Why I Haven't Been Posting

[Baltimore]

I think that Nik should come back as well as Marzutra and also Scriabin & Josh. 

I agree with that statement.

[Spiraling Leopard]

It's not the Jews... The Black Pope and the Jesuites are behind everything!

Well, I believe I remember an expression Sammy Davis Jr. used from time to time in his shows " That black stuff is taking over the world" It's to bad he didn't live to see America's first few black presidents  ...My eyes must be going however because the Pope looked white to me the last time I saw him on the TV... I guess he's had the Michael Jackson process... With all that ill gotten wealth stored in the bowls of old Vatican City anything is possible 

The black pope is actually a white guy with blond/white hair. He's pretty big in the conspiracy world.

I thought sammy davis jr was a satanist like frank sinatra...

[Kahane-Was-Right BT]

Lubab has always been a fabulous debater. He is even nicer in person, and a handsome young strapping chap.
The Hebew forum fight like crazy and its great.  Makes for fun.
I think that Nik should come back as well as Marzutra and also Scriabin & Josh.  I miss these fellows funny arguments.

This is a Jewish forum, Most Catholics are not really Vatican friendly. On Christian Jewish friendly forums, they discuss things they dont like about Judaism, and the forum that I go to once in awhile stats go up and people join, b/c of the livliness.

If Lubab thinks that 9/11 had evil undertones, Lubab lives in America, where we are allowed FREE SPEECH, even speech we dont agree with.

Maybe you should all have a Category that says, THE EVIL IN THE OLIGARCHY, UP FOR SPECULATION.

This post misses the point.

Free speech allows the right to say something stupid and baseless, without a doubt.   However, it may be detracting from our forum to allow certain stupid and baseless statements to be made here about the US govt supposedly carrying out 9/11 like the truth-tards claim.   I assert that that does detract from the forum.  Anyone is free to take up a bullhorn and say it from rooftops, make videos about it, and do whatever they want.   And G-d knows there are many people doing exactly that.   But let's leave their petty and irrational arguments off this particular forum.   Not because it's allowed or disallowed by the constitution.  For other reasons.

What do you mean exactly by "evil undertones?"   Is that a codeword to excuse irrational accusations that George W. Bush carried out 9/11 and framed up a bunch of innocent Saudi muslims?  Because those are the type of baseless and dishonest accusations that I do NOT think should be propagated here.

[MassuhDGoodName]

Seems like good loyal Israeli Jews are forbidden to speak their minds about Israeli officials, and the only organization which represents good loyal Jews in the U.S.A. forbids Jews to speak their minds about their officials here.

Strikes me as the heart of hypocrisy, especially considering that the Leftists in Israel denounce Chaim as a "conspiracy lunatic" "right-wing extremist" who is so insane that he actually believes there is both a Shabak conspiracy against the nationalist and religious Jews of Israel as well as an internationalist conspiracy to create a terror state inside Eretz Yisrael.

The Israeli Left claims this is all the proof they need to ban Chaim from stepping foot on Israeli soil.

And by the way, they also denounced and treated Rabbi Meir Kahane in this fashion.

I have no use for lunatic rantings without substance, regardless of the source.

But that being said, facts are facts, and when people are able to show documentation and sworn testimony to back up their allegations, I am always willing to look, listen, and consider the possibilities.

How in the world can we on this forum denounce American Jewish politicians, American Jewish self-appointed "spokespersons", American Jewish attorneys, and hundreds of other Jews, constantly accusing them [and correctly so] of being part of a huge cabal conspiracy with George Soros, the Globalists, Obama, and others, and then say that "discussion of the unanswered questions surrounding the events of 9/11 is forbidden because such talk might implicate one or more Jews as being guilty of a crime?

I reiterate my position:  "Strikes me as the heart of hypocrisy...".

In the U.S.A. only individuals are prosecuted and tried for crimes -- we don't try and prosecute entire ethnicities or races simply because a handful might be involved in criminal activity.

I say members should feel free to speak their minds openly, providing that they can properly document any allegations made against others, and let the chips fall where they may.

To do otherwise gives the appearance of impropriety:  as if some individual or group has something to hide.

[Kahane-Was-Right BT]

"discussion of the unanswered questions surrounding the events of 9/11 is forbidden because such talk might implicate one or more Jews as being guilty of a crime? 

Nobody said this.  This argument is irrelevant.   Was that some kind of Freudian slip on your part?   It has absolutely no relation to anything I've said here.

Questions, which have been answered, but some people do not like the answers because of their a priori convictions, can hardly be called "Unanswered" questions.

[Kahane-Was-Right BT]

9/11 Troof is something insane, dishonest, deceptive, irrational, and disproved by science and other empirical data.   It makes us look like morons to promote it on this site, plain and simple.   It is similar to when ben M the nazi promoted white supremacism and nazism on the site until he was finally banned.   If people mistake his views for those of JTF, it makes JTF look like a joke.

[Dr. Dan]

The burden of proof for 9/11 is that it was caused by a bunch of pissed off Muslims. There is nothing else out there to prove anyone else was behind it.

Nuff said. Kwbrt is right like he is a lot of the time. I would give him the title of someone smart and logical on this forum 

[AsheDina]

Codeword?  What are you talking about? And Bush? he was TERRIBLE.
I already KNOW who did 9/11.  I dont care WHO talks what, I cannot be convinced of it being someone else, BUT Moslems.

They ARE Oligarchs that are in charge, rich oligarchs in EVERY single govt, you cannot deny this.

Do what you all want, I dont care, I fight for free speech, even if it sucks.

[muman613]

He said the very same thing I said... That this is not the place for conspiracy theories..

http://jtf.org/forum_english/index.php/topic,48082.msg457957.html#msg457957

[Rubystars]

I have no reason to doubt that Muslims were responsible for 9/11. I believe it was definitely an act of Islamic terrorism. However there are a lot of other issues that I find to be interesting connected to corrupt corporate power, new world order stuff.

[AsheDina]

Well, then we are in good company, Obama wants any and all "Conspiracy Theories" OFF the net, so, Obama is OUR Prez!

Sorry, there are some things that are true, and people CALL it "conspiracy"

For ie: There were TWO shooters at FT HOOD, I covered it. I had a high military ranking man give me the 3 sites, and EYEWITNESS accounts that showed me there were TWO shooters, and there were TWO, but the MSM covered the story.

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhh, Conspiracy!

Well, Some people focus on that stuff, and dabble.  Ludab is not a self-hating Jew and def does NOT blame Jews for 9/11, if that is what everyone is REALLY getting at.

Well, its all up to you, but I just dont post on those issues, so they dont bother me, Chaim will make the choice, however, I will respect it, but if it DOES come up, I will stand with Lubab, as I stood with Nik AND Lubab when this shook down last time and we LOST Kahanists.

[Kahane-Was-Right BT]

Codeword?  What are you talking about? And Bush? he was TERRIBLE.
I already KNOW who did 9/11.  I dont care WHO talks what, I cannot be convinced of it being someone else, BUT Moslems.

They ARE Oligarchs that are in charge, rich oligarchs in EVERY single govt, you cannot deny this.

Do what you all want, I dont care, I fight for free speech, even if it sucks.

Aishdina, let us please be clear about this.

When you support Lubab's intention to drop moderator status in order to speak "freely and openly" about 9/11, You are arguing for his "right" to promote 9/11 conspiracy theory on this site, which includes exonerating the Muslim animals who did it and accusing Bush as a govt conspiracy instead.

Yet, the way you phrase your statements, it is as if you think I am against people criticizing evil in the "govt oligarchy."  But I am not against that, nor have I said anything indicating I would be.   People can feel free to criticize anything they want.    What I think is damaging to the forum is when people promote the dishonest theories about 9/11 that claim there was a US-Govt conspiracy to blow up the Towers and that Muslim terrorists had nothing to do with it.    No matter how evil Bush was, of course he was bad, and I agree with you that he was 'terrible,' the facts do not support his having spearheaded a massive conspiracy to blow up the Trade towers. 

[Kahane-Was-Right BT]

Well, then we are in good company, Obama wants any and all "Conspiracy Theories" OFF the net, so, Obama is OUR Prez!

Sorry, there are some things that are true, and people CALL it "conspiracy"

For ie: There were TWO shooters at FT HOOD, I covered it. I had a high military ranking man give me the 3 sites, and EYEWITNESS accounts that showed me there were TWO shooters, and there were TWO, but the MSM covered the story.

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhh, Conspiracy!

If the facts support you in that, great.   But the facts do not support the 9/11 Lies movement which tries to claim that Muslims did not do 9/11 and the American Govt did.

Well, Some people focus on that stuff, and dabble.  Ludab is not a self-hating Jew and def does NOT blame Jews for 9/11, if that is what everyone is REALLY getting at. 

I never thought that Lubab blamed Jews for it.   I DID think that he blamed the US Govt for carrying it out, which is the 9/11 Truthtard position (although you're right that some Muslims and some extreme truthtards do claim the Mossad did 9/11).   Just because something doesn't involve Jews, that makes it ok to promote a debunked and disproved falsehood?   It makes our forum look like a joke whether Jews are involved in the so-called conspiracy or not.  Whether asians, muslims, christians, irish, or japanese are involved, promoting the idea itself (that the US govt carried out 9/11 attacks in a massive still-SECRET conspiracy involving multiple agencies, fire dept, airlines, police dept, etc etc who were all complicit and involved) is what will make us look like a joke.

I'm sure Lubab is a good Jew and a nice person.  That is not relevant to this subject.   Many good and nice Jews can have a mistaken point of view on a given issue.   If he thinks the US govt carried out 9/11, I'm sorry, but he's mistaken.

[Aces High]

I always thought the conspiracy theories were tiring. They are nearly always against Jews.  I don't read even the posts when people talk about them here.  Makes the JTF  forum boring, just my opinion. 

[The One and Only Mo]

Now, now, we all know it was the Joos who are responsible for 9/11 

[AsheDina]

Yeah, it was me and David Ben Moshe before we even knew each-other.
Jews are TOO BUSY defending themselves and attacking Jew haters.

[cjd]

So let's get this straight now... Bush 1 and Bill Clinton were responsible for the first blast at the Trade Center.... Bush 2 oversaw the second attack. The shvartza President is responsible for the BP oil spill... Rumor has it he sent 4 or 5 of his black brothers out in a rowboat to take out the jig...I mean rig.

[Ari Ben-Canaan]

I disagree with the 911 Troofers, but Bush, as an individual, is practically family with the Saudis.  His family's business dealings go back decades with the same group of people who funded 911.  He allowed the Saudi royals to leave the US during a no-fly period and did not let law enforcement interrogate them despite the fact that the bulk of the 911 funding came from this camp of people.  Plus Bush pushed the Saudi plan for Israel.  However, I am inclined to leave Bush out of plotting or committing 911 itself.


"Best friends forever"

[muman613]

Yes, there is a big difference between incompetence, missing the mark, and purposeful evil...

I believe several American presidents were irresponsible for not responding harsher to earlier outbreaks of Islamic terror...

Specifically Clinton when he knew that OBL was behind terrorist actions and he had the ability to capture him, but because he was too busy with the Lewinsky affair, was unable to capture OBL... Also during Reagan when the Lebanon Marine Barraks were attacked should have had a more explosive response... Virtually every president from Carter to Bush has a little bit of responsibility for not responding to the attacks, thus allowing the enemy to become even more brazen over time...

But this doesn't imply that they had anything to do with the planning or execution of the attacks. I believe that there was intelligence which we had which was not acted on. We know that there were many travel warnings that week. Also the blanket release of all Saudi nationals does not look good for Bush...

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4540958/

As the 9/11 commission investigates what Presidents Bill Clinton and George W. Bush might have done to prevent the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks, one piece of evidence the commission will examine is a videotape secretly recorded by a CIA plane high above Afghanistan. The tape shows a man believed to Osama bin Laden walking at a known al-Qaida camp.

The question for the 9/11 commission: If the CIA was able to get that close to bin Laden before 9/11, why wasn’t he captured or killed? The videotape has remained secret until now.

Over the next three nights, NBC News will present this incredible spy footage and reveal some of the difficult questions it has raised for the 9/11 commission.

In 1993, the first World Trade Center bombing killed six people.

In 1998, the bombing of two U.S. embassies in Africa killed 224.

Both were the work of al-Qaida and bin Laden, who in 1998 declared holy war on America, making him arguably the most wanted man in the world.

In 1998, President Clinton announced, “We will use all the means at our disposal to bring those responsible to justice, no matter what or how long it takes.”

http://archive.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2006/9/10/181819.shtml

On Tape, Clinton Admits Passing Up bin Laden Capture; Lewinsky Played Role

Bill Clinton denies it now, but he once admitted he passed up an opportunity to extradite Osama bin Laden.

And NewsMax has the former President making the claim on audiotape. [You can listen to the tape yourself] -- Click Here

Clinton's comments and his actions relating to American efforts to capture bin Laden have taken on renewed interest because of claims made in a new ABC movie, the "Path to 9/11," that suggests Clinton dropped the ball during his presidency. Clinton has also angrily denied claims the Monica Lewinsky scandal drew his attention away from dealing with national security matters like capturing bin Laden.

  During a February 2002 speech, Clinton explained that he turned down an offer from Sudan for bin Laden's extradition to the U.S., saying, "At the time, 1996, he had committed no crime against America, so I did not bring him here because we had no basis on which to hold him."

But that wasn't exactly true. By 1996, the 9/11 mastermind had already been named as an unindicted co-conspirator in the 1993 World Trade Center bombing by prosecutors in New York.
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The choice is yours, but even if you do choose to leave, I respect they you are doing so on good terms.

Whats with the Hashes? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hash_symbol

[Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks]

ChaimFan: Let's just say I don't feel the financial crimes by these mult-national banks and hedge funds are getting near the attention they deserve. I believe we have witnesses some of the greatest financial crimes in history. And I don't believe even an ASKJTF monlogue has been dedicated to the topic. Correct me if I'm wrong. But I checked in when a lot of this stuff was going down and the focus was elsewhere.

Do you not remember over a year ago when Chaim royally ripped into AIG?