Author Topic: House narrowly passes landmark health care bill  (Read 726 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline Americanhero1

  • Silver Star JTF Member
  • ********
  • Posts: 7617
  • I ain't going anywhere
House narrowly passes landmark health care bill
« on: November 07, 2009, 11:10:36 PM »
WASHINGTON – In a victory for President Barack Obama, the Democratic-controlled House narrowly passed landmark health care legislation Saturday night to expand coverage to tens of millions who lack it and place tough new restrictions on the insurance industry. Republican opposition was nearly unanimous.

The 220-215 vote cleared the way for the Senate to begin debate on the issue that has come to overshadow all others in Congress.

A triumphant Speaker Nancy Pelosi likened the legislation to the passage of Social Security in 1935 and Medicare 30 years later.

"It provides coverage for 96 percent of Americans. It offers everyone, regardless of health or income, the peace of mind that comes from knowing they will have access to affordable health care when they need it," said Rep. John Dingell, the 83-year-old Michigan lawmaker who has introduced national health insurance in every Congress since succeeding his father in 1955.

In the run-up to a final vote, conservatives from the two political parties joined forces to impose tough new restrictions on abortion coverage in insurance policies to be sold to many individuals and small groups. They prevailed on a roll call of 240-194.

Ironically, that only solidified support for the legislation, clearing the way for conservative Democrats to vote for it.

The legislation would require most Americans to carry insurance and provide federal subsidies to those who otherwise could not afford it. Large companies would have to offer coverage to their employees. Both consumers and companies would be slapped with penalties if they defied the government's mandates.

Insurance industry practices such as denying coverage on the basis of pre-existing medical conditions would be banned, and insurers would no longer be able to charge higher premiums on the basis of gender or medical history. In a further slap, the industry would lose its exemption from federal antitrust restrictions on price gouging, bid rigging and market allocation.

A cheer went up from the Democratic side of the House when the bill gained 218 votes, a majority. Moments later, Democrats counted down the final seconds of the voting period in unison, and and let loose an even louder roar when Pelosi grabbed the gavel and declared, "the bill is passed.'

From the Senate, Majority Leader Harry Reid of Nevada issued a statement saying, "We realize the strong will for reform that exists, and we are energized that we stand closer than ever to reforming our broken health insurance system."

The bill drew the votes of 219 Democrats and Rep. Joseph Cao, a first-term Republican who holds an overwhelmingly Democratic seat in New Orleans. Opposed were 176 Republicans and 39 Democrats.

Nearly unanimous in their opposition, minority Republicans cataloged their objections across hours of debate on the 1,990-page, $1.2 trillion legislation.

United in opposition, minority Republicans cataloged their objections across hours of debate on the 1,990-page, $1.2 trillion legislation.

"We are going to have a complete government takeover of our health care system faster than you can say, `this is making me sick,'" jabbed Rep. Candice Miller, R-Mich., adding that Democrats were intent on passing "a jobs-killing, tax-hiking, deficit-exploding" bill.

But with little doubt about the outcome, the rhetoric lacked the fire of last summer's town hall meetings, when some critics accused Democrats of plotting "death panels" to hasten the demise of senior citizens.

The legislation would require most Americans to carry insurance and provide federal subsidies to those who otherwise could not afford it. Large companies would have to offer coverage to their employees. Both consumers and companies would be slapped with penalties if they defied the government's mandates.

Insurance industry practices such as denying coverage on the basis of pre-existing medical conditions would be banned, and insurers would no longer be able to charge higher premiums on the basis of gender or medical history. In a further slap, the industry would lose its exemption from federal antitrust restrictions on price gouging, bid rigging and market allocation.

At its core, the measure would create a federally regulated marketplace where consumers could shop for coverage. In the bill's most controversial provision, the government would sell insurance, although the Congressional Budget Office forecasts that premiums for it would be more expensive than for policies sold by private firms.

The bill is projected to expand coverage to 36 million uninsured, resulting in 96 percent of the nation's eligible population having insurance.

To pay for the expansion of coverage, the bill cuts Medicare's projected spending by more than $400 billion over a decade. It also imposes a tax surcharge of 5.4 percent on income over $500,000 in the case of individuals and $1 million for families.

The bill was estimated to reduce federal deficits by about $104 billion over a decade, although it lacked two of the key cost-cutting provisions under consideration in the Senate, and its longer-term impact on government red ink was far from clear.

Democrats lined up a range of outside groups behind their legislation, none more important than the AARP, whose support promises political cover against the cuts to Medicare in next year's congressional elections.

The nation's drug companies generally support health care overhaul. And while the powerful insurance industry opposed the legislation, it did so quietly, and the result was that Republicans could not count on the type of advertising campaign that might have peeled away skittish Democrats in swing districts.

Over all, the bill envisioned the most sweeping set of changes to the health care system in more than a generation, and Democrats said it marked the culmination of a campaign that Harry Truman began when he sat in the White House 60 years ago.

Debate on the House floor had already begun when Obama strode into a closed-door meeting of the Democratic rank and file across the street from the Capitol to make a final personal appeal to them to pass his top domestic priority.

Later, in an appearance at the White House, he said he had told lawmakers, "to rise to this moment. Answer the call of history, and vote yes for health insurance reform for America."

Participants also said Obama had referred to this week's shooting rampage at Fort Hood, Texas, in which 13 people were killed. His remarks put in perspective that the hardships soldiers endure for the country are "what sacrifice really is," as opposed to "casting a vote that might lose an election for you," said Rep. Robert Andrews, D-N.J.

It appeared that a compromise brokered Friday night on the volatile issue of abortion had finally secured the votes needed to pass the legislation.

As drafted, the measure denied the use of federal subsidies to purchase abortion coverage in policies sold by private insurers in the new insurance exchange, except in cases of incest, rape or when the life of the mother was in danger.

But abortion foes won far stronger restrictions that would rule out abortion coverage except in those three categories in any government-sold plan. It would also ban abortion coverage in any private plan purchased by consumers receiving federal subsidies.

Disappointed Democratic abortion rights supporters grumbled about the turn of events, but pulled back quickly from any thought of opposing the health care bill in protest.

One, Rep. Jan Schakowsky, D-Ill., detailed numerous other benefits for women in the bill, including free medical preventive services and better prescription drug coverage under Medicare. "Women need health care reform," she concluded in remarks on the House floor.

A Republican alternative was rejected on a near party line vote of 258-176.

It relied heavily on loosening regulations on private insurers to reduce costs for those who currently have insurance, in some cases by as much as 10 percent. But congressional budget analysts said the plan would make no dent in the ranks of the uninsured, an assessment that highlighted the difference in priorities between the two political parties.

It was a theme of Obama's remarks to Democrats at midmorning.

The president said Democrats have a 70-year history of creating and defending programs like Social Security and Medicare, Andrews said afterward, adding Obama had said the day's vote "is going to define the difference between the Republican and Democratic parties for decades."
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_health_care_overhaul

Offline cjd

  • Silver Star JTF Member
  • ********
  • Posts: 8996
Re: House narrowly passes landmark health care bill
« Reply #1 on: November 07, 2009, 11:34:10 PM »
A triumphant Speaker Nancy Pelosi likened the legislation to the passage of Social Security in 1935 and Medicare 30 years later.

Both systems are very close to bankruptcy. Government control of the medical insurance industry and a soon to come one payer medical system will cure everything. Once the government calls the shots on who gets what medical services they will be in control of who gets to stay and who needs to go. A person on SSI collects for a few years and gets sick there will be no treatment for them... When they croak the government will get to stop paying them out and save on years of entitlements. The government will soon have a a nice new tool to get right down to the bottom of the taxpayers pockets. When it time for them to pay people back they can kill them off and move on.
He who overlooks one crime invites the commission of another.        Syrus.

A light on to the nations for 60 years


Offline Dr. Dan

  • Forum Administrator
  • Gold Star JTF Member
  • *
  • Posts: 12593
Re: House narrowly passes landmark health care bill
« Reply #2 on: November 07, 2009, 11:49:16 PM »
oh that's just great!!!  Now my tax dollars are going to pay for Brazilia's open heart surgery!!!!!! :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(
If someone says something bad about you, say something nice about them. That way, both of you would be lying.

In your heart you know WE are right and in your guts you know THEY are nuts!

"Science without religion is lame; Religion without science is blind."  - Albert Einstein

Offline HiWarp

  • Master JTFer
  • ******
  • Posts: 1867
Re: House narrowly passes landmark health care bill
« Reply #3 on: November 08, 2009, 05:17:43 AM »
A triumphant Speaker Nancy Pelosi likened the legislation to the passage of Social Security in 1935 and Medicare 30 years later.

And we know how well that's worked out for everyone.

Quote
It also imposes a tax surcharge of 5.4 percent on income over $500,000 in the case of individuals and $1 million for families.

If this ever passes the Senate and is implemented, I would be curious to see how long it would be before the 5.4 begins to go up and the $500,000/$1 million begin to go down.
"When the people fear their government, there is tyranny;
when the government fears the people, there is liberty.”
---Thomas Jefferson

Offline cjd

  • Silver Star JTF Member
  • ********
  • Posts: 8996
Re: House narrowly passes landmark health care bill
« Reply #4 on: November 08, 2009, 06:12:11 AM »
If this ever passes the Senate and is implemented, I would be curious to see how long it would be before the 5.4 begins to go up and the $500,000/$1 million begin to go down.


Can't the people see that the facts on the table change every day and what they see is not what they are going to get. This garbage is all open ended and will be revised a million times costing more and more each time and giving less and less. Three things are being put in place here. The first is the seeds of a one payer system. Rest assured that if this goes through this is what 98% of all Americans will eventually be pushed into. Second, is the ability of the government to tax at will.... They are setting themselves up to dictate the costs and mandate that everyone pays them or else!! This would have about 75 to 80% of all income in America flowing through Washington's  filthy hands. The third and most likely not the last is the fact that they will then be in control of who gets what. Think your old age retirement is going to be long and comfortable?? The government may have different ideas.
He who overlooks one crime invites the commission of another.        Syrus.

A light on to the nations for 60 years


Offline Debbie Shafer

  • Ultimate JTFer
  • *******
  • Posts: 4317
Re: House narrowly passes landmark health care bill
« Reply #5 on: November 08, 2009, 12:28:43 PM »
I heard John Boehner say that Pelosi will try and re-institute abortion in the bill after all the voting.  These people do not understand how mad constituents are about forcing this bill down our throats!

Offline New Yorker

  • Ultimate JTFer
  • *******
  • Posts: 2694
Re: House narrowly passes landmark health care bill
« Reply #6 on: November 08, 2009, 12:40:32 PM »


This will not stand, Americans will not have it.
Nuke the arabs till they glow, then shoot them in the dark.

Offline Shiptar

  • Full JTFer
  • ***
  • Posts: 107
Re: House narrowly passes landmark health care bill
« Reply #7 on: November 08, 2009, 03:17:47 PM »
This means nothing--it wont pass in the Senate cause the Dems in conservative areas know theyll be out of work, like Corzine and Deeds, if they go along. They wouldnt get even 50 votes as the bill is now.