JTF.ORG Forum
General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: ChabadKahanist on December 03, 2014, 04:30:12 AM
-
Elections are coming soon & I want everybody to post on facebook & elsewhere not to vote for Ben Ari as he is a disgrace to the Kahanist movement!!!!!
Ben Ari must be guaranteed to lose!!!!!!
Unless he pledges both verbally & in writing that he will help Chaim,me or any other good Jew with aliyah problems if elected & unless he raises his voice against the thousands of Russian Goyim & missionaries with Reform & Conservative conversions that were given "aliyah" (sic) we must make sure he loses!!!
Your responses are encouraged & welcome!!!!!
-
It seems like he would still be better than other candidates. Also, his publicity increases Kahanes publicity, and to some extent JTFs publicity. Obviously there is a history of problems between him and JTF members, I prefer not to take sides, one Orthodox Jew against another.
The man & his 2 gophers Ben Gvir & Marzel are liars & do not deserve our support only our opposition.
I say Ben Ari is as bad as Lapid or Livni only he is a bogus Kahanist!!!!
When he refuses to help,Chaim,myself & other Jews who are having aliyah problems & in Chaim's case can not even enter Israel he is a heartless SOB & does NOT deserve our support!!!!!
-
Agree with all you say , i got trouble with aliyah moment i put feet in Israel they targeted my family did eevrything to prevent me to make aliyah they sent patrol officers arabs to my parent's home every week threatening my family.
Anyone preventing Jew come in Israel 's to be considered as a enemy of Israel dealt as terrorist as any arabs in the Jewish country.
-
Agree with all you say , i got trouble with aliyah moment i put feet in Israel they targeted my family did eevrything to prevent me to make aliyah they sent patrol officers arabs to my parent's home every week threatening my family.
Anyone preventing Jew come in Israel 's to be considered as a enemy of Israel dealt as terrorist as any arabs in the Jewish country.
Then please spread the word that Ben Ari must be defeated wherever you can!!!
I would also appreciate if Chaim would chime in also.
Thanks!!!!
-
The 'informed' opinion is that Likud could drop to 4-6 seats and that if Ben Ari, Feiglin, Regev, Hotovely and others want to really rise, they have to hitch themelves to Bennett's Wagon.
But I doubt if their ga'avah will let them.
(http://cdn.timesofisrael.com/uploads/2012/07/F120521UL01.jpg)
-
The 'informed' opinion is that if Ben Ari, Feiglin, Regev and others want to really rise, they have to hitch themelves to Bennett's Wagon. But I doubt if their ga'avah will let them.
I am willing to bet that Ben Ari hitches on with Bennett that is how bad he wants to be an MK with all the perks,if not this election the next one.
This is my prediction!!!!
-
I don't like them nor trust these guys but I don't think there is need to actively campaign against them.
-
I don't like them nor trust these guys but I don't think there is need to actively campaign against them.
I disagree,if we can show them for the bogus Kahanists they are & they are frauds & not real Kahanists at all it is worth it..
I already started & want help making it go viral so his defeat is guaranteed!!!!
IMHO,This is a worthwhile campaign even if we can get it from him in writing that he will try & help Chaim & other Jews with aliyah problems
-
I am planning to vote, bli neder, for the most right-wing and Torah dedicated party available.
-
I am planning to vote, bli neder, for the most right-wing and Torah dedicated party available.
I think we could extract promises in writing out of Ben Ari if we play our cards right like will pledge to help all those having aliyah troubles,etc.
But he has lost my trust a while ago.
-
Ezra Levant details the Islamo Nazis Israel is dealing with.
Ezra Levant details the anti Israel press heard in the news.
This is a must hear.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Zb6s71Volw
-
It might backfire, this is going to be perceived as an unnecessary and petty bickering.
I disagree,if we can show them for the bogus Kahanists they are & they are frauds & not real Kahanists at all it is worth it..
I already started & want help making it go viral so his defeat is guaranteed!!!!
IMHO,This is a worthwhile campaign even if we can get it from him in writing that he will try & help Chaim & other Jews with aliyah problems
-
It might backfire, this is going to be perceived as an unnecessary and petty bickering.
Ben Ari & company must be taken to task why did they refuse to help when they had the power to do something while sitting in Keneset IMHO.
If it is done right our side will prevail.
-
Maybe you are right. The goal indeed should be to bring them to pledge that should they get elected, they would use power as MKs to help any Jew who is unjustly denied from making aliyah.
Not that I expect them to ever show enthusiasm to help Chaim with the aliyah denial. They will fake sympathy and say "There khis nothing khai can do"
-
I think we could extract promises in writing out of Ben Ari if we play our cards right like will pledge to help all those having aliyah troubles,etc.
But he has lost my trust a while ago.
I think this is a good idea. Btw ben Ari is not a kahanist and doesn't claim to be one. Only his supporters and detractors point out that he is a "former kahanist"
Last time Chaim campaigned against them because they were frauds and they spread some malicious lies about Chaim and JTF. If they would commit to helping real Jews like Chaim with aliyah that would be a welcome change, but I also wouldn't believe them until they implemented it. And why didn't they do this in the past?
-
I think this is a good idea. Btw ben Ari is not a kahanist and doesn't claim to be one. Only his supporters and detractors point out that he is a "former kahanist"
Last time Chaim campaigned against them because they were frauds and they spread some malicious lies about Chaim and JTF. If they would commit to helping real Jews like Chaim with aliyah that would be a welcome change, but I also wouldn't believe them until they implemented it. And why didn't they do this in the past?
If done right it can be extracted from them like a pound of flesh!!!
-
The only right wing candidate the kahanist Israelis would consider is feiglin. Otherwise, they assume Naftali "99.9%" Bennett is best choice.
Best to spend time exposing him as the fraud and reminding the Israelis that Shamir, Sharon, and Beigin screwed up worse than many leftists abd to learn from history.
Only choose religious zionists or jewish rabbis to be leaders.
-
בס''ד
As most people on this forum know, I strongly supported Baruch Marzel until he started claiming that I am not really banned from Israel. Michael Ben Ari also publicly attacked and ridiculed me. I have no idea why they choose to make these slanderous remarks.
I responded to their attacks during the last campaign. I made videos proving with documentation that I am in fact banned from Israel to this very day. I also documented that I sent money to help Marzel in his 2003 campaign for the Knesset.
Several months ago, I had a telephone conversation with Bentzy Gopshtein, who is one of the leading figures in their movement. I offered not to attack them in the next campaign if they would stop trying to maliciously undermine my effort to make aliyah by spreading lies about me. Bentzy and I agreed to a truce.
Chabad Kahanist, I understand your anger over what has happened to you. I think you will agree that my situation is even worse than yours. But I don't believe that it benefits the Jewish cause if the public sees people whom they consider to be Kahanists fighting with each other. So I am not going to attack them unless they again start to publicly smear me in which case I will have no choice but to defend myself.
One last point. If the government ever does let me into Israel and lets me run for Knesset, if I get elected, I will do everything I can to help you and other Jews who have been unjustly denied Israeli citizenship.
-
Beezrat Hashem
-
בס''ד
As most people on this forum know, I strongly supported Baruch Marzel until he started claiming that I am not really banned from Israel. Michael Ben Ari also publicly attacked and ridiculed me. I have no idea why they choose to make these slanderous remarks.
I responded to their attacks during the last campaign. I made videos proving with documentation that I am in fact banned from Israel to this very day. I also documented that I sent money to help Marzel in his 2003 campaign for the Knesset.
Several months ago, I had a telephone conversation with Bentzy Gopshtein, who is one of the leading figures in their movement. I offered not to attack them in the next campaign if they would stop trying to maliciously undermine my effort to make aliyah by spreading lies about me. Bentzy and I agreed to a truce.
Chabad Kahanist, I understand your anger over what has happened to you. I think you will agree that my situation is even worse than yours. But I don't believe that it benefits the Jewish cause if the public sees people whom they consider to be Kahanists fighting with each other. So I am not going to attack them unless they again start to publicly smear me in which case I will have no choice but to defend myself.
One last point. If the government ever does let me into Israel and lets me run for Knesset, if I get elected, I will do everything I can to help you and other Jews who have been unjustly denied Israeli citizenship.
Hopefully I will the citizenship thing rectified real soon as I got a lawyer working on it.
Perhaps you are right that I should lay off but too late I posted & Lenny Goldberg liked my post as did a few other people.
Ben Ari had the chance to help you,me & quite a few other people & turned a deaf ear.
I think we should force a written promise out of him that he will help any good Jew that is having aliyah problems should he get elected again.
IMHO,He will not pass the threshold.
My anger isn't only about me it is about you & all the other good Jews that are having aliyah problems.
The issue is bigger than you are IMHO.
Any more thoughts Chaim would be appreciated.
-
Hopefully I will the citizenship thing rectified real soon as I got a lawyer working on it.
Perhaps you are right that I should lay off but too late I posted & Lenny Goldberg liked my post as did a few other people.
Ben Ari had the chance to help you,me & quite a few other people & turned a deaf ear.
I think we should force a written promise out of him that he will help any good Jew that is having aliyah problems should he get elected again.
IMHO,He will not pass the threshold.
My anger isn't only about me it is about you & all the other good Jews that are having aliyah problems.
The issue is bigger than you are IMHO.
Any more thoughts Chaim would be appreciated.
Why are you barred from Israel?
-
Why are you barred from Israel?
I am not barred from being here I am just being jerked around with aliyah process.
I am limbo until I go before the supreme court & they make a psak,but I am living in Israel legally just no citizenship yet.
-
I am not barred from being here I am just being jerked around with aliyah process.
I am limbo until I go before the supreme court & they make a psak,but I am living in Israel legally just no citizenship yet.
But you're Jewish...why are they disputing that?
-
But you're Jewish...why are they disputing that?
They are disputing that...because they are not Jew!
-
Btw ben Ari is not a kahanist and doesn't claim to be one. Only his supporters and detractors point out that he is a "former kahanist"
?? And other pictures as well of Rav Kahane on their page.
https://www.facebook.com/OtzmaLeyisrael/photos/pb.522010131151528.-2207520000.1417725626./526814260671115/?type=1&theater
-
I will not say what I think of these individuals because I want to respect Chaim's wishes.
-
Watch and learn from the master: Any Jew who does anything less than this, is not enough a Kahanist..maybe a good Jew, but not a Kahanist
http://samsonblinded.org/blog/710.htm
-
But you're Jewish...why are they disputing that?
They are not disputing my being Jewish.
They are giving me a hard time because of some legal troubles caused by my ex-wife 20 years ago.
They will have to eventually give me either full citiezenship or permanant residency because I am a Jew & married to an Israeli registered with the rabbanut.
-
They are not disputing my being Jewish.
They are giving me a hard time because of some legal troubles caused by my ex-wife 20 years ago.
They will have to eventually give me either full citiezenship or permanant residency because I am a Jew & married to an Israeli registered with the rabbanut.
Wait, were you born jewish or a convert? I'm confused where the question is. All born a Jew is a jew c
-
Wait, were you born jewish or a convert? I'm confused where the question is. All born a Jew is a jew c
I am a born Jew.
No converts in my family all born Jews.
-
"Marzel & Ben Ari running for Knesset is a mistake" (Dr Aryeh Eldad)
http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/news/headlines-breaking-stories/274355/marzel-ben-ari-planning-to-run-for-the-20th-knesset.html
Whatever their plus-point, negative-points, and motivations, everyone, including their own families, agrees that as candidates simply on a human IQ/calibre level, Marzel & Ben Ari are mouth-breathing ego-inflamed dudus & extremely mediocre fellows
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/--COv3vl-BEw/UmoRvzCScwI/AAAAAAAABw8/TCjSOpNJe6E/s1600/marzel.JPG)
-
I am a born Jew.
No converts in my family all born Jews.
So what's the hold up? You're jewish.
-
?? And other pictures as well of Rav Kahane on their page.
https://www.facebook.com/OtzmaLeyisrael/photos/pb.522010131151528.-2207520000.1417725626./526814260671115/?type=1&theater
Well that's a big change from last time they ran. Probably because they failed to pass the threshold last time, so they decided kahanism is popular and their only chance for support.
-
I wish them well.
-
So what's the hold up? You're jewish.
As I said above 20 years ago my ex-wife made me some legal problems & that is causing the delay.
I have a lawyer working on it & hope to have it done but as you know there is tons of bueracracy here.
If you had legal problems in the past the interior minisitry will jerk you around.
-
Yesterday I spoke with Motty Markowitz who runs Ben Ari's campaign in Beitar Illit & who happens to be a friend of mine.
He said that he will have a talk with with Ben Ari.
If he is not in Kenesset there isn't anything he can do & he blew his chance to help,Chaim,me & others when he was an MK.
I doubt Otzma will pass the threshold in any case!!