you Jewish traitors will be executed.......IMMEDIATELY!" (Chaim's assistant Yosef ben Meir 2002)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XOKEebktVco
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You mean Michael Wiener Savage is a rump ranger?
Look at him!
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I disagree with Chaim that Savage had a serious negative impact on the image of Judaism with his statements. He did not profess to be a Rabbi, and did not claim to be giving an educated Rabbi's description of Yom Kippur, so I don't believe his statements could have carried that much weight (even before an audience of millions. They're conservatives, after all.)
I also don't think he would blacklist Rabbis from his show, and prevent them from airing their opinions.
So your excuse for him making his comments is basically that he is an ignorant fool, and as such, he is not responsible for what he says about serious issues?
He has a radio show with millions listening. Take responsibility for the clown and its foolish and damaging comments.
If your "excuse" is really "I'm an ignorant moron and know nothing about Judaism so listen to a rabbi not me, but I'll give my opinion anyway and here it is..." that opinion should never be given at all. But really he anyway does not give any disclaimer that he is a moron, to preface his comments. He just says them over the radio. The so-called "excuses" you give are made up by you and not something he agrees to.
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I honestly believe that Savage is schizophrenic. Just listen to him for 5 minutes...he is spewing gibberish.
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Savage lost his mind years ago. I Can't believe people still take him seriously.
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I don't know if any of you know this, but Savage's newest book is not being put out on the shelves of any bookstore chain. No matter what you feel about Savage's comments about Yom Kippur, it's not right to do it.
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Savage lost his mind years ago. I Can't believe people still take him seriously.
yeah definitely. should wish gehinnom on insane people.
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this is what happens when you do drugs like marijuana. He may have done cocaine.
drug usage is not fun. its for lazy useless people who lead useless lives such as people in hollyweird.
even trying drugs just once is stupid and not fun.
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At least Savage detests Obama.
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At least Savage detests Obama.
on the days he takes his meds.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZCFuI9nPL4&feature=youtu.be
doesn't sound so bad here.