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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: Vito on August 29, 2007, 12:08:14 AM
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I didn't know if all the fuss about him actually got him banned.. I'm curious.
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Yeh i think he was... which i fair enough because he came on a Nazi sympathizer anyone who does that should be banned
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German Satan was banned because he was a Nazi who went around spreading taqqiyah (i.e. that the Germans were "victims" of WWII also and that most Germans were not Nazis).
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A nazi ??? why?
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C.F .. I understand not wanting Nazis on the forum.. but you really overreacted about him. I've read what he said about politics in this country.. he's just misinformed. I was messaging him privately and explained quite a few things to him and opened up his eyes quite a bit. If he's a Christian, and supports the Zionist cause, there is absolutely no reason why he should have been banned, regardless of where he was from. Erica claims that black Nazi culture is not evil.. and she isn't banned.
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Vito, Chaim discussed this about two weeks ago. However, you might want to let him know that you've been exchanging private messages with him, and see what he has to say.
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Vito, Chaim discussed this about two weeks ago. However, you might want to let him know that you've been exchanging private messages with him, and see what he has to say.
Oooooooooh Lisa That was a good post. :)
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Oooooooooh Lisa That was a good post. Smiley
How do you mean, Mosquewatch?
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It was a good idea to solve the problem, that's all. ( if any ! )
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Vito, I disagree that Erica shouldn't be banned. I am probably the only person here who feels she should be.
German_Christ may have been a kid, but he knew exactly what he is doing. His private messages to you are more taqqiyah to deceive more Juden. Chaim and Kahaneloyalist are absolutely right and this piece of sewage should have been banned the instant he expressed his German "pride". >:(
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Vito, I disagree that Erica shouldn't be banned. I am probably the only person here who feels she should be.
German_Christ may have been a kid, but he knew exactly what he is doing. His private messages to you are more taqqiyah to deceive more Juden. Chaim and Kahaneloyalist are absolutely right and this piece of sewage should have been banned the instant he expressed his German "pride". >:(
What's your opinion of Dietrich Bonhoffer?
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I don't know too much about him. I hear he tried to assassinate Hitler, which makes him good. But I don't know that the things I have heard are true or if they are media/establishment efforts to make a German be a hero.
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Dietrich Bonhoffer was proud to be a German, and proud to be a Christian, he was horrified at what the Nazis were doing to his country, he was also horrified that the christian church wasn't stopping them, and so he set up a church called the confessing church, it was made up of true christians who opposed the nazis, as well as holding church services they worked to oppose the nazis, one of the main ways in which they did so was by helping Jerws to escape to toehr countries or hiding them if there was no way to get them out. Hitler made the confessing church illegal and many of it's members were sent to concentration camps or killed. Bonhoffer himself was arrested for helping three Jews escape to Switzerland, he was kept in a mixture of prisons and concentration camps untill after an attempt on Hitler's life by associates of his, he was then hanged.
Not all Germans are bad.
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FTF, 98% of Germans voted for the Nazi Party in 1932.
Enough said.
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FTF, 98% of Germans voted for the Nazi Party in 1932.
Enough said.
Get your facts right it was about 40%.
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I think you should ask Chaim that.
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I think you should ask Chaim that.
Any history book will tell you that.
Hitler then had to use some trickery to gain power, his 40 odd % was the biggest party so he was made chancellor, he then arranged the burning down of the Reichstag (german parliament), he blamed it on communists and demanded emergency powers to deal with the "coming communist uprising", with these emergency powers he got his biggest political opponents arrested and shot, he then held a meeting of the german parliament and demanded that they pass a constituanal amendment making him a dictator for one year, to force them to agree he used the emergency anti-communist powers to bring the SA (armed thugs) into the meeting with him, to "protect the politicians" with armed men everywhere threatening to shoot them if they didn't pass Hitler's bill the german reichstag members had no choice. Then in his one year position he arranged a new election with SA men watching the votes being made, so he got 100%.
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You're really not going to get very far on the JTF forum by reprinting a Bolshevist textbook lie.
The vast majority of Germans voted for the Nazi Party because they were looking for a party that finally practiced Jew-hatred and that would take care of "the Jewish question". I can't believe you actually believe this nonsense.
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Allow me tor repeat my previous statement about you, ftf.
You are such a troll.
I can't beleive Chaim lets you be a moderator.
There, that feels better.
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The majority of germans are Jew-hating, sheiser movie watching, nazi perverts. They'll never change.
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I'm not trolling or speaking lies, I'm telling the truth, from history books and sources from the time. Telling lies does not help our cause.
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Amen to that, Newman. They are more evil than the Muslims even.
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The Nazis voted him into power, he didn't seize power in a coup.
The German apologists keep pretending that he seized power in a coup.
He did not.
What infuriates me is that we have a MODERATOR on JTF who apologizes for the Germans.
That is beyond beleif.
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I'm not trolling or speaking lies, I'm telling the truth, from history books and sources from the time. Telling lies does not help our cause.
Ok, so stop telling them, troll.
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I hear you, completely. This is outrageous, Judeanoncapta.
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I think Jimmy should immediately contact Chaim and tell him that FTF has been defending the German nation. I cannot believe this.
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German Satan was banned because he was a Nazi who went around spreading taqqiyah (i.e. that the Germans were "victims" of WWII also and that most Germans were not Nazis).
He wasn't spreading taqqiyah C.F. don't be stupid... thats a muslim ideology about spreading deception... German Christ was ok for the most part.. he said that he supported Israel... he did speak his mind when he made wrong statements about most Germans wern't involved in the holocaust.... so i dont know how you can say he was trying to make people of JTF less hateful of the German people...
He was not using Teqqiyah in any shape or form
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I defend those who deserve defence, not every german supported Hitler, many of them did, I am no trying to defend those who supported Hitler, but the fact is that it was not 100%.
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Amen to that, Newman. They are more evil than the Muslims even.
They're almost as bad, not 'worse'. But that's still really bad.
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Guys, have you ever seen footage of German rallies in the 1930's. Those Germans went wild for Hitler. The women were screaming and crying as though they were at a rock concert. And they were holding up their babies for Hitler to kiss.
From what I learned of that period from my high school days (a long long time ago), Hitler's rise to power was completely legal. And he didn't pull over anything on the German people. He appealed to their pride, and to their resentment of the WWI sanctions, and their hatred of the JOOOS.
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I think Jimmy should immediately contact Chaim and tell him that FTF has been defending the German nation. I cannot believe this.
If I knew where Chaim lived, I'd yank him out of the shower to let him know what one of his "moderator"s is doing.
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Guys, have you ever seen footage of German rallies in the 1930's. Those Germans went wild for Hitler. The women were screaming and crying as though they were at a rock concert. And they were holding up their babies for Hitler to kiss.
From what I learned of that period from my high school days (a long long time ago), Hitler's rise to power was completely legal. And he didn't pull over anything on the German people. He appealed to their pride, and to their resentment of the WWI sanctions, and their hatred of the JOOOS.
Let's say that more than 98% supported Hitler....but in the last years of the war the support has became lower .
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Although i will say this:
I agree that German Christ was banned because he wasn't helping us at all and didn't know the first thing about what his people did 60 odd years ago
But he wasn't deliberately spreading lies to make people like the Germans
He was just ill informed, a bit ignorant and naive and refused to listen to the true facts about what really happened in that time of sadism
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Amen to that, Newman. They are more evil than the Muslims even.
They're almost as bad, not 'worse'. But that's still really bad.
I dont know if you can compare Nazi Germany to the Islamic faith... they hate the innocent for completely different reasons
Islam hates people because its what their religeon commands them to do whereas the Germans hated people out of being purely evil and for the most part brainwashed in what Hitler promised them
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I defend those who deserve defence, not every german supported Hitler, many of them did, I am no trying to defend those who supported Hitler, but the fact is that it was not 100%.
Were 100% of the Amelekites evil?
Were 100% of the Canaanites evil?
Jebusites?
Philistines?
Consult the book of Joshua for what needs to be done to evil nations as a whole, whether or not 100% of them are evil.
Consult Samuel 1 and Samuel 2, Joshua and Judges for what Jews are supposed to do to evil nations whether or not 100% of them are evil.
Your idea that a nation must be 100% evil to deserve destruction is NOT A BIBLICAL IDEA.
Read the four books that I mentioned and think before you make some ridiculous "They aren't 100% evil" argument.
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Regarding Hitler's rise to power, yes it was legal, he got 30-40% of the vote, he then made deals with the president, who could pass laws by decree in times of emergency, he created an emergency by burning down their parliament, then took advantage of that, and done.
Just to clarify a few things, if all germans are eternally darned then I am darned, tracing my family tree, you will find a German who came to the UK in the early 1900s, long before hitler, but he was still a german, the rest of that side of my family trewe is english, on the other side of my family tree you wwould find a mixture of Jews and germans, and one englishman. I would never try and defend the nazis, I have Jewsh ancestors who were murdered by them. But, not all Germans are nazis.
Lisa: I never said that the 30-40% that voted for the nazis didn't absolutely love them, only that it was only 30-40%.
judeanoncapta: Nazi germany did deserve destruction, and has been destroyed.
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judeanoncapta -
What about the Germans that saved Jews ?
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I defend those who deserve defence, not every german supported Hitler, many of them did, I am no trying to defend those who supported Hitler, but the fact is that it was not 100%.
Were 100% of the Amelekites evil?
Were 100% of the Canaanites evil?
Jebusites?
Philistines?
Consult the book of Joshua for what needs to be done to evil nations as a whole, whether or not 100% of them are evil.
Consult Samuel 1 and Samuel 2, Joshua and Judges for what Jews are supposed to do to evil nations whether or not 100% of them are evil.
Your idea that a nation must be 100% evil to deserve destruction is NOT A BIBLICAL IDEA.
Read the four books that I mentioned and think before you make some ridiculous "They aren't 100% evil" argument.
People who stand idly by while doing nothing to prevent evil is evil in its own right so almost all Germans were and still are evil to this day... even now they support the enemy of Israel by funding Syria...
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I defend those who deserve defence, not every german supported Hitler, many of them did, I am no trying to defend those who supported Hitler, but the fact is that it was not 100%.
Were 100% of the Amelekites evil?
Were 100% of the Canaanites evil?
Jebusites?
Philistines?
Consult the book of Joshua for what needs to be done to evil nations as a whole, whether or not 100% of them are evil.
Consult Samuel 1 and Samuel 2, Joshua and Judges for what Jews are supposed to do to evil nations whether or not 100% of them are evil.
Your idea that a nation must be 100% evil to deserve destruction is NOT A BIBLICAL IDEA.
Read the four books that I mentioned and think before you make some ridiculous "They aren't 100% evil" argument.
People who stand idly by while doing nothing to prevent evil is evil in its own right so almost all Germans were and still are evil to this day... even now they support the enemy of Israel by funding Syria...
I do see your point here, and I agree, a large proportion of the germans in the times of the nazis didn't like the nazis, but didn't want to oppose them because they were afraid, or just wanted to continue their lives.
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I defend those who deserve defence, not every german supported Hitler, many of them did, I am no trying to defend those who supported Hitler, but the fact is that it was not 100%.
Were 100% of the Amelekites evil?
Were 100% of the Canaanites evil?
Jebusites?
Philistines?
Consult the book of Joshua for what needs to be done to evil nations as a whole, whether or not 100% of them are evil.
Consult Samuel 1 and Samuel 2, Joshua and Judges for what Jews are supposed to do to evil nations whether or not 100% of them are evil.
Your idea that a nation must be 100% evil to deserve destruction is NOT A BIBLICAL IDEA.
Read the four books that I mentioned and think before you make some ridiculous "They aren't 100% evil" argument.
People who stand idly by while doing nothing to prevent evil is evil in its own right so almost all Germans were and still are evil to this day... even now they support the enemy of Israel by funding Syria...
I do see your point here, and I agree, a large proportion of the germans in the times of the nazis didn't like the nazis, but didn't want to oppose them because they were afraid, or just wanted to continue their lives.
So what your telling me is that they decided to support Hitler in fear of their life?
Is that not evil...
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I defend those who deserve defence, not every german supported Hitler, many of them did, I am no trying to defend those who supported Hitler, but the fact is that it was not 100%.
Were 100% of the Amelekites evil?
Were 100% of the Canaanites evil?
Jebusites?
Philistines?
Consult the book of Joshua for what needs to be done to evil nations as a whole, whether or not 100% of them are evil.
Consult Samuel 1 and Samuel 2, Joshua and Judges for what Jews are supposed to do to evil nations whether or not 100% of them are evil.
Your idea that a nation must be 100% evil to deserve destruction is NOT A BIBLICAL IDEA.
Read the four books that I mentioned and think before you make some ridiculous "They aren't 100% evil" argument.
People who stand idly by while doing nothing to prevent evil is evil in its own right so almost all Germans were and still are evil to this day... even now they support the enemy of Israel by funding Syria...
I do see your point here, and I agree, a large proportion of the germans in the times of the nazis didn't like the nazis, but didn't want to oppose them because they were afraid, or just wanted to continue their lives.
So what your telling me is that they decided to support Hitler in fear of their life?
Is that not evil...
It is, I wasn't saying that they weren't doing evil.
I made but two statements:
1. Not all germans were evil, giving the example of DietrichBonhoeffer.
2. At the elections, Hitler never got ever a majority of the vote, he got more voted than any other party but it was only about 30-40%.
That's all I was saying.
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Once again, Germany was for a long time a great nation. The Germanic race defeated even Rome, something that no one else did. They ruled Spain (Visigoths), France (Franks), Brittania (Angles, Saxons, Jutes), Italy (Lombards), and I could go on. The Germanics were the largest immigration wave to America and are the largest populated in the USA. Which is why Germany cannot be bashed. And before anyone says anything, I do not have any recent German ancestry. I say recent because just about all of Europe are descendents of the Germanic people.
Even the Celts such as the Irish, Scottish, Welsh, Cornish, and Bretons are partly descendents of Scandinavian Germanic peoples.
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Whatever the numbers were for the election back then, I still don't have much sympathy for the Germans of the time.
Remember, these were people who turned over their own disable family to the Nazis to be gassed to death -- solely for being "useless eaters."
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I defend those who deserve defence, not every german supported Hitler, many of them did, I am no trying to defend those who supported Hitler, but the fact is that it was not 100%.
Were 100% of the Amelekites evil?
Were 100% of the Canaanites evil?
Jebusites?
Philistines?
Consult the book of Joshua for what needs to be done to evil nations as a whole, whether or not 100% of them are evil.
Consult Samuel 1 and Samuel 2, Joshua and Judges for what Jews are supposed to do to evil nations whether or not 100% of them are evil.
Your idea that a nation must be 100% evil to deserve destruction is NOT A BIBLICAL IDEA.
Read the four books that I mentioned and think before you make some ridiculous "They aren't 100% evil" argument.
People who stand idly by while doing nothing to prevent evil is evil in its own right so almost all Germans were and still are evil to this day... even now they support the enemy of Israel by funding Syria...
I do see your point here, and I agree, a large proportion of the germans in the times of the nazis didn't like the nazis, but didn't want to oppose them because they were afraid, or just wanted to continue their lives.
So what your telling me is that they decided to support Hitler in fear of their life?
Is that not evil...
It is, I wasn't saying that they weren't doing evil.
I made but two statements:
1. Not all germans were evil, giving the example of DietrichBonhoeffer.
2. At the elections, Hitler never got ever a majority of the vote, he got more voted than any other party but it was only about 30-40%.
That's all I was saying.
First of all, people like Deitrich were a rarety in Nazi Germany so lets not whitewash the truth about ohh only 99.9% of germans were evil they are ok because of a few good people who were supporting jews in their plight against the claws of anti-semetism...
Most Germans at the time were going through tough times during the depression and Hitler promised 2 things
1. He would rid Germany of non German people.
2. He would restore Germany to its former grreatness before WW1.
Most evil Germans didn't support him in those elections because they didn't believe in him... they were indeed anti-simetic and later polls showed that almost all Germans supported Hitler during the war when he really was exterminating "inferior" people
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Read my post above ^
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Guys, I think this whole subject of how Hitler came to power would be an excellent question for Chaim for the next Ask JTF show.
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As I said:
Once again, Germany was for a long time a great nation. The Germanic race defeated even Rome, something that no one else did. They ruled Spain (Visigoths), France (Franks), Brittania (Angles, Saxons, Jutes), Italy (Lombards), and I could go on. The Germanics were the largest immigration wave to America and are the largest populated in the USA. Which is why Germany cannot be bashed. And before anyone says anything, I do not have any recent German ancestry. I say recent because just about all of Europe are descendents of the Germanic people.
Even the Celts such as the Irish, Scottish, Welsh, Cornish, and Bretons are partly descendents of Scandinavian Germanic peoples.
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Basically to bash Germans will bash all Europeans.
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You could well be right raiseyourfist, the only thing I know for sure about his support was that he didn't get a majority in any election. I only brought this up because C.F. said he got 98% vote, when every source you can find will tell you otherwise, if he had got a majority, why would he have paid some poor soul to burn down their parliament? (HE had the guy executed afterwards, hence the term poor soul)
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I'm not trolling or speaking lies, I'm telling the truth, from history books and sources from the time. Telling lies does not help our cause.
Ok, so stop telling them, troll.
Save the divisive stuff for private messages!
Fighting may be fun, but its bad for the cause.
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Hitler came to power because of a few things:
He did have a base of supporters, accurately said to be about 40% of the population. That is way too many, but there are still 60% of the people who did not. The other people were apathetic, and the depression and loss of wwII made people look for new alternatives. Too many people simply went with the flow, and didn't stand up. These people technically aren't supporters, but they are weak.
Another fact, but I'm not sure how important it is, is that Stalin, who had control of the communists at the time, did not allow German Communists to participate in the elections. They would have all voted for the social democrats.
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This discussion is going nowhere, and does not help us, if you have some issue with something I have said talk about it with me via pm, or if you feel that that is not adequate talk about it with an admin via pm, this topic is causing only argument, please let this topic die,
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Guys, remember, this is Chaim's forum, and if he wants German Christ banned, then that's his prerogative. If you think that was an error, then by all means, bring it up on the next Ask JTF show. And rather than arguing here, why not also ask Chaim about how much of the vote Hitler really did receive. It would make for a very good show.
But please, let's stop bickering and arguing.
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Let's stop bickering and arguing.
Got it?!
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The German people are more evil than Muslims for a simple reason: they are far more educated and enlightened (in fact, they are the nation that has produced more philosophers than any other) than the primitive savage Muzzies. The Muzzies, in their baseness, are so brainwashed by their devil-cult that they can barely think straight. The Germans know better.
The Germans, for much of the past century the most advanced nation in terms of scientific progress and Western education on the planet, have no such excuse.
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The German people are more evil than Muslims for a simple reason: they are far more educated and enlightened (in fact, they are the nation that has produced more philosophers than any other) than the primitive savage Muzzies. The Muzzies, in their baseness, are so brainwashed by their devil-cult that they can barely think straight. The Germans know better.
The Germans, for much of the past century the most advanced nation in terms of scientific progress and Western education on the planet, have no such excuse.
Good point.
Islam is a whole culture that STOPS it's followers from thinking. I've had more than one educator tell me how students from islamic backgrounds have great trouble with abstract concepts.
Krauts have NO trouble thinking on the other hand.