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Torah and Jewish Idea => Torah and Jewish Idea => Topic started by: admin on October 12, 2007, 05:49:23 PM
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It is not permitted on this forum to sexually harass the female posters. It is also not permitted to call them names such as whores and other such words or to compare them to whores.
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Was anyone NOT aware of this before?
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Was anyone NOT aware of this before?
It seems Kelly got that message in a private message she only made it known late on Friday
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What Scraibin did was totally uncalled for.
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Sexual harassment = whatever a woman says it does!
Are women so fragile that they can't take an ounce of criticism?
You're silly, Yakov.
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Boo hoo.
Let's all rush to the defence of the poor, helpless woman because she's attractive.
This proves what I've been saying all along...women call the shots in times of peace.
This whole incident is nothing but PC bull.
If I had sent Massuh a message calling him a 'lunatic' would everyone be so suddenly outraged?
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Sexual harassment = whatever a woman says it does!
Are women so fragile that they can't take an ounce of criticism?
You're silly, Yakov.
Telling someone that they look like a whore is definitely sexual harassment. How severe of sexual harassment? Depends on the woman, but I guarantee you that most women would find offense with a near stranger calling them a whore or saying they look like one.
How would you like it if a near stranger came up to you and said that you dress and look like a faggot?
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Boo hoo.
Let's all rush to the defence of the poor, helpless woman because she's attractive.
This proves what I've been saying all along...women call the shots in times of peace.
This whole incident is nothing but PC bull.
If I had sent Massuh a message calling him a 'lunatic' would everyone be so suddenly outraged?
You're kind of blowing this out of proportion anyway. I wouldn't say that anyone's "outraged" we just think that forum members shouldn't call other forum members sexually derogatory terms. Is that so much to expect? I suppose it would be a much better rule to allow the men on the forum to say sexually explicit things to female members and call them raunchy names?
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Sexual harassment = whatever a woman says it does!
Are women so fragile that they can't take an ounce of criticism?
You're silly, Yakov.
Telling someone that they look like a whore is definitely sexual harassment. How severe of sexual harassment? Depends on the woman, but I guarantee you that most women would find offense with a near stranger calling them a whore or saying they look like one.
How would you like it if a near stranger came up to you and said that you dress and look like a faggot?
Excellent Point.
Possibly it should be a rule that no personal pictures should be used as avatars. It seems to be bringing out the dark side of some of our members
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I suppose it would be a much better rule to allow the men on the forum to say sexually explicit things to female members and call them raunchy names?
I called her no 'raunchy' names nor said any 'sexually explicit' things.
I did criticize her.
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Sexual harassment = whatever a woman says it does!
Are women so fragile that they can't take an ounce of criticism?
You're silly, Yakov.
Boo hoo.
Let's all rush to the defence of the poor, helpless woman because she's attractive.
This proves what I've been saying all along...women call the shots in times of peace.
This whole incident is nothing but PC bull.
If I had sent Massuh a message calling him a 'lunatic' would everyone be so suddenly outraged?
Did she not post your message? How is that taking the words of a woman when they are your words? Sorry brother...In all actuality, what was publicly posted was not only irresponsible but an attack on her person....... Please be more responsible and keep proper etiquette.
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Telling someone that they look like a whore is definitely sexual harassment.
Really?
Definitely?
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Telling someone that they look like a whore is definitely sexual harassment.
Really?
Definitely?
Look, I'm not saying I think that it's necessarily sexual harassment, I'm just saying that it's considered to be sexual harassment by most people. Telling someone that they look like or are a woman who has sex with hundreds of men for money is sexual and it's harassment. It's sexual harassment.
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I suppose it would be a much better rule to allow the men on the forum to say sexually explicit things to female members and call them raunchy names?
I called her no 'raunchy' names nor said any 'sexually explicit' things.
I did criticize her.
Calling someone a whore is raunchy and sexually explicit as far as JTF goes.
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Sexual harassment = whatever a woman says it does!
Are women so fragile that they can't take an ounce of criticism?
You're silly, Yakov.
Telling someone that they look like a whore is definitely sexual harassment. How severe of sexual harassment? Depends on the woman, but I guarantee you that most women would find offense with a near stranger calling them a whore or saying they look like one.
How would you like it if a near stranger came up to you and said that you dress and look like a faggot?
Excellent Point.
Possibly it should be a rule that no personal pictures should be used as avatars. I seems to be bringing out the dark side of some of our members
I's have a dark side as you can see's by my picture
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I suppose it would be a much better rule to allow the men on the forum to say sexually explicit things to female members and call them raunchy names?
I called her no 'raunchy' names nor said any 'sexually explicit' things.
I did criticize her.
Calling someone a whore is raunchy and sexually explicit as far as JTF goes.
I didn't call her a whore, I said that her picture makes her look 'like a prostitute.'
The issue of women and how they use their bodies to get what they want is highly underrated on this forum.
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Sexual harassment = whatever a woman says it does!
Are women so fragile that they can't take an ounce of criticism?
You're silly, Yakov.
Telling someone that they look like a whore is definitely sexual harassment. How severe of sexual harassment? Depends on the woman, but I guarantee you that most women would find offense with a near stranger calling them a whore or saying they look like one.
How would you like it if a near stranger came up to you and said that you dress and look like a faggot?
Excellent Point.
Possibly it should be a rule that no personal pictures should be used as avatars. I seems to be bringing out the dark side of some of our members
I's have a dark side as you can see's by my picture
8;) :::D
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I must say Johnson, you always bring a good comical light to this forum. O0
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I suppose it would be a much better rule to allow the men on the forum to say sexually explicit things to female members and call them raunchy names?
I called her no 'raunchy' names nor said any 'sexually explicit' things.
I did criticize her.
Calling someone a whore is raunchy and sexually explicit as far as JTF goes.
I didn't call her a whore, I said that her picture makes her look 'like a prostitute.'
The issue of women and how they use their bodies to get what they want is highly underrated on this forum.
Oh, someone told me you called her a whore. Meh, what you said isn't that bad then. Maybe just a bit inappropriate, but not sexual harassment.
I think as long as women are free to do what they want to when it comes to sexuality, they will always use their bodies to get what they want, and men will always give them the things they want in exchange for their bodies. If you allow women to expose themselves and have liberal views on sexuality, the use of their bodies in an inevitable part of the struggle between the genders.
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I suppose it would be a much better rule to allow the men on the forum to say sexually explicit things to female members and call them raunchy names?
I called her no 'raunchy' names nor said any 'sexually explicit' things.
I did criticize her.
Calling someone a whore is raunchy and sexually explicit as far as JTF goes.
I didn't call her a whore, I said that her picture makes her look 'like a prostitute.'
The issue of women and how they use their bodies to get what they want is highly underrated on this forum.
I don't think anyones picture should NOT be used as a avatar, and I agree its like a selling of an item. Kelly is very pretty without a doubt. I think its better to keep it as a profile pic. Not only we see it , but so does the whole world.
And theres man dishonorable men in this world, and safe guarding women should be at the top of the list of this forum.
And using the fact we are women to win points is not ok. But respecting a woman for bieng a woman should not dismissed either.
Saying all that we are on an open commuinty forum and should have the same rules applied to women as men.
Theres male members that like trying to slap me all the time so I can't even see that rule being inplace.
Or should it be written only the females they chose to like.
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I suppose it would be a much better rule to allow the men on the forum to say sexually explicit things to female members and call them raunchy names?
I called her no 'raunchy' names nor said any 'sexually explicit' things.
I did criticize her.
Calling someone a whore is raunchy and sexually explicit as far as JTF goes.
I didn't call her a whore, I said that her picture makes her look 'like a prostitute.'
The issue of women and how they use their bodies to get what they want is highly underrated on this forum.
I don't think anyones picture should NOT be used as a avatar, and I agree its like a selling of an item. Kelly is very pretty without a doubt. I think its better to keep it as a profile pic. Not only we see it , but so does the whole world.
And theres man dishonorable men in this world, and safe guarding women should be at the top of the list of this forum.
And using the fact we are women to win points is not ok. But respecting a woman for bieng a woman should not dismissed either.
Saying all that we are on an open commuinty forum and should have the same rules applied to women as men.
Theres male members that like trying to slap me all the time so I can't even see that rule being inplace.
Or should it be written only the females they chose to like.
What?
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Theres male members that like trying to slap me all the time so I can't even see that rule being inplace.
Or should it be written only the females they chose to like.
I understood what you wrote except this part. There are male members that try to slap you all the time? WHat do you mean by that?
I think the last point she was making was that without the rule in place, we would only enforce the sexual harassment rule for the women that we like, such as kellymaureen.
We like you too Infidel!
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I do not think that what Scriabin did was sexual harassment, he just stated an opinion.
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Basically pimping your pic on the forum Bad!
Enemys can use it, like this forum taking the pics from PAA and trashing members.
And one rule for all, not because you are man or woman.
And being attacked by male members only happens to female members they like.
I am female and I got attacked many times, so weres the respect theres none. Just because its Kelly the forum goes off.
Erica is female she gets attacked too.
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Theres male members that like trying to slap me all the time so I can't even see that rule being inplace.
Or should it be written only the females they chose to like.
I understood what you wrote except this part. There are male members that try to slap you all the time? WHat do you mean by that?
I think the last point she was making was that without the rule in place, we would only enforce the sexual harassment rule for the women that we like, such as kellymaureen.
We like you too Infidel!
Sorry kiwi phrasing lol, just means I am attacked on this forum most days. Just I chose not to carry on about it.
LOL
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Basically pimping your pic on the forum Bad!
Enemys can use it, like this forum taking the pics from PAA and trashing members.
And one rule for all, not because you are man or woman.
And being attacked by male members only happens to female members they like.
I am female and I got attacked many times, so weres the respect theres none. Just because its Kelly the forum goes off.
Erica is female she gets attacked too.
We have respect for all the great woman on the forum (except some people with Erica but she's not really a true friend of JTF) It is NOT just because of Kelly that the forum went off. No one knew about the times you were attacked, Kelly decided to tell people about it. If you told people about what happened, we would have done the same thing with you. Please do so if it happens in the future and it bothers you.
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Well thank you but people need to realise this is a internet forum, and quite honestly jewish women are not made from glass, and don't break easy.
Whats written here should not be the basis of how you see yourself.
The only one that has the right to judge is god.
Not us mere morals.
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I do not think that what Scriabin did was sexual harassment, he just stated an opinion.
Saying some 'looks like a prostitute' is making a value judgement, idiot!
It was completely uncalled for. Kelly is in her pic wearing a dress and sitting at a table on her patio!.....NOT on a waterbed in a micro-mini with her legs apart!!!!!!
Kelly is owed an apology at the very least.
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This is absolutely ridiculous.
First of all I never asked for any rules or this thread, all I asked (and that was via PM to admin) was how to block PM's. I chose to post that particular one, because well if you are proud of your opinions then they should be shared, and people can think what they like.
Pimping?? As in?? What exactly do you think Im "pimping". No matter what I look like, my posts speak for themselves, do you think that I would be "smarter" if I was covered in some muslim bag?
I cannot help the way I look, that had nothing to do with me, thats all thanks to my parents, grandparents, great-grand-parents and so on...like everyone else. If I was using my body or looks to get ahead in life I sure as hell wouldnt be working 50 hours a week in an office so I can pay my mortgage, car, health insurance, utilities, food and the millon other things I alone am responsible for....evidently I have this "using my feminine wiles" thing all wrong.
I had no idea a microscopic, rather blurry picture would be so scandalous, funny that no one mentioned it for more than 6 weeks...it cant even be enlarged from here.
People like Kelly?? What kind of people would that be?
You mean people who finished university, got a great job, work hard, raise children, have great friends and a wonderful and supportive family....those kind of people?
Im glad there arent any more pressing issues in the world right now than this. If these things cant be dropped, and get on to more important things then we are wasting alot of time. Its done, I can go back to happily ignoring creepy members.
Trust me Im hardly made of glass...
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Yacov, who is Imerica?
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Ohhh erica, got it
With our enemies, anything goes
how true.
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Whether you call it sexual harassment or not, telling someone they look like prostitute is a vicious personal assault. And it's totally unacceptable here, as are all personal assaults.
Kellymaureen is an excellent member of our forum and I don't want to see her go.
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The rule applies to all women who are JTF supporters. It obviously does not apply to female trolls such as Imerica or female Nazis/self-hating Jews.
Women are women.
Who is a female nazi/self hating jew?
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This is absolutely ridiculous.
First of all I never asked for any rules or this thread, all I asked (and that was via PM to admin) was how to block PM's. I chose to post that particular one, because well if you are proud of your opinions then they should be shared, and people can think what they like.
Pimping?? As in?? What exactly do you think Im "pimping". No matter what I look like, my posts speak for themselves, do you think that I would be "smarter" if I was covered in some muslim bag?
I cannot help the way I look, that had nothing to do with me, thats all thanks to my parents, grandparents, great-grand-parents and so on...like everyone else. If I was using my body or looks to get ahead in life I sure as hell wouldnt be working 50 hours a week in an office so I can pay my mortgage, car, health insurance, utilities, food and the millon other things I alone am responsible for....evidently I have this "using my feminine wiles" thing all wrong.
I had no idea a microscopic, rather blurry picture would be so scandalous, funny that no one mentioned it for more than 6 weeks...it cant even be enlarged from here.
People like Kelly?? What kind of people would that be?
You mean people who finished university, got a great job, work hard, raise children, have great friends and a wonderful and supportive family....those kind of people?
Im glad there arent any more pressing issues in the world right now than this. If these things cant be dropped, and get on to more important things then we are wasting alot of time. Its done, I can go back to happily ignoring creepy members.
Trust me Im hardly made of glass...
There you have it, the rule has no purpose, and she can look after herself.
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The rule applies to all women who are JTF supporters. It obviously does not apply to female trolls such as Imerica or female Nazis/self-hating Jews.
Women are women.
Who is a female nazi/self hating jew?
Muslim women are female Nazis. The female Knesset members are females who are self-hating Jews.
I was asking who are they on this forum?
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Meh, I don't quite agree with Scriabin - but it's certainly not Sexual Harassment. She was dressed immodestly. People should not be allowed to put pictures of themselves as their avatar.
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Kelly was not dressed immodestly by any standard that applies to gentiles.
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A summer dress, not even short, in a tiny blurry picture was immodest?
Perhaps the burka would be more suitable here.
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A summer dress, not even short, in a tiny blurry picture was immodest?
Perhaps the burka would be more suitable here.
You were fine, don't even worry about it.
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A summer dress, not even short, in a tiny blurry picture was immodest?
Perhaps the burka would be more suitable here.
I think he meant that your shoulders weren't covered. Jewish women are supposed to cover up to their elbows and up to their knees.
Yes, that is what I meant.
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A summer dress, not even short, in a tiny blurry picture was immodest?
Perhaps the burka would be more suitable here.
I think he meant that your shoulders weren't covered. Jewish women are supposed to cover up their elbows and up to their knees.
Kelly is not a Jewess (though she's perfect enough to be one), so Jewish standards of modesty do not apply to her. Her summer dress is no different to what you would see any respectable gentile wearing in public in any western city.
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I agree, I think no personal pictures should be used!
This is causing a LOT of trouble, "Divide and Conquer"
Kelly, PLEASE use another non personal picture.
Thank YOU
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Kelly was only doing what the average western woman does.
Unfortunately, that's the problem.
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I agree, I think no personal pictures should be used!
This is causing a LOT of trouble, "Divide and Conquer"
Kelly, PLEASE use another non personal picture.
Thank YOU
I like her personal pics.
Anybody so mentally feeble as to be distracted or become warped by seeing a beautiful woman fully clothed needs a head doctor.
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Ive been here for months and it hasnt been an issue, it was started as an issue by someone who took exception to my stance on a certain subject and for no other reason. My photo is appropriate, though I would be willing to use the photo of the woman in the burka.
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I would like to point out that there are so many serious issues that we need to address that we should not waste time arguing about something that is common sense. I'm starting to get annoyed with all the BS posts that keep appearing. I haven't seen too many real posts addressing the pure JTF mission in a while.
Our number 1 mission is:
Fighting to save America and Israel from Islamic terrorism!
Our mission is also to save Israel and America from third world beasts taking over.
Let me remind everyone about the seven point plan:
POINT ONE: A ferocious retaliation against all Muslim nations which have in any way aided or abetted terrorism against American citizens.
POINT TWO: The immediate destruction by the American or Israeli military of all Muslim nuclear reactors, plants and laboratories developing nuclear, chemical and/or biological weapons of mass destruction.
POINT THREE: Total energy independence for America through a crash development program funded in the defense budget as a vital national security priority.
POINT FOUR: An immediate end to all U.S. foreign aid, even to a genuine friend and ally like Israel, which is harmed rather than helped by her counterproductive dependency on America's addictive welfare handouts.
POINT FIVE: An immediate end to all foreign immigration into the United States, combined with the complete expulsion of America's millions of illegal aliens and the stringent removal of her legal ones at the expiration of their work or residency visas.
POINT SIX: An immediate recognition by the United States of little Israel's G-d-given right and obligation to assert full and permanent sovereign control over all sacred Jewish Biblical lands, including Judea, Samaria, the Gaza District, the Golan Heights and eastern Jerusalem.
POINT SEVEN: An immediate withdrawal from the fanatically anti-American United Nations (UN) and all organizations directly or indirectly affiliated with it, and the immediate banning of all UN-related activities on American soil.
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Anybody so mentally feeble as to be distracted or become warped by seeing a beautiful woman fully clothed needs a head doctor.
Attractive women are distracting enough. They don't need to overdo it.
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POINT ONE: A ferocious retaliation against all Muslim nations which have in any way aided or abetted terrorism against American citizens.
Is there a muslim nation that in some way, no matter how small, aided or abbetted terror against a western country?
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What was the certain subject?
I think that we should move forward, this is getting silly.
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There's no way to explain away what Scriabin did. I think the entire leadership of JTF is being far too soft on him.
As far as I am concerned he needs to go until he can learn how to behave.
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Anybody so mentally feeble as to be distracted or become warped by seeing a beautiful woman fully clothed needs a head doctor.
Attractive women are distracting enough. They don't need to overdo it.
A porsche convertible is distracting for that matter. How rediculous.
If you find her (fully clothed) image that distracting you must turn into a phsycotic rapist when you see bikini girls!
Really, Scriabin.......that's just silly.
Attractive women cannot distract ANYBODY unless they're Ted Bundy.
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There's no way to explain away what Scriabin did. I think the entire leadership of JTF is being far too soft on him.
As far as I am concerned he needs to go until he can learn how to behave.
They can ban me, that's their decision.
You're still a COWARD.
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Please stop this. If it was up to me, I would immediately lock and delete this thread. We have an important mission and it is not arguing over this.