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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: SherePunjab on August 23, 2007, 10:10:22 PM
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Troll
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http://youtube.com/watch?v=rlCZy8HvsHw
Hey, SherePunjab.
Is there are Sikh nationalist movement?
Do Sikhs want a state?
What are your goals?
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Watch this one, i'm tellin' ya.
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http://youtube.com/watch?v=rlCZy8HvsHw
Hey, SherePunjab.
Is there are Sikh nationalist movement?
Do Sikhs want a state?
What are your goals?
There used to be a big sikh nationalist movement in the 80s but the liberal sikhs messed it all up. After the hindus attacked the golden temple and the assasination of the then prime minister of india Indira Gandi by her 2 sikh bodyguards we were very close to getting it. Khalistan was going to be the name. Shere Punjab is a sikh nationalist group but our main focus is on the muslims right now.
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Watch this one, i'm tellin' ya.
You got a problem with me?
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Watch this one, i'm tellin' ya.
You got a problem with me?
It's a figure of speech. I'm sure he meant no harm.
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Watch this one, i'm tellin' ya.
You got a problem with me?
This will depend on you. I personally think you are a [censored]. I may be wrong, just my gut feeling. Keep posting. You will either be welcomed, or hang your self.
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Goals of Shere Punjab are to teach a lesson to muslim extremists who are trying to destroy Sikhism. Extremist Hindus as well but they are very weak in western countries. We could take them out in no time.
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What does Khali mean?
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Watch this one, i'm tellin' ya.
You got a problem with me?
This will depend on you. I personally think you are a moron. I may be wrong, just my gut feeling. Keep posting. You will either be welcomed, or hang your self.
How did you come to that conclusion? Do you have something against Sikhs?
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What does Khali mean?
Khali means pure. Thus Khalistan means land of the pure.
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I have nothing against the Sikhs, they are great people. Keep posting, how do you feel about the Jews ?
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SherePunjabi. Please show respect to other members on this forum. I am interested to find out your feelings among the Jews and Chrisitans you got a lot of slammings on the Hindus.
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Doesn't Pak also mean pure?
Wouldn't that be strange?
Two countries right next to each other whose names mean the same thing?
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MasterWolf1 ,
I know where this is going lol.
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I have nothing against the Sikhs, they are great people. Keep posting, how do you feel about the Jews ?
We think jews are very brave and courageous people who are good fighters against Islam. The JTF and Shere Punjab can be very good allies.
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SherePunjabi. Please show respect to other members on this forum. I am interested to find out your feelings among the Jews and Chrisitans you got a lot of slammings on the Hindus.
Hi masterwolf. Not too sure how I was disrespecting any members? We like jews and christians. Throughout all of sikh history they have been good to us.
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MasterWolf1 ,
I know where this is going lol.
LOL mosquewatch. And he mentioned Hindus and this guy on the video is living in the United States obviously. JTF supports India against evil Muslim toilet Pakistan.
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I see that you disrespect the Jews, by the text, " jews"......
Hmmmm...
You respect the Jews so much that you can not at least show respect by actually texting the word "Jew" ?
Let us move on too mohammed, the rapist pig, how do you feel about this ?
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Doesn't Pak also mean pure?
Wouldn't that be strange?
Two countries right next to each other whose names mean the same thing?
Yes Pak means pure but pakistan is indeed a very filthy country. Khalistan would not be just pure in its name but pure as a country as well. A country that treats all as equals and where muslims and pagan hindus will not be able to force their beleifs down anyones throat.
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MasterWolf1 ,
I know where this is going lol.
LOL mosquewatch. And he mentioned Hindus and this guy on the video is living in the United States obviously. JTF supports India against evin Muslim toilet Pakistan.
BINGO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Ban this guy. Sikhism is a CREATION of Islam. Its abrahamic but this isn't an Abrahamic-faith board, its only for TWO parts of the Abrahamic faith (chrisstianity/islam).
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SherePunjab ,
When tell me about mohammed , that filthy rapist vermin please ?
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Xgamer ,
Relax :)
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The guy in the video is a Hindu who hates Jews. I have no clue what you guys are talking about. And yes Mohammad was a pedophile. There is no doubt about that.
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SherePunjabi. Please show respect to other members on this forum. I am interested to find out your feelings among the Jews and Chrisitans you got a lot of slammings on the Hindus.
What?
Mosquewatch called him a 'moron'.
SherePunjab said nothing.
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My gripe is on Islam, I am very open about that I will not compromise to a cult that is hell bent on murdering everyone that is not a Muslim. I don't see that with Hindus or Sikhs as from what I know of them. But I think it is long over due we are all united Christian, Jew, Catholic(Which I am), Hindu, Sikhs and Buddist to a cult called Islam that is driven to expell us all. That is my opinion and as I said I will never compromise that. I never heard of Hindus threatening the entire globe to be destroyed.
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no disrespect.
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So it was a Hindu that hates Jews, big deal. BILLIONS OF MUSLIMS HATE JEWS WHAT IS YOUR AGENDA ?
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Watch this one, i'm tellin' ya.
You got a problem with me?
I personally think you are a moron.
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Don't ban him.
He seems cool.
I can't for the life of me understand why everyone is jumping down his throat.
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Threats to other members on this forum WILL NOT BE TOLERATED.
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Scriabin ,
I have a method I'm using here , let me use it. Please.
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SherePunjabi. Please show respect to other members on this forum. I am interested to find out your feelings among the Jews and Chrisitans you got a lot of slammings on the Hindus.
What?
Mosquewatch called him a 'moron'.
SherePunjab said nothing.
The Sikh guy slammed Hindus. We have at least one Hindu member and he's a good poster.
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THe moron attack I apologize for, it was wrong.
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So it was a Hindu that hates Jews, big deal. BILLIONS OF MUSLIMS HATE JEWS WHAT IS YOUR AGENDA ?
You should not associate with the hindus. That is the point i posted the video up.
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Threats to other members on this forum WILL NOT BE TOLERATED.
What are you talking about?
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So it was a Hindu that hates Jews, big deal. BILLIONS OF MUSLIMS HATE JEWS WHAT IS YOUR AGENDA ?
You should not associate with the hindus. That is the point i posted the video up.
DING DING DING DING, HERE WE GO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Don't ban him.
He seems cool.
I can't for the life of me understand why everyone is jumping down his throat.
I do not understand either.
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So it was a Hindu that hates Jews, big deal. BILLIONS OF MUSLIMS HATE JEWS WHAT IS YOUR AGENDA ?
You should not associate with the hindus. That is the point i posted the video up.
DING DING DING DING, HERE WE GO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
So what? Is a Sikh not allowed to hate Hindus? Could he not have a legitimate claim?
I think this is being blown way out of proportion, and I'm this close to locking this thread.
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THe moron attack I apologize for, it was wrong.
Did you think i was a muslim?
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Hindus don't killl around the world in the name of thier GOD. KICK THIS FOOL.
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#1) Hindus are good people. I don't agree with their religious beliefs but they are good people. I love the Hindus (and the Buddhists as well). These are peaceful people and you are breaking the rules of the forum by criticizing them.
#2) Xgamer is right. Sikhism: Indian religion combining Islamic and Hindu elements, founded in the Punjab (Pañjab) in the late 15th century AD by Nanak.
I'm sure this is why you are so anti-Hindu. Watch yourself, SherePunjab. I don't want to hear another word about the great Hindu people.
This is a warning.
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Let's hear what the guy has to say. If he hates muslims then he belongs here.
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the pc nazis on here wont let me talk about hindu extremism.
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the pc nazis on here wont let me talk about hindu extremism.
Chill out my friend. This forum is an anti muslim forum and our goal to all unite towards defeating Islam. To be honest I'm uneducated on the dispute between the hindus and the sikhs, all I know is that the Muslims tried to wipe you Sikhs out. If you want to you can send me a PM explaining what the Hindus did to your people; but the other mods don't want to anger the Hindus here who share our goal of defeating Islam.
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Hindus are not an enemy. If you got a gripe about a few thats fine but the Hindus are not out vowing a war on everyone. Islam is. And isn't India in between Pakistan and Bangladesh.. Originally part of India that was severed for Muslim Pigs? We must know our real enemy not make enemies out of just about anyone. Islam is devoted with pure hatred on the death of millions. I just don't see that with Hindus. If anything Hindus have been the victim of terror in India from the Paki Swine.
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This is absurd. What do any of us know about Hinduism?
Jeff, what do you know about Hinduism? How do you know what SherePunjab is saying isn't true?
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the pc nazis on here wont let me talk about hindu extremism.
I will not allow you to call members of the forum "nazis" like you have done in multiple threads. This is the most hideous and heinous insult you could possibly make. You cannot make your point in any other way?
I warned you privately... I warned you publicly... Obviously you cannot control your temper or your mouth.
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This is absurd. What do any of us know about Hinduism?
Jeff, what do you know about Hinduism? How do you know what SherePunjab is saying isn't true?
I know quite a bit about Hinduism, Scriabin. I do not agree with their beliefs (much like I do not agree with Christian beliefs) but it does not do JTF any favors to isolate our Hindu friends.
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This is absurd. What do any of us know about Hinduism?
Jeff, what do you know about Hinduism? How do you know what SherePunjab is saying isn't true?
I know quite a bit about Hinduism, Scriabin. I do not agree with their beliefs (much like I do not agree with Christian beliefs) but it does not do JTF any favors to isolate our Hindu friends.
So, you side with Hindus because they outnumber Sikhs...is this correct?
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I'm interested in hearing the man's point of view.
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With private messages like:
"Do you even know f**k all about hindu extremism or are you just saying these things to save your relationship with the hindus?"
And his wording on this post:
"The jews on here that are for this kind of human medical experimentations are no different than the nazis who killed 6 million of your own."
And being called a nazi... I have banned this user and I am shocked that no one person had any problem with this.
Just as I defend the Christians on this forum, I also defend the Hindus.
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I would give him a chance and unban him. He may have a point for all you know and you may be mistaken about Hinduism. Hear the man out and don't be so swift to judge him.
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I personally think he has some valid points even if he did get carried away. I think you've been a bit hasty here Jeff.
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Sorry, some of you folks are being a bit hard on Jeff. This poster did slam Hindus pretty hard. It's not necessary. Hindus have never been a problem to JTF or Jews. He was warned more than once, and do we want to drive away good Hindus like ArtGijo?
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IDK. I was trying to be fair and balanced here. But it seems this guy is off. Was he personally threatining members?
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Sorry, some of you folks are being a bit hard on Jeff. This poster did slam Hindus pretty hard. It's not necessary. Hindus have never been a problem to JTF or Jews. He was warned more than once, and do we want to drive away good Hindus like ArtGijo?
Hindus may not hav ever been a problem to JTF, but how do you know that there have not been large numbers of Hindus doing bad things? With no evidence you can make no judgement.
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Sorry, some of you folks are being a bit hard on Jeff. This poster did slam Hindus pretty hard. It's not necessary. Hindus have never been a problem to JTF or Jews. He was warned more than once, and do we want to drive away good Hindus like ArtGijo?
Hindus may not hav ever been a problem to JTF, but how do you know that there have not been large numbers of Hindus doing bad things? With no evidence you can make no judgement.
If this is so, Chaim would never support them.
There have been large numbers of christians doing bad things too, but we're not allowed to slam them, are we?
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Sorry, some of you folks are being a bit hard on Jeff. This poster did slam Hindus pretty hard. It's not necessary. Hindus have never been a problem to JTF or Jews. He was warned more than once, and do we want to drive away good Hindus like ArtGijo?
Hindus may not hav ever been a problem to JTF, but how do you know that there have not been large numbers of Hindus doing bad things? With no evidence you can make no judgement.
You're exactly right that with no evidence you can make no judgment. The Hindus don't have any burden to prove their absense of doing bad things. It's up to the person who claims they do bad things to show evidence and prove this is true. He who asserts an affirmative proposition must prove that proposition. The burden does not rest of proving a negative proposition. That's like saying you don't have any evidence the tooth fairy doesn't exist. Therefore, it might exist.
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I don't think that this guy should have been banned.
Alot of people say alot of wild things about people who might be our allies.
AngryChineseManiac is one of our funniest posters and yet I have seen some posters make fun of Chinese.
Those posters were not banned.
Why is it so important to not offend hindus but not Chinese?
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Sorry, some of you folks are being a bit hard on Jeff. This poster did slam Hindus pretty hard. It's not necessary. Hindus have never been a problem to JTF or Jews. He was warned more than once, and do we want to drive away good Hindus like ArtGijo?
Hindus may not hav ever been a problem to JTF, but how do you know that there have not been large numbers of Hindus doing bad things? With no evidence you can make no judgement.
If this is so, Chaim would never support them.
There have been large numbers of christians doing bad things too, but we're not allowed to slam them, are we?
We can slam the minorities who do the bad things. I will assist in doing so.
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We can slam the minorities who dot he bad things. I will assist in doing so.
I bet their sh*tting themselves now.
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We can slam the minorities who dot he bad things. I will assist in doing so.
I bet their sh*tting themselves now.
newman, why do you always purposely put false meanings into what I say?
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We can slam the minorities who dot he bad things. I will assist in doing so.
I bet their sh*tting themselves now.
newman, why do you always purposely put false meanings into what I say?
Can't a man have a hobby?
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We can slam the minorities who dot he bad things. I will assist in doing so.
I bet their sh*tting themselves now.
newman, why do you always purposely put false meanings into what I say?
Can't a man have a hobby?
Yeah, its called 'baiting people'.
I simply stopped engaging with Newman once he admitted to this.
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We can slam the minorities who dot he bad things. I will assist in doing so.
I bet their sh*tting themselves now.
newman, why do you always purposely put false meanings into what I say?
Can't a man have a hobby?
Yeah, its called 'baiting people'.
I simply stopped engaging with Newman once he admitted to this.
Party pooper
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We can slam the minorities who dot he bad things. I will assist in doing so.
I bet their sh*tting themselves now.
newman, why do you always purposely put false meanings into what I say?
Can't a man have a hobby?
Yeah, its called 'baiting people'.
I simply stopped engaging with Newman once he admitted to this.
You are so funny scriabin ! :D
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Instead of arguing, did all of you guys email Oreilly to get Chaim on:
[email protected]
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I am new and probably out of line, but it seemed to me the guy was heading down a very dangerous path, and was asked to turn back several times but he charged ahead. The word he chose to use was inappropriate in my opionion. He should have put is reasons in the PM like he was asked. Seems to me when the moderator of a forum ask you to explain in a PM the discussion should be over until you do just that, seems fair to me. I am not well versed on the relationship of Hindus and Sikhs nor do I know that much about their religion. After all I thought this was more about the Islamic threat to us all, fighting amongst are selves is doing their work for them. I am an atheist, religiously speaking I don't agree with many of you. But from the point of view of human morality I am with you 100 percent. I have seen close up what Islam does to the free people of the US and Israel. I was in Beirut, Lebanon with the Marines in 1982, I don't give a hoot about what some single Christian did to a single Jewish person or what one Jewish person might have done to a Christian person. The bottom line is as Ben Franklin so well put it ...... We must hang together or we will surely hang seperately. Just my 2 cents
thanks for listening.
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I am new and probably out of line, but it seemed to me the guy was heading down a very dangerous path, and was asked to turn back several times but he charged ahead. The word he chose to use was inappropriate in my opionion. He should have put is reasons in the PM like he was asked. Seems to me when the moderator of a forum ask you to explain in a PM the discussion should be over until you do just that, seems fair to me. I am not well versed on the relationship of Hindus and Sikhs nor do I know that much about their religion. After all I thought this was more about the Islamic threat to us all, fighting amongst are selves is doing their work for them. I am an atheist, religiously speaking I don't agree with many of you. But from the point of view of human morality I am with you 100 percent. I have seen close up what Islam does to the free people of the US and Israel. I was in Beirut, Lebanon with the Marines in 1982, I don't give a hoot about what some single Christian did to a single Jewish person or what one Jewish person might have done to a Christian person. The bottom line is as Ben Franklin so well put it ...... We must hang together or we will surely hang seperately. Just my 2 cents
thanks for listening.
That was pretty well dead on , Dave. I saw the whole thing.
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Newman, I agree with your overall philosophy here but I do not appreciate you baiting FTF. This infighting makes us a laughingstock to the people we are trying to save.
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Jeffguy, after reading what you posted I agree this guy needed to be banned. He should have been allowed to make a case as to why Hindu extremism is bad, but he did not do that. He just flamed everyone and called them Nazis.
As for Sikhs, they are a real mixed bag. The Babbar Khalsa was a big Sikh terrorist group that operated about twenty years ago and was allied with Muslims and was being backed by Pakistan. They did some pretty horrible things. At the same time, I do not believe all Sikhs stood for them--probably not even the majority. Thousands of Sikhs have also been victims of Muslim Nazi mass murder.
I say we treat them on a case-by-case basis if more of them join the forum. They are an odd group, but we can't forget that they are, at most, a misled group. The real enemies in south Asia are the Pakistani and Tamil Muslim Nazis.
Somebody should have asked this fool what he thinks of Pakistan and the LTTE before he was banned, but I have a feeling we would not have liked the answer considering how he went off on Jeffguy. ::)
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Jeffguy, after reading what you posted I agree this guy needed to be banned. He should have been allowed to make a case as to why Hindu extremism is bad, but he did not do that. He just flamed everyone and called them Nazis.
As for Sikhs, they are a real mixed bag. The Babbar Khalsa was a big Sikh terrorist group that operated about twenty years ago and was allied with Muslims and was being backed by Pakistan. They did some pretty horrible things. At the same time, I do not believe all Sikhs stood for them--probably not even the majority. Thousands of Sikhs have also been victims of Muslim Nazi mass murder.
I say we treat them on a case-by-case basis if more of them join the forum. They are an odd group, but we can't forget that they are, at most, a misled group. The real enemies in south Asia are the Pakistani and Tamil Muslim Nazis.
Somebody should have asked this fool what he thinks of Pakistan and the LTTE before he was banned, but I have a feeling we would not have liked the answer considering how he went off on Jeffguy. ::)
How was I supposed to talk about Hindu Extremism when I was warned by jeffguy that I can't talk about it? I have a strong feeling he didn't because he only wants to save the relationship between the JTF and Hindu Extremism no matter what they have done or how many genocidal crimes they have committed against the Sikhs and Christians. The big misconception going on by a lot of members here is that Hindu Extremism is the same as Hinduism. This is totally false, they are two totallty different religions. Hinduism teaches pacifism and PEACE (Yes I just said that) but Hindu Extremism preaches that all religions are inferior and should be ablolished with violence and force. They use the same ideology as Nazism. If there was a sizable jewish community living in India right now there would be doubt in my mind that they would have commited acts of genocide against them as well. The only reason they support the JTF is because of their strong hate for Islam which is understandable but that is the only reason. They see pretty much all religions as their enemies (their record shows) Sikhs and Hindus have been the best of freinds for centuries and we always protected and have made India strong (sikhs only make 2 percent of India's population but 70 percent of India's army.) This all changed in the 1980s when the the province of Punjab (where the majority of sikhs live) was being taken advantage of by the Extremist Hindu government at that time. This led to the Sikh people wanting their own nation which is Punjab state in India right now. The Sikhs were trying to peacefully negotiate with the extremist government for the independance of the Sikh state but they turned a deaf hear and instead took away some of our freedoms and rights when India was know as the "largest democracy in the world" because of the increasing popularity of a seperate sikh country amongst the sikh people. When popularity was at its highest the Hindu goverment felt threatened and did what Sikhs will never forget and that is attack the holiest shrine of the Sikhs known as the Golden Temple in Amritsar. It was known as Operation Bluestar. Babbar Khalsa (a sikh nationalist movement) may have done some horrible things out of revenge for this but that in no way compares to slaughter of hundred of innocent Sikh worshippers at our shrine. Killing every single child, woman, man, elder there was with no remorse. And some people on here think I am out of my mind when i say hindu extremists are a bunch of Nazis? Absolutely False. How would the Jews feel if they were praying at their wailing wall in Jerusalem and all of a sudden the Hamas military came and slaughtered all the innocent Jews who were worshipping there? Think about that. This is exactly how the sikhs feel. And this is the reason for our anti-hindu extremist hatred. I hope you all understand and that all ignorance is gone.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=BAWZidwGBpU
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I understand your feelings and think you shouldn't have been banned.
However, we are trying to form a movement and a coalition to resist Jihad.
Therefore, it is simply not helpful to import another conflict namely the Sikh-Hindu conflict, into our little forum, here.
Why don't we try to talk about issues and focus on our similarities?
Not settle old scores on our forum.
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I understand your feelings and think you shouldn't have been banned.
However, we are trying to form a movement and a coalition to resist Jihad.
Therefore, it is simply not helpful to import another conflict namely the Sikh-Hindu conflict, into our little forum, here.
Why don't we try to talk about issues and focus on our similarities?
Not settle old scores on our forum.
Yes you are right but I just wanted to let you people here know what the hindu extremists are all about.
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I understand your feelings and think you shouldn't have been banned.
However, we are trying to form a movement and a coalition to resist Jihad.
Therefore, it is simply not helpful to import another conflict namely the Sikh-Hindu conflict, into our little forum, here.
Why don't we try to talk about issues and focus on our similarities?
Not settle old scores on our forum.
Yes you are right but I just wanted to let you people here know what the hindu extremists are all about.
Come the day they make speeches and publicly attack Jews, we'll oppose them. We just see no evidence that they harbour animosity to Jews.
I am also lead to believe the only christians they attack are missionaries. Righteous Jews and gentiles attack missionaries too if they target us.
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SikhsUnited, you have another chance. We'll start over from square one.
Just please be careful to the Hindus that are not this way (like you did in your post). Most Hindus (not all) are peaceful people and there are a lot of Hindu Kahanists. I know we agree on this matter so I'm not going to beat a dead horse.
Welcome back to the forum.
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Come the day they make speeches and publicly attack Jews, we'll oppose them. We just see no evidence that they harbour animosity to Jews.
I am also lead to believe the only christians they attack are missionaries. Righteous Jews and gentiles attack missionaries too if they target us.
This is what you support?
http://youtube.com/watch?v=sla6aSVk8Mc
Hindu extremist sacrifice of a baby. You can hear them laughing in the background
http://youtube.com/watch?v=YxV9JY-qaic
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SikhsUnited, you have another chance. We'll start over from square one.
Just please be careful to the Hindus that are not this way (like you did in your post). Most Hindus (not all) are peaceful people and there are a lot of Hindu Kahanists. I know we agree on this matter so I'm not going to beat a dead horse.
Welcome back to the forum.
I will never attack Hindus because most of them are peaceful like you said. Only Hindu Extremism who's followers are creating nothing but chaos in India like their counterparts in Islam are doing around the world.
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Come the day they make speeches and publicly attack Jews, we'll oppose them. We just see no evidence that they harbour animosity to Jews.
I am also lead to believe the only christians they attack are missionaries. Righteous Jews and gentiles attack missionaries too if they target us.
This is what you support?
http://youtube.com/watch?v=sla6aSVk8Mc
Hindu extremist sacrifice of a baby. You can hear them laughing in the background
http://youtube.com/watch?v=YxV9JY-qaic
Of course we oppose the happenings in those videos. From what we have seen though it is a tiny minority of hindus who support these things, whereas with Islam it is a majority that support the evil actions.