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Re: "Jewish" rapping
« Reply #25 on: August 13, 2011, 08:47:33 AM »
There is nothing evil about rap itself. If rap wasn't associated with violence, stealing, sex, materialism, etc it would never be such garbage. It's just been a tool for garbage people to make money spouting their awful messages.
The city isn't what it used to be. It all happened so fast. Everything went to crap. It's like... everyone's sense of morals just disappeared. Bad economy made things worse. Jobs started drying up, then the stores had to shut down. Then a black man was elected president. He was supposed to change things. He didn't. More and more people turned to crime and violence... The town becomes gripped with fear. Dark times, dark times... I am the hero this town needs. I am... The Coon!!!

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« Reply #26 on: August 13, 2011, 09:33:15 AM »
It might not be evil.
But even without the bad lyrics I think 80% of rap is awful.
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Re: "Jewish" rapping
« Reply #27 on: August 13, 2011, 09:42:03 AM »
It might not be evil.
But even without the bad lyrics I think 80% of rap is awful.

Personally I think all rap is awful.

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« Reply #28 on: August 13, 2011, 12:41:35 PM »
This is more entertaining than rap:

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« Reply #29 on: August 13, 2011, 02:17:35 PM »
I think I was mistaken in categorizing Matisyahu as "rap". He is a reggae and hip-hop artist, which is not quite rap but sort of proto-rap.

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« Reply #30 on: August 13, 2011, 02:21:10 PM »
This is more entertaining than rap:


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« Reply #31 on: August 13, 2011, 11:23:05 PM »
I share the same views as Chaim Ben Pesach when it comes to Minorities however I will say the following, I don't necessarily listen to Rap, most of it is garbage banana jungle savage music, there is some I find entertaining, very few. Having said that I will say that I respect Shyne or whatever his real name is (MOSHE LEVIY), not only do I respect the man but I also feel he places many Jews and Israeli's to shame and I am the last man to give any credit to a Black wannabe Jew, I have allot of resentment towards blacks for the way they treat us. The reason I respect Shyne is because in his case you have a black man born into the typical black violent evil culture and he himself behaved like the typical savage evil rapper that he was, he promoted evil culture in his music and the evil lifestyle that goes along, in light of all this with all that he had on the line (fame, money, women) he decided to convert to Judaism. He could of taken the easy road and lied to himself by joining the fake Nazi jealous African doo doo tribe black Hebrew Israelites who are the scum of the earth hijacking a religion they have no connection with. Shyne did not take the easy road, he took the hardest most difficult rout by converting through strict Orthodox conversion in Jerusalem, I saw an interview on youtube where Shyne and a Ashkenaz Orthodox are speaking and I felt ashamed (posted below), I was ashamed because I saw a man not born to Jewish parents but had a passion and a desire to be of the Jewish faith according to our Jewish laws, no shortcuts, he didnt go to the fake reform Jew conversion (Madonna), he didn't convert out of love for a Jewish woman so he could marry like many Gentiles do, he did it out of love for Hashem and the Jewish STORY taken from the Torah. I admire the man, I respect that, I am humbled.
Why should I be humbled? Because millions of Jews were born into the tribe and have Jewish DNA running in their veins, you have Jewish Cohens with DNA dating all the way back to the time of Moses and Aharon, Yet all these Jews could care less about Judaism, Torah, Jewish Nationalism, Israel, Jewish traditions, Kosher Diets, etc... Millions of Jewish men and women born to Jewish parents trash our heritage, our faith in Hashem, they are Atheists, Socialist Anarchist, Liberals supporting One World Order, fact is you have so many Self hating Jews working 24/7 to undermine Torah, to destroy Israel, to destroy anything Jewish. That's why I say God Bless Shyne, it took a Black Gentile rapper to awaken the Jewish conscience, he understood the value of what so many Jews take for granted, I feel closer to Shyne than I do my own Libtard Left wing brothers and sisters living in Israel and America. I know Shyne has allot of sin on his hand however what the man is doing is a powerful Tshuvah, no, he is not going to be a Rabbi or some big Jewish leader but this man has more respect for our Torah than most Jews who believe its a fairy tale and for that I am in no position to judge him or his past. I wish all non religious Jews would acknowledge the gift of Judaism like many converts do, to convert from a Rapper to a Chassid should not be taken lightly, thats like going from the bottom of the New York sewage to the top of a mountain. I don't know if he is still on track, I can imagine how hard it must be to change the lifestyle from a famous Rap artist to a Kosher Jew in Israel out of all places. Maybe I am wrong, maybe I gave the man too much credit, but when I look at all the protesters in Tel Aviv I dont see anything Jewish, when I look at Shyne in the video below I see someone who really wants to be Jewish.



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Re: "Jewish" rapping
« Reply #32 on: August 13, 2011, 11:29:10 PM »
Today I spent Shabbos with my minyan and I discussed this with some of them.

I heard from people who know Matisyahu and have spent time with him and know his family. I asked them if he was a good Jew and I was told emphatically yes, he is a good Jew and thus I cannot speak badly of him.

These people also brought up this Shyne artist who all I know is the story which has been told. They told me that they also know people who know him {from Yeshiva} and that he has been keeping the commandments and supporting the Jewish people. So there too I will not speak ill of him.

I also learned that my good friend, and the Gabbai of our minyan, recently spoke with Rabbi Moshe Parry. Rabbi Parry is well known as a vocal Kahanist who lives in Los Angeles. I was very happy to hear that and took the opportunity to bless Rabbi Kahanes memory.
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« Reply #33 on: August 14, 2011, 04:50:39 AM »
Today I spent Shabbos with my minyan and I discussed this with some of them.

I heard from people who know Matisyahu and have spent time with him and know his family. I asked them if he was a good Jew and I was told emphatically yes, he is a good Jew and thus I cannot speak badly of him.

These people also brought up this Shyne artist who all I know is the story which has been told. They told me that they also know people who know him {from Yeshiva} and that he has been keeping the commandments and supporting the Jewish people. So there too I will not speak ill of him.

I also learned that my good friend, and the Gabbai of our minyan, recently spoke with Rabbi Moshe Parry. Rabbi Parry is well known as a vocal Kahanist who lives in Los Angeles. I was very happy to hear that and took the opportunity to bless Rabbi Kahanes memory.

I can speak against his music which sucks. I don't like intelligent individuals who imitate Afro-Caribbean accent, broken English, and silly music. I think it is as artistically dishonest and flawed as if there were a Jamaican Rastafarian singing Hasidic music in ashkenazi accent.


Back in the 80s there were lots of talented musicians like Sting customizing their tunes to sound reggae. I think it only decreased the quality of their work. All the really good a memorable songs of Sting and The police are rock n roll / punk songs. Since the 90s it seems like there is some sort of hip hop tax collected from every MTV aspiring musician. Basically in every clip on MTV you will see a schwartze rapper spew his crap somewhere along the tune and make jungle backgroung noise the rest of the song. Not that the popular music is so good by itself anyway...


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« Reply #34 on: August 14, 2011, 04:55:32 AM »
I like Matisyahus music, his music is not rap but Reggae.

True.

Calling him a wrapper is ignorant.

I also like his music.

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Re: "Jewish" rapping
« Reply #35 on: August 14, 2011, 02:43:38 PM »
Yosef andarian?  What's with the name?

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« Reply #36 on: August 14, 2011, 03:53:48 PM »
If someone says something bad about you, say something nice about them. That way, both of you would be lying.

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Re: "Jewish" rapping
« Reply #37 on: August 14, 2011, 09:45:24 PM »
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What a load of Nazi BS

How is that "Nazi" at all? Can you stop throwing around words like "Nazi" or "anti Semite" or "Communist" when it is unnecessary.

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Personally I think all rap is awful.

Because you've only heard mainstream "gangsta" rap.

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« Reply #38 on: August 15, 2011, 07:44:25 AM »
Yosef andarian?  What's with the name?

What's wrong with it?

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Re: "Jewish" rapping
« Reply #39 on: August 15, 2011, 09:52:14 AM »
I'm very surprised to hear Shyne is supposedly a practicing Jew. Many of his lyrics promote your typical violent gangster rap. He has also taken part in many rap feuds that were violent as well.
The city isn't what it used to be. It all happened so fast. Everything went to crap. It's like... everyone's sense of morals just disappeared. Bad economy made things worse. Jobs started drying up, then the stores had to shut down. Then a black man was elected president. He was supposed to change things. He didn't. More and more people turned to crime and violence... The town becomes gripped with fear. Dark times, dark times... I am the hero this town needs. I am... The Coon!!!

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« Reply #40 on: August 15, 2011, 02:34:25 PM »
I'm very surprised to hear Shyne is supposedly a practicing Jew. Many of his lyrics promote your typical violent gangster rap. He has also taken part in many rap feuds that were violent as well.
That was all before he found Judaism. Now he is reformed, or so he says.

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Re: "Jewish" rapping
« Reply #41 on: August 15, 2011, 04:01:27 PM »
That was all before he found Judaism. Now he is reformed, or so he says.

Yes he did a full Orthodox conversion and has since been 'frum' according to those people I spoke with who know him from their Yeshiva....
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« Reply #42 on: August 15, 2011, 04:21:33 PM »
Ah well, good for him I suppose. Better than being like those nazi muslim-wannabes who claim to be the real Jews that yell at people on the street corners.
The city isn't what it used to be. It all happened so fast. Everything went to crap. It's like... everyone's sense of morals just disappeared. Bad economy made things worse. Jobs started drying up, then the stores had to shut down. Then a black man was elected president. He was supposed to change things. He didn't. More and more people turned to crime and violence... The town becomes gripped with fear. Dark times, dark times... I am the hero this town needs. I am... The Coon!!!

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« Reply #43 on: August 15, 2011, 04:31:17 PM »
cRap is not music.
If I was world dictator, anyone caught with cRap noise will be rounded up and gassed.
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« Reply #44 on: August 15, 2011, 04:35:10 PM »
Ah well, good for him I suppose. Better than being like those nazi muslim-wannabes who claim to be the real Jews that yell at people on the street corners.

Here are some articles which discuss him:

http://www.cross-currents.com/archives/2010/11/12/taking-a-shyne-to-judaism/

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Taking a Shyne to Judaism
By Yaakov Menken, on November 12th, 2010

The Jerusalem Post (from which this title was lifted) and the NY Times both published stories this week about the hip-hop artist “Shyne,” born Jamal Michael Barrow, and who now goes by the name Moshe Levy ben David when not performing. He has had quite a journey, from his birth in Belize to an Ethiopian Beta Israel mother, to the “hip hop scene” in NY, to several years in prison — and now to life in Jerusalem, where he is both studying in yeshivos and re-launching his music career.

My reaction to his music is, well… it’s rap. Or hip-hop. Or whatever they call it. I have always liked music that wasn’t the standard “yeshivishe” fare — perhaps due to a much more varied musical background — but I have trouble placing spoken words over a beat loop in the category of “music” (this, from the author of the “Yeshiva Rap”). Compare to Matisyahu, whose beats and music are, at least in my opinion, somewhat more sober (in other words, a lot less “rocked up”) than a lot of “Jewish” music today (which, of course, often lifts riffs and beats, if not entire music tracks, from secular rock). Matisyahu also puts obvious Jewish ideas into his music. They say similar things are coming from Shyne, but while it may be true that he has dropped the obscenities and misogynistic lyrics which reportedly characterized his earlier efforts, I wasn’t comfortable linking to his new release.

What is impressive, though, is Moshe Levy’s interview with the Jerusalem Post. He speaks with obvious sincerity about his process of growth and change, in a dialogue sprinkled inspirational references to people from Tanach (the Bible), and discusses both his checkered past and his transformation due to Torah observance. Because of who he is, the Jerusalem Post printed positive reflections on Judaism that we rarely get to see in the “mainstream” press, and his words can inspire secular teens who wouldn’t listen to most anyone else who spent much of his time in chassidic garb. I feel he was mekadesh Shem Shamayim (sanctified G-d’s Name), and if his lyrics help others to grow beyond the life of violence and “fast living,” he should be blessed for that as well.

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Here in Israel,Shyne and I are daily study partners in the Yeshiva – College for Jewish Learning, he is very prompt, punctual, attentive, and a real pleasure to study with. As a result we have become very good friends. We just spent a weekend on Prague with a gathering of students from Hebrew University, Tel Aviv University, and Ben Gurion University. As we walk the streets of Jerusalem together, he has become a popular figure and an inspiration to all the young people here.


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Re: "Jewish" rapping
« Reply #45 on: August 15, 2011, 04:36:12 PM »
cRap is not music.
If I was world dictator, anyone caught with cRap noise will be rounded up and gassed.


If I was world dictator I would round up and gass anyone who liked Punk music or Classical music...

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« Reply #46 on: August 15, 2011, 04:44:00 PM »
Here are some articles which discuss him:

http://www.cross-currents.com/archives/2010/11/12/taking-a-shyne-to-judaism/



Muman, I hear what the argument is...Sometimes, if the good lyrics are presented in a way that certain others can understand, it might turn them to go along to a better more sober or clean life.  Can you tell me, from your experience, how often that happens?  And when it does happen, how often does that person change the cultural attitude of the expression that he/she grew up with..So for the example of rap.  Secular teenagers identify with rap.  One gets turned on to Judaism because of Shyne's lyrics.  When that person turns to Judaism, how often does he realize that rap is really crap?
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« Reply #47 on: August 15, 2011, 05:46:04 PM »
Muman, I hear what the argument is...Sometimes, if the good lyrics are presented in a way that certain others can understand, it might turn them to go along to a better more sober or clean life.  Can you tell me, from your experience, how often that happens?  And when it does happen, how often does that person change the cultural attitude of the expression that he/she grew up with..So for the example of rap.  Secular teenagers identify with rap.  One gets turned on to Judaism because of Shyne's lyrics.  When that person turns to Judaism, how often does he realize that rap is really crap?

I dont know the answer to your question. As I have stated my person experience is that I have always HATED with passion Gangster Rap and established my position over 15 years ago... But what drew me into this discussion was the inclusion of Matisyahu who really started with a very good rendition of reggae. Just before my Teshuva I got into reggae music and bought a large library of popular reggae artists. So it was natural for me, during my return to Jewish thought and philosophy, to be drawn to Matisyahu music. Over last Sunday I spent a good deal of time listening to his music and I re-affirmed by feelings that he is a great artist.

I think that this music {Matisyahu} is good to help bring Jews back to their religion. In my case it was the right music at the right time.

I cannot comment on many of the others because I am not familiar with it.

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Re: "Jewish" crapping
« Reply #48 on: August 16, 2011, 02:34:34 AM »
"Jewish" crapping.

muman, what kind of noise do you listen to?



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Re: "Jewish" crapping
« Reply #49 on: August 16, 2011, 03:31:11 AM »
"Jewish" crapping.

muman, what kind of noise do you listen to?





What kind of question is that?

I have said many times what music I listen, and have listened to.

In the 1980s I was somewhat of a 'Deadhead' and attended at least 30 Grateful Dead shows from 1984-1995 {over 10 years}. I was a fan of the Canadian band Rush since my highschool years and saw Rush {the 2nd show of my life} in 1983. Also I got into Heavy Metal for a while in the 90s and saw Metallica, Black Sabbath, Iron Maiden, Scorpions, and others. I did not like the music of the 90s called grunge although I was dragged to a SoundGarden show by some friends.

I stopped going to shows in 2001 after camping out at Mountain Aire to see Phil & Phriends. In 2002 I was interested in reggae and bought several of the popular reggae artists including Steel Pulse and several other authentic reggae bands.

I have said many times that in 2003 I went through a period of 'Teshuva' and reestablished my Jewish roots and spent my time studying with an Orthodox Rabbi and davening in a minyan. At about this time I discovered Matisyahu whos lyrics are inspiring to me {and still are very much}. I also bought many 'traditional' Jewish CDs which contain prayers put to music, such as Shlomo Carlebach and Avraham Fried.

Most days I just listen to the same Matisyahu CD in my car because I am so sick of the 'classic rock' stations which keep on playing the same Led Zepplin songs over and over again.






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You shall make yourself the Festival of Sukkoth for seven days, when you gather in [the produce] from your threshing floor and your vat.And you shall rejoice in your Festival-you, and your son, and your daughter, and your manservant, and your maidservant, and the Levite, and the stranger, and the orphan, and the widow, who are within your cities
Duet 16:13-14