Adios

[Scriabin]

Adios.

[MarZutra]

Are you leaving?  If so why?

[fake plastic trees]

That's not werid at all 

[ftfl]

What on earth?

Scribian was one of the best members this site had, I may not have always agreed wth him, but he was one of the few posters on this site that I really respected, this is a great loss for jtf.

Does anyone have any idea why he left?

[MarZutra]

He didn't tell me why.

Perhaps Yacov can send him a little email asking him what happened and why he left?  Sorry to see him go...

[fake plastic trees]

Scribian was one of the best members this site had

So were you... do you come here often anymore?

(you were the person formerly Rhuan, weren't you?)

[MarZutra]

Perhaps you can make a database?  That will be useful for marketing and promotional schemas for JTF

[adam613]

Since Scriabin is no longer here. I though I would share the two personal messages he sent to me since it is related to my own concerns although I don't agree that FEMINISM IS THE ONLY ISSUE.

Comment 1:I agree with you and not Chaim on the issue of feminism.  I've sent him NUMEROUS letters regarding this subject and he has avoided it like the plague.  Don't get me wrong, JTF is almost always right...ALMOST.

When I say 'feminism' I am talking about feminized thinking and not a few bull-dykes in battle fatigues.  I truly believe that women have been calling the shots for the past thirty or forty years and that this is the main reason for the demise of the Western world.  Abortion is ultimately up to the woman, and Western women have cornered the market abortion.

It really seems that Chaim fears only two things...women and G-d himself.



Comment 2: Yes, I have read your posts and what you say is very interesting.  I'm not a Jew, but it appears that women are the 'sacred cows' of Judaism. 

I agree, the failure to properly address the issue of feminism is the only complaint I have with Chaim.  I truly believe that feminism is what has brought all the other 'leftist' horrors of the world.

In times of peace, women call the shots
 
 

[adam613]

Then since Chaim is unmarried he is uncivilized. So why should I listen to him?

[MarZutra]

Sorry I disagree with the Rabbi.  "Feminism" is a by-product of the Socialist Agenda to destroy the Family, attack religion, culture a real tragedy to say the least.  His comments are not unjust.  I have heard Chaim say that Feminism was a horrible thing before during Ask JTF.  There are two pretty good books on this particular topic, if he should return perhaps he'll note: "The Decline of Males" - Lionel Tiger.  Although I do not agree with everything he suggests he makes some good conclusions.  The other book is more on Affirmative action but also shows how white males have been pushed to the back of the socio-economic "employment" line:  "Death of the White Male" - Michael Savage

[Fruit of thy loins]

it appears that women are the 'sacred cows' of Judaism.

The story of the Rabbi who used to place his hands under his mother's feet while she was walking to prevent her shoes getting dirty springs to mind.     There's nothing particularly wrong with devoting oneself to women, - with the one big exception: women don't usually like it.  Gentile women at least.  This is why you see that aggressive men who are firm and to the point with women have the highest reproductive success.

Numerous philosophers have noted that the more a man idolizes women, the more the women come to hate him.  Therefore the idolization of women is a path to holiness because it results in less fornication.

[MarZutra]

I guess these days that adage "The worse you treat a woman the more she loves you" holds water.....  Sad.. but a part of todays deprave reality...

[Scriabin]

Does Chaim think women should have the right to vote?  The founding fathers certainly did not.

I can tell you this, there would never have been a 'civil rights movement' had it not been for Women's Suffrage.  Not to mention the many other horrors of our modern society.

End Women's Suffrage...save Western society.

Women are SUPPOSED to civilize men.  That doesn't mean they actually DO.

I don't understand why Chaim refuses to make this distinction!

How can a slut in a miniskirt with skimpy underwear civilize a man?  She does the opposite.  She causes men to fight.   

I don't live in Hebron.  I wish all the women in America were modest and ladylike, but wishing is for children. 

[gabrielle]

I don't know about the founding fathers but what you said scriabin seems like common sense. Theres a difference between being able to vote and dressing and behaving unmodestly.......why did they not think women should have the vote?

But its also some men that want women to behave slutty......its disgusting.
America and england are pretty bad when it comes to women behaving wrongly, thats why as a muslim i think its the good to wear hijab and dress appropriately. Although in this case they over do it ....waay too much.-especially with the black- i don't get it, theres like a million other colours- why black?

[Scriabin]

Because women themselves don't act civilized, we don't have a civilized society. Islam doesn't let women civilize men and Western women choose to act uncivilized. It is only righteous Jewish women and righteous Righteous Gentile women who do so.

Yes.  And herein lies our entire problem gentlemen.  

[Scriabin]

I don't know about the founding fathers but what you said Scriabin seems like common sense. Theres a difference between being able to vote and dressing and behaving immodestly.......why did they not think women should have the vote?

But its also some men that want women to behave slutty......its disgusting.
America and england are pretty bad when it comes to women behaving wrongly, thats why as a Muslim i think its the good to wear hijab and dress appropriately. Although in this case they over do it ....way too much.-especially with the black- i don't get it, theres like a million other colours- why black?

I know you were "Sarah's" friend. So you are a Muslim too? Don't you know that Muslim men don't allow Muslim women to civilize them. Religious Jews and Righteous Gentiles are the perfect model. They are in the center. Other Westerners are too far Left and Muslims are too aggressively Right. We at JTF are the true moderates.

Well put.  Now we're discussing the real issue.

[Lisa]

I'm a Jewish woman of Iranian descent, and I've frequently heard my mother and brother in law say that the wearing of the chador doesn't necessarily stop men and women from whoring around.  They're just not as open about it. 

The thing is that nowadays modesty in women is no longer considered a virtue.  Unfortunately, women are encouraged in our popular culture to have lots of sex partners, and if they don't, they're considered damaged goods.  One time, this college roommate of mine said right to my face that she heard men tell her that if a woman has not lost her virginity by a certain young age, then they think something is mentally and physically wrong with her.  And mind you, this girl was in no position to talk, as she was at least 60 pounds overweight. 

[MarZutra]

I don't know, it is a very touchy subject. I feel if women wished to be ladies and took pride in the societal/family role of the woman and dropped this "feminism" ineptitude, the world would be a much better place.  Women should not be treated like a stick of funiture but should be respected....but that doesn't go as far to advocate the outcome of feminism: "Progressive" CEO women looking down on house wives and their children with contempt and thoughts: "Look at her, what a total waste..."

Everything is gone out of wack...  Just think, now we know what the Egyptians, Greeks, Righteous Jews in the days of Yahuda HaMaccabee and the Hellenists, Fall of Rome......  This hedonistic Humanism is the end of every advanced civilization.......  Look even Israel "progressed" to have another filthy Arab in the Knesset.  Tell me that is not insanity.  Israel plans to bomb Iran, under democracy this Arab is entitled to know the plan.........the minute he does....so will Ahmedinajad.  "Liberalism is a Mental Disorder" - Savage

[adam613]

>The reason why feminism is destructive to Western Civilization is that it prevents women from doing their role of civilizing men.

If a woman thinks it is all in her power to civilze men she is going to become a feminist. Most men are decent to women because they were taught to respect women in some area's from the torah and other sources. Not because of women. I try to be fair and decent to decent peole because that is what g-d wants us to do. This never giving men (unless you are a famous man) credit is so evil. Also CIVILIZED? The Germans for very Civilized.  If what Yacov is saying is true we might as way throw away the Torah and just ask women what we should do every second of the day. We see with Abraham and Sarah that Sarah knew what was better for Issac then Abraham did. Sarah of course was sincere and g-d told that she was right. What we learn from this is that in the end a women usually knows what is better from a child then men do. Of course this doesn't mean if a women says she doesn't want certain men you find out why to make sure she isn't just being a jerk. It's no different then a man that mentions certain figures that just because men are more fact and number oriented then women are doesn't mean that a women should just automatically believe it because a man could be lying and also being a jerk.

[adam613]

Lisa Wrote:
>The thing is that nowadays modesty in women is no longer considered a virtue. 

You seem to want to believe the worst in men, Lisa. THere are men like that Lisa but there are plenty of men that are intelligent enough to know Lisa that a women that has a lot of sex partners makes it more likely for them to get  STD and it is more likely that the women will walk out of the marriage.

[adam613]

Gabrielle Wrote:
>i don't get it, theres like a million other colours- why black?

It's funny you mention that Garbielle. It really turns me off with these Orthodox men that also always wear black. Where in the torah does it say that Jewish men can only wear black.

[adam613]

>Does Chaim think women should have the right to vote?  The founding fathers certainly did not.

>I can tell you this, there would never have been a 'civil rights movement' had it not been for Women's Suffrage.  Not to mention the many other horrors of our modern society.

When the country was first founded you had to own property to vote. And if the husband died the widow could vote. That was why women didn't vote but many men didn't vote either.

From what I understand most of the women for women to vote were connected to some shady industries. THE LADIES AGAINST FEMINISM SITE does document that it was part of the underground abortion movement of the time that mainly pushed women to vote. It wasn't that many women anyway.

Nevertheless, in the year 2006 when 18 year olds who never worked a day in their life and don't understand the real world can vote and other people who live on government subsidies and of course they will vote for the politician that gives them the most benefits can vote I see no reason why women shouldn't be allowed to vote. Especially some of them who do legitimately contribute there own skills without special favors and aren't completely reliant on their husbands and personally I have no problem with a women naturally using some of her skills to make a profit and of course the song Aishet Chail by Solomon in Proverbs Chapter 31 mentions a women who uses her skills for profit to the family. I do have a problem when women can't accept the fact and are insanely jealous of any advandage that men have or they do  better then them and men see this jealousy and only looking at the glass half empty and don't respect them and that the women get this complex that all men hate them when they really don't. There are natural advandages to being  a woman over a man and to just look at the glass half empty if wrong.   


I am not sure that Martin Lucifer King has a lot to do with women having the right to vote.
I don't know here who led who. Did the black communist movement push Betty Friedan's communist feminst movement. I honestly don't know. I do know that the civil rights act of 1964 includes minorities and women. I do know that Betty Friedan was a propagandist for Joseph Stalin and never worked one day as a housewife and her whole life story is a complete lie. She worked outside the  home her whole marriage and had a nanny take care of the kids. Her leftist has said this. She used to throw things at her husband. Her husband was no prize either. He was also a leftist. While she had 9 grandchildren her naive followers had 0 children and 0 grandchildren and are now 50 years ago. David Horowitz wrote a book about Betty Friedan's real background as very radical individual who was first attracted to a guy that was building an atomic bomb. Her hatred for the suburban housewife had to do with her hatred of America and the hatred of America. She was never a housewife. Communism was opposed to the family. Because family is a threat to Bolsheviks. And, yes, feminism wouldn't be able to exist without power hungry men. That is why many Rabbi's are feminists. They don't have to compete with men and they don't want women to trust their husbands in any way. The Rabbi's want the women to come to the Rabbi if the man says anything bad about the Rabbi. And when women complain about Rabbi's the Rabbi says they are just women and they don't know what they are talking about and are just overemotional. I have dated and I know Rabbi's that don't want women to get married unless the guy is easily to manipulate. And Rabbi's don't compete with women on a day to day basis and because of that are very naive and refuse to even belief that women are doing (forget about modesty now) some terrible things until women go after them which some of these women will eventually do. The feminist think Rabbi's are the biggest sign of male chauvinism.

[Fruit of thy loins]

I don't know many guys who would turn down an attractive woman just because she had retained her maidenhead.

As a matter of fact, in Britain we have a saying, 'to pop the cherry', and this is considered by the lads to be a momentous occasion.

And anyway, a woman may simulate the effects of penetration through the use of toys and other devices.

Nay, that is the least of our concerns. 

[kahaneloyalist]

This is a Jewish forum lets keep disscusions within Halacha. I dont know why it is considered good for women to be loose, I wouldnt want a girl who had fooled around before marriage

[MarZutra]

When one studies these dialectial materialist "utopian" ideologies and their agendas one can see exactly why feminism was conceptualized and why it is "progressed".  All, stated in Marx's manifesto for "International Socialism"....