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The Amish come to Israel, ask Jews for forgiveness
« on: December 02, 2010, 02:10:43 PM »

I had no idea the Amish had a history of anti-semitism.

http://www.israeltoday.co.il/default.aspx?tabid=178&nid=22352
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In a seemingly unprecedented move, a group of Amish Christians from the US made widespread use of modern technology - including airplanes, tour buses and even iPhones - in order to come to Israel and apologize to the Jews.

The Amish are most notable to outsiders for their shunning of the technological conveniences that have made life so fast-paced for everyone else. But they did not shy away from using whatever means necessary to accomplish what they viewed as the vitally important task of making things right between their community and Israel.

The Amish, both in the US and Europe, have a long history of anti-Semitism and have traditionally been firm proponents of Replacement Theology, which claims that God cast aside the Jews for their widespread rejection of Jesus as their messiah. Many Amish once believed the Nazi Holocaust was God’s punishment for that rejection of Jesus, and actually applauded Hitler.

“We are here to say we are sorry,” group leader Ben Girod told Israel’s Channel 2 News as the group visited the Western Wall in Jerusalem. “God reminded me that this is not who He is. We no longer want to reject you or look at you as not being God’s people. You were God’s people long before we were.”

Group member Jonas added, “Our people have had some bad attitudes toward the Jewish people and have rejected the Jewish people to a certain extent, and we have come to restore that and apologize.”

In another clip, Girod is shown reading Psalm 121:4 to the group, reminding them that “He who keeps Israel will neither slumber nor sleep.”

But the group did not only speak of these things amongst themselves. A strong declaration printed on a beautiful parchment was presented Rabbi Shmuel Rabinovitch, who oversees the Western Wall, on behalf of the entire Amish community. In the declaration, the Amish ask Israel’s forgiveness “for our collective sin of pride and selfishness by ignoring the plight of the Jewish people and the nation of Israel.”

The document concludes by committing the Amish from this point forward to speak out strongly in support of the Jews and the Jewish state.

During their stay in Jerusalem, the group made great efforts to interact with average Israelis, who needed little prodding to satisfy their curiosity regarding these odd-looking foreigners who had come with a message of such warmth and love.
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Re: The Amish come to Israel, ask Jews for forgiveness
« Reply #1 on: December 02, 2010, 02:17:35 PM »
Mord already posted this many days ago. I don't think the Amish were specifically anti-Semitic so much as they feel they didn't do enough during the Holocaust and are repentant of that.

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Re: The Amish come to Israel, ask Jews for forgiveness
« Reply #2 on: December 02, 2010, 03:40:02 PM »

That article clearly implies that Amish belief contained elements of replacement theology. Such a belief has led to generations of anti-semitism. It is ranked as one of the primary causes of Jew-Hatred {that and Deicide}.

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The Amish, both in the US and Europe, have a long history of anti-Semitism and have traditionally been firm proponents of Replacement Theology, which claims that G-d cast aside the Jews for their widespread rejection of Jesus as their messiah. Many Amish once believed the Nazi Holocaust was G-d’s punishment for that rejection of Jesus, and actually applauded Hitler.

I do not hold the Amish especially responsible for the atrocities of the Nazis since they had little influence in Germany. I believe that the Amish are especially an American sect which currently resides in Pennsylvania... I also have the impression that the Amish are non-violent and very insular {they do not mingle with non-Amish}.

It is very good that a Christian sect asks for forgiveness for perpetrating the replacement theology. I accept their apology.

You shall make yourself the Festival of Sukkoth for seven days, when you gather in [the produce] from your threshing floor and your vat.And you shall rejoice in your Festival-you, and your son, and your daughter, and your manservant, and your maidservant, and the Levite, and the stranger, and the orphan, and the widow, who are within your cities
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Re: The Amish come to Israel, ask Jews for forgiveness
« Reply #3 on: December 02, 2010, 03:46:56 PM »
I didn't really read the article. If they really have repented of their anti-Semitism, that's great but actions speak louder than words.

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Re: The Amish come to Israel, ask Jews for forgiveness
« Reply #4 on: December 02, 2010, 07:42:56 PM »
This is wonderful, and it has an important moral.  While nearly every religion has skeletons in its closet; especially anit-semitism, when modern gentiles understand their own faith better, they see that going against the Jews is going against the bible.  And they shun their evil pasts.  The Amish took one step further, and apologized... which is extraordinarily.   :dance:  I have a lot of respect for them.

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Re: The Amish come to Israel, ask Jews for forgiveness
« Reply #5 on: December 02, 2010, 08:11:42 PM »
They're often confused with Jews.
I've never been there though.
What are they?
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Re: The Amish come to Israel, ask Jews for forgiveness
« Reply #6 on: December 02, 2010, 08:16:34 PM »
They're often confused with Jews.
I've never been there though.
What are they?

They are an extreme pacifist and luddite sect that are related to the Mennonites. Ethnically they are German but have been isolated for so long that their culture is cut off from all others in the world.

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Re: The Amish come to Israel, ask Jews for forgiveness
« Reply #7 on: December 02, 2010, 08:43:06 PM »
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amish

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The Amish (pronounced /ˈɑːmɪʃ/, AH-mish) (Pennsylvania Dutch: Amisch, German: Amische) or Amish Mennonites are a group of Christian church fellowships that form a subgroup of the Mennonite churches. The Amish are known for simple living, plain dress, and a reluctance to adopt many conveniences of modern technology.

The history of the Amish church began with a schism in Switzerland within a group of Swiss and Alsatian Anabaptists in 1693 led by Jakob Ammann.[2] Those who followed Ammann became known as Amish.[3] These followers were originally from three main places: the German-speaking parts of Switzerland, Alsace (now part of France), and the Palatinate of Germany. In the early 18th century, many Amish and Mennonites emigrated to Pennsylvania for a variety of reasons. Today, the most traditional descendants of the Amish continue to speak Pennsylvania German, also known as Pennsylvania Dutch. However, a dialect of Swiss German predominates in some Old Order Amish communities, especially in the American state of Indiana.[4] Over the years, the Amish churches have divided many times over doctrinal disputes. The 'Old Order' Amish, a conservative faction that withdrew from fellowship with the wider body of Amish in the 1860s, are those that have most emphasized traditional practices and beliefs. There are as many as eight different subgroups of Amish with most belonging, in ascending order of conservatism, to the Beachy Amish, New Order, Old Order, Andy Weaver, or Swartzentruber Amish sects. As of 2000, over 165,000 Old Order Amish live in Canada and the United States. A 2008 study suggested their numbers have increased to 227,000,[5] and in 2010 a new study suggested their population had grown by 10% in the past two years to 249,000, with increasing movement to the West.[1]

Amish church membership begins with baptism, usually between the ages of 16 and 25. It is a requirement for marriage, and once a person has affiliated with the church, she or he may only marry within the faith. Church districts average between 20 and 40 families, and worship services are held every other Sunday in a member's home. The district is led by a bishop and several ministers and deacons.[6]

The rules of the church, the Ordnung, must be observed by every member. These rules cover most aspects of day-to-day living, and include prohibitions or limitations on the use of power-line electricity, telephones and automobiles, as well as regulations on clothing. Many Amish church members may not buy insurance or accept government assistance such as Social Security. As Anabaptists, Amish church members practice nonresistance and will not perform any type of military service. Members who do not conform to these expectations and who cannot be convinced to repent are excommunicated. In addition to excommunication, members may be shunned, a practice that limits social contacts to shame the wayward member into returning to the church. During adolescence (rumspringa or "running around" in some communities), nonconforming behavior that would result in the shunning of an adult who had made the permanent commitment of baptism may meet with a degree of forbearance.[7]

Amish church groups seek to maintain a degree of separation from the non-Amish world. There is generally a heavy emphasis on church and family relationships. They typically operate their own one-room schools and discontinue formal education at grade eight. They value rural life, manual labor and humility. Due to intermarriage, or inbreeding, among this relatively small original population, some groups have increased incidences of certain inheritable conditions.[8]
You shall make yourself the Festival of Sukkoth for seven days, when you gather in [the produce] from your threshing floor and your vat.And you shall rejoice in your Festival-you, and your son, and your daughter, and your manservant, and your maidservant, and the Levite, and the stranger, and the orphan, and the widow, who are within your cities
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Re: The Amish come to Israel, ask Jews for forgiveness
« Reply #8 on: December 03, 2010, 04:52:41 AM »
The Mennonites have more of a replacement theology ,i don't think the Amish have this Theology
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