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Title: Is this the first time JTF was wrong on a prediction?
Post by: Binyamin Yisrael on November 09, 2016, 12:57:19 PM
JTF is usually right when predicting an event. Is the fact that Trump won the first time JTF's prediction did not come true? Of course JTF also predicted what would happen once he came into office if he did win which is separate from predicting the winner of the election.

Title: Re: Is this the first time JTF was wrong on a prediction?
Post by: Confederate Kahanist on November 09, 2016, 03:08:49 PM
The last video that Chaim did, he was actually predicting it would be a close race. 
Title: Re: Is this the first time JTF was wrong on a prediction?
Post by: cjd on November 09, 2016, 05:14:04 PM
JTF is usually right when predicting an event. Is the fact that Trump won the first time JTF's prediction did not come true? Of course JTF also predicted what would happen once he came into office if he did win which is separate from predicting the winner of the election.
Are you trying to convince the gullible and lull the suspicious here? Why not just drop it.. Predicting election outcomes here in the U.S is not one of our movements better traits... As far as what will happen once Trump gets into office according to JTF Trump would never see office... Let's just calm down a bit and give the man a chance... Possibly the first 100 days or even after his first big blunder... Then you can take the gloves off... Personally I see him trying to do some good things... If not he will be tossed out after 4 years... No question about it.
Title: Re: Is this the first time JTF was wrong on a prediction?
Post by: eb22 on November 10, 2016, 12:10:58 PM
Though the circumstances of the 2016 election changed Chaim's prediction from 2008,  back then I recall him saying something along the lines on an ' Ask JTF'  program or video that Hillary Clinton wouldn't become President of the United States because it was a divine punishment.   Through the entire 2016 campaign,  this is something stuck with me.   Even if Clinton won the election,  my gut feeling was she would never end up serving as President,  in part because of what Chaim expressed in 2008.   That commentary back had substance.   Unfortunately,  I have absolutely no clue which program or video it was from.   
Title: Re: Is this the first time JTF was wrong on a prediction?
Post by: Dr. Dan on November 10, 2016, 02:10:24 PM
Chaim never said Trump would ABSOLUTELY lose.. All he has every said was that he will MOST LIKELY lose. 

Chaim nor any of us are prophets.
Title: Re: Is this the first time JTF was wrong on a prediction?
Post by: syyuge on November 10, 2016, 02:20:07 PM
Trump was getting defeated from the day one. He won only on the last day.
Title: Re: Is this the first time JTF was wrong on a prediction?
Post by: Joe Gutfeld on November 10, 2016, 04:16:44 PM
Chaim didn't support anyone for the election.  Just that whoever won will be a diaster for the US.  Usually when Chaim endorsed someone, like Ted Cruz, they usually lose.  I was rooting for Cruz to win.  But, it just didn't work out compared to the publicy hound Trump is.  I feel that Chaim should go back to the ask JTF shows since the election is finally over.
Title: Re: Is this the first time JTF was wrong on a prediction?
Post by: YimachShemotoIslam on November 10, 2016, 04:34:12 PM
I want Chaim to go back to his Ask JTF program.
Title: Re: Is this the first time JTF was wrong on a prediction?
Post by: Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks on November 10, 2016, 05:18:44 PM
We were wrong about Trump being able to win. It is absolutely by no means demonstrated that we were wrong about everything else (that other Republicans would have outperformed him, that he will be a disastrous president, etc.).

Everyone, just cool it.
Title: Re: Is this the first time JTF was wrong on a prediction?
Post by: cjd on November 10, 2016, 07:26:37 PM
Chaim never said Trump would ABSOLUTELY lose.. All he has every said was that he will MOST LIKELY lose. 

Chaim nor any of us are prophets.

No one has to be a prophet to see that the thousands and thousands of people attending the Trump rallies was going to amount to a win in the end... This election win was in the bag for some time... My only uneasiness was the fact that Democrats hock the election process with dirty tricks such as having the dead, illegals, and people of color voting multiple times... Chaim said enough to be on the wrong side of the issue... Early on I expressed the idea of going easy because the outcome was going to be not what JTF was pushing for... My prediction for Trump is that he is going to do quite well... I think he was able to shake up the political bird cage enough that we may actually see so meaningful work come out of Washington over the next few years... As I said yesterday lets just let the Trump bashing issue drop because it does the JTF movement no good going foward
Title: Re: Is this the first time JTF was wrong on a prediction?
Post by: cjd on November 10, 2016, 07:37:25 PM
We were wrong about Trump being able to win. It is absolutely by no means demonstrated that we were wrong about everything else (that other Republicans would have outperformed him, that he will be a disastrous president, etc.).

Everyone, just cool it.
Would you be saying cool it if Trump lost? :::D Stupidity has it's price... It's not easy forgetting that a movement that bashed Clintons brains in for years was giving her clandestine support... It was JTF's position that Trump was the weakest candidate... I would be cautious of predicting what Trumps presidency will be like... Even your "Great Ted Cruz'' has jumped on the Trump bandwagon  :::D
Title: Re: Is this the first time JTF was wrong on a prediction?
Post by: Aces High on November 10, 2016, 09:14:12 PM
You gotta hand it to CJD.  He was right about trump  having a great chance to win.  And sure enough, it happened.   
Title: Re: Is this the first time JTF was wrong on a prediction?
Post by: Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks on November 10, 2016, 11:27:10 PM
Even your "Great Ted Cruz'' has jumped on the Trump bandwagon  :::D
I like Cruz, I don't pray to him each night the way you do your orange Stalin. I have differences of opinions with him, and Chaim.

I look to nobody as infallible. You should learn to have this outlook as well.
Title: Re: Is this the first time JTF was wrong on a prediction?
Post by: briann on November 10, 2016, 11:51:25 PM
VERY few people thought trump actually had a chance.... even his followers.   I dont think its fair to single out JTF on this.  I didnt think he had a chance either... until maybe the last month... but I still thought it was unlikely.  I am honestly still in shock over this.

I gotta give 'cjd' credit for predicting this.   There was a statistician on Fox who predicted it last year, and he did one of those online bets..... and made millions.   He was smiling from ear to ear.
Title: Re: Is this the first time JTF was wrong on a prediction?
Post by: cjd on November 11, 2016, 03:09:28 AM
I like Cruz, I don't pray to him each night the way you do your orange Stalin. I have differences of opinions with him, and Chaim.

I look to nobody as infallible. You should learn to have this outlook as well.
Honestly you make it sound like we have some sort of personal relationship here  :::D How in the world do you know who I pray to each night... The only human in the world that has an infallibility clause is the pope and I am not so sure I even agree with that... I am not expecting Trump to be infallible I am just expecting him to do the best he can...  Grow up and hope for the best... Or go out to a anti Trump protest with the rest of the crazed liberals and possibly get arrested... :laugh: Jail might be and interesting adventure for you :o
Title: Re: Is this the first time JTF was wrong on a prediction?
Post by: Joe Gutfeld on November 11, 2016, 04:04:13 PM
I am enjoying the fact that the liberal Hollywood phonies are all crying over the fact that they have to move to Canada.  If I was Trump, I'll kick them all out.  Who needs them anyway.
Title: Re: Is this the first time JTF was wrong on a prediction?
Post by: Confederate Kahanist on June 30, 2018, 07:00:27 PM
Trump was getting defeated from the day one. He won only on the last day.

I wouldn't really say that.  I knew Trump was going to win due to the weak campaign that Hillary was running.  Why would you only campaign in 38 states especially if your opponent campaigned in all 50?  Course unlike other Republican voters I know, I didn't even vote for the guy.   
Title: Re: Is this the first time JTF was wrong on a prediction?
Post by: syyuge on July 02, 2018, 02:29:18 PM
Chaim never said Trump would ABSOLUTELY lose.. All he has every said was that he will MOST LIKELY lose. 

Chaim nor any of us are prophets.

An year ahead of the huge calamity, Chaim has clearly predicted the devastating Tsunami in Japan. Surely some prophetic effect.
Title: Re: Is this the first time JTF was wrong on a prediction?
Post by: syyuge on July 03, 2018, 04:26:17 PM
I wouldn't really say that.  I knew Trump was going to win due to the weak campaign that Hillary was running.  Why would you only campaign in 38 states especially if your opponent campaigned in all 50?  Course unlike other Republican voters I know, I didn't even vote for the guy.

Actually democratic propaganda on the surface was so wide and intensive that the observers felt that a joker like Trump can not win against them. Trump proved himself to be much more of a real businessman than a joker.
Title: Re: Is this the first time JTF was wrong on a prediction?
Post by: briann on July 05, 2018, 10:52:28 PM
I wouldn't really say that.  I knew Trump was going to win due to the weak campaign that Hillary was running.  Why would you only campaign in 38 states especially if your opponent campaigned in all 50?  Course unlike other Republican voters I know, I didn't even vote for the guy.

I think Hitlery didn't campaign, because she can barely stand for more than a few minutes.  Like everyone else, I didn't think trump could win, until about the last month or so.

By the way, Ben Shapiro, (a big never-trumper early-on) just flipped.  I think that's the last of the actual conservatives.

As of now, the remnants of the "Never Trump" conservative movement (ie Mccain & company) are nothing like the original Never-Trumpers, that had good justifications.  The ones that are left are almost entirely openly supporting democrats, liberal causes, and are openly plotting against any conservative supreme court pick.  There are a couple exceptions, but 95% have basically just morphed into democrats.

So in this respect, I think that the Never-Trumper movement is a good thing... kinda cathartic.
Title: Re: Is this the first time JTF was wrong on a prediction?
Post by: Joe Gutfeld on July 13, 2018, 03:33:20 PM
I agree that Chaim does not have the best track record in endorsing a canindate for an election.  Chaim endorsed Mike Huckabee for years and he never won.  Two years ago, Chaim wanted Ted Cruz in the White House, well we all know what happened there.  I like Ted Cruz as well, but he doesn't have the personallity that Trump has in insulting people and saying what Trump likes to do to women.  That's why Trump won over Ted Cruz. 
Title: Re: Is this the first time JTF was wrong on a prediction?
Post by: Binyamin Yisrael on July 18, 2018, 09:41:00 PM
I agree that Chaim does not have the best track record in endorsing a canindate for an election.  Chaim endorsed Mike Huckabee for years and he never won.  Two years ago, Chaim wanted Ted Cruz in the White House, well we all know what happened there.  I like Ted Cruz as well, but he doesn't have the personallity that Trump has in insulting people and saying what Trump likes to do to women.  That's why Trump won over Ted Cruz.


Chaim has a good track record on predictions. Predictions are different than endorsements. Chaim wishes his predictions wouldn't come true and that those he endorses would win. Chaim always picks the most Right Wing choice but he knows the others are more likely to win because the Establishment candidates have all the advantages.

Title: Re: Is this the first time JTF was wrong on a prediction?
Post by: syyuge on July 19, 2018, 10:56:02 AM


Chaim has a good track record on predictions. Predictions are different endorsements. Chaim wishes his predictions wouldn't come true and that those he endorses would win. Chaim always picks the most Right Wing choice but he knows the others are more likely to win because the Establishment candidates have all the advantages.

You are correct.

In the world of today, the most righteous are least likely to win but the candidate of Chaim has to be the most righteous. So the paradox of Prophecy Vs Wish gets created.