Non-Jews in Israel and Torah?

[kahaneloyalist]

Guys (especially Yacov),

If (and when, I hope) Kahanists gain control of the Knesset and PM's office, what would policy be on non-Jewish establishments (i.e. the small minorities of Arab, Armenian, Russian, etc. Christians) that cater to non-Jews in the Holy Land? Would they be allowed to produce non-kashrut food items and operate on the Sabbath, or will all individuals be required to follow public Torah?

I know this should probably go in Ask Chaim, but I wanted some of your comments first.

Chaimfan

Goyim are only required to follow the Sheva Mitzvot Benai Noach, so they can ignore Kashrut and Shabbat. But there may still be restrictions to protect the Jewish nature of The State.

[Tzvi Ben Roshel1]

they publicly wouldnt be allowed to violate the rules of Shabb-t like drive on Shabb-t (unless if its a life risk) or wear immodest clothing in public, sell pork to Jews, etc.

[MarZutra]

I don't believe that they would have any National rights either but only personal rights...

[cosmokramer]

I think a non-Jew should be able to live in Israel and get certain rights. Have a differnt Identity cards for them. Blue for Jews and Red for Christians.

[MassuhDGoodName]

Re:  "...Why can't goyim drive on Shabbat? We need them as Shobbos goys..."

Call Rick Shaw.

[ReaganLiberal]

Why can't gentiles have rights? Jews have rights in gentile lands too.
I don't mind if Israel wants to keep itself Jewish, but Europeans countries should be allowed to preserve their ethnic character also; otherwise, you're a hypocrite.
I thought this site was about saving the West, and western civilization is about the sanctity of the individual. Communism is about the collective only and denying individual rights.

[Zionist Revolutionary]

Why can't gentiles have rights? Jews have rights in gentile lands too.
I don't mind if Israel wants to keep itself Jewish, but Europeans countries should be allowed to preserve their ethnic character also; otherwise, you're a hypocrite.

I would encourage Europeans to preserve their ethnic heritage.  Europe has invented and created so much for this world.  But Europe is throwing itself down the toilet now by letting in so many foreigners (I mean that in every sense of the word), it may be too late for that.

[MarZutra]

Why can't gentiles have rights? Jews have rights in gentile lands too.
I don't mind if Israel wants to keep itself Jewish, but Europeans countries should be allowed to preserve their ethnic character also; otherwise, you're a hypocrite.
I thought this site was about saving the West, and western civilization is about the sanctity of the individual. Communism is about the collective only and denying individual rights.

You are correct.  The Christian West has certain religious and cultural specificities that it demands from its people as does Judaism.  Judaism places the need for Israel to be a Jewish nation, with Jewish culture, Jewish education and Jewish Laws that respect/founded within/on the Torah. 

Unlike Islam, that demands the entire World become Muslim or subjugated to Sharia Law, Judaism requires just that tiny piece of Land be Jewish while the rest of the World can be whatever it deems, G-d willing righteous gentile ruled.  The internal rulings, as I understand it to be, is that non-Jews have full individual rights which opposes what you had stated about Communism/Collectivism.  This is too opposite to the Mapai, Kibbutzim/Jewish Communes started by the Jewish Socialist/Labor Zionists.  National rights are therefor seen to be for the Jewish Nation and individual rights to be for its Jewish and non-Jewish citizens.   

[RationalThought110]

Guys (especially Yacov),

If (and when, I hope) Kahanists gain control of the Knesset and PM's office, what would policy be on non-Jewish establishments (i.e. the small minorities of Arab, Armenian, Russian, etc. Christians) that cater to non-Jews in the Holy Land? Would they be allowed to produce non-kashrut food items and operate on the Sabbath, or will all individuals be required to follow public Torah?

I know this should probably go in Ask Chaim, but I wanted some of your comments first.

Chaimfan

Goyim are only required to follow the Sheva Mitzvot Benai Noach, so they can ignore Kashrut and Shabbat. But there may still be restrictions to protect the Jewish nature of The State.

Israel shouldn't sell any food products that don't follow Kashrut laws.

[MarZutra]

I agree....  The sad fact, like every nation should advocate of its citizens, is the Freedom to choose......to leave...  No country should bend over and pass new legislation that specifically targets "minorities".  Here in Canada it is a total mess. The "Invisible Majority" has no real rights/freedoms because they continue to be stomped on, changed or just plain violated/deleted to cater to the "visible minorities".  This problem, G-d willing will not happen in a Jewish Israel.... 

As Rabbi Kahane states under Torah, the Non-Jew will be free to live there with certain personal rights but will not have National rights; Voting for example.  I think this is a good way for every country to be quite honest.  It would largely eliminate the power of the Socialist Judges and Communist Lobby Groups....  my 2 cents..

[RationalThought110]

Why can't goyim drive on Shabbat? We need them as Shobbos goys.

What do you need them to do?

[RationalThought110]

I agree....  The sad fact, like every nation should advocate of its citizens, is the Freedom to choose......to leave...  No country should bend over and pass new legislation that specifically targets "minorities".  Here in Canada it is a total mess. The "Invisible Majority" has no real rights/freedoms because they continue to be stomped on, changed or just plain violated/deleted to cater to the "visible minorities".  This problem, G-d willing will not happen in a Jewish Israel.... 

As Rabbi Kahane states under Torah, the Non-Jew will be free to live there with certain personal rights but will not have National rights; Voting for example.  I think this is a good way for every country to be quite honest.  It would largely eliminate the power of the Socialist Judges and Communist Lobby Groups....  my 2 cents..

See the thread in the general section about Mexico's government.  They keep making demands on the US so like most people in Canada, their rights/freedoms to cater to the "illegal aliens." 

[mord]

  Gentiles should get medical treatment just like Jews in Israel .Moslems should not get treatment however

[MarZutra]

Fruit, that is a bit harsh my friend.  I beleive the Torah, but more so the Talmud, state that Gentiles are allowed to live within Israel providing they accept 3 conditions (which Rabbi Kahane states in "Why Be Jewish" interview....on GoogleVideo)  If gentiles live by the Laws of Noah I do feel that they should stay but any prost'tizing within Eretz should be a criminal offense justified by either deportion or worse as any Jew leaving their faith is an abomination to HaShem. 

I do not remember the exact Rabbinical Rulings for Gentiles in Israel but they are logical and moral I do remember.  Israel must out right Annex all religious properties within its borders and tear down ALL of the mosques and send them to Arabia where they belong. 

The Christians have many nations and it is up to them to rid themselves of Muslims and Socialist/Communists/Elitists subversives within their midst as should Israel.  Israel needs to be foremost a Jewish Nation...  Christians should not be executed by given a logical and moral choice: Abide by these three conditions or leave.   my .2cents...   

[mord]

But for Fruit there is an exemption,he can dwell in Israel Just as the Ethiopian Jews