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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: ChabadKahanist on May 22, 2016, 11:16:59 PM
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This from Rabbi Yosef Yitzchak Korf:
I'd like to post publicly now that others have posted it clearly and seems to be factual. There's a character and charlatan by the name of "rabbi" Asher Meza who plans on doing conversions next month in NJ. He's not a rabbi and he's not a religious Jew. He's a charlatan and a snake-oil salesman. He's literally fooling naive and ignorant people into following him and going through these false conversions. Not one legitimate Beis Din anywhere will recognize him or his conversions as legitimate. These people are being hoodwinked.
I urge all rabbis and shluchim in the NJ area to protest this and to disseminate this lie and his false conversions. If anyone of your friends are a part of it or paying for it tell them to sue him and get their money back they're not getting what they paid for.
Furthermore. Give him no sanctuary or safe haven or welcome in any of your communities. He's a spiritual danger and hazard to you and your communities.
Please disseminate this quickly and as widely as possible. Let's put an end to this ignorant and wicked calumny upon our people. Uncover his mask for what he truly is. He's not a rabbi and it is actually very possible he's not a Jew altogether. He claims to have been converted. I've never seen his legitimate conversion papers. Furthermore he is alleged to be living with a second woman and has never divorced his first wife properly as far as I've been told. Leaving her out in the cold like the cold-hearted and evil individual he is.
Pass this on to all your communities and stay away from him. Rabbis in NJ confront him and make him as unwelcome as you can in no uncertain terms.
You were warned.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UzD1spy80lA
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He's got support from someone who may be an actual Rabbi named Saruk Eshel. His argument defending him was that there are other bad Rabbis, so we should accept a fake bad Rabbi, and that there is no Sanhedrin, so we can't say anything about his conversions without one, and of course I don't care about any bad person in the world since I'm going after Trasher Mecca currently and not them, which shows what type of person I am, and finally, there was an Orthodox that was pimping converts, so we should go around making Chilul Hashem to everyone and talking about that criminal, and let Pastor Trasher Mecca continue lying because there's worse.
I've never wanted to punch a Rabbi before. It was like talking to a Chumptard.
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Wow, looking though the Rabbi's page, it turns out he actually is a Chumptard. Not only does supporting that ghoul make you tolerant of filth, it makes you debate like a foaming retard liberal too.
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He's got support from someone who may be an actual Rabbi named Saruk Eshel. His argument defending him was that there are other bad Rabbis, so we should accept a fake bad Rabbi, and that there is no Sanhedrin, so we can't say anything about his conversions without one, and of course I don't care about any bad person in the world since I'm going after Trasher Mecca currently and not them, which shows what type of person I am, and finally, there was an Orthodox that was pimping converts, so we should go around making Chilul Hashem to everyone and talking about that criminal, and let Pastor Trasher Mecca continue lying because there's worse.
I've never wanted to punch a Rabbi before. It was like talking to a Chumptard.
Mifletzet can give you the low down on Saruk Eshel as well has his wife who was turned down 10 times by the bais din for giyur she did finally do a giyur but neither of them has respect for contemporary rabbinic authority & challenges every orthodox group from A-Z & says they are all no good & looks to bad mouth all except oddballs like Bar Hayim who happen to be a talmid chacham & Meza who has qustionable credentials as both a rabbi & probably also a Jew who the vast majority of religious Jews do not accept they rank on & hate on just about everybody else.
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He's got support from someone who may be an actual Rabbi named Saruk Eshel. His argument defending him was that there are other bad Rabbis, so we should accept a fake bad Rabbi, and that there is no Sanhedrin, so we can't say anything about his conversions without one, and of course I don't care about any bad person in the world since I'm going after Trasher Mecca currently and not them, which shows what type of person I am, and finally, there was an Orthodox that was pimping converts, so we should go around making Chilul Hashem to everyone and talking about that criminal, and let Pastor Trasher Mecca continue lying because there's worse.
I've never wanted to punch a Rabbi before. It was like talking to a Chumptard.
Hehehe it took me a few reads for trasher Mecca to click for me.
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Hehehe it took me a few reads for trasher Mecca to click for me.
:dance: :dance: :dance: :dance: :dance: :dance:
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How is this not Lashon Hara,
how about you ask me of any of this true first?
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How is this not Lashon Hara,
how about you ask me of any of this true first?
I think this video says it all:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CjWGtCVNr5A
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How is this not Lashon Hara,
how about you ask me of any of this true first?
It's not loshon hora to expose a maysis umadiach who misleads fellow Jews!!!
Rabbis Korf & Katz exposed you for the fraud & charlatan you truly are!!!
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Jorge the burden of proof is on you to prove who you are by A. Producing a legitimate Teudas Geirus & B.Producing a legitimate Teudas Smicha. C.Producing proof that any legitimate bais din or rabbinical organization accepts your conversions & what you are teaching.
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Oh look it's Trasher Mecca. Say fellow, what got you more support, attacking Israel, attacking halacha, or attacking conversion law?
What's the average rate of return after labor costs per "convert"?
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How is this not Lashon Hara,
how about you ask me of any of this true first?
After all the trash you talk on Chabad on other good religious Jews you should be the last to complain about loshon hora Senor Jorge!!!
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Would anyone like to debate these issues with me, on a recorded line.. so the the truth could be heard or are you just interested in peddling Motze Shemra
If so My Number is 7079687613
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Would anyone like to debate these issues with me, on a recorded line.. so the the truth could be heard or are you just interested in peddling Motze Shemra
If so My Number is 7079687613
Ugh this again. We did it on facebook a million times, and it was pathetic. Here's the debate for if you're a Rabbi: You're not, go get smicha (if any yeshiva will still let you in), and come back to us.
The only reason you have been left to make up things and scam fake converts is that you are irrelevant. Now you're annoying, so what should have been done is done.
You can respond, or you can go away. No one wants to give you a free lecture for you to lie to more people that know nothing about Judaism.
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A Warning to those considering following Asher Meza’s new movement.
Posted on August 19, 2013 by thelilianblog
http://www.torathmoshe.com/2012/07/our-total-non-affiliation-with-dor-deah/
Our Total Non-Affiliation with “Dor De`ah”
b’Shem HASHEM El `olam
To Whomever It May Concern:
The following statement is made with no intention to neither insult nor defame anyone, but purely in the defense of Torah truth. Moreover, we in no way infer any bad intentions on anyone’s part. Our protest is not against people, but against actions and statements made public.
Please be aware that, while we count Mr. Yosef Eliyah ben Avraham as a sincere, learned and well-intending friend and budding scholar, The Ohel Moshe Society (Beth Midrash Ohel Moshe) is in no way affiliated with the new organization “Dor De’ah”, which he has formed together with Mr. Asher Meza.
A SELF-DEFEATING NAME THAT INSTIGATES IRE
Calling an organization of so-called students of RaMBaM “Dor De`ah” reveals great ignorance. The term “Dor De`ah” was traditionally a negative term for the troublesome generation of Israelites who left Egypt, witnessed HaShem’s awesome miracles, and yet rejected the Land, only to die in the desert. “Dor De`ah” became a moniker used by kabbalistic zealots for those Yemenites who remained loyal to the original, ancient traditions of Yemenite Jewry before the works of the Ar”i came to Yemen.
It is a term that that has inspired bitter strife and division within the Yemenite community, even excommunication. In a generation when all Torah communities have so much to learn from one another, for many, this self-defeating name brings us back to a time that all Yemenite Jews have done their best to forget. For this reason, calling a RaMBaM-based Torah center “Dor De`ah” flies in the face of the path of our RaMBaM-Yemenite greats, namely HaRav HaGaon Mori Yosef Qapahh of blessed memory. It threatens to undo much of what his life work was about: “redifath shalom” – seeking peace, and through that, influencing the greater Torah world.
A MOCKERY OF AUTHENTIC HALAKHAH
While we thank and appreciate Mr. Yosef Eliyah for the zeal for Mishneh Torah and the other important Torah sources he shares with a wide and growing internet audience, we see it as a tragedy that he has joined a promoter and performer of mass conversions, one who routinely puts down normative Orthodoxy, insults the Noahide path –as if Noahides were no better than idolaters without conversion to Judaism– and shows ignorance in halakhah.
Mass Conversions… and by Converts
To promote and perform mass conversions, especially as a convert oneself (see below to “No Lack of Love for Converts Here”), even to officiate as a rabbi to begin with –all this in the name of the RaMBaM– is a cascade of halakhic error and a stumbling block:
1) Mishneh Torah forbids putting converts in any position of authority (M.T. Laws of Kings and Wars 1:5[4]. Whoever imagines that “seraroth” (positions of authority) couldn’t apply to officiating over conversion, must not have read the law, which reads plainly, “…even over an irrigation channel”. Is commanding the transformation of the souls of righteous, God-fearing human beings less of a charge than an irrigation ditch?
2) To claim loyalty to the authentic halakhah of RaMBaM on one hand, and to encourage non-Jews who are unable to access a proper Beth Din to convert themselves –that such conversion is fully kosher– is disingenuous. RaMBaM states unequivocally: “One who immerses by himself and converts by himself or even before two [witnesses] is not a convert.” (Laws of Forbidden Sexual Relations 13:6) What part of this law is unclear?
3) Mass conversion makes careful investigation of converts nearly impossible. The tragic phenomenon mentioned by RaMBaM and true to this day, is that most converts end up returning to their formers ways (about 95% according to surveys by the Israeli Rabbanuth). Not for nothing did RaMBaM speak of the influx of insincere converts as being “like the plague of leprosy” for the Jewish People. (Laws of Forbidden Sexual Relations 13:15[18])
Due to this tragic phenomenon and the fact that conversion is irreversible, RaMBaM (restating authentic Talmudic Law) devotes a string of laws to warning against accepting converts without proper investigation (Laws of Forbidden Sexual Relations 13:14-15[17-18]). This brings in a Trojan horse of insincere Jews among our ranks. Moreover, it creates a disaster in which innocent non-Jews, who could have enjoyed the Life of the World to Come under the much simpler, lighter Noahide covenant, are now cut off from the eternal life of the soul – now being obligated to keep Shabboth and the other severe obligations of the Torah. (14:3[2]) RaMBaM even relates how conversion was forbidden altogether in the days of King and David and Solomon. (13:12[15])
4) Aside from special, individual cases, efforts to convert non-Jews outside of Israel by a beth din hediototh (a non-official court of three observant Jewish men) –even with the converts’ full awareness that the conversion will not be recognized by the mainstream Orthodox world, much less by the Israeli rabbinate– are destined to create strife. If the effort succeeds, it can only give rise to a cult of that will remain cut off from the rest of the Torah world.
Disrespect for Torah Scholars
Despite the opinions we share with “Dor De`ah”, such as the importance of halakhah according to Mishneh Torah, we do not share nor condone their brazenly critical tone of ”Dor De`ah” against the greater Torah world. However we may protest the opinion of a Torah scholar, there is no permission to cast him as a “desecrator of Torah” We lament the blasting of such a critique to an audience overwhelmingly made up of non-Jews, converts and ba`ale teshuvah. If one wishes to express his private opinion as to how halakhah should be followed, he may do so. However, to tauntingly rebuke rabbis who hold even an errant opinion and to do so in public, inspires hhillul HaShem, hatred and cynicism of Torah scholars – one of the reasons for the destruction of the Holy Temple (Talmud Bavli tr. Shabboth 119b). In the end, we all lose: halakhic purists and followers of halakhic compromises alike.
Spreading Confusion and Derision at the Path of the Seven Laws
Based on Laws of Idolatry 10:9[6] and Laws of Kings and Wars 8:13[10], Mr. Meza understands that for RaMBaM, a Noahide is none other than a Ger Toshav (resident alien) – a status that will not exist again until the Jubilee (and Sanhedrin) is restored. Therefore, no option but conversion exists for a righteous non-Jew. He mocks rabbis who teach that we are to spread the Noahide Laws, showing an image of Pinnochio and his that keeps growing longer the more lies he tells. Besides stooping to such a disgraceful way to prove his point, Mr. Meza reveals himself to be terribly confused when elsewhere he speaks about “Bene Noahh” being permitted, if not obligated, to keep Shabboth. I thought there were no Noahides at this time in Mr. Meza’s universe?
If it were true that no option exists for non-Jews except conversion, this would mean that even the most sincere, God-centered Noahides are cut off from the Life of the World to Come (eternal life of the soul) until Geruth Toshav (resident alien status) can be restored, Heaven-forbid. While the sources quoted above refer to how Israel is to relate to non-Jews in the lands we conquer, nothing can take away from the simple fact that any non-Jew who accepts upon himself the Seven Laws is a “hhasid umoth ha`olam” –a pious one of the nations– with a place in the World to Come. (Laws of Kings and Wars 8:14[11])
Mishneh Torah was not meant to be studied in a bubble, but only after learning TaNaKh (M.T. Introduction point 42). Heaven forbid we should understand the halakhoth regarding non-Jews outside the context of Psalm 145 (verse 9), which Jews are bidden to recite thrice daily: “HaShem is good to all, and his compassion is over all his handiwork.” Are we to forget how Elisha` the prophet related to Na`aman, the heathen general of Aram, when he accepted the yoke of Heaven upon him as a righteous gentile without converting? Did he need to accept the 7 Laws before three Fellows * among the Sages of Israel – as required for a resident alien? Of course not: He remained in Aram, outside Israel’s jurisdiction.
Whoever would deny HaShem‘s love for Noahides even outside of Israelite sovereignty clearly speaks of a cruel God, not the God of the Torah.
NO LACK OF LOVE FOR CONVERTS HERE
Any claim that we are hereby committing the grave sin of hurting the righteous convert is disingenuous: First, the fact that Mr. Asher Meza and Mr. Yosef Eliyah are righteous converts is a publicized fact on the Internet, and therefore not rekhiluth (forbidden gossip). Moreover, none of what is written above is a personal attack on either one of them, but purely a response to widely-promoted work and false Torah teaching. One cannot accept or assume the position of rabbi, undertake to spew misleading Torah teachings that exhibit ignorance of halakhah, produce a growing number of converts and followers, and hide behind one’s rights as a convert.
Besides naturally-born Jews, Beth Midrash Ohel Moshe is home to a number of amazing converts, whose well-being and happiness we are continually preoccupied with. In all humility, it is safe to say that few, if any, Torah organizations have done more with their available resources and manpower to show love for the righteous convert.
Lastly, our own scholars are known for sharing the frustration with the current conversion crisis. Indeed, it is not uncommon to hear of amazingly sincere candidates being unfairly made to suffer through a dauntingly difficult path. Nonetheless, while a solution is yet to be found, mass conversions by novices in halakhah is not the answer. Meanwhile I continue to meet successful converts living happy lives in Israel, having been converted by normative rabbinical courts.
WHO WE ARE
While committed to RaMBaM’s Mishneh Torah, Beth Midrash Ohel Moshe is a normative, recognized Orthodox Torah community and outreach center, and an integral part of the local Yemenite community in Ramat Beit Shemesh. While we are dedicated to our pure halakhic path, we are equally dedicated to our role as members of the wider Torah community, and loyal citizens of Israel.
We wish our like-minded friends in Israel and abroad success in pursuing and growing in authentic Torah, and spreading its truth. Moreover, we pray that whoever accepts upon himself the great responsibility of spreading the poorly-known Torah of the RaMBaM in any official capacity, do so responsibly:
(1) Accurately, by inviting peer review and haskamot of noted hhakhamim (letters of approbation),
(2) with sensitivity, in a way that helps students to connect with the greater Torah world, and prepare him for life in Israel, our only true homeland,
(3) sagaciously and with love, with words that inspire unity with the greater Torah world, showing attachment to and sensitivity for the greater Torah world and our Land, and with great respect for the Torah giants of our generation.
CONCLUSION
We are a fractured and divided people. It takes no great skill to, through the verses of Mishneh Torah, pontificate to the ignorant about the ills of our society, to “increase mahhloqeth in Israel”, Heaven forbid. It is too easy to make quick judgments and spew barbs against poorly-understood policies of high-ranking Torah leaders (many of whom happen to know Mishneh Torah practically by heart), rather than undertaking to investigate what the rabbi truly said and why. It takes much greater skill to, through true Torah mastery and self mastery, humility and love, to emphasize the teachings that will strengthen the bonds that will unite us as a people.
With blessings from Beit Shemesh,
Michael Shelomo Bar-Ron, Beth Midrash Ohel Moshe
https://thelilianblog.wordpress.com/2013/08/19/a-warning-to-those-considering-following-asher-mezas-dor-deaah-movement/
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I feel really bad for all the people this charlatan fooled, and hope they find a good rabbi like from Jews for Judaism or Rav Katz who can help them actually do what Hashem wants.
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I feel really bad for all the people this charlatan fooled, and hope they find a good rabbi like from Jews for Judaism or Rav Katz who can help them actually do what Hashem wants.
Let's also not forget Rabbi Korf who is on a campaign to expose this charlatan for the fraud he is!!!!
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Let's also not forget Rabbi Korf who is on a campaign to expose this charlatan for the fraud he is!!!!
He have an internet way to find him?
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He have an internet way to find him?
Yes he is on facebook under Joseph Isaac Korf.
A real great guy & a man who only talks & teaches Torah truth!!!
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Yes he is on facebook under Joseph Isaac Korf.
A real great guy & a man who only talks & teaches Torah truth!!!
Big news coming soon on this topic.
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Not the big news, but here is his smicha, SERIOUSLY :::D
(https://fbcdn-photos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpa1/v/t34.0-0/p206x206/13293258_1114470348596342_1952218358_n.jpg?oh=b7bc7d75d0ead716e86addf12a375dcd&oe=5747DCA4&__gda__=1464348786_7befdb07117550d4eeb6dfc639620c90)
(https://fbcdn-photos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xlt1/v/t34.0-0/p206x206/13282285_1114470508596326_1606356811_n.jpg?oh=c502c3e1fde537c8598690dffc854f29&oe=5747057F&__gda__=1464348918_00cc5c0b299a85b9b79cd49e2352d7a9)
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Not the big news, but here is his smicha, SERIOUSLY :::D
(https://fbcdn-photos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpa1/v/t34.0-0/p206x206/13293258_1114470348596342_1952218358_n.jpg?oh=b7bc7d75d0ead716e86addf12a375dcd&oe=5747DCA4&__gda__=1464348786_7befdb07117550d4eeb6dfc639620c90)
(https://fbcdn-photos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xlt1/v/t34.0-0/p206x206/13282285_1114470508596326_1606356811_n.jpg?oh=c502c3e1fde537c8598690dffc854f29&oe=5747057F&__gda__=1464348918_00cc5c0b299a85b9b79cd49e2352d7a9)
As good as a roll of Charmin!!!!!
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As good as a roll of Charmin!!!!!
Pastor Trasher Mecca's smicha is best in thick double-ply because it leaves less little white pieces behind. :laugh:
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Not the big news, but here is his smicha, SERIOUSLY :::D
(https://fbcdn-photos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpa1/v/t34.0-0/p206x206/13293258_1114470348596342_1952218358_n.jpg?oh=b7bc7d75d0ead716e86addf12a375dcd&oe=5747DCA4&__gda__=1464348786_7befdb07117550d4eeb6dfc639620c90)
(https://fbcdn-photos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xlt1/v/t34.0-0/p206x206/13282285_1114470508596326_1606356811_n.jpg?oh=c502c3e1fde537c8598690dffc854f29&oe=5747057F&__gda__=1464348918_00cc5c0b299a85b9b79cd49e2352d7a9)
What do these documents mean in layman's terms?
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The whole controversy reminds me of one of the reasons given for the prohibition to write down the Oral Torah.
See:
http://judaism.stackexchange.com/questions/7870/why-was-torah-shebeal-peh-not-allowed-to-be-written (http://judaism.stackexchange.com/questions/7870/why-was-torah-shebeal-peh-not-allowed-to-be-written)
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What do these documents mean in layman's terms?
Well to give it all, turns out that Asher Meza is an actual convert from a Young Israel with Rabbi Lehrfield in North Miami, so someone explain me where the rules on being nice to him and stopping the spread of heresy conflict.
There are actually two smicha papers, so Rabbit Asher Meza is not only a Rabbit, he is a double Rabbit. :::D
The first is from someone named Jeff Seidel, who seems to like his picture taken with young attractive women and apparently is a bit off.
The second one is from someone named Kolakowski. People asked him what it was and he said he doesn't give smicha. Then more did and he said he gave him a letter so that he could teach kids for Bar Mitzvah and it was only based on this other fake smicha, so it's not a valid smicha because he gave him a fake smicha because he apparently didn't realize that his other fake smicha was fake.
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Quote from Israel Chai
Well to give it all, turns out that Asher Meza is an actual convert from a Young Israel with Rabbi Lehrfield in North Miami
You talked to the Conversion Court directly or seen some type of document from them?
Also never heard of Rabbi Lehrfield before, could anyone fill me in on his ideological beliefs?
In any case, regardless if the Meza's conversion was valid it still highlights the real problems that writing down the Oral Torah could lead to as brought down by:
http://judaism.stackexchange.com/questions/7870/why-was-torah-shebeal-peh-not-allowed-to-be-written.
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Quote from Israel ChaiYou talked to the Conversion Court directly or seen some type of document from them?
Also never heard of Rabbi Lehrfield before, could anyone fill me in on his ideological beliefs?
In any case, regardless if the Meza's conversion was valid it still highlights the real problems that writing down the Oral Torah could lead to as brought down by:
http://judaism.stackexchange.com/questions/7870/why-was-torah-shebeal-peh-not-allowed-to-be-written.
All I know about him: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gmzk-pBr_Sk
and Chabad Kahanist said this: I just got a reply from the president of the Broward & Palm Beach Vaad (ORB) & he said that neither the Broward/Palm Beach Vaad nor the Miami-Dade Vaad recognizes his conversions & the only 2 rabbis recognized in the whole state are Rabbi Edward Davis of the Young Israel of Hollywood & Fort Laudedale & Rabbi David Lehrfield of the Young Israel of Greater Miami.
He said any teuda coming from Meza has as much value as a roll of Charmin.
This on youtube:
But the kabala. Te question and acceptance where if he was going to accept all rabinic decress specially friom current rabaniem since they are the ones administring his giur not the sanhedrin, so if that is the case his giur is invalid and this man is just a rembelling goy
Davied Van der
Davied Van der3 years ago
Ps if he had this opinion when he was megayer that he only was going to accept rabinical decrees if they came down from the sanhedrin thwn his giur is invalid since that was asked by his giur by rabbi lehrfield if he will a epted. The halachot by our rabaniem (( not those living 2000 years ago
Davied Van der
Davied Van der3 years ago
I dont know what this guy is on, but when he was still a joint smoking hooligan (duffrence now maybe not smoking a joint) eitherway who is he to attack our frum woman and compare us with arabs, ps his sources are crum, yes we doint follwo an other religion even if they are right example why we do birkas cohaniem every tefila because the fake msyiach told us we should do it (correctly in order not to give creedence to avod zara we will not do the correct thing )
Davied Van der
Davied Van der3 years ago
Ps you dont believe in oral law since there is no beth din hagadol you are out of your mind
Davied Van der
Davied Van der3 years ago
Who the heck is this erev rav, his information is wrong in europe most marrieds did not cover their hair kal wechomer not children, besides what drugs is he on, to question the raboniem and to judge rabaniem, if he loves islam so much let him convert to islam sicking
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Quote from Israel ChaiYou talked to the Conversion Court directly or seen some type of document from them?
Also never heard of Rabbi Lehrfield before, could anyone fill me in on his ideological beliefs?
In any case, regardless if the Meza's conversion was valid it still highlights the real problems that writing down the Oral Torah could lead to as brought down by:
http://judaism.stackexchange.com/questions/7870/why-was-torah-shebeal-peh-not-allowed-to-be-written.
Rabbi Lehrfield is beyond reproach & his giyur & gitten are accepted by all.
As for Jorge it is questionable because to some he told Rabbi Lehrfield did the conversion & others he told Rabbi Davis did the conversion. So which is it? Why would he tell different people different things?
Rabbi Korf said neither rabbi wants anything do with Jorge.
Rabbi Korf is in a better position to give you more info because he lives near both rabbis & is friendly with both of them.
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http://jtf.org/forum/index.php/topic,83675.0.html
In the Torah section of the forum, I started a topic about a convert's soul.
I started to bring some sources, why it is not desirable to convert everyone to Judaism.
GeoAsher if you do some honest research into the subject you will discover this is also the view of the ancient Sanhedrin which you claim to abide by.
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Rabbi David Katz, of Modiin who wiped the floor with Jorge, speciality is not the usual Ger Tzedek - the full convert to Judaism, but the considerably more complicated issue of the Ger Toshav - the "Resident Sojourner", mentioned 46 times in the Torah.
R.Kahane has a whole chapter on the subject in his Or Harayon.
The Ger Toshav is a spiritually evolved Noahide, or a part biologically Jewish non-Jew, who is unable or unwilling to undergo full conversion and take on the yoke of full mitzvah observance, but who nevertheless believes in Hashem and wishes to reside amongst and formally affiliate and attach himself to the Jewish People, becoming what is referred to by the Sages as its "Fourth Family".
Last year the Israel Chief Rabbinate officially recognised the status of Ger Toshav for the first time in 2,500 years, and it is surprising that this solution of the Torah for resolving the problem of the Russian olim and many others around the world, is not being advertised and pursued.
It would have been better for Jorge-Meza to have become an outstanding Ger Toshav, than a failed fake Ger Tzedek!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kkhsEUBy-5U
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Rabbi David Katz, of Modiin who wiped the floor with Jorge, speciality is not the usual Ger Tzedek - the full convert to Judaism, but the considerably more complicated issue of the Ger Toshav - the "Resident Sojourner", mentioned 46 times in the Torah.
R.Kahane has a whole chapter on the subject in his Or Harayon.
The Ger Toshav is a spiritually evolved Noahide, or a part biologically Jewish non-Jew, who is unable or unwilling to undergo full conversion and take on the yoke of full mitzvah observance, but who nevertheless believes in Hashem and wishes to reside amongst and formally affiliate and attach himself to the Jewish People, becoming what is referred to by the Sages as its "Fourth Family".
Last year the Israel Chief Rabbinate officially recognised the status of Ger Toshav for the first time in 2,500 years, and it is surprising that this solution of the Torah for resolving the problem of the Russian olim and many others around the world, is not being advertised and pursued.
It would have been better for Jorge-Meza to have become an outstanding Ger Toshav, than a failed fake Ger Tzedek!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kkhsEUBy-5U
Rav Katz is totally boss love that guy.