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The speech that introduced Joe Biden bashed Serbia
« on: August 28, 2008, 03:28:37 PM »
Beau Biden bashed Serbia, referred to Serbs as thugs and stated how he was proud of Joe Biden's instrumental support of the evil actions that were taken by Bill Clinton. 


Many conservatives were against what Bill Clinton did.  So I recommend that you NOT side with the people who support Obama and Biden. 


A conservative forum where the people support Serbia:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2064783/posts


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Re: The speech that introduced Joe Biden bashed Serbia
« Reply #1 on: August 28, 2008, 05:19:13 PM »
Beau Biden bashed Serbia, referred to Serbs as thugs and stated how he was proud of Joe Biden's instrumental support of the evil actions that were taken by Bill Clinton. 


Many conservatives were against what Bill Clinton did.  So I recommend that you NOT side with the people who support Obama and Biden. 


A conservative forum where the people support Serbia:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2064783/posts


Well lets not forget that McCain hates Serbs!He is big Albanian supporter!Just couple months age he have send his wife to visit Albania and Kosovo to assure them that McCain is with them and that he will fight for their interests.Eather way we Serbs loose!I will never,i repeat,NEVER vote for McCain,neither i will vote for democrats.
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Re: The speech that introduced Joe Biden bashed Serbia
« Reply #2 on: August 29, 2008, 09:39:27 AM »
There was always been a government inside the US's government.

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Re: The speech that introduced Joe Biden bashed Serbia
« Reply #3 on: September 07, 2008, 01:21:49 AM »
Yes, it is called the media. They have no idea other than the propagandists ideas that touch their narcissism. The Clintonistas still hold sway for ideological and standing career reasons.
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Re: The speech that introduced Joe Biden bashed Serbia
« Reply #4 on: September 07, 2008, 06:19:02 AM »
In his speech at the Republican convention McCain said he was siding with Georgia against Russia.

It is clear this man hates everything that is part of Orthodox Christian world. I think that McCain will start a direct war against Russia. He is talking about energy-independence, and drilling more oil and gaz in Alaska, but will go after all competitors in Eurasia, just as if Russia is a criminal state, because it sells oil and gaz, and defends its own interests, and its borders, and oil&gaz pipelines.
This man is war-mogering puppet of the (anti-) USA elites, just as all the other candidates.
I think that McCain is a covert Marxist, just as as Obama.
Only Obama is openly advocating big government.

Both are open-border types, so under them, USA will continue to become a minority whites country.


Even R. Reagan, at his RNC speech talked about "stopping the discrimination of women".
So you see the cultural-Marxist infection in the USA, as in EUrope, has already a long history.
Turkey must get out of NATO. NATO must get out of Kosovo-Serbia. Croats must get out of Crajina. All muslims must get out of Christian and Jewish land. Turks must get out of Cyprus. Turks must get out of "Istanbul". "Palestinians" must get out of Israel. Israel must become independent from USA.

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Re: The speech that introduced Joe Biden bashed Serbia
« Reply #5 on: September 07, 2008, 06:37:26 AM »
In his speech at the Republican convention McCain said he was siding with Georgia against Russia.

It is clear this man hates everything that is part of Orthodox Christian world.

They fear strong Orthodox nations like Russia.

The USA government will try to annex Ukraine and Serbia to the EU.
After that is accomplished, Russia has lost its traditional European allies.
The USA will also occupy Iran in order to be more closer to the Russian federation.
Every step that the US-EU will make are directly / indirectly dedicated direction the encircling of Russia.

Euope was once an Orthodox continent!
Before 1054 most Western Europeans were Orthodox Christians.
Today they have lost their faith. In 1054 a new religion/ church separated it selves from the original Orthodox church. This church is today called the Roman Catholic Church. It's teachings are not loyal to the teachings of the holy fathers!
From 1054 the new Roman Church aimed for the destruction of its own original faith, Orthodoxism. The Roman Church is behaving like the old Roman Empire. There is one center of power - Rome Vatican, just like in the days of the Romans. The Pope is the holy   leader (this is in contradiction to Christianity a man can not be holy) just like Cesar was considered as the holy leader of the Roman Empire. The EU occupies the same territories as the Roman Empire had once.

What is the goal of the EU?
The same as the Romans. The struggle for worldpower.

Europe can be saved, only if they go back to their roots to Orthodoxism!
The Western nations must acknowledge that they have betrayed the Christian religion and the Church and prosecuted us, Orthodox nations, for 1000 years long!

The pope must come to the monument which represents the death camp of Jasenovac, where 800.000 Orthodox Serbs were slaughtered by Vatican’s Catholic Serbs – who call them selves today Croats! The pope must beg for forgiveness and regret the  Vatican’s crimes which were at that place (Jasenovac) committed. He must pray and beg for forgives during his whole life.

Maybe then we will forgive the West for the 1000 years long murdering and prosecuting against Orthodox civilizations! 
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Re: The speech that introduced Joe Biden bashed Serbia
« Reply #6 on: September 07, 2008, 07:19:57 AM »
They fear strong Orthodox nations like Russia.

>>They want to dominate everything, that's why they want to eliminate competitors.

The USA government will try to annex Ukraine and Serbia to the EU.

>> Correct. Ukraine is already pro-EU-NATO-USA.

After that is accomplished, Russia has lost its traditional European allies.

>> Then they will try to destabilise Russia itself, to support separatist region like Chechnia, ...

The USA will also occupy Iran in order to be more closer to the Russian federation.

>> As they occupy Iraq, Afghanistan,...

Every step that the US-EU will make are directly / indirectly dedicated direction the encircling of Russia.

>> Correct.

Euope was once an Orthodox continent!

>> It was a White, Slav-German-Greek-Roman,... continent
>>Rome was the biggest nation, and the Eastern Roman Empire is now the "Orthodox" part.

Before 1054 most Western Europeans were Orthodox Christians.
>> Orthodox+Catholic+Protestant+Angelican+Coptic were 1 Church at that time. Even the nowdays muslims were >>part of this Church.

Today they have lost their faith. In 1054 a new religion/ church separated it selves from the original Orthodox church.
>> Incorrect. Christiannity is almost 2000 years old.
>>The institutions of Catholic and Orthodox Church are of the same age, they started when Jesus gathered his >>apostles.
>>After that, the Roman emperors took Christian faith as the State Religion.
>>Without the Caears of Rome, Christiannity would not be world's biggest religion.

 This church is today called the Roman Catholic Church.
>> From then on, this Church was the State in West-Europe, and the Orthodox Church, was UNDER the rule of the >>eastern Roman Emperor. That is the real difference between Orthodox and Catholic (and it's offspring) Churches.

It's teachings are not loyal to the teachings of the holy fathers!

>> That's why the Catholics and Orthodox should work together, to unify again. Until now, this has failed.

From 1054 the new Roman Church aimed for the destruction of its own original faith, Orthodoxism.
>> again, we must unite, and our teachings must be the same, as was (lomg before) the Schisma of 1054.

The Roman Church is behaving like the old Roman Empire. There is one center of power - Rome Vatican, just like in the days of the Romans.
>> We must lead the world together. And make the old Empire of the Greeks, the Romans, the English-Spanish->>Portuguese-Russians even bigger. Nowdays, we are fighting each other as in WWI, WWII, Cold War, and so on...


The Pope is the holy   leader (this is in contradiction to Christianity a man can not be holy) just like Cesar was considered as the holy leader of the Roman Empire.
>> Indeed his status should be equal to the bishop of Rome, equal to the a.o. Patriarchs of Moscow and Byzantium.


The EU occupies the same territories as the Roman Empire had once.
>> Good. Glad the muslims don't occupy it yet!
>> The Orthodox lost their capital Constantinopel, Kosovo, and continue losing.

What is the goal of the EU?
The same as the Romans. The struggle for worldpower.

>> lucky for you, Moskou controls the biggest chunk of earth, your goals are equal to ours.  O0

Europe can be saved, only if they go back to their roots to Orthodoxism!
>> Then come to Europe, (I object you call us Europe, we are all Europe!) you will see the Church is less than 10% >> here.

Catholics and Protestants must acknowledge that they have betrayed the Christian religion and the Church and prosecuted us, Orthodox nations, for 1000 years long!

>>

The pope must come to the monument which represents the death camp of Jasenovac, where 800.000 Orthodox Serbs were slaughtered by Vatican’s Catholic Serbs – who call them selves today Croats! The pope must beg for forgiveness and regret the  Vatican’s crimes which were at that place (Jasenovac) committed. He must pray and beg for forgives during his whole life.
>> That would be a necessary step. Without any doubt.

Maybe then we will forgive the West for the 1000 years long murdering and prosecuting against Orthodox civilizations! 
>> I surely don't like Catholics that hate Orthodox' today. Maybe it is time to stop NATO-EU an USA as well.
>> I don't forget the Slavs helped us to fight the muzzies!
>> Do not forget, we flamish and Dutch helped Peter the Great to build his navy.
>> Do not forget we West Europeans, helped Russia with building nice palaces, churches,
>> do not forget we are culturally the same ! e.g. We love Tchaikovsky and Mussorgsky, as (I hope)
>> you love Mozart and Bach.
>>The Schisma between the West (Rome) and the East (Byzantium) is a result of the declining knowledge of Greek >>langauge in the West, whereas before, Greek and Latin were common languages in both parts of the Roman  >>Empire.
>>Moscow is a new Rome , as Brussel is a new Rome.
>>The interpretations of Christianity have differed a long time even when the Church was one!
>>However, at that time this Schisma was not as explicite as it ws in 1054 and further.
>>The Schisma of 1054 was preceded by many other schismas.

>> Anyway, I never believe it is too late, and I believe it is essential, Orthodox and Catholic individuals like you and >>me, find each-other, and are willing to cooperate!
Turkey must get out of NATO. NATO must get out of Kosovo-Serbia. Croats must get out of Crajina. All muslims must get out of Christian and Jewish land. Turks must get out of Cyprus. Turks must get out of "Istanbul". "Palestinians" must get out of Israel. Israel must become independent from USA.

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Re: The speech that introduced Joe Biden bashed Serbia
« Reply #7 on: September 07, 2008, 08:18:45 AM »
You have really great points, but...........

Uniting with Catholics is the same as uniting with Buddhists for example.
Further, if we unite with the Catholics than we should reject the original Christian faith - Orthodoxism. We can not compromise. We can not accept the authority of the pope. Why would we accept him as the replacement of Christos on earth? The New Testament is not teaching anything about a replacer of Christ!

How can Catholics and Protestants exist for 2000 years long?
Before 1054 the Western Church was almost the same as the Eastern.
Since 1054 the pope declared his self as the main representative (replacer) of G-d on earth. He brought new teachings into his church, declaring that priests should shave their beards and may not be married? Before 1054 the priests in your part of Europe were wearing beards, were married and did not had a pope.

Catholicism is borned in 1054 and created by the Vatican and the pope.
The protestants separated their selves from the Catholics somewhere in the 14 century. Their founder was Marten Luther. In stead of going back to the original religion which kept the teachings of the church fathers, they, the protestants, invented a third form of new "Christianity" - which is today called Protestantism! In fact we Orthodox Christians have more in common with the Catholics than with the third party the Protestants.

I do not agree that Protestantism and Roman Catholicism are the apostolic Church of Jesus Christos - which was established by the apostles in the beginning of the new age.
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Re: The speech that introduced Joe Biden bashed Serbia
« Reply #8 on: September 07, 2008, 08:42:46 AM »
You have really great points, but...........

Uniting with Catholics is the same as uniting with Buddhists for example.
Further, if we unite with the Catholics than we should reject the original Christian faith - Orthodoxism. We can not compromise. We can not accept the authority of the pope. Why would we accept him as the replacement of Christos on earth? The New Testament is not teaching anything about a replacer of Christ!

How can Catholics and Protestants exist for 2000 years long?
Before 1054 the Western Church was almost the same as the Eastern.
Since 1054 the pope declared his self as the main representative (replacer) of G-d on earth. He brought new teachings into his church, declaring that priests should shave their beards and may not be married? Before 1054 the priests in your part of Europe were wearing beards, were married and did not had a pope.

Catholicism is borned in 1054 and created by the Vatican and the pope.
The protestants separated their selves from the Catholics somewhere in the 14 century. Their founder was Marten Luther. In stead of going back to the original religion which kept the teachings of the church fathers, they, the protestants, invented a third form of new "Christianity" - which is today called Protestantism! In fact we Orthodox Christians have more in common with the Catholics than with the third party the Protestants.

I do not agree that Protestantism and Roman Catholicism are the apostolic Church of Jesus Christos - which was established by the apostles in the beginning of the new age.

At least the Protestants don't have a pope, and their priests may marry.
I would make it simple, the pope rejects its claim of main representer on earth, and the arch-bishops of the east and west recognise eachother as equals. The theological differences are solved by readopting what wa teached prior to 1054. The rest doesn't matter.

I don't believe the difference in faith is as important as the differnces in national politics.
The Schisma in 1054 is a political ine, rather than a religious one.

The future will tell us what will happen.
Turkey must get out of NATO. NATO must get out of Kosovo-Serbia. Croats must get out of Crajina. All muslims must get out of Christian and Jewish land. Turks must get out of Cyprus. Turks must get out of "Istanbul". "Palestinians" must get out of Israel. Israel must become independent from USA.

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Re: The speech that introduced Joe Biden bashed Serbia
« Reply #9 on: September 07, 2008, 09:13:25 AM »
why won not Catholics and protestants go back to the roots of Christianity Orthodoxism?

Protestants have not a pope?
You are right they have nothing!
Even women can be priests in protestant communities!
They have nobody above them!
In the Serbs Orthodox Church the priests must respect the Vladika (bishop)
and the bishop must respect the I think eguman (episcope) and the final authority is in the hands of the Patriarch.

You se we have a structure, hierarchy.
Every position is under the control. To prevent that people start to interpret the bible and religion according to their opinion.
Protestants have no control or structure.
Everybody can become a priests in a protestant church@=
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Re: The speech that introduced Joe Biden bashed Serbia
« Reply #10 on: September 07, 2008, 09:43:12 AM »
why won not Catholics and protestants go back to the roots of Christianity Orthodoxism?

Protestants have not a pope?
You are right they have nothing!
Even women can be priests in protestant communities!
They have nobody above them!
In the Serbs Orthodox Church the priests must respect the Vladika (bishop)
and the bishop must respect the I think eguman (episcope) and the final authority is in the hands of the Patriarch.

You se we have a structure, hierarchy.
Every position is under the control. To prevent that people start to interpret the bible and religion according to their opinion.
Protestants have no control or structure.
Everybody can become a priests in a protestant church@=
I doubt you are right. Isn't the e.g. Queen of Danmark boss in the Dansk Folkkirche? Any protestants here to sort that out?
Turkey must get out of NATO. NATO must get out of Kosovo-Serbia. Croats must get out of Crajina. All muslims must get out of Christian and Jewish land. Turks must get out of Cyprus. Turks must get out of "Istanbul". "Palestinians" must get out of Israel. Israel must become independent from USA.

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Re: The speech that introduced Joe Biden bashed Serbia
« Reply #11 on: September 07, 2008, 12:32:29 PM »
Some Protestant churches are Liberal and are churches only in name, others have an abiding faith in God and seek to understand the Bible. The strength of structure in either says little. There are structured churches that are Liberal (Anglicans) and faithful ones that are unstructured (Assemblies of God).

The larger issue is the use of religion for political means. When church in nothing but politics, women can become priests and all prohibitions are broken.

The ideal is an intellectually coherent and informed structured church. Orthodoxy.
What I note is that sadly Orthodoxy has failed to grasp the imaginations of the flock whereas the less rigorous Catholics or Protestants have.
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Re: The speech that introduced Joe Biden bashed Serbia
« Reply #12 on: September 07, 2008, 12:40:01 PM »
You have 1000000000000 different protestant churches.
All of them claim to be the true Church..