Why do Jewish women have to be so Damn Liberal?

[OdKahaneChai]

you can buy it on Amazon or Abe books... 

Well, Amazons only has the first volume and Abe books only has used ones.

[jo-bella]

     part of the problem as i see it here, is the location of where one  ' is' in order to be geographically challenged so to speak. For example, where i live, there are not many jewish males from which to choose from. the ones that are available are liberal and/or reform. they are jewish in name only so to speak. This puts us females/males in a connumdrum. Either you move to a more appropriate place to meet the kind of right wing person you are seeking or are left out in the cold.
     I, because of my age, 51, will most likely remain single for the rest of my life now. While this dismays me to some extent, i can not relocate for financial reasons like many on here are unable to do so also.
     If one is truly looking for a right wing spouse, they would do well to search places like crown heights, brooklyn or borough park, Israel, etc. depending upon what you seek.

     I think most dating sites are fraught with liars, cons, non-jews posing as jews in order to hope to find someone who will not care ( i have heard gentile females seeking a jewish male simply because they have heard they make better partners and visa-versa) and people who claim to be people something they are not.
     For the most part, right wing sites are your best bet instead of places like jdate ( yeeccch) and the others. Temple organizations may be of help to make arrangments shiddichs or push you in the right direction at least. it helps to let others know that you are looking for a particular type.
     at least I had a chance at it and have a 22 yr old son who i am grateful for Hashem gave me. There is a place called twentyfoursix.com that is a networking place that seems to be for more religious or right wingers but i do not know what kind of success anyone has had on there.
     as we women age, and gain more knowledge, many of us become more right wing as we gain some wisdom hopefully. it also depends upon the upbringing from the womans family. What we have seen here is a dumbing down of USA jews and women in favor for a secular upbringing and the idea to have it all from the 1960-70's by betty friedan's book, 'the femine mystique'.

     that and coupled with economic need for many women the need to work for 2 incomes to get by in this day and age from inflation woes has caused women to forgo religion for more economic moves. much to our chagrin, this has backfired/backlashed to some extent and left many women forgoing family values and children. This is also owed to the fact that this society/ America, is considered developed and population appears to have evened out.

[Shlomo]

Jo-bella, excellent post. I hope you start posting in here more often. Good stuff.

[Lisa]

I agree with Jeff.  It's also nice to see another woman post here.

[jo-bella]

thank you jeff and lisa
     I studied this idea also and wondered why the same thing myself. sadly i was a apart of the female generation that was sold a bill of goods for the trade off of ''achievement'' vs ''family values & religion''. And the left wingers who thought places like Israel and Judiasm were no longer relevant or taboo in this so-called modern era. I remember my own mother telling me no one goes to Israel in their right mind when i was in my teens....she alone turned me off to the idea and the entire notion of judaism and basically would make fun of people who were religious. Later on in life, i think she regreted this way of thinking when she saw how misguided some of her children turned out.....my cousin had it much worse than i did in california.

sadly, we lost much along the way of ''women's lib'' and the burning of the bra era during the 1960's, protests, etc., birth control pill, and abortion rights in 1969. The one person who was responsible for the deciding vote in favor of the 1969 ruling in roe v. wade in ny, was roberta krupsak, who was a deciding vote. her vote alone passed the bill for nys.

in response to women not wanting to be so religious anymore during this era, they actually demanded the men stop being so religious also. this created a vicious cycle. women wanted a more secular lifestyle, abandoned and actually made fun of religious men and we began marrying outside to intergrate. this happened all within less than 70 years if you count from the first wave during the 1880's to the usa/canada.....the second wave of immgration was 1900's.

Also this way of thinking was carried from the old country too though, reform judaism began in germany and many germans came to usa/canada and brought with them this way of thinking. a new country, a new way of thinking to cast off anti-semetism.

all it  did was substitute money for religion, and left us even more aling for our Hashem.
american/canadians females jews became spoiled and worshiped money for those who abandoned the religious thinking. now we see the fall out as to what is left for conservative, reform, jews. I became a victim of the same thinking until i wondered what it was that i was missing in my life.....sadly for me it is too late because i am too old now and my child bearing years have long since left me. I can however be a living testament to what happens when you choose a secular lifetstyle. you miss out greatly on a joyus relation with our creator......

[MarZutra]

Shalom Jo-Bella.  Good to see you here posting and bringing more logic, facts and morality....   Very good.  I agree with your perception and your reasoning.  In short would you agree that it is the ideology of the Leftist: Socialist/Utopian/Liberal/nazi/Commie/Athiest/Gnostic agenda that is responsible for this digression?  Seems to me, when looking at the realities of the world in both the political and social arenas the world is not following the Laws of Moses of a morally based teaching/structure but more so comparable to the "progression" of each pillar Marx labelled in his "Manifesto" no? 

Very good post JB...  Glad to see you here..  PS: I left a very good post to Gozerim that you will enjoy..

[Shlomo]

Wow... I'm sure that was difficult to write and thank you for sharing something so humble, honest, and personal.

I don't even know what to say. That was very deep. You are very intelligent and wise.

[saintaugusto]

Thank you, jo-bella.

Finally, some logical and first-hand, unbiased account in this thread.

[jo-bella]

Hi to all. Yes sadly our mothers and fathers brainwashed us into thinking this was the new and modern era.
and in response to MZ, yes the marxist/commie/leftist/anti religion  regime is to blame for sure especially even more so during the mccarthy era when he was trying to expose legit commies like famous artist kent rockwell, he was one of the worst ones and others. This country is /has gone to the dogs.
We need someone like Kahane in office for Israel to have even half a chance. I can see down the pike a nuke war to decrease the surplus population in the middle east but at the cost and expense of losing many jews if we dont have someone really good to intervene and take charge of our homeland soon.
and why is it that russia and china have become so dam quiet with all this going on in the world? makes you wonder doesnt it?

another thought on the reaction to women taking on the role of feminist instead of mother/wife.

it helped men to get lost really. they did not know where the boundaries were anymore and where they fit into the scheme ofthings and upset the status quo. men were being thrown away like garbage. shameful. men i think in response to this began to drink as a means of escaping the unknown game rules now in to play. they went form being breadwinner and father husbands to outcasts in society. it made the mfeel very inscure and disposable.

looking back in my life, i would have like nothing more than to have been a loving spouse/partner to a jewish rightful man and to have a nice large family with core set of traditions in judaism and someone that i could have grown old with early on say aged 20. I did  not want to have to look endlessly for men. i think my upbringing corrupted me into thinking that being a feminist was the end all and be all. it is not. itis a lie. it is a hollow victory at best. we women have won nothing but loneliness and put men off.

it made many of us outsiders to ourselves. all this crap about free love and sex and rock and roll/divorce  is a load of poop. it is an empty life with very little meaning. at the end of the day, abortion sexual revolution free sex and feminist beliefs sold us down the river as females, estranged men from our lives, and displaced the gender roles into blurry charades.....

[mord]

I left a very good post to Gozerim that you will enjoy..

Boy do i dislike that weasel i wish i could meet him face to face

[MarZutra]

Very good post JB. Thank you for affirming my origional position.  "Ignorance and arrogance are the poisons of the Liberal mind." - MK

[jo-bella]

I left a very good post to Gozerim that you will enjoy..

Boy do i dislike that weasel i wish i could meet him face to face

i cant stand to read any more of what ever drivel he espouses.......IMHO i think he must be one very self-loathing jew or not a jew at all but someone posing as a jew to incite the forum. his taste in music that he expressed on my thread i began proves his slant i thought towards arab suffering and maybe i did not interpret it right but i thought it was pro-arabic mostly. he fails to realize the PA bring on all this themselves b/c they choose not to move on and will not agree to peaceful terms.

[MarZutra]

What is the PA...lol  Of course, they're Arabs/Muslims.  The fight and massacre their own.  PLO/A is like all others Arab terrorist groups.  The sad fact is that their validation came with Jimmy Carter and their affirmation into a "political party" came with the vulgar debauched moral leper of a man: Bill Clinton.  May Israel hurry up and truly liberate ALL of Eretz and send those Arabians back to Arabia..... 

[jo-bella]

right MZ.....they expelled  all jews from europe and arabic countries so they in turn should now go back to where they came from logically to their own homeland and leave us and ours alone. they will not though. 23 nations of islam is more than enough for this world to bear. they are filled with such venom that they only way to get rid of them is by nuking them ; you can not teach these people any level of tolerance becasue it is not in their nature to understand it or want to understand it. all they understand is violence so give them what they understand. when you have arabs who are allowed to have 4 wives and make upwards of 50 kids they over breed on purpose so that they know if they lose 25 kids they dont care. iti s all in the numbers.
you can not reason with people like this, ever. dont bother to try it has been tried before. they are emotionally programmed to not understand anything of value. their koran believes in worship to the moon

[MarZutra]

I'm in favor of turning Arabia into one slick glass parking lot.  There are no "civilians".  98% of Bolistinians and 97% of Lebanese (from their own polls) support Hizbollah/Hamas in destroying Israel and throwing the Jews into the sea.  Israel must say enough is enough no matter what the EU, UN, Britian, America, China or Russia...and truly liberate ALL of OUR land. 

The Arabs/Muslims are only good for cannon fodder.  They've already had much practice blowing themselves up....so we should finnish their job for them no?    Bastards!!

[RationalThought110]

I cannot confirm that Socialism is more feministic than, lets say, Capitalism. Do not forget, there was no Sexual Revolution in Communist countries. Erotica and pornography were simply banned there. In fact, Western-made erotic & porn movies were considered one of the tools of struggle for the destruction of Soviet Union by the West.

Export of the so-called American way of life to third world countries is deemed to be very "effective" in demoralizing masses.

Secular progressive  wanted to weaken morality. 

[RationalThought110]

MarZutra, you are saying that Jewishness is determined by mother. I know, this notion prevails in nowadays. I spoke to a couple of Rabbis, and no one could clearly define the source of it. When I mentioned how Abraham converted his family members and slaves/servants by circumsizing men and doing nothing with women, they (the rabbis) were utterly confused. Indeed those women became Jewish automatically.

Using this logic, the father must be Jewish for a kid to be Jewish.

Interesting analysis. 

I've concluded that both parents need to be Jewish for a kid to be Jewish.  The reform movement, by claiming it's only necessary for one parent to be Jewish, is attempting to give people an excuse to intermarry.  This is wrong. 

[RationalThought110]

thank you jeff and lisa
     I studied this idea also and wondered why the same thing myself. sadly i was a apart of the female generation that was sold a bill of goods for the trade off of ''achievement'' vs ''family values & religion''. And the left wingers who thought places like Israel and Judiasm were no longer relevant or taboo in this so-called modern era. I remember my own mother telling me no one goes to Israel in their right mind when i was in my teens....she alone turned me off to the idea and the entire notion of judaism and basically would make fun of people who were religious. Later on in life, i think she regreted this way of thinking when she saw how misguided some of her children turned out.....my cousin had it much worse than i did in california.

sadly, we lost much along the way of ''women's lib'' and the burning of the bra era during the 1960's, protests, etc., birth control pill, and abortion rights in 1969. The one person who was responsible for the deciding vote in favor of the 1969 ruling in roe v. wade in ny, was roberta krupsak, who was a deciding vote. her vote alone passed the bill for nys.

in response to women not wanting to be so religious anymore during this era, they actually demanded the men stop being so religious also. this created a vicious cycle. women wanted a more secular lifestyle, abandoned and actually made fun of religious men and we began marrying outside to intergrate. this happened all within less than 70 years if you count from the first wave during the 1880's to the usa/canada.....the second wave of immgration was 1900's.

Also this way of thinking was carried from the old country too though, reform judaism began in germany and many germans came to usa/canada and brought with them this way of thinking. a new country, a new way of thinking to cast off anti-semetism.

all it  did was substitute money for religion, and left us even more aling for our Hashem.
american/canadians females jews became spoiled and worshiped money for those who abandoned the religious thinking. now we see the fall out as to what is left for conservative, reform, jews. I became a victim of the same thinking until i wondered what it was that i was missing in my life.....sadly for me it is too late because i am too old now and my child bearing years have long since left me. I can however be a living testament to what happens when you choose a secular lifetstyle. you miss out greatly on a joyus relation with our creator......

Is this liberal group in CA proseltyzing?   

http://www.jewishjournal.com/home/preview.php?id=17668


You said you have a kid.  Are you divorced or did you adopt?

[MarZutra]

The Tribe runs through the Father and the Jewishness runs through the Mother.  This is Torah and Talmudic teachings which is very clear.  When was the Torah given?  Who was it given to?  Why was it given?  Reform is not Judaism at all it was formed by a member of the inner circle of the Jewish Communist: Bund which has the goals of eliminating morality, G-d, nation etc. via "divide and conquer" a Marxian/Sun Tsu (art of war) concept.  Thus, Abraham Geiger with the aid of the Oppenhimers, Schiffs, Warbergs and Rothschilds funded this egalitarian Socialist "Reform Judaism".  What does Judaism say about Homosexuality?  What is Judaism's idea of Nation?  What is Judaism's belief in Sinai, Torah, Talmud and G-d?  What does Judaism teach about intermarriage? Compare this with all the leftist/socialist/utopian garbage spewed by the "progressive" Reform movement.  The intermarriage rate of Reform "Jews" is over 90% while Conservative is about 50%.  Orthodox and "Ultra-Orthodox" is under 5%.....  just one example...

[saintaugusto]

MarZutra, you are saying that Jewishness is determined by mother. I know, this notion prevails in nowadays. I spoke to a couple of Rabbis, and no one could clearly define the source of it. When I mentioned how Abraham converted his family members and slaves/servants by circumsizing men and doing nothing with women, they (the rabbis) were utterly confused. Indeed those women became Jewish automatically.

Using this logic, the father must be Jewish for a kid to be Jewish.

Interesting analysis. 

I've concluded that both parents need to be Jewish for a kid to be Jewish.  The reform movement, by claiming it's only necessary for one parent to be Jewish, is attempting to give people an excuse to intermarry.  This is wrong. 

I absolutely agree. Both parents need to be Jewsih. But it is also wrong to say that if only the mother is Jewish, that's enough for a kid to be Jewish.

And even providing that both parents are Jewish doesn't guarantee that the kid will be raised as Jewish. And thus a child needs to be raised as Jewish for him/her to be Jewish.

[MarZutra]

This is idiotic and only displays a total lack of Torah/Talmudic and/or Jewish knowledge.  I doubt that you are a Jew at all but another ignoramus Stormfronter here just trying to get a response. 

[saintaugusto]

MarZutra, my debate with you is long over. And then you say I insult you. Keep your opinion to youself and peace will be.

[MarZutra]

Dude there was no debate.  Perhaps you might care to scroll back a few pages on this thread to remind yourself of your past statements.  It wasn't I who was hiding his "Jewishness"....  How "Jewish" of you?  How honorable?  What a moral thing to do, try to deceive fellow Jews.  "Keep your opinion to yourself and peace will be."  What's that supposed to mean?  Oy veh....

[saintaugusto]

Dude, you deceived youself trying to guess my ethnicity.

Why should it matter anyway? There is only one truth, right? No matter who the speaker is.

[Allen-t fan]

Because.