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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: admin on October 09, 2007, 03:23:29 PM
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I think it should. It is an abomination.
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We should send them over to Iran, and let them take over. That'll cure them both gays and Iranians ;D!
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Ahhhh...no.
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You can ban something but you can't police what people do in the privacy of their own homes.
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You can ban something but you can't police what people do in the privacy of their own homes.
You're right. I was just kidding, but there would be way too much backlash if you try to ban homosexuality in America anyway.
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No. No ban. Except in case ALL the Seven Noahide Lwas were established as obligatory for all citizens. As far as there is reigious freedom even to be an atheist, there's no reason to ban anything on religious backgrounds.
However gay adoptions should be banned and punished. How can a child express his opposition to queerness if their "parents" are gay??? That's is forced indoctrination and contrary to human rights. In Let-be-land we quit citizenship to any homosexual in case he/she adopts a child. Gay marriages are not recognised, but they are not punishable if were celebrated abroad. Private life is not even investigated.
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I think it should. It is an abomination.
I don't know about this noahide nonsence but fullly agree with Yacov on pederasty. BTW mayority of Americans are christian not jewish, "noahide" muslim or atheist; so americais is christian country with secular goverment just like Israel is jewish country with secular goverment. For now... 8;)
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YOu cannot force Torah in the privacy of one's home....so in public places yes..but in the privacy of one's home...impossible.
On the other hand, a campaign should be put out to not recommend people of practicing inappropriate behavior like that.
For those that can't help it, because there are some that might be born that way, compassion woudl be necessary to help guide them. I don't know to what result because it might not be possible to change some homosexuals.
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YOu cannot force Torah in the privacy of one's home....so in public places yes..but in the privacy of one's home...impossible.
On the other hand, a campaign should be put out to not recommend people of practicing inappropriate behavior like that.
For those that can't help it, because there are some that might be born that way, compassion woudl be necessary to help guide them. I don't know to what result because it might not be possible to change some homosexuals.
You are right. Today, nearly all gays are born that way. We are not in ancient Greece and Rome where it was simply a fashion. Most gays today can't help it, but they still have the choise of celibate. The question is: would an heterosexual accept celibate if it were necceseary for some reason ( for example in case he is unable to have healthy children)? Most likely he would use a contraceptive method and have sex anyway. Today most straight people have sex just for pleasure, and it is also immoral under the Noahide Laws. So, before judging others, one must put himself in their place.......
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YOu cannot force Torah in the privacy of one's home....so in public places yes..but in the privacy of one's home...impossible.
On the other hand, a campaign should be put out to not recommend people of practicing inappropriate behavior like that.
For those that can't help it, because there are some that might be born that way, compassion woudl be necessary to help guide them. I don't know to what result because it might not be possible to change some homosexuals.
You are right. Today, nearly all gays are born that way. We are not in ancient Greece and Rome where it was simply a fashion. Most gays today can't help it, but they still have the choise of celibate. The question is: would an heterosexual accept celibate if it were necceseary for some reason ( for example in case he is unable to have healthy children)? Most likely he would use a contraceptive method and have sex anyway. Today most straight people have sex just for pleasure, and it is also immoral under the Noahide Laws. So, before judging others, one must put himself in their place.......
Gd forbid that if i were put in this situation as a parent:
But I am more likely to accept my son, Gd fobid, with a Jewish gay partner than accept him, Gd forbid, wtih a non-Jewish girl...
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Today it's the fashion too; it's even tought in schools that being "gay" is cool :o; mayority of homos can treated and cured from their ilness.
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YOu cannot force Torah in the privacy of one's home....so in public places yes..but in the privacy of one's home...impossible.
On the other hand, a campaign should be put out to not recommend people of practicing inappropriate behavior like that.
For those that can't help it, because there are some that might be born that way, compassion woudl be necessary to help guide them. I don't know to what result because it might not be possible to change some homosexuals.
You are right. Today, nearly all gays are born that way. We are not in ancient Greece and Rome where it was simply a fashion. Most gays today can't help it, but they still have the choise of celibate. The question is: would an heterosexual accept celibate if it were necceseary for some reason ( for example in case he is unable to have healthy children)? Most likely he would use a contraceptive method and have sex anyway. Today most straight people have sex just for pleasure, and it is also immoral under the Noahide Laws. So, before judging others, one must put himself in their place.......
Gd forbid that if i were put in this situation as a parent:
But I am more likely to accept my son, Gd fobid, with a Jewish gay partner than accept him, Gd forbid, wtih a non-Jewish girl...
Wow thats some scenario! There is always a chance the girl could convert. How does the other situation get any better? :-\
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YOu cannot force Torah in the privacy of one's home....so in public places yes..but in the privacy of one's home...impossible.
On the other hand, a campaign should be put out to not recommend people of practicing inappropriate behavior like that.
For those that can't help it, because there are some that might be born that way, compassion woudl be necessary to help guide them. I don't know to what result because it might not be possible to change some homosexuals.
You are right. Today, nearly all gays are born that way. We are not in ancient Greece and Rome where it was simply a fashion. Most gays today can't help it, but they still have the choise of celibate. The question is: would an heterosexual accept celibate if it were necceseary for some reason ( for example in case he is unable to have healthy children)? Most likely he would use a contraceptive method and have sex anyway. Today most straight people have sex just for pleasure, and it is also immoral under the Noahide Laws. So, before judging others, one must put himself in their place.......
Gd forbid that if i were put in this situation as a parent:
But I am more likely to accept my son, Gd fobid, with a Jewish gay partner than accept him, Gd forbid, wtih a non-Jewish girl...
Lubab may corect me; by acording to Tanach's Torah the homosexual relation is greater sin than intermariage. Jew marring non jew stay jew his spouse may convert after all; while both homos engaged in immoral act shoud be killed plus there will be never little jews out of this .
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To Ultra:
Gays cannot and must not be treated, most treatments are based on the aversion therapy which has proved to be cruel and ineffective. However, if they truly take the religious ban seriously, they can do a great effort to keep celibate.
To Danny:
Intermarriage is a sin, but homosexuality seems to be more serious to the Torah. There is no capital punishment to a Jew who intermarries!!!!!
To CJD:
Just remember that conversions in order to marry a Jew are invalid
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YOu cannot force Torah in the privacy of one's home....so in public places yes..but in the privacy of one's home...impossible.
On the other hand, a campaign should be put out to not recommend people of practicing inappropriate behavior like that.
For those that can't help it, because there are some that might be born that way, compassion woudl be necessary to help guide them. I don't know to what result because it might not be possible to change some homosexuals.
You are right. Today, nearly all gays are born that way. We are not in ancient Greece and Rome where it was simply a fashion. Most gays today can't help it, but they still have the choise of celibate. The question is: would an heterosexual accept celibate if it were necceseary for some reason ( for example in case he is unable to have healthy children)? Most likely he would use a contraceptive method and have sex anyway. Today most straight people have sex just for pleasure, and it is also immoral under the Noahide Laws. So, before judging others, one must put himself in their place.......
You bring up a very interesting point. There is a difference between experiencing homosexual feelings and engaging in homosexual behaviors. It is possible for someone to have homosexual desires but resist the urges to follow through on their behaviors. The conundrum is that if a homosexual engages in homosexual behavior, then it's a disgusting immoral lifestyle. But if a homosexual resists those urges and chooses to lead heterosexual life and marry someone of the opposite gender, then eventually, those feelings will overpower and will break up the marriage where homosexuals will then be accused of breaking up the family unit. So what's the solution? Just stay in the closet for their entire lives?
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To Ultra:
Gays cannot and must not be treated, most treatments are based on the aversion therapy which has proved to be cruel and ineffective. However, if they truly take the religious ban seriously, they can do a great effort to keep celibate.
To Danny:
Intermarriage is a sin, but homosexuality seems to be more serious to the Torah. There is no capital punishment to a Jew who intermarries!!!!!
To CJD:
Just remember that conversions in order to marry a Jew are invalid
Yes I know about that however I was thinking more in the line of a after the fact conversion where the folks were together already and the girl in this scenario decided to convert then. I just can see a homosexual relationship being preferable.
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YOu cannot force Torah in the privacy of one's home....so in public places yes..but in the privacy of one's home...impossible.
On the other hand, a campaign should be put out to not recommend people of practicing inappropriate behavior like that.
For those that can't help it, because there are some that might be born that way, compassion woudl be necessary to help guide them. I don't know to what result because it might not be possible to change some homosexuals.
You are right. Today, nearly all gays are born that way. We are not in ancient Greece and Rome where it was simply a fashion. Most gays today can't help it, but they still have the choise of celibate. The question is: would an heterosexual accept celibate if it were necceseary for some reason ( for example in case he is unable to have healthy children)? Most likely he would use a contraceptive method and have sex anyway. Today most straight people have sex just for pleasure, and it is also immoral under the Noahide Laws. So, before judging others, one must put himself in their place.......
Gd forbid that if i were put in this situation as a parent:
But I am more likely to accept my son, Gd fobid, with a Jewish gay partner than accept him, Gd forbid, wtih a non-Jewish girl...
Its like saying that you would rather see your son get his neck chopped off as opposed see him drown to death, for both its allmost the same result.
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Yes, it is abomination.It should be banned!
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It should at least be banned in public.
Spot on, the same way public nudity is banned, and for the same reason, it is obscene.
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Homosexuality is a psychological problem, it's no different than paedophilia. It is not a sexual choice and people are not born with it. There is nothing natural about anal sex, the rectum was not made for penetration. No wonder fags spread AIDS. We can't ban it because there will always be homosexuality, but we should certainly ban homosexual marriage and promotion of homosexuality in our public schools and public tv.
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I don't know how it can be banned officially but legally it can. It should be a crime.
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Back to the closet, thats how! O0