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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: ChabadKahanist on December 26, 2020, 08:14:18 PM
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https://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/293787
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""Anyone who has been through the virus, easily or not, who has antibodies and may not need to be vaccinated - should listen to doctors"
Been through it, have antibodies, my dozens of doctors say they'd never take the vaccine and definitely my MD who does something called facia would stop treating me if I took it, not that I would.
""The vaccine we have, they have tested it. The health ministries around the world have supervised it, here in Israel as well. With the help of God they tested the issue well, so they can be trusted," Rabbi Yosef said during his weekly Torah lesson."
We've tested it and it's very harmful. So we can be trusted that you should for very sure not take it. The health ministries around the world have supervised it? That includes giving prostate cancer medicaton to little kids so they don't mature sexually. The health ministries supervised and said that's fine. Go ask them, chief.
"According to the halakha, everyone should be vaccinated, according to what the doctors say," he added."
Which halacha? Because you trust these people that can't be trusted on a thousand issues, and because without the vaccine you have a bone-chilling .2% (at massively inflated numbers) of death.
Oh I found the halacha. It's the one he mentionned that says you have to vote for Shas. Oh you don't have to vote for Shas, you say? Well just go ask, he's got great well-thought out answers and only speaks on topics where he has expertise.
In the meantime, there are vastly too many holes in this for it to be binding on anyone other than Jews who have him as their personal Rabbi. But he has happy loopholes, if it's tested bad, it is, then not to be trusted, and if your doctor says no don't, so I don't even think he was trying to make it binding, he's not a dumb guy when it comes to laws at all.
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Not everyone will get the vaccine. There are people who don't believe in vaccines to begin with, and those who won't get it because Trump pushed it though.
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""Anyone who has been through the virus, easily or not, who has antibodies and may not need to be vaccinated - should listen to doctors"
Been through it, have antibodies,
Congrats to you? How is this relevant to the question?
""The vaccine we have, they have tested it. The health ministries around the world have supervised it, here in Israel as well. With the help of God they tested the issue well, so they can be trusted," Rabbi Yosef said during his weekly Torah lesson."
We've tested it and it's very harmful.
Liar.
Your lies are malicious and will harm people. This data proves you wrong.
https://www.fda.gov/media/144245/download
https://www.fda.gov/media/144434/download
So we can be trusted that you should for very sure not take it. The health ministries around the world have supervised it? That includes giving prostate cancer medicaton to little kids so they don't mature sexually. The health ministries supervised and said that's fine. Go ask them, chief.
FDA has never approved puberty blockers. Rogue doctors who believe in trans agenda use existing drugs OFF LABEL to do this barbaric practice.
FDA has granted Emergency Use Authorization for Moderna and Pfizer Covid19 vaccines. You are once again spreading ignorance.
"According to the halakha, everyone should be vaccinated, according to what the doctors say," he added."
Which halacha?
The one decided by our great Rabbis not the one decided by Yashke believers with "baby part" fantasies.
Because you trust these people that can't be trusted on a thousand issues, and because without the vaccine you have a bone-chilling .2% (at massively inflated numbers) of death.
Death rate is more like 0.5% in aggregate for covid19 across all demographics but much higher in older demographics. 0.5% sounds like a "small number" but if we wiped out 0.5% of earth's population tomorrow, the suffering and death toll would hit all our communities, just as we learned from Covid so far with even smaller numbers.
But you ignore SERIOUS ILLNESS beyond just death, which impacts far more than 0.5% of people. Thanks but no thanks, I'll pass on getting hospitalized by this virus, being put on oxygen support or God forbid much worse getting intubated and mechanical breathing support.
It is rational to distribute safe and efficacious vaccines to protect people from death AND serious illness and put this terrible tragedy behind us all.
Oh I found the halacha. It's the one he mentionned that says you have to vote for Shas. Oh you don't have to vote for Shas, you say? Well just go ask, he's got great well-thought out answers and only speaks on topics where he has expertise.
Irrelevant tangent.
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Right away "death rate is more like .5%". Your source is nothing. At the WHO's inflated numbers from all the corrupt hospitals with twelve administrators per square inch it's .2%. That's regular flu numbers, and didn't justify a single mask and a suicide and economic ruin rate that you could fit all worldwide covid deaths into. We lose it yearly at it hits our communities. For all of time, recently it's been better because of increased personal hygiene, which has lessened on the salmonella front with a return to the medieval peasantry practice of reusable shopping bags. Those are killing more people than covid too, why can't we get back lots of plastic bags to save lives? Oh no tyranny there. How you gonna fill big work jails without absurd reasons to give fines?
I was responding to the Rabbi. It's not much of a congratulations, small colds don't kill me. Whoop.
The fda paper saying nothing there doesn't take into account the tons of people with adverse reactions so far and the ones we tested, so something there. If you show me a paper that says no evidence of beavers in Canada, I will thank you for your nonsense and smile compassionately.
The FDA is really tough. Watch what happens when you dare to eat or *shiver* move raw milk or almonds. To jail with you. The FDA seems to have spent all its energy though getting people who sell scripts under the table, and none left to say anything about that. I don't see big warnings from them. Oh they didn't officially approve drinking komodo dragon poison so if people give it so you can identify as a lizard then they'll just sit there do nothing and not officially support it while people die. Give me a break. They couldn't do more to support it and remain a legitimate organization. I'm sure you will be honored to hold hands with them all and say "an irradiated apple a day keeps the doctor away", but I'm not a freak-bag apologist.
Yeah intubated people die at vastly higher rates than people in similar conditions who just take it easy. A good rest helps the flu and I have superb results with lemon-ginger-garlic-honey tea, spicy soups, lots of water, and scalene nasal cleanses, and of course, as with virtually any viral infection, there is virtually no chance of meaningful growth if you sleep in a steam room. The immune coctail doctor that treated Trump is stellar too, not to mention you slow the spread down more with the UV light technology than HCQ, but of course the media managed to cover that for the morons with "Trump said bleach martini". Only ever really old people with comorbidities require anywhere near that level of help other than with one sixty year old thoracic surgeon I know. Just the panic alone from the tube, not to mention the damn tube massively aggravates the inflammation in the throat and kills you unless you were strong enough to handle it stronger in the first place.
If they were safe they wouldn't mind liability for it like with all the other vaccines. By effective you mean you need a couple shots and you can still infect people and if it mutates you need another one and that's just with what little research is out so far. JHU has proved this "terrible tragedy" has not measurably increased deaths compared to any other year from disease. They should point out the other deaths as a result, and child suicide is easy to see, but how do you measure the guys screaming at the health inspector last week about his business murdering in the process of stealing food for his family now, and the fathers that work for him beating their kids to death at home all day depressed with no money?
The covid lockdown is the worst tragedy since communism, and it's clearly only going to worsen sharply as the governments of the world "help".
Congrats to you? How is this relevant to the question?
Liar.
Your lies are malicious and will harm people. This data proves you wrong.
https://www.fda.gov/media/144245/download
https://www.fda.gov/media/144434/download
FDA has never approved puberty blockers. Rogue doctors who believe in trans agenda use existing drugs OFF LABEL to do this barbaric practice.
FDA has granted Emergency Use Authorization for Moderna and Pfizer Covid19 vaccines. You are once again spreading ignorance.
The one decided by our great Rabbis not the one decided by Yashke believers with "baby part" fantasies.
Death rate is more like 0.5% in aggregate for covid19 across all demographics but much higher in older demographics. 0.5% sounds like a "small number" but if we wiped out 0.5% of earth's population tomorrow, the suffering and death toll would hit all our communities, just as we learned from Covid so far with even smaller numbers.
But you ignore SERIOUS ILLNESS beyond just death, which impacts far more than 0.5% of people. Thanks but no thanks, I'll pass on getting hospitalized by this virus, being put on oxygen support or God forbid much worse getting intubated and mechanical breathing support.
It is rational to distribute safe and efficacious vaccines to protect people from death AND serious illness and put this terrible tragedy behind us all.
Irrelevant tangent.
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:usa+israel: :fist:
Besides what the Rav says is obligatory regarding the taking of
the vaccine, it would seem as though he has faith in the efficacy
as well as the ’safety’ of it.
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I got the vaccine. No microchips. Arm hurts a little..It'll be fine.
In the end, it's all in God's hands. Better protection when you get it than not get it since none of us are righteous to deserve miracles.
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I got the vaccine. No microchips. Arm hurts a little..It'll be fine.
In the end, it's all in God's hands. Better protection when you get it than not get it since none of us are righteous to deserve miracles.
There are no people claiming there are microchips in any vaccine anyone sane knows. We just know that me sticking a bunch of RNA into you will have an unknown effect, largely, and so will this. Good luck in your medical testing. Too bad you don't get paid for it anymore. I knew a guy that died after doing medical trials for years, but at least he had money to leave to an animal shelter or something.
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We just know that me sticking a bunch of RNA into you will have an unknown effect,
You do know that during a viral infection by an RNA virus that the virus causes your cells to not only produce and replicate all of the virus's RNA, but to also translate it, right? That is how additional cells become infected and the infection spreads throughout the body. Unlike in the case of an actual infection, in the case of these vaccines it's only a specific protein being coded for (not a whole virus) and the mRNA cannot replicate. So why would this be something to worry about? And especially for a guy like you who says even the full virus replicating inside us is just a cold and not a big deal? Where is your logic that getting infected by covid is no big deal and just a cold, but getting a fraction of its RNA and no real infection is somehow bad? You don't make any sense at all.
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If they were safe they wouldn't mind liability for it like with all the other vaccines.
I agree 100%. Rabbis are not immunologists and they have no relevant expertise in the field.
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336% increase in miscarriages in the UK for vaccinated women. This Rabbi managed to seriously undermine the credibility of his institution.
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Especially since I can cure corona without drugs and there are endless drugs with near perfect cure rates, the vaccine is entirely about money and power and not health. My family in Israel say the government wants them to get a shot every 6 months forever and if not they cant buy food. Luckily the Chassidic communities have a few safe havens.
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Well I can say with authority that Israeli politicians have authority over the words of the sephardic chief Rabbi, and so instantly loses authority over anyone. It also might be considered informing to tell him certain things, considering what his bosses do to good Jews.
https://gatesofvienna.net/2021/02/31-reasons-why-i-wont-take-the-vaccine/
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I got vaccinated (first dose 2 weeks ago, next dose in a week). In Serbia we have 4 vaccines to choose from - Pfizer, Sputnik V, Sinopharm and AstraZeneca. We will also have Moderna too.
I chose Sinopharm (Chinese) vaccine. The reason I chose that type is because it is a classic dead virus vaccine (made the same way as it was for decades), has basically no side effects (only a weak shoulder pain for two days), should protect against various strains of thevirus, and it should protect for at least 1 or 2 years. The bad side is that it develops anti bodies very slowlly.
The other vaccines available in Serrbia are made using new technology. I am not saying that is bad, it is good. They are more potent (develop imunity faster) and have higher efficacy. But they have side effects.
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336% increase in miscarriages in the UK for vaccinated women. This Rabbi managed to seriously undermine the credibility of his institution.
Fake numbers. Pushing your antivax and covid denial agenda as always.
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Especially since I can cure corona without drugs and there are endless drugs with near perfect cure rates, the vaccine is entirely about money and power and not health. My family in Israel say the government wants them to get a shot every 6 months forever and if not they cant buy food. Luckily the Chassidic communities have a few safe havens.
Cool word salad.
"Endless drugs" that are cures according to you, yet almost all of the 500,000 who died of Covid in the US were taking them.
You pushed this HCQ nonsense before, and that was all a fraud. You never admitted you were wrong and apologized here. Despicable behavior.
https://twitter.com/amymaxmen/status/1374515585548128256?s=20
https://twitter.com/MicrobiomDigest/status/1374502894762782724?s=20
https://forbetterscience.com/2021/03/23/didier-raoult-fraud-je-ne-regrette-rien/
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Cool word salad.
"Endless drugs" that are cures according to you, yet almost all of the 500,000 who died of Covid in the US were taking them.
You pushed this HCQ nonsense before, and that was all a fraud. You never admitted you were wrong and apologized here. Despicable behavior.
https://twitter.com/amymaxmen/status/1374515585548128256?s=20
https://twitter.com/MicrobiomDigest/status/1374502894762782724?s=20
https://forbetterscience.com/2021/03/23/didier-raoult-fraud-je-ne-regrette-rien/
No I admitted several times that faggy boy's hcq isnt 100% but was a great option early on. Havent mentionned it in a long time, and obviously recommended sleeping in a steam room if at all possible rather than that, as I do for virtually any viral infection. Since people like drugs, the only one I've been mentioning of late is the Israeli one.
Also check how many people died by further inflaming their ultra inflamed throats by sticking a tube down it. And how many didnt die from the corona.
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Only thing I should have admitted already is literally no one has proof that the vaccine is making super corona, and honestly there are way more things than that that worry me. I do obviously pray you are right there.
One where i was is the pregnant women miscarrying after vaccine. Don't tell me you're not following that.
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Couple thousand dead so far. All in all for old people its about as dangerous as corona. Young people have no reason to get it.
https://medicalkidnap.com/2021/03/26/cdc-2050-dead-following-covid-vaccines-as-300-deaths-added-this-week-16-deaths-from-new-jj-shot-producing-covid-symptoms/
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Couple thousand dead so far. All in all for old people its about as dangerous as corona. Young people have no reason to get it.
https://medicalkidnap.com/2021/03/26/cdc-2050-dead-following-covid-vaccines-as-300-deaths-added-this-week-16-deaths-from-new-jj-shot-producing-covid-symptoms/
You really need to stop believing BS and stop lying on this forum.
The vaccines are not killing people. There have been millions of people dosed with Moderna and Pfizer vaccines and they have proven very safe. There is plenty of reason for young people to get vaccinated against Covid.
Try reading this to understand the error you are making which is similar to that described here: https://badcovid19takes.substack.com/p/panic-porn-for-me-but-not-for-thee
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If you consider yourself to be an Orthodox Jew you must follow what the chief rabbis no matter what your opinion is. Otherwise you would be nothing more than a faker...it’s Halacha.
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You really need to stop believing BS and stop lying on this forum.
The vaccines are not killing people. There have been millions of people dosed with Moderna and Pfizer vaccines and they have proven very safe. There is plenty of reason for young people to get vaccinated against Covid.
Try reading this to understand the error you are making which is similar to that described here: https://badcovid19takes.substack.com/p/panic-porn-for-me-but-not-for-thee
And not lying. Sources abound. As for youth, the massive increase in miscarriages for those vaccinated is why they should not get it. 300%+ in the UK. Also the long term problem potential you know as much as me about, 20 years down the road.
Thousands dead out of millions is indeed safe in the dying regard, and for old people it's as much of a test of your strength as corona, if you cant deliver babies who cares either way, look tough. Also its only in the 2000s.
That being said you can sleep in a steam room, and then you will not have corona and your body will be able to beat it naturally now, so vaccines are nonsense and spending that money on steam rooms instead would also help reduce nasal congestion and its naughty spin offs.
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If you consider yourself to be an Orthodox Jew you must follow what the chief rabbis no matter what your opinion is. Otherwise you would be nothing more than a faker...it’s Halacha.
Nonsense and he degrades his name for that. A 16 year old with a first aid cert can overrule him in any medical opinion. I have a relative with cancer in Israel and her kids are doctors who deal with her cancer, and they both told her not to get the vaccine in Israel because it makes the type of cancer she has worse. The secretary in the doctor's office can overrule him here but yet his face opens like he has an ounce of authority. He might as well tell us we have to buy Volvos because they're safe.
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The top 8 rabbis of the world all have ruled to get the covid vaccination. Doesn’t matter, unless it’s a personal life risk, eg allergic reaction, that you must follow their decree. All opinions out the door, buddy.
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The top 8 rabbis of the world all have ruled to get the covid vaccination. Doesn’t matter, unless it’s a personal life risk, eg allergic reaction, that you must follow their decree. All opinions out the door, buddy.
The top 100 can rule to buy a volvo and if your chiro or physio says get another for your back then it can be 1000 and not matter, it is not their area of authority. Plenty of Rabbis that are still Rabbis because no one has any authority to declare refusal to get their experimental vaccine to be against Torah. They literally at best can present their opinion that you should get it, which makes it an opinion.
Pay attention to point 23 about Torah in the following. There is crime and punishment in Torah. No Rabbi has declared this to be crime and to be locked inside forever to be fitting punishment for not using an experimental pharmaceutical product. Wouldn't be a Rabbi anymore. Let those same Rabbis come out and speak against homosexuality before I believe their rulings anymore than those in Europe that Catholics aren't idolaters or those in the Middle East that Muslims aren't idolaters, and for the same reason. Especially since the same and plenty more Rabbis invite me secretly past the lockdown and everyone religious takes their masks off when the ones you can't trust leave.
http://republicbroadcasting.org/news/31-reasons-why-i-wont-take-the-vaccine/
1. It’s not a vaccine. A vaccine by definition provides immunity to a disease. This does not provide immunity to anything. In a best-case scenario, it merely reduces the chance of getting a severe case of a virus if one catches it. Hence, it is a medical treatment, not a vaccine. I do not want to take a medical treatment for an illness I do not have.
2. The drug companies, politicians, medical establishment, and media have joined forces to universally refer to this as a vaccine when it is not one, with the intention of manipulating people into feeling safer about undergoing a medical treatment. Because they are being deceitful, I do not trust them, and want nothing to do with their medical treatment.
3. The presumed benefits of this medical treatment are minimal and would not last long in any case. The establishment acknowledges this, and is already talking about additional shots and ever-increasing numbers of new “vaccines” that would be required on a regular basis. I refuse to turn myself into a chronic patient who receives injections of new pharmaceutical products on a regular basis simply to reduce my chances of getting a severe case of a virus that these injections do not even prevent.
4. I can reduce my chances of getting a severe case of a virus by strengthening my immune system naturally. In the event I catch a virus, there are vitamins and well-established drugs that have had wonderful results in warding off the illness, without the risks and unknowns of this medical treatment.
5. The establishment insists that this medical treatment is safe. They cannot possibly know this because the long-term effects are entirely unknown, and will not be known for many years. They may speculate that it is safe, but it is disingenuous for them to make such a claim that cannot possibly be known. Because they are being disingenuous, I do not trust them, and I want no part of their treatment.
6. The drug companies have zero liability if anything goes wrong, and cannot be sued. Same for the politicians who are pushing this treatment. I will not inject myself with a new, experimental medical device when the people behind it accept no liability or responsibility if something goes wrong. I will not risk my health and my life when they refuse to risk anything.
7. Israel’s Prime Minister has openly admitted that the Israeli people are the world’s laboratory for this experimental treatment. I am not interested in being a guinea pig or donating my body to science.
8. Israel agreed to share medical data of its citizens with a foreign drug company as a fundamental part of their agreement to receive this treatment.I never consented for my personal medical data to be shared with any such entity, nor was I even asked. I will not contribute to this sleazy enterprise.
9. The executives and board members at Pfizer are on record that they have not taken their own treatment, despite all the fanfare and assurances. They are claiming that they would consider it unfair to “cut the line”. This is a preposterous excuse, and it takes an unbelievable amount of chutzpah to even say such a thing. Such a “line” is a figment of their own imagination; if they hogged a couple of injections for themselves no one would cry foul. In addition, billionaires with private jets and private islands are not known for waiting in line until hundreds of millions of peasants all over the world go first to receive anything these billionaires want for themselves.
10. The establishment media have accepted this preposterous excuse without question or concern. Moreover, they laud Pfizer’s executives for their supposed self-sacrifice in not taking their own experimental treatment until we go first. Since they consider us such fools, I do not trust them, and do not want their new treatment. They can have my place in line. I’ll go to the very back of the line.
11. Three facts that must be put together:
Bill Gates is touting these vaccines as essential to the survival of the human race.
Bill Gates believes the world has too many people and needs to be “depopulated”.
Bill Gates, perhaps the richest man in the world, has also not been injected. No rush.
Uh, no. I’ll pass on any medical treatments he wants me to take.
12. The establishment has been entirely one-sided in celebrating this treatment.The politicians and media are urging people to take it as both a moral and civic duty. The benefits of the treatment are being greatly exaggerated, the risks are being ignored, and the unknowns are being brushed aside. Because they are being deceitful and manipulative, I will not gamble my personal wellbeing on their integrity.
13. There is an intense propaganda campaign for people to take this treatment.Politicians and celebrities are taking selfies of themselves getting injected (perhaps in some cases pretending to get injected), the media is hyping this as the coolest, smartest, most happy and fun thing to do. It is the most widespread marketing campaign in history. This is not at all appropriate for any medical treatment, let alone a brand new one, and it makes me recoil.
14. The masses are following in tow, posting pictures of themselves getting injected with a drug, feeding the mass peer pressure to do the same. There is something very alarming and sick about this, and I want no part of it. I never took drugs just because “everyone’s doing it” and it’s cool. I’m certainly not going to start now.
15. Those who raise concerns about this medical treatment are being bullied, slandered, mocked, censored, ostracized, threatened, and fired from their jobs. This includes medical professionals who have science-based concerns about the drug and caregivers who have witnessed people under their charge suffering horrible reactions and death shortly after being injected. When the establishment is purging good people who risk everything simply to raise concerns about a new medical treatment — even if they don’t outright oppose it — I will trust these brave people over the establishment every time. I cannot think of a single similar case in history when truth and morality turned out to be on the side of the establishment.
16. This is the greatest medical experiment in the history of the human race.
17. It is purposely not being portrayed as the greatest medical experiment in the history of the human race, and the fact that it is a medical experiment at all is being severely downplayed.
18. Were they up front with the masses, very few would agree to participate in such an experiment. Manipulating the masses to participate in a medical experiment under false pretenses violates the foundations of medical ethics and democratic law. I will not allow unethical people who engage in such conduct to inject me with anything.
19. The medical establishment is not informing people about any of this. They have become marketing agents for an experimental drug, serving huge companies and politicians who have made deals with them. This is a direct conflict with their mandate to concern themselves exclusively with the wellbeing of the people under their care. Since the medical establishment has become corrupted, and has become nothing more than a corporate and political tool, I do not trust the experimental drug they want so badly to inject me with.
20. We are being pressured in various ways to get injected, which violates medical ethics and the foundations of democratic society. The best way to get me not to do something is to pressure me to do it.
21. The government has sealed their protocol related to the virus and treatments for THIRTY YEARS. This is information that the public has a right to know, and the government has a responsibility to share. What are they covering up? Do they really expect me to believe that everything is kosher about all this, and that they are concerned first and foremost with my health? The last time they did this was with the Yemenite Children Affair. If you’re not familiar with it, look it up. Now they’re pulling the same shtick. They didn’t fool me the first time, and they’re definitely not fooling me now.
22. The government can share our personal medical data with foreign corporations, but they won’t share their own protocol on the matter with us? I’m out.
23. The establishment has recruited doctors, rabbis, the media, and the masses to harangue people who don’t want to get injected with a new drug. We are being called the worst sort of names. We are being told that we believe in crazy conspiracies, that we are against science, that we are selfish, that we are murderers, that we don’t care about the elderly, that it’s our fault that the government continues to impose draconian restrictions on the public. It’s all because we don’t want to get injected with an experimental treatment, no questions asked. We are even being told that we have a religious obligation to do this, and that we are grave sinners if we do not. They say that if we do not agree to get injected, we should be forced to stay inside our homes forever and be ostracized from public life.
This is horrific, disgusting, a perversion of common sense, morality, and the Torah. It makes me recoil, and only further cements my distrust of these people and my opposition to taking their experimental drug. How dare they?
24. I know of many people who got injected, but none of them studied the science in depth, carefully weighed the potential benefits against the risks, compared this option to other alternatives, was truly informed, and decided this medical treatment was the best option for them. On the contrary, they got injected because of the hype, the propaganda, the pressure, the fear, blind trust in what “the majority of experts” supposedly believed (assuming THEY all studied everything in depth and were completely objective, which is highly dubious), blind trust in what certain influential rabbis urged them to do (ditto the above), or hysterical fear that the only option was getting injected or getting seriously ill from the virus. When I see mass hysteria and cult-like behavior surrounding a medical treatment, I will be extremely suspicious and avoid it.
25. The drug companies have a long and glorious history of causing mass carnage with wonder drugs they thrust on unsuspecting populations, even after serious problems had already become known. Instead of pressing the pause button and halting the marketing of these drugs until these issues could be properly investigated, the drug companies did everything in their power to suppress the information and keep pushing their products. When companies and people have demonstrated such gross lack of concern for human life, I will not trust them when they hype a new wonder drug. This isn’t our first rodeo.
26. Indeed, the horror stories are already coming in at warp speed, but the politicians are not the least bit concerned, the medical establishment is brushing them aside as unrelated or negligible, the media is ignoring it, the drug companies are steaming ahead at full speed, and those who raise a red flag continue to be bullied, censored, and punished. Clearly my life and my wellbeing are not their primary concern. I will not be their next guinea pig in their laboratory. I will not risk being the next “coincidence”.
27. Although many people have died shortly after getting injected — including perfectly healthy young people — we are not allowed to imply that the injection had anything to do with it. Somehow this is anti-science and will cause more people to die. I believe that denying any possible link, abusing people who speculate that there might be a link, and demonstrating not the slightest curiosity to even explore if there might be a link is what is anti-science and could very well cause more people to die. These same people believe I am obligated to get injected as well. No freaking thanks.
28. I am repulsed by the religious, cult-like worship of a pharmaceutical product, and will not participate in this ritual.
29. My “healthcare” provider keeps badgering me to get injected, yet they have provided me no information on this treatment or any possible alternatives.Everything I know I learned from others outside the establishment. Informed consent has become conformed consent. I decline.
30. I see all the lies, corruption, propaganda, manipulation, censorship, bullying, violation of medical ethics, lack of integrity in the scientific process, suppression of inconvenient adverse reactions, dismissal of legitimate concerns, hysteria, cult-like behavior, ignorance, closed-mindedness, fear, medical and political tyranny, concealment of protocols, lack of true concern for human life, lack of respect for basic human rights and freedoms, perversion of the Torah and common sense, demonization of good people, the greatest medical experiment of all time being conducted by greedy, untrustworthy, godless people, the lack of liability for those who demand I risk everything… I see all this and I have decided they can all have my place in line. I will put my trust in God. I will use the mind He blessed me with and trust my natural instincts.
Which leads to the final reason which sums up why I will not get “vaccinated.”
31. The Whole thing Stinks.
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Also there's a major morality issue with it. Would a Rabbi volunteer his baby to be "aborted" to be used for vaccines?
(Also do we have any Jewish anti abortion news sites out there?)
https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/vaccines-using-fetal-tissue-12-faulty-assumptions?utm_source=top_news&utm_campaign=standard
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People who have cancer, especially if they are under radiation and/or chemotherapy (the immune system is compromised), are at the very increased risk of death if they contract Covid-19.
Also, it is fake news that any vaccines contain fetus cells. https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-covid-vaccine-ingredients-idUSKBN2AQ2SW
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Your opinions and Megillah are nothing compared to a hacham top rabbi. Get over yourself.
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People who have cancer, especially if they are under radiation and/or chemotherapy (the immune system is compromised), are at the very increased risk of death if they contract Covid-19.
Also, it is fake news that any vaccines contain fetus cells. https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-covid-vaccine-ingredients-idUSKBN2AQ2SW
Reuters is fake news and there is ample evidence. Some used babies in it some used babies to test it to make it.
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People who have cancer, especially if they are under radiation and/or chemotherapy (the immune system is compromised), are at the very increased risk of death if they contract Covid-19.
Also, it is fake news that any vaccines contain fetus cells. https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-covid-vaccine-ingredients-idUSKBN2AQ2SW
People who have cancer have a high risk of death from literally everything, especially chemo.
Your opinions and Megillah are nothing compared to a hacham top rabbi. Get over yourself.
Get a volvo or buy their vaccine is an opinion. That Rabbis have virtually no jurisdiction in the medical sphere is fact.
Rav Kahane said it is obscene to call one Rabbi a lion and another a lamb, they are a Rabbi or they aren't. I know plenty of Rabbis from Chabad to modern orthodox that speak against their commie vaccine and I would not change my opinion for them in the first place. It would be like Rabbis saying eggs are banned to protect cholesterol, you must saves lives, eating eggs encourages others. He has permission to say that opinion but like with the vaccine, he can make no rule or punishment.
I barely begun to present my opinion on what they are doing, which is not something that matters in this debate. The facts are halacha gives your 16 year old with a first aid cert authority to overrule Moshe Rabbeinu in anything regarding your health. As such stepping into this turf for the very first time in Jewish history, I'm just waiting for the top 10 Rabbi catalogue where we get a list of products we must buy every month.
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Reuters is fake news and there is ample evidence. Some used babies in it some used babies to test it to make it.
That was just the first link that came up. There are other sources, like:
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https://factcheckni.org/articles/covid-19-vaccines-and-aborted-fetuses/
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I once saw a fact checking site that had something on it that wasnt fake news next to fake news.
This would be considered a legitimate source.
https://www.nebraskamed.com/COVID/you-asked-we-answered-do-the-covid-19-vaccines-contain-aborted-fetal-cells
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Lol i hate that people do consider them as such. More like apologists:
"None of the COVID-19 vaccines in development use fetal cells taken from recent abortions. "
We killed the baby and waited before using it. And played with the cells for a while. We're moral.
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If I wasn't on proving it way more interesting is if a Cohen can take a dead baby vaccine.
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Lol new aborted cells in every vaccine. They have to mod them before they do anything anyways. Because you have to play with thw dead baby before you use it its moral.
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Here you have a list of COVID-19 vaccines and the cells that each of them use: https://lozierinstitute.org/update-covid-19-vaccine-candidates-and-abortion-derived-cell-lines/
You can see that a lot of them use monkey cells.
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Here you have a list of COVID-19 vaccines and the cells that each of them use: https://lozierinstitute.org/update-covid-19-vaccine-candidates-and-abortion-derived-cell-lines/
You can see that a lot of them use monkey cells.
Not all of them use them. Either way makes you weaker, lava rocks water pouring on them in a sauna room, sleep there a night ypu beat corona and are stronger.
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If we had immedialtely installed steam rooms all over North America as I suggested it would have solved this and several existing health crises in a week, like acne from pollution air.
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You know I keep only wanting to share my medical opinions and those given to me personally, but its ego if I do that and not the actually good info i have so there
https://www.liveleak.com/view?t=aARTE_1617981560
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Well baruch Hashem they halted the Johnson and Johnson murder shot because the blood clots kept killing people. Oh what no 10 top Rabbi letter? Not even a tweet? You got involved in what we should do with our medical decisions, we need up to date information. We need hour by hour rulings on which shot won't probably kill us we must take now, you wanted to expand the Rabbinic field ao there you go, are you going to firther desecrate His name and say Hashem would prefer you buy moderna?
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I had no right to say all that against the Rabbis, since I know in the first place what it ammounts to, but I seriously doubt anyone will understand me making fun of his opinion.
Rabbis simply do not have authority in the medical realm. Rabbis can present their opinions on any topic. Their ruling essentially amounts to a prohibition on banning the vaccine. The government wanted them it to say you have to buy, and they knew very well they would more than Rav Ovadia knew what his ruling would clearly be used for. You can still get an aliyah to Torah if you didn't get a covid shot after your bris, the Rabbis did not declare this on all Jews for eternity because they don't have any authority to do so, they essentially declared it to be good to get it, which is still a major issue because it isn't, but it's not like you make even a remote sin if you dont buy the experimental vaccine, or if they rule you have to buy vitamin c during a cold and you dont. I would be happy if they said its a great idea for those with co morbidities who will no longer procreate.
Anyways, environmentalists are trying to hijack a study that clearly shows putting your kids faces in carbon bags is making them retards for life, so understand between the lines here and spare the children.
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-021-83577-3
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As will be in no way shocking to anyone who knows how the Nazis have run the pharma business for the last decades, every day shows massive new problems with their vaccine. Now inflammation and degenerative brain disease.
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As will be in no way shocking to anyone who knows how the Nazis have run the pharma business for the last decades, every day shows massive new problems with their vaccine. Now inflammation and degenerative brain disease.
All your comments on this issue are incredibly dumb.
DVT and CVST have been a problem with the adenoviral vector vaccines (Astrazeneca and JNJ) even since they've been in trials. The incidence is rare. That's in addition to being inferior in efficacy compared to others. For people below 50, it's better to get a better vaccine that is safer and more efficacious. People over 50 are at astronomically higher risk from Covid than the risk of getting this side effect. If there are no other vaccines available, old people should not be concerned with this. If others are available, they too can get an mRNA vaccine instead. It's clear that this safety problem is not an issue for the mRNA based Covid vaccines. Calling it scary words like "degenerative brain disease" doesn't help your already lacking credibility.
There is a reason multiple approaches were tried by multiple companies. The best products (safest and most efficacy, best risk/benefit profile) should be emphasized and the lesser ones should be de-emphasized. Let the best product win. It is good that this was noticed early and people are being alerted to the issue.
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Well baruch Hashem they halted the Johnson and Johnson murder shot because the blood clots kept killing people. Oh what no 10 top Rabbi letter? Not even a tweet? You got involved in what we should do with our medical decisions, we need up to date information. We need hour by hour rulings on which shot won't probably kill us we must take now, you wanted to expand the Rabbinic field ao there you go, are you going to firther desecrate His name and say Hashem would prefer you buy moderna?
"Kept" killing people? There were 6 known cases since this product entered the market in the US. It was stopped after 6 cases. There are possibly 2 people who may have died from this.
There were 500,000 people in the US killed by Covid which you continue to say is not meaningful or relevant. But yet 6 people with a side effect out of 6 million dosed, IS relevant to you? How schizophrenic. And illogical.
That the dosing was paused over such a small number shows that the AE surveillance is working, and this problem didn't happen with the first 2 vaccines that entered the market. Many more millions have been dosed with the Pfizer and Moderna products without this issue. These products are clearly superior and should be the preferred option.
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Reuters is fake news and there is ample evidence. Some used babies in it some used babies to test it to make it.
Good gracious, you are either an imbecile or a bald-faced liar. Which is it?
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Good gracious, you are either an imbecile or a bald-faced liar. Which is it?
Every time you say 500k dead from covid my etiquette stops me from asking the same question.
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Lol new aborted cells in every vaccine. They have to mod them before they do anything anyways. Because you have to play with thw dead baby before you use it its moral.
What in the world are you talking about? Do you realize how crazy this sounds? It's completely disconnected from reality.
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Every time you say 500k dead from covid my etiquette stops me from asking the same question.
You don't do reality very well, do you?
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/
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Are you aware of how many blood clots were caused by Covid infection? Certainly much higher than 1 per million.
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You don't do reality very well, do you?
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/
Go one by one on the death certs and the number isn't one 1/10 that. Unless we did something in the last year to lower deaths in the usa by about 500k, and this balanced it out, JHU has proven death rates are no higher than other years. Endless examples of people shot in the head and counted as coronavirus, and if talk to Brazilian leftists its 3x the population of the country corona has hit.
The statistics are a bold-faced lie. If you know anything about the current medical happenings you know the regular flu deaths are higher than reported and corona isn't.
So again, my etiquette stops me.
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What in the world are you talking about? Do you realize how crazy this sounds? It's completely disconnected from reality.
It says what I'm talking about ^^, you just look.
You have pretty words for playing around with dead baby cells I'm sure.
Just like tricky words do huh?
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A bunch of people die after the vaccine. Unrelated causes, news says. Investigate, keep dying from the same thing. Public announcement: only 6 have died from vaccine so very safe. You can die from a gunshot, you died from covid, the vaccine shoots a bullet in you, unrelated causes.
500k dead requires much more infrastructure to uphold the deception than 2 weeks to slow the cure, and no one period wants to mention that the vaccine killing the weak also weaks the strong.
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A bunch of people die after the vaccine. Unrelated causes, news says. Investigate, keep dying from the same thing. Public announcement: only 6 have died from vaccine so very safe. You can die from a gunshot, you died from covid, the vaccine shoots a bullet in you, unrelated causes.
500k dead requires much more infrastructure to uphold the deception than 2 weeks to slow the cure, and no one period wants to mention that the vaccine killing the weak also weaks the strong.
Israel mass vaccinated a large portion of its population (As did UK above the age of 50 so far). Cases, deaths, and hospitalizations dropped like a rock. You have nothing to say that is of value. Just your fantasies and lies.
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Israel mass vaccinated a large portion of its population (As did UK above the age of 50 so far). Cases, deaths, and hospitalizations dropped like a rock. You have nothing to say that is of value. Just your fantasies and lies.
Above 50 already said the vaccine will kill you less than corona, so if you never plan on giving birth great way to test your strength. Maybe a corporation owns the patent on something ib you if it doesn't go away, not really a risk I'd lose sleep over. For someone I care about like I have a steam room get stronger, but for all the poor old people with no steam rooms whatever. Anyone that ever plans on reproducing should never get it, but half the flu shots are half as bad as this one and lots of old people I say go ahead and get it, you calculate overall a slight decrease in the chance of death when they do.
Hell from the very beginning I said lock down all the old at risk people and make up whatever drug you want and let everyone else maintain the economy. There would have been a population boom like that. When you're talking about old unhealthy people it's a calculation of the lowest chance of them dying, not about trying to achieve optimal health, unless they're totally loaded or know how to grow plants.
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I can guarantee you that if Israel only vaccinated the under 50s there would be more death from the vaccines where the corona would do nothing in virtually all cases.
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https://www.brighteon.com/3ef68971-87ad-4ac5-9a1c-8552364d8ccd
Here are some ways the mrna "vaccines" are killing people. At least the FDA refuses to approve it.
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I saw an ugly muslim and realized her mask was grosser than her hijab today.
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Finally a western nation that engages in medicine and not shamanism. Top ten anything can't stop France from banning this medical testing scam.
https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/french-drug-assessment-center-demands-removal-of-all-four-widely-used-covid-vaccines?utm_source=top_news&utm_campaign=standard
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The coronavirus "vaccines" are not immunization.
https://www.oann.com/thousands-of-people-test-positive-for-covid-after-receiving-experimental-vaccines-dozens-more-die/
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https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2021/04/how_to_make_a_covid_vaccination_decision.html
Young people getting the vaccine honestly aren't the brightest. I usually loathe all these "the people are too far gone wipe em start again" foamings from the craziest among the elites, but when one called the vaccine an iq test first time I didn't oppose it. It has been exceptional to instantly find out who has too many personal connections or isn't smart enough to be of use.
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Well my rogue doctors were right again, Sloan Kettering has proven that those mrna injections reduce your body's ability to fight tumors, so for cancer patients death sentence, for at risk people, thousand times greater risk than the covid.