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Rabbi Ovadia Josef wishes death to PA President Abbas!
« on: August 29, 2010, 09:31:17 PM »
Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu rushed on Sunday evening to distance himself and his government from Rabbi Ovadia Yosef’s death wish for Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas and the Palestinian people, after the flood of angry Palestinian reactions to the comments.

“These words do not reflect the approach of Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu, nor the position of the government of Israel,” the Prime Minister’s Office said in a statement.

“Israel is going to the negotiations out of a desire to make progress with the Palestinians toward an agreement that will put an end to the conflict and ensure peace, security and good, neighborly relations between the two peoples.”

The US State Department on Sunday condemned Yosef's comments in a statement which said that the words are "not only deeply offensive, but incitement such as this hurts the cause of peace."

"We regret and condemn the inflammatory statements by Rabbi Ovadia Yosef," State Department spoksman P.J. Crowley said. "We note the Israeli statement that the Rabbi's comments do not reflect the views of the Prime Minister."

"As we move forward to relaunch peace negotiations, it is important that actions by people on all sides help to advance our effort, not hinder it," said Crowley.

The head of Shas’s Council of Torah Sages and senior Sephardi adjudicator had, in his weekly Saturday night sermon, referred to Abbas and the Palestinian people as “our enemies and haters... May they vanish from the world, may God smite them with the plague, them and the Palestinians, evil-doers and Israelhaters.”

Earlier on Sunday, the PA’s chief negotiator Saeb Erekat condemned Ovadia’s remarks and called on the government to “take appropriate measures” to stop “racist incitement” against Palestinians.

Ovadia’s remarks were “a clear call for genocide,” Erekat said.

“Is this how the Israeli government is preparing its people for peace with the Palestinians?” he asked. “Rabbi Ovadia is calling for the assassination of President Mahmoud Abbas, who in a few days will be sitting face-to-face with the Israeli prime minister.”

The remarks also constituted a “blow” to efforts to revive the peace process, Erekat said.

“The PLO is preparing to resume the peace talks seriously and in good faith, at a time when one of the major parties in the Israeli government coalition is calling for the elimination of the Palestinian people,” he said.

Erekat urged the government to stop “spreading hatred” and intensify its efforts to achieve peace with the Palestinians.

Balad Party chairman MK Jamal Zahalka on Sunday demanded that Attorney-General Yehuda Weinstein open a criminal investigation against Yosef, on the grounds that incitement and racism cannot not be protected by freedom of speech, but are rather criminal acts that should bear penal sanctions.

“Yosef’s remarks are not an expression of opinion, but a criminal act that should be punished. Rabbi Ovadia Yosef is not an insignificant personality, but a religious leader whose adjudications and speeches are heeded by hundreds of thousands, and are tantamount to permission to kill Palestinians as such,” Zahalka said.

“If God forbid a Muslim religious leader would express similar sentiments toward Jews, he would immediately be arrested. Yosef’s statements are especially severe, since they are repeated time and again,” he said.

United Arab List-Ta’al MK Ahmed Tibi had earlier that day suggested that Yosef rethink his wish that evil people die, “since he is inadvertently wishing his own demise.”

The lawmaker also referred to Yosef’s advanced age (he turns 90 on September 23).

“Statistically, in another year or two chances are that the Palestinians will still be around, unlike Yosef,” Tibi said.

JPOST.COM STAFF contributed to this report.

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Re: Rabbi Ovadia Josef wishes death to PA President Abbas!
« Reply #1 on: August 30, 2010, 03:50:03 AM »
IMHO Rabbi Yosef could have allayed any concerns his statements might have raised with the U.S. State Dept. (state of limp Dick) or others, simply by clarifying his words with something like this:

"Ehh"..."I meant only that the "Ehh"... sandnigras (not the Sandenistas) thems that screwing up the Holy Land must to be "Ehh"... yes! exterminated with zeh liberal use of rat poison possibly insect killer also!" ...

"Ehh"...."Never dids I intends suggest that the Jews suffer!" ... "Ehh"...., "After all, let's we make open up fresh can No-[censored] is act serving 'the cause of peace'!"


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Re: Rabbi Ovadia Josef wishes death to PA President Abbas!
« Reply #2 on: August 30, 2010, 03:52:06 AM »
abbas does need to die

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Re: Rabbi Ovadia Josef wishes death to PA President Abbas!
« Reply #3 on: August 30, 2010, 04:51:10 AM »
Now let's see if ROY will apologize for supporting every suicide concession that's happened.

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Re: Rabbi Ovadia Josef wishes death to PA President Abbas!
« Reply #4 on: August 30, 2010, 06:06:53 AM »
May he suffer the same fate, Yasser Arafat had.
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Re: Rabbi Ovadia Josef wishes death to PA President Abbas!
« Reply #5 on: August 30, 2010, 12:09:09 PM »
Rabbi Ovadia Josef did not call for people to assassinate anyone.  He said G-d should wipe Abbas and the Palestinians out.



And what is this nonsense...

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“If G-d forbid a Muslim religious leader would express similar sentiments toward Jews, he would immediately be arrested. Yosef’s statements are especially severe, since they are repeated time and again,” he [MK Jamal Zahalka] said.

I think what the good "MK" meant to say was, "G-d forbid a Muslim religious leader didn't express simliar sentiments towards Jews, he would immediately be arrested by whatever other Muslims were in close proximity, and then tortured and murdered... the body would be dragged around the streets of Ramallah, before finally being covered with gasoline, burned, and hung for all to see".
"You must keep the arab under your boot or he will be at your throat" -Unknown

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 “I am all peace, but when I speak, they are for war.” -Psalms 120:7

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Re: Rabbi Ovadia Josef wishes death to PA President Abbas!
« Reply #6 on: August 30, 2010, 01:52:27 PM »
Now let's see if ROY will apologize for supporting every suicide concession that's happened.
Don't hold your breath. He still believes that, the principle of "pikuach nefesh" (saving lives) which takes priority over almost anything, applies in the case of surrendering land for peace. 

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Re: Rabbi Ovadia Josef wishes death to PA President Abbas!
« Reply #7 on: August 30, 2010, 01:55:38 PM »
Good.
FAKEstinians dont have an issue with wanting to murder every Jew and Christians that support Jews.
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Re: Rabbi Ovadia Josef wishes death to PA President Abbas!
« Reply #8 on: August 30, 2010, 02:25:36 PM »
He's trying to save face for his party's support and active participation of the continuing Oslo treason.

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Re: Rabbi Ovadia Josef wishes death to PA President Abbas!
« Reply #9 on: August 30, 2010, 06:52:24 PM »
Now let's see if ROY will apologize for supporting every suicide concession that's happened.
Don't hold your breath. He still believes that, the principle of "pikuach nefesh" (saving lives) which takes priority over almost anything, applies in the case of surrendering land for peace. 

Pikuach nefesh does take priority over almost everything else.  Which is why no land can be surrendered.  There is halakcha on the matter:

http://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/72559/jewish/Part-1.htm

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The Code of Jewish Law (Shulchan Aruch, Orach Chaim 329:6) states:

When there is a [Jewish] city close to the border, then, even if [enemies mount an attack, although they] come only for the purpose of [taking] straw and stubble, we should [take up arms] and desecrate the Sabbath because of them. For [if we do not prevent their coming] they may conquer the city, and from there the [rest of the] land will be easy for them to conquer.

What is the law saying? That even when an enemy attack does not pose an immediate danger to life, since allowing them control of a border city puts the entire land in danger, we should take up arms to prevent that danger from arising.6

This is precisely the situation in Israel today. Every inch of territory in Israel is like a city on the border; it is vital for her security. Giving it away to

Any Rav who seeks to give up land to for the hope of peace is a would be murderer [they will have more blood on their hands than those who hold the weapons.].  Holding on to land during a war is just common sense.

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http://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/82019/jewish/Land-for-Peace.htm

More on "land for peace" vs. pikuach nefesh.
"You must keep the arab under your boot or he will be at your throat" -Unknown

"When we tell the Arab, ‘Come, I want to help you and see to your needs,’ he doesn’t look at us like gentlemen. He sees weakness and then the wolf shows what he can do.” - Maimonides

 “I am all peace, but when I speak, they are for war.” -Psalms 120:7

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Re: Rabbi Ovadia Josef wishes death to PA President Abbas!
« Reply #10 on: August 30, 2010, 07:09:43 PM »
http://jtf.org/forum_english/index.php/topic,7769.15.html

I just added 4 posts on the halakcha vs. land for peace thread in the Torah/Jewish Idea section.
"You must keep the arab under your boot or he will be at your throat" -Unknown

"When we tell the Arab, ‘Come, I want to help you and see to your needs,’ he doesn’t look at us like gentlemen. He sees weakness and then the wolf shows what he can do.” - Maimonides

 “I am all peace, but when I speak, they are for war.” -Psalms 120:7

"The difference between a Jewish liberal and a Jewish conservative is that when a Jewish liberal walks out of the Holocaust Museum, he feels, "This shows why we need to have more tolerance and multiculturalism." The Jewish conservative feels, "We should have killed a lot more Nazis, and sooner."" - Philip Klein

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Re: Rabbi Ovadia Josef wishes death to PA President Abbas!
« Reply #11 on: August 30, 2010, 08:01:11 PM »
Didn't ROY also once say that the Arabs are the brothers of the Jews and that their lives should be spared if possible, or something to that effect?

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Re: Rabbi Ovadia Josef wishes death to PA President Abbas!
« Reply #12 on: August 31, 2010, 01:40:43 AM »
http://jtf.org/forum_english/index.php/topic,7769.15.html

I just added 4 posts on the halakcha vs. land for peace thread in the Torah/Jewish Idea section.
The principle of Pikuach nefesh is correct, but some rabbis apply it incorrectly to conclude that we should give up land to appease the Arabs.

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Re: Rabbi Ovadia Josef wishes death to PA President Abbas!
« Reply #13 on: August 31, 2010, 12:13:38 PM »
For the  Rabbi...  :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:
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Re: Rabbi Ovadia Josef wishes death to PA President Abbas!
« Reply #14 on: September 01, 2010, 02:17:32 AM »
Now he needs to let Chaim into Israel.

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Re: Rabbi Ovadia Josef wishes death to PA President Abbas!
« Reply #15 on: September 01, 2010, 06:30:54 AM »
Now he needs to let Chaim into Israel.
Good point.

Like I said, I am still waiting for Rabbi Ovadia Yosef to apologize for supporting Oslo and every single surrender that's taken place.