Why did Mackab take down his comment on what is going on Passaic. NJ

[adam613]

Hey Mackab! Why did you take down on your comment on the Passaic, NJ poster. I agreed with what it said. Did the feminazi's get to you Mackab. Is this going to offend Lisa who seems to be offended at the drop of hat except when her sisters call her a right wing nut job. Her own sisters calling her names doesn't bother her. Just us horrible men.  Are you afriad of the henpeckers on this forum. WHY DO YOU TAKE IT DOWN?

This is what Lisa said on her blog

But most of all, I just can’t understand someone who would stop talking to her own mother over politics. Now my sisters all think I’m a rightwing nut job. But so what! They love me and I love them

[Maccabi]

Actually, a little bit.

I saw this Jewish girl who worked at a restaurant the other week. She was pretty, but she had a small noesring which made me suspect her of being a feminist.

I started to have thoughts like maybe I would ask her out because she seemed pretty attractive.

I went back recently and she had cut her hair short and died it black and looked like a little feminist.

Yuck!

Also it is how I feel but I had second thoughts whether it was appropriate for this forum. It is how I interact with the world, but I probably would not want to influence some of the more religious people on this forum.

I mean, why should I be talking about seduction when some of the guys on here want to remain virgins until they are married? It is them that I care about, and not about offending feminist women.

I am not from a religious community.

Also, I am not from New Jersey.

What I wrote is the advice I would give and what I have found to be true, but I try not to give unsolicited advice.

I guess what I have found is that I have had some bad relationships with women and some wonderful ones.

Most of the success or failure was directly related to my inner state.

I have found that women respond positively to boundaries and when I don't accept their bad behavior.

I have also found that when I accept their bad behavior, it rapidly escalates and gets worse and worse until finally they walk all over you and leave.

So, in my experience, being firm with women, even to the point of being angry (but not in a violent way) is a very good thing. And also having enough self respect to draw a line and leave them if they don't immediately modify their behavior.

I'm not particularly afraid of Lisa's opinion, no.

I like her and she sounds like she is probably reasonably attractive, but I can't imagine myself dating a really hardcore right-wing woman so I'm not really worried about their opinions.

The issue of women is probably my biggest issue with religion.

[Lisa]

Now I'm curious.  What did you say in your post?  I'm sure it was fine.

[Maccabi]

well I do hate facial piercings. However you'd be suprised at how many of these girls out here have that stuff. This girl only had a very small nose ring so I thought I would make an exception...she didn't look trashy.

Just curious: does anyone know where this nose ring crap came from? Did Jewish women ever wear this stuff before the 20th century? When did decent looking girls start to think this was cool?

[Maccabi]

and to answer Lisa's question:

It was basically a rant about the feminist movement.

Part of the reason I deleted the post was because I used some hyperbole talking about some of these women being like terrorists...Maybe was an exxageration, but it seems like the feminists produced a lot of abnormally hateful women that had some strange, unfounded vendetta against all men.

I didn't want to sound bitter because bitter is not an attractive trait, but I have been through women like this before.

The truth I found is that if you change the way you think and what you'll accept, it doesn't matter so much about how women act because you can just get mad and demand they stop being manipulative and bratty, or leave em if they don't modify their behavior.

However, if guys are timid, and feel like they'll never be able to find another woman, that is a huge problem and leads decent men to put up with crap they shouldn't...it plays right into the hands of those ugly, man-hating, left-wing feminists to have timid men who think women are so pure etc...

(when in fact I think most women are just as raunchy as guys or even more so)

Women only have as much power as you give them and it is your choice whether you tolerate it or not. In fact it is often just a test that women do and I think they are desperately hoping you won't cave in to their demands.

A lot of it comes back to the old question of nice guys vs bad boys.

I guess my point was being a nice guy is stupid and won't get you anywhere, but I'm not intentionally mean or physically abusive with women either...

Anyways, I'm not at this forum to talk about women or find a date...But I definitely had to agree strongly with Adam on some of these issues.

I don't know about 'religious' girls, because they aren't my area of expertise, maybe there really are different and pure and wonderful and righteous types of girls (let's just say I have my doubts) so I don't want to pretend to know about all women...and I want to be respectful to the more religious people here who think there are (even if I think it may be naive and delusional thinking)

I don't know everything on this topic...I like to learn more about women because I think it is extremely important to a man's happiness and fulfillment.

[Lisa]

However, if guys are timid, and feel like they'll never be able to find another woman, that is a huge problem and leads decent men to put up with crap they shouldn't....

I think these things can also be said of some women who put up with bad behavior of men just for the sake of having a boyfriend, or because they fear they won't be able to find another nicer man. 

[Maccabi]

depends what you call bad behavior.

If you were talking about an abusive man or someone who is pathelogically dishonest then I would agree.

if you mean 'Getting some milk without buying the cow' then I would have to absolutely disagree with you and I would then in fact categorize you as someone who I would not want any girlfriend of mine to associate with under any circumstances.

[Lisa]

if you mean 'Getting some milk without buying the cow' then I would have to absolutely disagree with you and I would then in fact categorize you as someone who I would not want any girlfriend of mine to associate with under any circumstances.

All I'm saying is that there are also some women who put up with bad behavior from some men, just as there are men who put up with bad behavior from some women.  How is that the same as condoning "getting some milk without buying the cow?" (which I am completely against)

[Lisa]

Also, being a "nice guy" is not the same as being a pushover.  You can be nice and set boundaries as well. 

[Maccabi]

well I guess we are at odds over the premarital sex issue.

The only reason I mentioned it was because I saw your other post a while back where you talked about your friend.

I don't know if I want to become religious, or a 'Kahanist' if that is what is expected as the standard of conduct...It is not a role-model of behavior I would want to advocate and then have to live up to.

I really like the works of Rabbi Kahane, but I'm really, really not into the whole zealotry for sexual purity thing and I would be very uncomfortable trying to be a voice of sexual morality against heterosexual premarital relations.  (Of course I have no problem with banning gay parades etc...and would be all for it)

Another thing I have a problem with is Jewish males not having sex with any girls but Jewish girls. Maybe if I lived in Israel it wouldn't be a problem because the temptation wouldn't be there and from the pictures I see there are some very, very attractive Jewish women there...

I hope I find a very beautiful Jewish woman to marry someday when I'm ready.

But here in the U.S. it seems ridiculous especially when a lot of the Jewish women are left-wingers.

Being with a certain woman on the principal of 'duty' is not a fun way to live...Maybe I'm selfish, but that's how I see it.

The sexual things I find abhorrant are pornography, homosexuality, prostitutes, swinger groups, and of course bestiality, and any other deviant stuff...I think all of it should be banned in Israel.

But consensual relationships between heterosexual adults I see little problem with.

As far as being a nice guy vs being a pushover...there is really a fine line.

BTW: To put it in your terms...Do you think it is wise to buy a cow without first trying the milk?

[Bannedfan]

Okay, guys...

A: Why is Adam being allowed to make unprovoked flaming posts against the admins, let alone post at all?

B: Macka, I have to totally disagree with you. I understand that you may not share the views of most of us on premarital purity, but as a staff member on JTF, I think you should support us nonetheless or at least not discuss this topic. If you really feel so differently on such a vital area of personal conduct for most of us, I think it would be prudent to simply not discuss those views.

I am 100% with Lisa on everything within this thread. Yeah, I think feminists are a problem on the dating scene, but so are deadbeat, promiscuous "player", and meathead-macho men. Nor do I believe that every single feminist is evil. There are a few sincere ones who are not leftist zombies and care deeply about the unborn and traditional values.

C: Bombshell time. I am a virgin and absolutely intend to remain that way until G-d (if he chooses to do so) blesses me with a wife. Obviously I can't say for sure that I will never, ever lose control at some point in that area, because that would be a boast I have no way of backing up at this point, but I certainly hope that I don't and think that the L-rd can keep me pure. I don't want to waste any part of myself with any woman except my wife.

[Lisa]

MackaB, I'm not a relationship expert.  I just hope you find a nice Jewish woman to marry who is beautiful on inside as well as the outside. 

And regarding your question about trying the milk first, you're welcome to PM me if you like.  After all, I'm one of the oldest posters here.

Chaimfan, I really respect you for wanting to save yourself for marriage. I also hope you find a wife who is beautiful to you both on the inside and outside. 

[Shlomo]

Is this going to offend Lisa who seems to be offended at the drop of hat except when her sisters call her a right wing nut job. Her own sisters

Adam... I'm telling you nicely... for the last time, please lay off Lisa. She is the global moderator and a little respect would go a long way. What you are saying is really wrong and personal. It is completely against the rules of the forum.

[nessuno]

Agree with MackaB or not - his posts on this thread seem very thoughtful and honest.  
 

[Maccabi]

thanks bullcat.

this stuff has been on my mind a while.

I won't go too much further into it, but let's just say I have some enormous reservations about parts of this agenda. 

I want to see Israel victorious and from what I see JTF is the best chance...but I'm not sure about some facets of the agenda I am promoting.

To Yaccov and C.F. I absolutely respect your positions and I hope you do remain virgins until you are married if that is what you want.  I'm not trying to convince anybody that that is wrong.

I wouldn't equate pre-marital sex with Bolshevism though.

Anyways, I'd glad to have addressed this issue sooner than later.  This is where I stand.

[Bannedfan]

Macka,

Thanks for the courteous response. I didn't say premarital sex was Bolshevism, but JTF is a religious Judeo-Christian organization whose leadership does oppose it. But yeah, Bullcat was right--I respect you for being honest.

[Nic Brookes]

I wouldn't even kiss a woman on the cheek, not even as a friend.

Is this sensible Yacov?

[adam613]

Is this going to offend Lisa who seems to be offended at the drop of hat except when her sisters call her a right wing nut job. Her own sisters

Adam... I'm telling you nicely... for the last time, please lay off Lisa. She is the global moderator and a little respect would go a long way. What you are saying is really wrong and personal. It is completely against the rules of the forum.

Well Jeff I am a little upset with you. First of all, Lisa openly said this on her blog that she introduced us too. I was quite upset reading this on her blog. This is a public blog. If it is personal Jeff why then did Lisa write it on her public blog in November. You can't have it both ways.  Why doesn't Lisa show a little more class and understand that they are consequences to what you say and write just like with anybody else. I think this movement belives in free speech. I did put it in context that it was refurring to politics. But it still upset reading it especially since on this board Lisa always wants to make the men the bad guys.

Secondly, RESPECT HAS TO BE EARNED. I DON"T RESPECT LISA AT THIS POINT. TO BE FAIR I DON"T RESPECT YACOV A LOT EITHER AT THIS POINT AND I AM LOSING MY RESPECT FOR YOU TOO BY THE WAY. YOU CAN"T FORCE ME TO RESPECT SOMEBODY THAT HASN"T EARNED MY RESPECT.

Thridly, I don't want to rehash what happened on this board. But Lisa does not respect MY FEELINGS THE ONE TIME I COMPLAINED ABOUT SOMETHING AND SHE OPENLY SHE DIDN'T HEAR THE SHOW I COMPLAINED ABOUT AND HAS NEVER APOLOGIZED OR ANYTHING OR CARED WHEN I LEFT. So up to this point Lisa has shown no respect towards me personally.  WHy then should I respect her? Lisa should also should be unhappy about you Jeff and Yacov since you give her undeserved praise which leads to her being put down. If anyone is going to be praised that I don't think deserves it of course I am going to criticize that. Telling me that she is always the victim Jeff should insult Lisa's intelligence. Lisa should be angry at you Jeff not me. 

[Shlomo]

A lot of people get upset with me, Adam. lol  It's really quite ok to be upset with me.

I have really tried to reason with you but you are refusing to let go of your pride and be fair on this matter - or even agree to disagree and drop it. We don't all agree on every matter, I can assure you.

The rules of the forum are in place because they are necessary. They provide a cohesive set of guidelines that establish safety for the posters' free speech, but also safety for the forum members and it's growth.

Please, Adam, mad at me or not... I am pleading with you to follow the rules of the forum. I feel I am being generous and kind to you but my patience is wearing thin. I'm not sure that I can be any more clear.

[Lisa]

Adam, you need to get a life!  So what if my sisters jokingly once called me right wing nut job?  What is that to you?  Why should the people on this forum care one way or the other?  And so what if I once disagreed with you about David Ben Moshe supposedly calling men under 35 immature?  Why on earth would David or Chaim insult the 98% of the JTF audience by supposedly calling men under 35  immature?  Are you the only one here that's allowed to whine incessantly about how women either have it too easy, or how they've wronged all men? 

And considering the fact that you don't like Yacov, Jeffguy, Chaimfan, Rabbi Kahane and me, I will ban you myself unless you get your act together and behave yourself.