Should tobacco products be banned?

[Dr. Dan]

Albert Einstein smoked a pipe.

He said that when asked a question by physics students, he would always pause to relight his pipe and savor a puff or two, before answering the question.

Groucho Marx, Sigmund Freud, Sir Winston Churchill, and John F. Kennedy smoked cigars.

Why would G-d create such a beautiful and desirable plant, if He did not want it to be used by humankind?

During modern history's dark periods of war and economic chaos, tobacco has always been one commodity more valuable than money to a very large percentage of population.

Inside prison systems, cigarettes have more value than money, and are used as "payment" for favors, debts, etc... .

How could this be so?

Because nicotein reduces the appetite, stimulates the mind, all while producing a calmative, tranquilizing effect.

I remember hearing numerous "folk tale" accounts from fishermen, who claimed that if stung by a wasp or bitten by snakes, they would immediately put a plug of tobacco over the injury, denaturing the toxins and reducing inflammation.

Recent scientific studies indicate that nicotein usage staves off the development of Alzheimer's Disease.

The average age of onset for lung cancer is 65.

The average life-span of humankind prior to recent scientific advancements was 30 to 40 years.

Could the increased longevity of mankind, prolonging our exposure to cancer-causing chemicals, be the actual reason for the high rates of cancers seen today?

Statistical charts are always used by the "anti-tobacco" lobby to show that cancer rates have risen with the advent of tobacco's widespread use.

However, the popular use of tobacco also correlates with the popular widespread use of the internal combustion engines which power our automobiles, buses, jet planes, and military vehicles; all of which have been spewing far more toxic gases and carcinogenic particulate matter into Earth's breathable air than could be derived from all of the tobacco ignited during the same period.

The other "politically incorrect" sources of carcinogens and mutagens originate from daily exposure to industrial chemicals, from the burning of coal, from the nuclear and microwave radiation to which our planet has been heavily exposed as a result of TV/Radio broadcast transmissions, the above-ground nuclear weapons tests of the 1940's-1970's, and the widespread acceptance of "nuclear power plants" within both the civilian as well as the military sectors of our society.

Nuclear energy produces highly dangerous "radioactive wastes" which remain poisonous and lethal for 50,000 years and longer.

A "dirty little secret" is the fact that all of the militaries of the world have for years been dumping their toxic radioactive wastes directly into the oceans and seas, resulting in radioactivity entering our food chain.

When exposed to radiation, humans accumulate and store it in their breasts, thyroid glands, and prostate glands.

It may well be that the cancer epidemic witnessed throughout the 20th Century has been the result of a combination of factors, including the breathing of poisonous air, tobacco usage, exposure to nuclear radiation, and bombardment by microwave transmissions from TV, radio, computers, cell phones, X-rays, etc...

Currently, the West is experiencing an epidemic of cancerous tumors of the brain, skin, and other organ systems, which do not appear to be the direct result of long-term tobacco use.
   
Advances in medicine and nutrition have enabled most of us in the West to live far longer than did our ancestors, allowing most of us to reach the age when physical bodies begin a state of decline known as "the aging process", at which time the combined synergistic effects from decades of air pollution, water pollution, nuclear radiation, food chain pollution, electromagnetic pollution, and tobacco use, produce epidemic rates of cancer.

Fact:

Cigarette smoke results in suffication of blood vessels thereby preventing staving off infections in the mouth and the rest of the body. As bacterial plaque builds up in these blood vessels, the higher the risk of atherosclerosis.  Likewise, periodontal disease and definately lung cancer!

Bottom line, like everything else, it's bad for you especially when done too much. Cigarettes are also addicting, which can't be any better.  Education and ways of keepin peopel from smoking shoudl be the goal.  But banning is the wrong thing to do.

The above post by Massuah...BULLShinnigans! That post is conservative propoganda.

[MassuhDGoodName]

Dr. Dan [to MassuhD]:  "...The above post by Massuah...BULLShinnigans! That post is conservative propoganda..."

No!  No!  No!

You've got it all wrong, Dr. D!

Smoke is just like food!

People think it smells good and people think it tastes good too!

How could anything that is so good be bad for you?

Just look at Willy Nelson!

He smokes all day long and all night long too, rides around in an expensive tour bus playing music for a living, and he doesn't have cancer!

Yet, three of his former personal physicians, non-smokers all, have long ago passed away with lung cancer.

This proves my point conclusively.

To suggest that an enjoyable flowering plant will be the cause of one's premature death by cancer, is to deny the fact that only Ha'Shem has the power over life and death!

It is HE who determines the time and the hour!

Sometimes planes crash loaded with passengers who never touched a cigarette in their lives...how, then, can one point to tobacco as a factor shortening the lives of people?

Shouldn't you rather be pointing at jet planes, and warning everyone that "choosing to travel by air leads to premature death, and is dangerous to one's health"?

Or how about that big bridge in Minnesota that collapsed during rush hour?...Did it collapse due to the number of cigarette smokers in the cars which were crossing it?...Or was it in fact an "Act of G-d"?

And...if one professes a belief in "the right to life", is not a cancerous growth alive also?...Does not cancer have the right to live?...Who are we to make such judgements about other living life forms?

Where in Torah are we commanded "Thou shalt never partake of tobacco products!"?  We are clearly told which foods are an abomination, and which we may eat.  Doesn't it seem logical that the Maker of such distinctions would have spelled out for us which plants we might use, and which plants are forbidden to us?

Why, America could have never become a nation without tobacco!  It is the primary reason our land was once so wealthy!  And, mark my words, America can never again regain its lost wealth and stature, unless we again turn to "the golden leaf" called tobacco!  It is not by chance that the Indians consider it sacred!

[newman]

Nicoteine is also the best known anti-depressant. Smoking prevents suicide which is a sin. Therefore smoking is good.

[Sarah]

Nicoteine is also the best known anti-depressant. Smoking prevents suicide which is a sin. Therefore smoking is good.

Then I wish I had some now.

They should be discouraged not banned.

[newman]

Nicoteine is also the best known anti-depressant. Smoking prevents suicide which is a sin. Therefore smoking is good.

Then I wish I had some now.

They should be discouraged not banned.

Do an old, English custom. Go down the shop and get 20 Rothmans.

[Tina Greco - Melbourne]

Nicoteine is also the best known anti-depressant. Smoking prevents suicide which is a sin. Therefore smoking is good.

Then I wish I had some now.

They should be discouraged not banned.

Do an old, English custom. Go down the shop and get 20 Rothmans.

Thats what I used to smoke in New Zealand very fine ciggie 

[MassuhDGoodName]

Rothman's are the best there is!

[newman]

Rothman's are the best there is!

Nonsense.

If you must smoke 'readymades', Chesterfield Kings (the original 1940s type without the filter) are tops.

Drum roll-your-owns are the only proper smokes that are relatively chemical-free.

[Sarah]

Rothman's are the best there is!

Nonsense.

If you must smoke 'readymades', Chesterfield Kings (the original 1940s type without the filter) are tops.

Drum roll-your-owns are the only proper smokes that are relatively chemical-free.

What, do they taste different or something?

[newman]

Rothman's are the best there is!

Nonsense.

If you must smoke 'readymades', Chesterfield Kings (the original 1940s type without the filter) are tops.

Drum roll-your-owns are the only proper smokes that are relatively chemical-free.

What, do they taste different or something?

Oh yes.

It's like fresh-brewed Twinings tea versus generic bag stuff.

[Tina Greco - Melbourne]

Rothman's are the best there is!

Yes yes it is 

[Tina Greco - Melbourne]

Rothman's are the best there is!

Nonsense.

If you must smoke 'readymades', Chesterfield Kings (the original 1940s type without the filter) are tops.

Drum roll-your-owns are the only proper smokes that are relatively chemical-free.

Drum Dark is good, chop chop is better if you get the A grade.

But a pipe is best of all, Irish mead 

[newman]

Amphora in a pipe is soooooooooo good. Even non-smokers like the smell.

[Tina Greco - Melbourne]

Amphora in a pipe is soooooooooo good. Even non-smokers like the smell.

Oh now you are talking.................

But must be Red. 

[Sarah]

Ever tried the candy cigerrettes where light dusted sugar comes out the other end when you puff. 

[Dr. Dan]

Dr. Dan [to MassuhD]:  "...The above post by Massuah...BULLShinnigans! That post is conservative propoganda..."

No!  No!  No!

You've got it all wrong, Dr. D!

Smoke is just like food!

People think it smells good and people think it tastes good too!

How could anything that is so good be bad for you?

Just look at Willy Nelson!

He smokes all day long and all night long too, rides around in an expensive tour bus playing music for a living, and he doesn't have cancer!

Yet, three of his former personal physicians, non-smokers all, have long ago passed away with lung cancer.

This proves my point conclusively.

To suggest that an enjoyable flowering plant will be the cause of one's premature death by cancer, is to deny the fact that only Ha'Shem has the power over life and death!

It is HE who determines the time and the hour!

Sometimes planes crash loaded with passengers who never touched a cigarette in their lives...how, then, can one point to tobacco as a factor shortening the lives of people?

Shouldn't you rather be pointing at jet planes, and warning everyone that "choosing to travel by air leads to premature death, and is dangerous to one's health"?

Or how about that big bridge in Minnesota that collapsed during rush hour?...Did it collapse due to the number of cigarette smokers in the cars which were crossing it?...Or was it in fact an "Act of G-d"?

And...if one professes a belief in "the right to life", is not a cancerous growth alive also?...Does not cancer have the right to live?...Who are we to make such judgements about other living life forms?

Where in Torah are we commanded "Thou shalt never partake of tobacco products!"?  We are clearly told which foods are an abomination, and which we may eat.  Doesn't it seem logical that the Maker of such distinctions would have spelled out for us which plants we might use, and which plants are forbidden to us?

Why, America could have never become a nation without tobacco!  It is the primary reason our land was once so wealthy!  And, mark my words, America can never again regain its lost wealth and stature, unless we again turn to "the golden leaf" called tobacco!  It is not by chance that the Indians consider it sacred!

Massuah, I see patients all day long..so I know better than you..

And spare me from your terrible logic.. You sound like one of those self -hating Jews who claim that the IDF is equally as bad as the terrorists and that there are two sides of the coin in the conflict.

Bottom line, smoking is a RISK FACTOR for cancer and periodontal disease etc etc etc... RISK FACTOR.

I'm not saying to make tobacco illegal...quite the contrary.  However, certain things like that should be done in moderation.  Too much smoking is a very high risk factor for periodontal disease, for atherosclerosis, and lung cancer. I woudl rather not risk it to smoke any cigarettes.

Besides, cigarettes smell really terrible..I hate the smell with the passion!

[newman]

Ever tried the candy cigerrettes where light dusted sugar comes out the other end when you puff. 

They had chocolate cigarettes wrapped in white & brown paper that looked real when I was a kid. They were really hard to peal so I used to eat the paper & all.

[Raulmarrio2000]

Dr. Dan [to MassuhD]:  "...The above post by Massuah...BULLShinnigans! That post is conservative propoganda..."

No!  No!  No!

You've got it all wrong, Dr. D!

Smoke is just like food!

People think it smells good and people think it tastes good too!

How could anything that is so good be bad for you?

Just look at Willy Nelson!

He smokes all day long and all night long too, rides around in an expensive tour bus playing music for a living, and he doesn't have cancer!

Yet, three of his former personal physicians, non-smokers all, have long ago passed away with lung cancer.

This proves my point conclusively.

To suggest that an enjoyable flowering plant will be the cause of one's premature death by cancer, is to deny the fact that only Ha'Shem has the power over life and death!

It is HE who determines the time and the hour!

Sometimes planes crash loaded with passengers who never touched a cigarette in their lives...how, then, can one point to tobacco as a factor shortening the lives of people?

Shouldn't you rather be pointing at jet planes, and warning everyone that "choosing to travel by air leads to premature death, and is dangerous to one's health"?

Or how about that big bridge in Minnesota that collapsed during rush hour?...Did it collapse due to the number of cigarette smokers in the cars which were crossing it?...Or was it in fact an "Act of G-d"?

And...if one professes a belief in "the right to life", is not a cancerous growth alive also?...Does not cancer have the right to live?...Who are we to make such judgements about other living life forms?

Where in Torah are we commanded "Thou shalt never partake of tobacco products!"?  We are clearly told which foods are an abomination, and which we may eat.  Doesn't it seem logical that the Maker of such distinctions would have spelled out for us which plants we might use, and which plants are forbidden to us?
Why, America could have never become a nation without tobacco!  It is the primary reason our land was once so wealthy!  And, mark my words, America can never again regain its lost wealth and stature, unless we again turn to "the golden leaf" called tobacco!  It is not by chance that the Indians consider it sacred!

Torah says what things are ritually impure, not what is harmfull. Most poisons would be "Kosher" under the laws of ritual purity, and so in ancients times, when the Temple stood, Jews wouldn't have been requiered to go to mikveh after touching poison.... but it doesn't mean that you are allowed to take poison and coomit suicide. Hashem forbade both Jews and Gentiles to kill themselves. Hashem didn't list what things kill and what things don't. He left us to discover that. Torah says "thou shalt not murder", it doesn't say "thou shallt not fire a gun at your neighbour", but we know that if we fire at someone, we kill him.
Now, tobbaco doesn't necessarily kill, but it increases the risks of several diseases and shortens life expectancy. So, someone who does not smoke yet, should never try it. And those who already smoke had well try to quit if they can.

[MassuhDGoodName]

Doctor D [to MassuhD]:  You sound like one of those self -hating Jews who claim that the IDF is equally as bad as the terrorists and that there are two sides of the coin in the conflict.

I have no earthly idea how you can suddenly come up with such an implication.

It, in itself, reveals much about you.

And what it reveals is not flattering.

[Tina Greco - Melbourne]

Ever tried the candy cigerrettes where light dusted sugar comes out the other end when you puff. 

LOL I love those 

[MassuhDGoodName]

newman:  "...Amphora in a pipe is soooooooooo good. Even non-smokers like the smell..."

Newman, I prefer smoking non-aromatic blends (mostly traditional English blends), but I will grant you that Amphora & other aromatics smell absolutely heavenly!

Have you ever smoked that pipe tobacco from Zimbabwe?

It's made by Samuel Gawaith & Sons; distributed as "The 1792 Kendal Flake".

Really packs a punch!

[Daniel]

I agree that smoking should be banned from any places of employment including restaurants, bars, and casinos. But I don't think that banning the sales of cigarettes alltogether would be beneficial. All that would do is force tobacco to be sold on the black market which would result in much higher incidences of violence and criminalization. The key to stop people from purchasing and consuming tobacco is through education.

[Dr. Dan]

Doctor D [to MassuhD]:  You sound like one of those self -hating Jews who claim that the IDF is equally as bad as the terrorists and that there are two sides of the coin in the conflict.

I have no earthly idea how you can suddenly come up with such an implication.

It, in itself, reveals much about you.

And what it reveals is not flattering.

Dude, you are justifying that tobacco smoke doesnt' cause cancer because willie nelson is one such person that has smoked forever and doesn't have cancer!!!!  That's your proof?!  Puleez!! You are no Doctor my friend...I studied this stuff...CIGARETTES are bad for you and it is a HIGH CANCER RISK!!!!  So smoke all you want you stupid @sshole!!! I dont' care if you lose all your teeth!

[MassuhDGoodName]

Re:  "...You are no Doctor my friend..."

What you think you know won't even fill a thimble.   

Doctors kill more people than all the serial killers and negro murderers combined, and
that's a scientific fact!   

Once the innocent lives of the unborn children murdered by "Doctors" who perform abortions are counted, it's safe to say that "Doctors" continue to commit a modern day holocaust which rivals anything the Butchers of Buchenwald could have dreamed up.   


More deaths occur inside hospitals than out in the streets, and more dangerous plagues are spread inside hospitals than in the jungles of Africa. 

Here in America, a "Doctor" isn't a profession...it's a "Social Class" selfishly bent on its continued enrichment through it's collusion with Big Pharma, the A.M.A., the Federal Government, and the Legal Industry.   

Notice that "doctors" become outlandishly wealthy in direct proportion to the increasingly poor health and financial impoverishment of their fellow citizens.   

The A.M.A. grew filthy rich by investing in Big Tobacco until the public grew wise to their scam, so now they invest in questionable fascist industrial enterprises including military and surveillance industries to continue with their obscene lust for money.   

It's certainly no accident that the MRI clinic recommended by most physicians is the one and the same facility in which they have a major financial investment.   

The rising insurance costs for "Doctors" is the direct result of so many cases of malpractice involving every degeneracy from sexually attacking patients under anesthesia, to cutting someone's brain out of their skull, and then leaving the operating room to go to have a Big Mac for lunch, leaving the poor victim of the "medical profession" awaiting death, permanent disability, and certain financial ruination.   

"Doctors" not only have suicide and narcotics addiction rates higher than almost any other profession, but they are also notorious for dumping their life-long loyal wives who helped them through medical school the very first chance they get, and taking up with the "gold-digger" nurses in their hospitals and offices who look younger and have large breasts.   

If I could buy "Dr. Dan" for what he's worth, and then sell him for what he 'thinks' he's worth, I'd be able to retire tomorrow!   

[Dr. Dan]

Re:  "...You are no Doctor my friend..."

What you think you know won't even fill a thimble.   

Doctors kill more people than all the serial killers and negro murderers combined, and
that's a scientific fact!   

Once the innocent lives of the unborn children murdered by "Doctors" who perform abortions are counted, it's safe to say that "Doctors" continue to commit a modern day holocaust which rivals anything the Butchers of Buchenwald could have dreamed up.   


More deaths occur inside hospitals than out in the streets, and more dangerous plagues are spread inside hospitals than in the jungles of Africa. 

Here in America, a "Doctor" isn't a profession...it's a "Social Class" selfishly bent on its continued enrichment through it's collusion with Big Pharma, the A.M.A., the Federal Government, and the Legal Industry.   

Notice that "doctors" become outlandishly wealthy in direct proportion to the increasingly poor health and financial impoverishment of their fellow citizens.   

The A.M.A. grew filthy rich by investing in Big Tobacco until the public grew wise to their scam, so now they invest in questionable fascist industrial enterprises including military and surveillance industries to continue with their obscene lust for money.   

It's certainly no accident that the MRI clinic recommended by most physicians is the one and the same facility in which they have a major financial investment.   

The rising insurance costs for "Doctors" is the direct result of so many cases of malpractice involving every degeneracy from sexually attacking patients under anesthesia, to cutting someone's brain out of their skull, and then leaving the operating room to go to have a Big Mac for lunch, leaving the poor victim of the "medical profession" awaiting death, permanent disability, and certain financial ruination.   

"Doctors" not only have suicide and narcotics addiction rates higher than almost any other profession, but they are also notorious for dumping their life-long loyal wives who helped them through medical school the very first chance they get, and taking up with the "gold-digger" nurses in their hospitals and offices who look younger and have large breasts.   

If I could buy "Dr. Dan" for what he's worth, and then sell him for what he 'thinks' he's worth, I'd be able to retire tomorrow!   

Ok, fine with me...IF you are sick, don't ever go to any doctors please.

and give your young young children all the cigarettes they want...I want to see them lose all of their teeth and die of cancer while you blame it on the oxygen we breath

Live in your cave or in the mountains of Idaho since the world is more dangerous, you freak of nature.

But if you dare recommend people your life style, you are just as bad as Rabbi Ovadia Yosef who thinks that giving land to the Arabs for Peace will save Jewish lives!