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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: jsullivan on August 22, 2007, 03:19:45 AM
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Finally, our great members are being called upon to act in our effort to get Chaim Ben Pesach into the Land of Israel.
G-d willing, we are starting with a simple e-mail campaign to Knesset (Israeli Parliament) members.
Below you will find the e-mail addresses of 50 Knesset members from the Likud, Shas, Yisrael Beitenu, National Union-National Religious Party, and the Torah Judaism party (Agudah).
Please send an e-mail to all 50 of these Knesset members following these guidelines:
1. You can send one e-mail to all 50 of these Knesset members at once. But it should be sent to all 50 of the addresses as "Blind Copies" or "BCC". This way each Knesset member will not see the names of the other 49 Knesset members who are receiving the same e-mail at the same time. This is important because if Knesset members see that they are only one on a list of 50 people receiving the same e-mail, they are much less likely to respond. Therefore, you can place all 50 e-mail addresses in the "BCC" section to blind copy them.
2. If you want to send the e-mails seperately to all 50 Knesset members, that takes much more time, but it is more effective. The decision on how to do this is yours.
3. Every e-mail must be short and to the point. Knesset members and their staff will not read long e-mails.
4. Every e-mail should include Chaim's Hebrew and English names. You should make it clear that you are writing on behalf of Chaim Ben Pesach, whose English name is Victor Vancier.
5. You must be polite. E-mails with threats, crude language or extremist talk will not be answered by the Knesset staff members.
6. If G-d willing you receive any responses, please send them to me in a private message. You can also share them with our other members by copying them onto this thread on the forum.
7. Our goal is to get back positive responses from Knesset members or their staff. If we do, G-d willing, these messages might be used as part of Chaim's appeal to the Interior Minister.
8. You do not have to use your real name in sending these e-mails. We are starting by sending out e-mails with just usernames. It is less effective, but we will try this first. If someone wishes to use their real name, they of course can do so.
9. After briefly explaining Chaim's situation, and how unjust it is, the only thing that you request is that the Knesset members respond by e-mail to give their opinion on the matter. Do not request any other action from the Knesset members, because if you do, it makes a response much less likely.
10. The vast majority of Knesset members will NOT respond. Getting anonymous e-mails in English from the United States is not likely to get much of a response from Knesset members or their staff. But this is just a first step by us to make the Knesset members and their staff familiar with Chaim's case.
You can share with us not only any responses, G-d willing, but also what you wrote or what you suggest that others write.
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Will do.
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I didn't send anything, yet. I just want to know if this is crappy, or too long, or any criticisms one might have before I send this individually to the MKs. I'm not sure if we should mention that Arafat and other Nazis yamah shemam were allowed to come into Israel and so on. I want to keep this positive, but maybe I'm wrong.
Dear MK Edelstein,
I am pleading for your distinguished help for the award of Israeli citizenship to a Jewish hero named Victor Vancier, otherwise known by his Hebrew name, Chaim ben Pesach. Chaim spearheaded the campaign to free millions of Soviet Jews, such as Natan Sharansky, from the Kremlin's anti-Semitic emigration policies, so that they could have a chance to move to their free and democratic homeland of Israel. Chaim's tactics and methods landed him in prison for a total of five years. After paying his debt to society, however, Chaim wanted to finally realize his own dream of living with his Jewish brothers, but was exiled upon his arrival. We believe that this is hardly the honor that should be bestowed upon a man of such self-sacrifice. Now that he is applying for Aliya again, I ask you for your help in bringing him home. Please review and tell me where you will be standing on this matter. Thank you for your time.
That's wonderful.
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I have the day off. No problem whatsoever.
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Here's my first draft:
To whom it may concern:
I am writing this letter on behalf of a Jewish hero named Chaim Ben Pesach, also known by his American name, Victor Vancier. Mr. Ben Pesach is currently in the process of fulfilling his lifelong dream of returning to the Jewish homeland, a simple thing for many, but not for him.
Mr. Ben Pesach played a crucial role in the campaign to save Russian Jews, and for this, he spent five years of his life in prison. His most recent application for Aliya was denied for this very reason, and the status of his current application is far from certain.
What Mr. Ben Pesach did in the 1980’s may have been illegal, but it was by no means selfish. Mr. Ben Pesach is a man who loves the Jewish people. He has paid his debt to society and—as a man of fifty—deserves the right to go home.
I humbly request that you consider this man’s selfless acts on behalf of the Jewish people and assist me in getting Mr. Ben Pesach back to the land of his forefathers.
Please let me know your feelings regarding this very important matter.
Sincerely and with utmost respect,
S
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How should I address these people?
I don't even know their names.
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Here's my first draft:
To whom it may concern:
I am writing this letter on behalf of a Jewish hero named Chaim Ben Pesach, also known by his American name, Victor Vancier. Mr. Ben Pesach is currently in the process of fulfilling his lifelong dream of returning to the Jewish homeland, a simple thing for many, but not for him.
Mr. Ben Pesach played a crucial role in the campaign to save Russian Jews, and for this, he spent five years of his life in prison. His most recent application for Aliya was denied for this very reason, and the status of his current application is far from certain.
What Mr. Ben Pesach did in the 1980’s may have been illegal, but it was by no means selfish. Mr. Ben Pesach is a man who loves the Jewish people. He has paid his debt to society and—as a man of fifty—deserves the right to go home.
I humbly request that you consider this man’s selfless acts on behalf of the Jewish people and assist me in getting Mr. Ben Pesach back to the land of his forefathers.
Sincerely and with utmost respect,
S
It is excellent, and better than mine. Just figure out how to add what Jimmy said:
7. Our goal is to get back positive responses from Knesset members or their staff. If we do, G-d willing, these messages might be used as part of Chaim's appeal to the Interior Minister
9. After briefly explaining Chaim's situation, and how unjust it is, the only thing that you request is that the Knesset members respond by e-mail to give their opinion on the matter. Do not request any other action from the Knesset members, because if you do, it makes a response much less likely.
That's right. I need to let them know that I want them to reply.
I'll fix that.
Thanks
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Now, if everyone does this, we might just get somewhere.
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How should I address these people?
I don't even know their names.
I had the same problem. I just call 'em MK and then their last name. Jimmy, is that alright? Perhaps you should link us to a page that displays their first names if the MK thing isn't good.
Is the first name on the list Yedelstein or Y. Edelstein?
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Is the first name on the list Yedelstein or Y. Edelstein?
Y. Edelstein. Like bnetanyahu is B. Netanyahu.
Got it.
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What should the subject of our email be?
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Here's the list of all Knesset members.
The 50 that Chaim chose are from Likud, Shas, Yisrael Beitenu, Ichud Leumi-Mafdal, and United Torah Judaism Party.
http://www.knesset.gov.il/mk/eng/mkindex_current_eng.asp?view=1
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What should the subject of our email be?
The subject should be whatever you think will cause the Knesset staff to want to open and read the email. Everyone should try to have their own original subject.
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Here's the list of all Knesset members.
The 50 that Chaim chose are from Likud, Shas, Yisrael Beitenu, Ichud Leumi-Mafdal, and United Torah Judaism Party.
http://www.knesset.gov.il/mk/eng/mkindex_current_eng.asp?view=1
This chart is great and most helpful. I can now see who is male or female.
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How about we will demand foreign aid be cut to Israel if Chaim Ben Pesach is not allowed in
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How about we will demand foreign aid be cut to Israel if Chaim Ben Pesach is not allowed in
If threats are made, they will ignore the email.
You could say that you believe that this case hurts Israel's image in the United States.
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How about we will demand foreign aid be cut to Israel if Chaim Ben Pesach is not allowed in
If threats are made, they will ignore the email.
You could say that you believe that this case hurts Israel's image in the United States.
Yes that sounds better
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I will not help Chaim until he drops the counsel of the Jew-killer Demjanjuk. I had relatives murdered is Treblinka and Sobibor. Chaim and Sheftel-may they rot in Gehennon-YIMACH SHMAM VEZICHRAM!
This type of sick and evil cursing will not be allowed on the forum. If you do not publicly apologize, you will be permanently banned.
We do not agree with what Sheftel did in the Demanyuk case. But many rightwing groups in Judea and Samaria accept his legal help. He represents Nadia Matar of Women In Green, and he represented the Jewish girls who were imprisoned during the Gush Katif protests, and he has a weekly internet program on Arutz 7, which is the main internet site for Jews in Judea and Samaria.
When Sheftel heard about what happened to Chaim, he offered to represent Chaim for free. Sheftel is one of the best attorneys in Israel.
For you to curse Chaim like that takes a lot of nerve. That will be the day when you have done one millionth of what Chaim has done for the Jewish people. And everything that Chaim is doing now is only to save Jews from the terrible tragedy that will come if they do wake up in time, G-d forbid.
Hey cmon' Jimmy Chaim JR has a vaild point here... he has a legitimate beef for whatever reason
Lets not should this guy to death...
Although it is great that this guy is willing to help Chaim and i will certainly be there helping Chaim's plight to get into Israel
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Ok ive done my part for Chaim and emailed members of the Knesset
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I have sent emails out to all names on the list separately and use the correct gender title before the name to show it was an individual email. I hope it was helpful.
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What should the subject of our email be?
The subject should be whatever you think will cause the Knesset staff to want to open and read the email. Everyone should try to have their own original subject.
I put in "Let Chaim ben Pesach emigrate to Israel" for the subject heading.
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Jimmy, do you approve of what TANIA and I wrote, or do you want us to change some things.
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Everyone should post their letters here. It will motivate the lazy individuals amongst us to do the same.
I'm talking to you, CJD and Raiseyourfist.
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Letting CBP in is the Jewish and democratic thing to do.
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Ok, I will write up my letter to the knesset members in about an hour. All I have to do is put one knesset members email address in the regular address box and the other 49 in the bcc box?
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The statement made in this post was incorrect, I am sorry for any inconvenience I caused with my ignorance.
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I am a bit confused. if I send an email with one address in the standard address box and others in the bcc, will the email addresses in the bcc see each other?
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I am a bit confused. if I send an email with one address in the standard address box and others in the bcc, will the email addresses in the bcc see each other?
bcc means blind cc, so whatever addresses you put into the bcc address box will not show up in the emails and the recipients won't see any of the other emails.
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I was wrong, sorry.
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done
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Great info, Jimmy.
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Here is a program you can use to send out mass emails that works very well and you can use the demo to do this:
http://www.maxprog.com/MaxBulk.html (http://www.maxprog.com/MaxBulk.html)
It will use your own mail server (sorry, it doesn't work with Yahoo!, Google, or Hotmail web mail) and will send each person an email addressed to them.
If you have any problems using this, I will try to help but I am very overwhelmed so it may take me some time.
Here are instructions:
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Victor Vancier more commonly known as Chaim Ben Pesach, is a Jewish hero who has tried to make Aliyah to Israel for over a decade. He sacrificed his entire life to save jews and the least that can be expected of you is to allow him to fulfill his dream of living in Israel. He has unjustly been denied the right to live in Israel while tons of jew haters enjoy all the benefits of living in the holy land. In a short period of time Victor Vancier will attempt to make aliyah so lets do the right thing and welcome him in.
Above is the letter I wrote. I already sent out all the emails.
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Jimmy, do you approve of what TANIA and I wrote, or do you want us to change some things.
I think both of your letters are good.
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Great thanks for the list!
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My mail, probably not the best, but oh well, I did something.
subject: Let the patriots come to Israel
body: Chaim Ben Pesach/Victor Vancier is a Jewish patriot, and people like him are needed to save occidental Israel from the plundering Muslims. Israel is an obstacle to Islamic worldwide revolution, and Israelis must realize their role in defending advanced civilization over tyranny. Israel will be at its optimum strength as a homogeneous and Jewish state, primed to benefit the world and defend itself. Letting in this honorable man would be a great start to building the society the world needs.
Sincerely,
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My mail, probably not the best, but oh well, I did something.
subject: Let the patriots come to Israel
body: Chaim Ben Pesach/Victor Vancier is a Jewish patriot, and people like him are needed to save occidental Israel from the plundering Muslims. Israel is an obstacle to Islamic worldwide revolution, and Israelis must realize their role in defending advanced civilization over tyranny. Israel will be at its optimum strength as a homogeneous and Jewish state, primed to benefit the world and defend itself. Letting in this honorable man would be a great start to building the society the world needs.
Sincerely,
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That sounds a bit "extreme" to me. Remember what Jimmy said:
5. You must be polite. E-mails with threats, crude language or extremist talk will not be answered by the Knesset staff members.
Also remember to talk about the cause Chaim fought for.
I'm working on it - thanks for the letter ideas and tips for mailing.
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I got this message after the emails. Does anyone know what it means??
Your message cannot be delivered to the following recipients:
Recipient address: [email protected]
Reason: Over quota
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I got this message after the emails. Does anyone know what it means??
Your message cannot be delivered to the following recipients:
Recipient address: [email protected]
Reason: Over quota
I got the same one Jimmy said not to worry about it anytime you do that many mailings a few of them come back that way. I got three out of all that were on the list.You may get two more back
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3-4 of mine bounced back but I believe it got to the majority of people there.
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3-4 of mine bounced back but I believe it got to the majority of people there.
Same here. A few of them don't work but that's ok. I'll have to look and figure out which ones failed.
The great majority of them made it through. :)
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Here's my e-mail. The one to Livnat got sent back.
Subject: Will Chaim Ben Pesach (Victor Vancier) be allowed into Israel?
I would just like to bring to your attention a matter that is very close to
my heart. A great Jew named Chaim Ben Pesach (English: Victor Vancier) is
currently not allowed in Israel. The only reason is that he cared so much
about Soviety Jewry that he was willing to sacrifice his life and bomb
DIPLOMATIC targets of the Soviets to make the plight of Soviet Jews a front
page issue.
That actually did work. What he did was illegal and he did his time in
prison for this. He spent years in maximum security prisons.
But isn't that enough?
Hasn't this great Jew paid his dues?
Isn't it time he be allowed into Israel which is supposed to be the home for
every Jew no matter what their views?
It seems crazy that Yassir Arafat who
was responsible for the murder of many many Jews was invited into Israel,
but Chaim ben Pesach (Victor Vancier) is still banned. This seems like a
great injustice.
I would love to hear your thoughts on this matter.
Thank you in advance for taking the time to listen.
(I used a subject heading that was an open ended question that means I might be against Chaim going into Israel in the hopes that this will keep their interest enough to open the e-mail.)
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Will do.
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We need to stress in our emails that Chaim has been barred from Israel for 11 long years, which is already a severe punishment.
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I sent one to fat pig fraud LIE berman i wrote it civil it was hard to write a civil letter to this fraud but i did
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Has anyone gotten any replies?
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I sent them. In yahoo, they don't let you do all of them at the same time, they only let you bcc like 15-20 at once so I broke the list up.
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I have sent emails out to all names on the list separately and use the correct gender title before the name to show it was an individual email. I hope it was helpful.
Likewise. People should also make sure of "Dr.", "Ms.", and "Rabbi."
I think, to make it easier, you can just use "Dear MK [lastname]" as a salutation.
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I will write in Russian to those MK's that are Russian.
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I also got like 4 bounced back.
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I only got one kicked back.
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the only bounce I got was livnat