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« Reply #75 on: September 13, 2014, 04:17:02 PM »
I found the following in a Jerusalem Post article about the 10 tribes in general and at least some sources that some made their way to Afghanistan
http://www.jpost.com/PromoContent/The-Ten-Lost-Tribes-A-Background

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The Ten Lost Tribes - A Background

The mystery of the whereabouts of the Ten Lost Tribes of Israel has fascinated and vexed adventurers and scholars, researchers and ethnographers for over two thousand years.


In the days of Pekah king of Israel came Tiglath-Pileser king of Assyria and took Ijon, and Abel-Bet-Maachah, and Janoah, and Kedesh, and Hazor, and Gilead and Galilee, all the land of Naftali, and carried them captive to Assyria. (Kings II; 15; 29) In the twelfth year of Ahaz king of Judah began Hosea the son of Elah to reign in Samaria over Israel nine years. And he did that which was evil in the eyes of the Lord… Against him came up Shalmaneser king of Assyria; and Hosea became his servant, and gave him gifts. And the king of Assyria found conspiracy in Hosea; for he had sent messengers to So king of Egypt… Then the king of Assyria came up throughout all the land, and went up to Samaria and besieged it three years. In the ninth year of Hosea the king of Assyria took Samaria, and carried Israel away into Assyria, and placed them in Halah and in Habor by the river of Gozan, and in the cities of the Medes. (Kings II, 17; 1-6) And the God of Israel stirred up the spirit of Pul king of Assyria, and the spirit of Tiglath-Pilneser king of Assyria, and he carried them away, even the Reubenites and the Gadites, and half the trive of Menasseh, and brought them unto Halah, and Habor, and Harah, and to the river Gozan unto this day. (Chronicles I; 5; 26) The Ten Tribes as a concept are first mentioned in the meeting between Jeroboam ben Nevat and Ahiah the Shilonite in the field. AT this meeting Ahiah says: "Thus says the Lord God of Israel, behold I will rend the kingdom out of the hand of Solomon, and will give Ten Tribes to thee. But he shall have one tribe…" (Kings I; 11; 31-32) About two hundred years passed between this meeting until the Ten Tribes were exiled from their land and the Kingdom of Israel was extinguished in the year 720 BCE. According to Assyrian documentation, the Assyrian king exiled from Transjordan and northern Israel some 200,250 souls, and from the capital Samaria, 27,290 souls. The exiles were not denied freedom of religion and were permitted to remain in large groups and continue their national existence in the cities to which they had been exiled. The king of Assyria operated according to the principle of "divide and rule" in order to ensure his sole rule over the areas he had conquered. From the words of the Assyrian Chief of Staff at the time of the siege of Jerusalem, we learn that the Assyrians, despite all their cruelty, tried to transmit the exiles to fertile lands that were easy to cultivate, areas that were similar geographically and agriculturally to those of Samaria and the Galilee. This is what Rab-Shakeh in the name of the king of Assyria during the siege of Jerusalem: "…come out to me… until I come and take you away to a land like your own land, and land of corn and wine, and land of bread and vineyards, a land of oil, olive and honey, that you may live and not die…" (Kings II; 18; 31-32) The Samarian exiles were brought to Halah, Habor, the river Gozan, the cities of the Medes, and Hara. Halah: According to one opinion, an area located at the foot of the Zagros Mountains, which are also known as The Medean Mountains. Another opinion identifies it with the area between city of Nineveh and Horsabad. Our sages identified this city with a city named Helwan or Halazon. (Kiddushin 72a) Habor: B"Z Luria (5744) writes that Habor is the name of the river that runs from Karga-Dag and Tur Avdin and flows down the plain between the Euphrates and the Tigris until it enters the Euphrates north of Maidin. The river crosses a wide plain along which many cities arose in ancient times. In the 8th century BCE, when the Ten Tribes arrive here, the Arameans - who had also been conquered by the Assyrians - lived in the plain, and the exiles from Samaria were settled here in their stead. The Gozan River: According to Luria, this is located in a place called "Tel Halaf" which is the western part of the Gozan River. Gozan is the name of the capital city as well as that of the Assyrian Pahwa. This is also where an Aramean kingdom existed until it was conquered by the Assyrians. The Cities of the Medes: The location of these cities ranges from southeast of Lake Umia to the Zagros Mountains. According to the documents of Tiglath Pileser, 65,000 people were exiled to this area - among them many exiles from Samaria. It is important to mention that the Ten Tribes never disappeared from the awareness of their Judean brethren. Most scholars of Israelite history are of the opinion that the residents of the Samarian kingdom intermingled rather swiftly among the peoples to which they arrived, were swallowed up among them and intermarried until they completely lost their identity. Despite this, among the prophets we find many prophecies of comfort about the children of Efraim and the return of the Ten Tribes. The tribe of Judah was exiled 136 years later, but never lost its identity and thus was able, 70 years later, to return to its land and to maintain its autonomy until the Second Destruction during the first century. The questions arises: Why is it that in Babylon, the tribe of Judah succeeded in maintaining its identity while in Gozan, Halah, Habor and the cities of the Medes, they didn't? It seems that the writings of the prophetic works and the development of prophetic literature which began after the destruction of Samaria was able to strengthen the spirit of the people of Judah, and to immunize it against the surrounding pagan influence. The residents of Judah learned from their sources and from painful reality what had befallen their brethren - the Ten Tribes - and how easily they had lost their identity. Thus they sought to strengthen the foundations of their identity in the period prior to the Babylonian exile. Some of the Ten Tribes returned with Ezra to the Land of Israel at the beginning of the Second Temple period. Contact was lost with the others. The Latin version of the Book of Ezra, written in the first century CE (the Hagiography, Kahana Edition 5716) says: "The Ten Tribes who were exiled from their land during the days of king Hosea and who were led by Shalmaneser king of Assyria into captivity, and he transported them across the river and transferred them to another land." The words "another land" are written "Artzeret" - this form of writing testifies that the author had no knowledge where the exiles of the Samarian kingdom were to be found, and already at this stage in history they became the Ten Lost Tribes." The Talmud mentions that the Ten Tribes were exiled to three places: "Israel was exiled to three exiles, one within the Sambatyon River, and one to Daphne in Antiochia, and one upon which a cloud descended and covered it." (Jerusalem Talmud Sanhedrin 39a). Antiochia: The Samarian exile did not only settle there but moved south toward Armenia, Horkania, Kilikia, Ludia and Tarsus. Today, this city is to be found in Turkey. Daphne was the name of a suburb of the city. The city suffered numerous earthquakes, and it seems that the descendants of the ten tribes died in any or all of these earthquakes. Sambatyon: Josephus in his book "The War of the Jews" tells that Titus Caesar, upon his return to Italy after the capture of Jerusalem, passed through Syria and there he saw: "A river full of water, the current of which never ceases. Afterwards, it disappears for six days for its entire length from its source and appears completely dry. But on the seventh day it sends forth it waters as if nothing had changed." The Roman historian Pliny, who lived the same time as Josephus, identifies the river with one in the land of Judah, writes the opposite view and calls the river "The Sabbath River" for it flows for six days and ceases on the seventh. Rabbi Akiva, also a contemporary of that period, tells the wicked Turnus Rufus something similar to Pliny: "The Sambatyon River testifies, for all the days it drags along stones and sand, and on the Sabbath it rests." (Midrash Tanchuma, Ki Tissa, Parasha 33) There is no doubt that each of these three places is more mysterious that the other. The geographical location of the Sambatyon and the cloud remain a mystery that many have attempted to discover - but without any great success. Eldad Hadani In the Geonic period we find a responsum of one Zemach Bar Rav Haim Gaon who served as Gaon from 886 to 879 in Kerouan. He received a query from a group of people who had met Eldad Hadani and were unable to evaluate the man. "In the matter of Eldad Hadani which you sent before us that you had heard from him, sages have told us that they heard from Rabana Yitzhak ben Mar and Rabana Simha who saw this Reb Eldad Hadani and they wondered about his words, some of which seemed words of wisdom and some of which seemed wondrous. We have seen sources that support our sages. For when Sennacherib rose and exiled the tribe of Zebulun in the eighth year of king Ahaz' from the establishment of the temple until the eighth year of Ahaz there were close to 264 years. And since the children of Dan saw - and they were mighty men - that the king of Assyria has ruled in Israel, they left the land of Israel to Kush and they rested there to be there in a land of gardens and orchards, fields and vineyards. A wide plained land fileld with all forms of goodness, and they permitted them to worship God in fear and to perform all His commandments with love, and this helped them for they were crowned with two crowns, the crown of Torah and kingship, when Reb Eldad Hadani told of this." (Otzar Hamidrashim, p20) The exchange of letters between the people of Kerouan and Rabbi Zemach Gaon is the primary source we have on Eldad. Later on, there developed many stories and myths regarding his personality and about the Land of Cush from where he came as a representative of the tribe of Dan. Eldad continued from North Africa to Spain. He is mentioned again in a letter sent by Hisdai Ibn Shaprut, a minister in the government of Andalusia, to the Jewish ruler of the Khazar kingdom. After that, his footsteps disappear. From the honorable manner in which both Rabbi Zemach Gaon and Hisdai Ibn Shaprut refer to him, we learn that they considered his testimony about the kingdom of the tribe of Dan in Abyssinia to be true, unlike later scholars who considered him an imaginative charlatan. Rabbi Benjamin of Tudela In the year 1165, about 300 years after the travels of Eldad Hadani, Benjamin ben Jonah departs from Tudela on a journey in search of Jewish communities. In 1171 he returns to Spain and writes his memoirs, the famous "Journeys of Benjamin of Tudela." Regarding the Ten Tribes, he writes: "… and it is said that there are people there who are the tribe of Reuben and Gad and half the tribe of Menashe… and they went and built great, fortified cities, and they fight against all the kingdoms, and none can enter them. For eighteen days one walks in the uninhabited deserts, until one come to Khievar, a very great city with some fifty thousand Jews, including scholars and warriors, who fight against the sons of Shinar and the northern lands, and the nearby land of Aliman, which is the beginning of India." With regard to the Jews of India he writes that "all the people of the land of black and the Jews too, and they are good Jews who fulfill mitzvoth and they have the Torah of Moses and the prophets, and some of the Talmud and the Halacha." About the Jews of Shinkli (Kranganur) he writes: "There are about a thousand Jews there." Regarding the tribes of Dan, Zevulun, Asher and Naftali he writes: "…And it is said that in the Nasbor cities there are four tribes of Israel, Dan, Zevulun, Asher and Naftali… and the distance of their land is twenty days, and they have provinces and cities. On the one side they are surrounded by the river Gozan, and the yoke of the non-Jews is not upon them, for they have a president named Joseph Hamarkli Helo, and among them are scholars, and they sow and reap and go to war in the Land of Cush through the deserts." The area describes by Rabbi Bejamin, as the home of the Ten Tribes, is a mountainous area, divided by steep valleys. The cities of Nisbor are found in northeastern Iran, close to the border with Afghanistan. Rabbi Saadia Gaon in the 9th century and Moshe ben Ezra in the 11th century mention Afghanistan - then known as Horasan - as the home of the Ten Tribes. Literature of the Rishonim The Rishonim, in their writings and mainly in their letters, dealt at length with the subject of lost Jews. Maimonides in one of his letters, writes: "With regard to your question about the tribes, you should know that this is a true issue and we wait for their arrival, for they are hidden beyond the mountains of darkness, and the river Gozan and the river Sambatyon." Rabbi David Hareuveni Avigdor Shachan is of the opinion that the Jewish dispersion arrived in the state of Kerala and to Cochin in three different historic waves of migration: In the 1st Century BCE: When members of the Ten Tribes communities left Afghanistan and settled in India in the Sakito-Parthic Kingdom. This was a nation of Indian-European origin that lived from the 8th century BCE through the 1st century CE in the plains of southern Ukraine on the banks of the Black Sea and the Don and Dnieper rivers. Most scholars consider that they migrated to the Ukraine from Central Asia. The Kushan invasion of the Sakito-Parthic Kingdom resulted in many inhabitants fleeing northern India for the south. In the 5th Century CE: As a result of thedecrees of the Persian King Prosus, more Jews fled northern India and joined their brethren in the south. A third group, descendants of the Raban (=Hareven) family, also from the Ten Tribes, arrived in India from Yemen at an undetermined time, and settled in Malabar. Joseph Raban, who was a descendant of the family, received copper tablets from the local ruler. Shachan claims the existence of a 16th century document in Amsterdam, written in Hebrew and signed by the Jewish leaders of Cochin. The document states that for over 1,000 years (starting in the 6th century) 70 kings (melichim) from among their people ruled in Cochin. However, due to a quarrel between two brothers close to the royal court, and due to timeously unpaid taxes to the Hindu ruler, their royal independence was removed. This loss of Independence, says Shachan, led to Muslim control over the harbors of southern India, and David Hareuveni, a descendant of Joseph Raban, departed in the 16th century, on a hazardous journey from Cochin to Portugal and Italy, in order to bring to Portuguese to southern India, so that they might defeat the Muslims, and return the kingship to the Jews in Cochin. And this is what Reuveni writes about himself: "I, David son of the late King Solomon, of blessed and righteous memory, and my brother the king Joseph who is older then me, and he sits on his throne in the desert of Habor and rules over thirty thousand, over the sons of Gad and the sons of Reuven and half the tribe of Menashe, I have traveled from before the king, my brother, and his counselors, the seventy elders, and they commanded me to go first to Rome before his majesty the Pope." Hareuveni's itinerary goes from southern India to Afghanistan, the Habor desert, Heart, Jeddah, by ship via the Red Sea to the city of Tsuakin in the land of Abyssinia in the kingdom of Sheba. From there he continues for two months through the jungles of Africa until he comes to Maul on the banks of the Nile. He remains in Maul for ten months and then continues to Sonar, and then by boat along the Nile to the edge of the Sheban kingdom, from where he travels to the kingdom of El-Galbeh. From there to Mount Ataki, the land of Donguluah, Ahbir, Girgam, Cairo, Gaza, Hebron, Jerusalem, Gaza, Egypt, Portugal and finally Rome. Shabtai Zvi About 100 years after David Hareuveni, there appears the false messiah Shabtai Zvi in 1666 in Izmir, Turkey. The tales of his conquests in the city of Mecca and the African continent with the help of a Hebrew-speaking army of the Ten Tribes that he gathered, upon whom the fire rained down and returned upon the heads of those who fired at them, an army for whom the Turkish Sultan offered the city of Alexandria, and Tunis, and so on. These fables were distributed by word of mouth and by letter, and caused Jews to sell their possessions in the Diaspora, exhume the bones of their deceased relatives and go up to Israel. Many communities were severely damaged when Shabtai Zvi decided to become a Muslim and turn his back on the destruction he had wrought. It seems that as European geographers expanded their knowledge, discovered new continents and developed sea routes for trade, and as the European colonies abroad grew, the Ten Tribes were dispossessed of their former lands. By the end of the 17th century, Asia, Africa and India ceased being mysterious places populated by the Ten Tribes. Once the world had understood that the Sambatyon and the Mountains of Darkness were not in Africa or Asia, the search began to find the Ten Tribes in the Americas. Menashe ben Israel Menashe ben Israel published a book in Amsterdam in 1652 called "The Hope of Israel." In it Ben Israel proves that the Ten Tribes are to be found in America. He bases himself upon a story he heard from a certain Marrano who returned from South America to Amsterdam. In the Andes Mountains, the man came across some Indian who told him that he is a Hebrew, and introduced him to a group of Hebrews who declared themselves to be the descendants of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. Ben Israel thought this to be possible and quotes from the Talmud, Josephus, Eldad Hadani, Benjamin of Tudela, David Hareuveni and assorted other Jewish and Christian scholars - that the Ten Tribes are to be found in many places around the world and that they reached China, and northeast Asia, and Siberia from where they crossed the Baring Straights that divide Asia from America. In his opinion the two continents were once connected until earthquakes separated them. Ben Israel's scholarship is scientific and considered a pioneering work in the field of research into the whereabouts of the Ten Tribes. Modern Scholars Research of the Ten Tribes in the modern ages has been influenced by fakes and forgeries on the one hand and serious research by ethnogarphers, missionaries and travelers on the other. Among the researchers that need to be mentioned is Joseph Israel Benjamin, known as the Second Benjamin (1818-1864). In 1844 he departed on his first journey to the east, passing through Vienna and Kushta. He visited Egypt, Israel, Syria, Iraq, Armenia, Kurdistan, Iran, Afghanistan, India and China. During his travels in the east he met many tribes among who he saw descendants of the Ten Tribes. He summarized his journey in 1856, in his book "Travels of the Children of Israel." Another researcher is a British medical officer, H. W. Bellew, who lived in Afghanistan for a long time, and in 1891 published in London his work "An Ethnographic Review of Afghanistan." In it Bellew maintains that many of the Pashtun tribes who live in Afghanistan believe that they descend from "Bani Israil". They identify themselves as people who used to observe Torah until they converted to Islam in the 8th century. In 1889 Adolf Neuberger published his essay "Where are the Ten Tribes?" He claims in all to be a mirage. He is of the opinion that only the upper classes of the Israelite Kingdom were exiled, while the simple folk remained behind and integrated into the peoples who were brought to the Land of Israel by the Assyrians. Most the exiles integrated swiftly among the peoples where they had been brought, while others mingled with the exiles from Judah 136 years later. In his opinion, the Assyrian exiles never existed as an autonomous entity. Shimon Menahem Lazare writes in his book "The Ten Tribes and their Solution" (1908) that most of the Samarian exiles maintained their identities and returned with the Judean exiles after Cyrus' declaration. Zvi Kasdai in his article "The Tribes of Jacob and the Captive of Israel" (1928) writes that the exiles from Samaria and Judah connected together mainly in the mountains of Kurdistan-Caucus, the snow-capped peaks of which can be identified as the "Mountains of Darkness". Kasdai believed that many traditions regarding the Ten Tribes are based upon historical fact. Alan Godbey, a professor of Bible at Duke University, published in 1930 an 800-page study entitled "The Ten Tribes - The Story of a Legend." This book was an encyclopedic life's work, and it discusses the place of the Ten Tribes in Africa and Asia. While he defines the Ten Tribes as a myth, he posits that they were surely exiled from their land, while continuing their attempts to spread their monotheistic faith in all the countries of their exile. In his opinion, they succeeded in this mission and converted many believers from North Africa in the west to central Asia in the east. Even after the tribes converted to Islam or Christianity they maintained their monotheistic beliefs and customs, which originated in ancient Israel. 60 years passed and once again scholars started to deal with the subject again. In Israel the subject arose in the 1980s when Rabbi Eliyahu Avichail of Jerusalem founded the Amishav movement and discovered the lost tribes of Benei Menashe in Mizoram and Manipur, in northeastern India. Another organization active in this effort is Shavei Israel, headed by Michael Freund. A British researcher, Dr. Theodore Parfitt, has been conducting research on genetic effects and the presence of chromosome Y among numerous tribes around the world. This chromosome is prevalent among Jews in general and Cohanim in particular. In India he is assisted by a young researcher from the University of Lucknow - Dr. Navras Afreedi - who claims that his ancestors were Afreedi, descendants of the tribe of Efraim, and that many of the Pathans and other tribes are descendant from the Ten Tribes. Dr. Afreedi did his post-doctoral work at Tel Aviv University, entitled "Indian Jewry and the Self-professed Lost Tribes of Israel in India." Dr Avigdor Shachan, a lecturer in military history, published his book "Across the Sambatyon" in 2005, in which he recounts the migration routes of the exiled Ten Tribes from the Land of Israel to Assyria, and from there across Asia Minor, Iran, Afghanistan, India, China and Japan. His conclusions are that in these areas there continue to live millions of people who maintain remnants of customs that connect them to ancient Israel, despite the passing of 2700 years. The last writer on this subject is Hillel Halkin, who in his book "On the banks of the Sambatyon: A journey in the footsteps of the descendants of Menashe" presents the question of the origin of Bnei Menashe. Halkin, somewhat skeptically, accompanied rabbi Avichail to Manipur and Mizoram, was impressed that there indeed exists an unsolved mystery, returned twice to research it further, and slowly concluded that this lost tribe indeed has a connection to the people of Israel.

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Re: Pashtun Israelites
« Reply #76 on: September 13, 2014, 04:40:25 PM »
Concerning the eventual return of the lost 10 tribes to be one with the Jewish people, see the Bible in particular, the prophet Hoshea chapters 1,2,3

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« Reply #78 on: September 13, 2014, 04:47:13 PM »
http://www.shavei.org/about-us/our-goals/?lang=en
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Shavei Israel strives to extend a helping hand to all members of our extended Jewish family and to all who seek to rediscover or renew their link with the people of Israel.

Shavei Israel believes that Jewish People is a family with links that never vanish completely; our endeavor is to strengthen the links wherever they may have been weakened by history, distance or social parameters.

The Need: The Jewish people are currently facing a demographic and spiritual crisis of unprecedented proportions. Our numbers are shrinking, Jewish commitment is waning, and more and more young people are leaving the fold. And yet, simultaneously, an extraordinary awakening is taking place. From northeastern India to southern Spain, from the coast of Portugal to the shores of Brazil, countless numbers of people are trying to make sense of their Jewish ancestry, wrestling with profound questions of history, identity and self. Many are literally knocking on our collective door, looking for a way to enter. This presents the Jewish people with a tremendous opportunity to reinforce its ranks and reinvigorate its spirit by extending a courteous hand to all those who wish to return. Shavei Israel is the only Jewish organization today that is actively reaching out to “lost Jews” in an effort to facilitate their return. We are not merely a research team. We approach each case on a human level, lending guidance and understanding in tracing Jewish roots, exploring Jewish history and evaluating options for returning to the Jewish people.

The How-To’s of “Return”: Returning to the Jewish people does not and should not involve coercion or compulsion. It is a deeply personal decision and cannot be imposed from the outside. It may result from a desire to recover a lost heritage, or from an intense need to understand various inherited customs and family traditions. But whatever the source, Shavei Israel supports, guides and provides assistance for these personal journeys however varied they may be. Shavei Israel opens the door to all who have decided that Judaism and a return to the Jewish people are central to their fate and their identity. Shavei Israel does not proselytize nor does it support any form of missionary activity. Shavei Israel responds to personal expressions of desire to return to Judaism.

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Re: Pashtun Israelites
« Reply #80 on: September 13, 2014, 07:40:13 PM »
I found the following in a Jerusalem Post article about the 10 tribes in general and at least some sources that some made their way to Afghanistan
http://www.jpost.com/PromoContent/The-Ten-Lost-Tribes-A-Background
Toooooooooo long cant be bother 2 read can u just give me some short articals
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You talk 2 ur enemies

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Re: Pashtun Israelites
« Reply #81 on: September 13, 2014, 09:02:24 PM »
בס''ד

The Pashtuns are murderous, cutthroat Muslim drug dealers. They are among the cruelest and most primitive people on the face of the earth. More than 40% of Afghanis and 15% of Pakistanis are Pashtuns.

The claim that Pashtuns are descended from the lost tribes of Israel is nonsense - the lost tribes completely assimilated among the nations of the world thousands of years ago. It would not make any difference even if the Pashtuns were descended from Israel - a Jew who embraces another religion is a traitor who has left the Jewish people. But to claim that they are Jewish after thousands of years of mixing in with every ethnic group in Asia is absurd.

Naturally, the Pashtuns - along with billions of other Third World people - would love to come to the modern and prosperous State of Israel. Obviously, they will lie and say whatever Jews want to hear to get into Israel, G-d forbid.

I can't believe that someone here writes that there a million Muslims in Israel as if that is a good thing. He writes about it with pride. Why not invite just invite Muslims from all over the world to come flooding into Israel?

Muslims are not welcome in Israel. Israel is a Jewish state.

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Re: Pashtun Israelites
« Reply #82 on: September 13, 2014, 11:23:51 PM »
Shalom & Shavuah Tov,

Regarding the question of who the Jewish people are... The Torah portion which we all read today (Shabbat) contains a beautiful explanation. In the commandment of the 'First Fruits' we find the following vow made by the pilgrims to Jerusalem:


Deuteronomy Chapter 26

3. And you shall come to the kohen who will be [serving] in those days, and say to him, "I declare this day to the Lord, your God, that I have come to the land which the Lord swore to our forefathers to give us."
4. And the kohen will take the basket from your hand, laying it before the altar of the Lord, your God."
5. And you shall call out and say before the Lord, your God, "An Aramean [sought to] destroy my forefather, and he went down to Egypt and sojourned there with a small number of people, and there, he became a great, mighty, and numerous nation.
6. And the Egyptians treated us cruelly and afflicted us, and they imposed hard labor upon us.
7. So we cried out to the Lord, God of our fathers, and the Lord heard our voice and saw our affliction, our toil, and our oppression.
8. And the Lord brought us out from Egypt with a strong hand and with an outstretched arm, with great awe, and with signs and wonders.
9. And He brought us to this place, and He gave us this land, a land flowing with milk and honey.
10. And now, behold, I have brought the first of the fruit of the ground which you, O Lord, have given to me." Then, you shall lay it before the Lord, your God, and prostrate yourself before the Lord, your God.
11. Then, you shall rejoice with all the good that the Lord, your God, has granted you and your household you, the Levite, and the stranger who is among you.
You shall make yourself the Festival of Sukkoth for seven days, when you gather in [the produce] from your threshing floor and your vat.And you shall rejoice in your Festival-you, and your son, and your daughter, and your manservant, and your maidservant, and the Levite, and the stranger, and the orphan, and the widow, who are within your cities
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Re: Pashtun Israelites
« Reply #83 on: September 13, 2014, 11:36:47 PM »
בס''ד

The Pashtuns are murderous, cutthroat Muslim drug dealers. They are among the cruelest and most primitive people on the face of the earth. More than 40% of Afghanis and 15% of Pakistanis are Pashtuns.

The claim that Pashtuns are descended from the lost tribes of Israel is nonsense - the lost tribes completely assimilated among the nations of the world thousands of years ago. It would not make any difference even if the Pashtuns were descended from Israel - a Jew who embraces another religion is a traitor who has left the Jewish people. But to claim that they are Jewish after thousands of years of mixing in with every ethnic group in Asia is absurd.

Naturally, the Pashtuns - along with billions of other Third World people - would love to come to the modern and prosperous State of Israel. Obviously, they will lie and say whatever Jews want to hear to get into Israel, G-d forbid.

I can't believe that someone here writes that there a million Muslims in Israel as if that is a good thing. He writes about it with pride. Why not invite just invite Muslims from all over the world to come flooding into Israel?

Muslims are not welcome in Israel. Israel is a Jewish state.
Chaim you summed it up,however the last sentence you are wrong for now as Arabs /Muslimare more welcome here than you or I & quite a few other Jews.
Furthermore they all get bituach leumi,kupat cholim & don't have to serve in the army & in many cases get free electric & water & don't pay taxes.

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« Reply #84 on: September 14, 2014, 02:18:10 AM »

The conclusion of the Talmud Yevamot 16b and 17a seems to be that the descendants of the 10 lost tribes lost their status as Jews. Either because most of the women of the 10 lost tribes had problems giving birth and so the men intermarried with Gentiles or because of the verse in Hoshea 5:7.
The region according to some but not all researchers that the 10 tribes were exiled to included regions that the Pashtuns inhabited.
Since the Talmud was written before the religion of Islam started that means already before Islam had started, the Pashtuns if they are the descendants of the 10 lost tribes lost their status as Israelites.

Radbaz claims the proper choice to make when a Jew is presented with the option of convert to Islam or die is to choose death. The view of Radbaz is subject to dispute, but I am saying what I believe in my humble layman's opinion is the correct view.
The Talmud seems to say in one place that the Gentiles are not obligated to give up their life, even when presented with the option of doing idolatry or getting killed.
It might be that the original Pashtun generation that took on Islam did this because of a convert or die situation.
In the later generations many of the Pashtun people began to really believe in the evil religion of Islam and there is no excuse for this.
We have no obligation to harm Jewish interests at all for the benefit of these people.
There is an opinion in the Talmud Yerushalmi that if the 10 tribes will come back to the Jewish people in the future they will do so as converts and this seems to fit with the prophecy of Hoshea chapters 1,2,3
Here's a Hebrew quote of the relevant passage in the Yerushalmi
תלמוד ירושלמי (וילנא) מסכת סנהדרין פרק י

מתני' עשרת השבטים אינן עתידין לחזור שנאמר [דברים כט כז] וישליכם אל ארץ אחרת כיום הזה מה היום הולך ואינו חוזר אף הן הולכין ואינן חוזרין דברי ר' עקיבה רבי אליעזר אומר מה היום מאפיל ומאיר אף הן כשהיא אפילה להן עתידה ליאור להן: גמ' עשרת השבטים אין להן חלק לעולם הבא ואינן רואין לעתיד לבוא מה טעמא [דברים כט כז] וישליכם אל ארץ אחרת כיום הזה מה היום הולך ואינו חוזר אף הן הולכין ואינן חוזרין דברי ר' עקיבה ר"ש בן יהודה איש כפר אכוס אמר משום רבי שמעון אם היו מעשיהן כיום הזה אינן חוזרין ואם לאו חוזרין הן. ר' חזקיה ר' אבהו בשם ר' לעזר אם באים הן גירי צדק לעתיד לבא אנטולינוס בא בראש כולם.

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« Reply #85 on: September 14, 2014, 11:11:18 AM »
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The Pashtuns are murderous, cutthroat Muslim drug dealers. They are among the cruelest and most primitive people on the face of the earth. More than 40% of Afghanis and 15% of Pakistanis are Pashtuns.

The claim that Pashtuns are descended from the lost tribes of Israel is nonsense - the lost tribes completely assimilated among the nations of the world thousands of years ago. It would not make any difference even if the Pashtuns were descended from Israel - a Jew who embraces another religion is a traitor who has left the Jewish people. But to claim that they are Jewish after thousands of years of mixing in with every ethnic group in Asia is absurd.

Naturally, the Pashtuns - along with billions of other Third World people - would love to come to the modern and prosperous State of Israel. Obviously, they will lie and say whatever Jews want to hear to get into Israel, G-d forbid.

I can't believe that someone here writes that there a million Muslims in Israel as if that is a good thing. He writes about it with pride. Why not invite just invite Muslims from all over the world to come flooding into Israel?

Muslims are not welcome in Israel. Israel is a Jewish state.
Excuse me sir good and bad people are everywhere so u shouldnt judge all by some bad ones and us pashtuns are most strongest and beautiful people in asia and we love afghanistan pakistan we consider them as mother lands and we are not intersted in rich countries and me myself russian born and proud 2 be and nobody wants 2 go 2 ur country and i know israel is only 4 jews so u need to learn how 2 respect others after all we are all humans i cant belive it u people are full of haterd
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« Reply #86 on: September 14, 2014, 11:23:53 AM »
Neamatullah has given detailed genealogical accounts of several Pashtun tribes, tracing their descent from Qais Abdul Rasheed, who himself is said to have sprung from the line of Jacob (Israel) in his Tarikh-i-Khan-i-Jahani wa Makhzan-i-Afghani (AH 1021/ 1612 CE). Completed at Burhanpur, it gives an account of the Afghans, particularly the Lodis and the Surs. Naematullah writes:

…Khaled sent a letter to the Afghans who had settled in the mountainous countries around Ghor ever since the time of the expulsion of the Israelites by Bokhtnasser, and informed them of the appearance of the last of the Prophets. When this letter reached them, several of their chiefs departed from Medina; the mightiest of them, and of the Afghan people, was Kais, whose pedigree ascends in a series of thirty-seven degrees to Talut, of forty-five to Ibrahim…

Naematullah was the first historian to present a systematic genealogical table of Pashtuns from Israel/Jacob. Less than ten years before the compilation of Tarikh-e-Khan-e-Jahani, another scholar Akhund Darwiza had declared the Pashtuns to be Israelites in his Tadhkirat al-Abrar (an account of hisadventures in Afghan territories) in 1611 CE.

Even before the political rise of Afghans Kingdom, Hamidullah Mustawfi had speculated that they were most likely Israelites in his monumental work Tarikh-e-Guzeedah (AH 730/1326 CE), as stated by Neamatullah. This is a general historical account dedicated to Khwaja Ghiyasuddin Muhammad, son and successor of Rashiduddin Fazlullah, and deals with the Mongols of Persia (modern Iran) and modern Trans-Oxiana.

Sheikh Mali of the Yusufzai tribe wrote in Pushto a book on the Israelite descent of the Pashtuns between AH 816/1409 CE and AH 828/1412 CE. Another work in Pushto on the same subject is ascribed to Khan Kaju, written in circa AH 900/1493 CE. Upon these two works were based Tarikh-e-Hafiz Rahmat and Khulasat al-Ansab of Hafiz Rahmat Khan. Minhaj-i-Siraj Jurjari, who had close contact with the Ghurids and held posts of qazi (qadi), khatib, sadr-i-jahan and principal of the Nasiriya Madrassa, wrote in his Tabaqat-i-Nasiri (1259-60 CE), “In the time of the Shansbani dynasty there were people called Bani Israel living in Ghor,” and that “some of them were extensively engaged in trade with the neighbouring countries.” Tabaqat-i-Nasiri is an encyclopaedic history from the patriarchs and prophets, viz., Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, to the time of Nasiruddin Mahmud. It is an invaluable source of information for the history of the early Turkish sultans and their maliks and amirs. Abu Sulayman Daud’s Rauza-ul-Bab Twarikh-ul-Akbar-wal-Ansab (The Garden of the Learned in the History of Great Men and Genealogies) (AH 717/1310 CE) is considered the earliest work on the subject of the Israelite origin of Afridi/Pathans.

Again, "In the ninth year of Hoshea, the king of Assyria took Samaria, and carried ...Israel away unto Assyria, and placed them in Halah, and in Habor, on the river of Gozan, and in the cities of the Medes." (Melachim 2 16:6) on the river of Gozan! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amu_Darya defines - Hebrew: גּוֹזָן, Gozan. Historians tell us that one of the most ancient names for the Oxus or Amu in ancient Afghanistan was Gozan. And were brought into Halah (modern day Balkh), and Habor (which is Pesh Habor or Peshawar), and Hara (which is Herat). http://www.sccs.swarthmore.edu/users/08/ajb/tmve/wiki100k/docs/Amu_Darya.html In ancient Afghanistan, the river was also called Gozan, descriptions of which can be found in the book "The Kingdom of Afghanistan: a historical sketch By George Passman Tate" So through references grounded in history and fact we come to modern day Afghanistan.

"Also the tribal name are similar to the Sons of Jacob. Yusufzai -Children of Yosef; Afridi - Ephrayim; Rabbani - Reuven; Shinwari - Shim'on; Lewani - Levi, Daftani - Naphtali, Gaji/Gadoon - Gad; Mushahar - Manasseh; Abdali - Naphtali; Zamand - Zebulon; and Ashurai - Asher"

And so I'll review, Midieval Persian texts written by Muslim scholars refer to the Israelite origin of Pashtuns, who mainly inhabit the hill country from the eastern spurs of the Safed Koh to the borders of the Peshawar district in Pakistan. A number of Pathan historians subscribe to the theory of the Israelite origin of the Afghans. The first among them to trace the genealogy to Israel was Khwaja Neamatullah. Malik Ahmad, entitled Khan Jahan Lodi, asked his secretary Khwaja Neamatullah Harawi to compile a complete account of the history of Pashtuns. Neamatullah sent five historians, viz., Qutb Khan, Sarmast Khan Abdali, Hamza Khan, Umar Khan Kakarr and Zarif Khan, to the Tribal territories in AH 1030/1621 CE to investigate the descent of Afghans. This eventually led to the compilation of Mirat-al-Afghani, according to which Afghans/Pashtuns/Pathans are Israelites.

"thus saith the Jehovah God: Behold, here am I, and I will search for My sheep, and seek them out. As a shepherd seeketh out his flock in the day that he is among his sheep that are separated, so will I seek out My sheep; and I will deliver them out of all places whither they have been scattered in the day of clouds and thick darkness. And I will bring them out from the peoples, and gather them from the countries, and will bring them into their own land; and I will feed them upon the mountains of Israel, by the streams, and in all the habitable places of the country. I will feed them in a good pasture, and upon the high mountains of Israel shall their fold be; there shall they lie down in a good fold, and in a fat pasture shall they feed upon the mountains of Israel." (Yechezchial 33:11-15) Save your brethren.
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« Reply #87 on: September 14, 2014, 11:34:10 AM »
Excuse me sir good and bad people are everywhere so u shouldnt judge all by some bad ones and us pashtuns are most strongest and beautiful people in asia and we love afghanistan pakistan we consider them as mother lands and we are not intersted in rich countries and me myself russian born and proud 2 be and nobody wants 2 go 2 ur country and i know israel is only 4 jews so u need to learn how 2 respect others after all we are all humans i cant belive it u people are full of haterd

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We are full of hatred?! You believe in a religion that commands you to physically exterminate or forcibly convert all non-Muslim "infidels".

You not only want to murder all non-Muslims, you also slaughter millions of your fellow Muslims. In the Pakistan-Bangladesh war, the Pakistani Muslims murdered 3 million Bengali Muslims. If this is what you do to each other, we know you are not joking when you promise to do it to us.

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« Reply #88 on: September 14, 2014, 11:42:34 AM »
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We are full of hatred?! You believe in a religion that commands you to physically exterminate or forcibly convert all non-Muslim "infidels".

You not only want to murder all non-Muslims, you also slaughter millions of your fellow Muslims. In the Pakistan-Bangladesh war, the Pakistani Muslims murdered 3 million Bengali Muslims. If this is what you do to each other, we know you are not joking when you promise to do it to us.
Nobody converted 2 islam focibly and i dont know much about religion and u telling me we  murder non muslim are u talking about the american invaders who wants 2 rule on us so we should let them ruel and kill our children? Would u let the palestinians to rule israel? and killing people nothing 2 do with islam blaming islam or any other religion 4 what some murders doing is like blaming a car 4 an accident and even if animals could talk they would said it its humans not religion and i believe no relgions are bad its humans who are
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« Reply #89 on: September 14, 2014, 11:49:06 AM »
Nobody converted 2 islam focibly and i dont know much about religion and u telling me we  murder non muslim are u talking about the american invaders who wants 2 rule on us so we should let them ruel and kill our children? Would u let the palestinians to rule israel? and killing people nothing 2 do with islam blaming islam or any other religion 4 what some murders doing is like blaming a car 4 an accident and even if animals could talk they would said it its humans not religion and i believe no relgions are bad its humans who are
Americans invading and killing your children? ??? ??? ???????????????????
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« Reply #90 on: September 14, 2014, 11:54:02 AM »
Nobody converted 2 islam focibly and i dont know much about religion and u telling me we  murder non muslim are u talking about the american invaders who wants 2 rule on us so we should let them ruel and kill our children? Would u let the palestinians to rule israel? and killing people nothing 2 do with islam blaming islam or any other religion 4 what some murders doing is like blaming a car 4 an accident and even if animals could talk they would said it its humans not religion and i believe no relgions are bad its humans who are

Muslims converted hundreds of millions of people forcibly. The woman, who, thank G-d, killed Mohammed the murderer, first saw Mohammed's men chop off all the heads of all the men in her village, because they refused to convert to pisslam, the religion of death. Then, he tried to forcibly convert her, but she would rather die, so instead of killing her, he kept her as a sex slave for years, until she managed to poison that psychotic rapist, and then the blessing of millions of muslims killing millions of other muslims started.

Islam says to murder people. Hundreds of times. Here's a few examples http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/quran/023-violence.htm

If Islam says to murder people, and people read the book and then go murder people, it must be blamed. Of course you believe humans are bad. If I grew up around muslims, I'd probably say the same. The opposite is in fact true, because in civilized societies, most people are good, and it's just psychopaths who follow murderous religions or ideologies like pisslam or communism that kill people and are evil.
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« Reply #91 on: September 14, 2014, 12:11:54 PM »
Muslims converted hundreds of millions of people forcibly. The woman, who, thank G-d, killed Mohammed the murderer, first saw Mohammed's men chop off all the heads of all the men in her village, because they refused to convert to pisslam, the religion of death. Then, he tried to forcibly convert her, but she would rather die, so instead of killing her, he kept her as a sex slave for years, until she managed to poison that psychotic rapist, and then the blessing of millions of muslims killing millions of other muslims started.

Islam says to murder people. Hundreds of times. Here's a few examples http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/quran/023-violence.htm

If Islam says to murder people, and people read the book and then go murder people, it must be blamed. Of course you believe humans are bad. If I grew up around muslims, I'd probably say the same. The opposite is in fact true, because in civilized societies, most people are good, and it's just psychopaths who follow murderous religions or ideologies like pisslam or communism that kill people and are evil.
Ahh well thats ur opinions i believe its humans who are bads not religion and im  muslim got athest christain and buddist friends we nevet talk about relgion stuff we are just having fun and living in peace with each other as a human not as a different belefies
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« Reply #92 on: September 14, 2014, 12:16:57 PM »
Americans invading and killing your children? ??? ??? ???????????????????
Yeah they do and they are the 1 who founded the talibans and when afghanistan was under the controll,of sovite that time women and men had equle rights and afghanistan was in peace 2 but america couldnt stand 4 the sovite succes so they founded the talibans to fight against afghan soldiers and russians
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« Reply #93 on: September 14, 2014, 12:49:25 PM »
Ahh well thats ur opinions i believe its humans who are bads not religion and im  muslim got athest christain and buddist friends we nevet talk about relgion stuff we are just having fun and living in peace with each other as a human not as a different belefies

Opionions aren't facts, opinions are what you think about facts, and you happen to be wrong in your opinion that the most murderous, backward and insane religion on the face of the earth is like other religions. Many other religions are equally silly, but don't have commandments to kill everybody, or don't do that anymore. Only Islam still has the distinction of the major world religion that still promotes mass-murder.

Let's talk opinions. What is your opinion on muslims killing millions of people in Sudan for islam? What about the brutal killing of massive ammounts of people and even monks (http://www.barenakedislam.com/2013/04/11/myanmar-burmese-buddhist-monk-burned-with-acid-slashed-with-knives-had-genitals-cut-off-all-by-muslims/) in Mynamar? Muslims killed 270 million people around the world since 700AD. What's your opinion on the particular killings of women leaders, since Mohammed said a woman can never run a nation, and that when he defeated a nation with a woman as leader, he tied each of her arms and legs to camels, and commanded them to pull, and tore her apart and proceeded let his army make slaves out of the women and killed or converted the men. Now in your opinion, do you really think he should have used camels, or perhaps would horses have been better?
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« Reply #94 on: September 14, 2014, 12:51:06 PM »
anyways what sort of "Israelite" believes in a barbarous religion like islam?
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« Reply #95 on: September 14, 2014, 02:51:35 PM »
We see the religion of Islam as evil in itself.
We do not view all the killers and rapists and robbers of Islam as a departure from what the religion teaches, but rather as a fulfillment of their religion.
Here is some historical background about this evil religion of Islam
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/anti-semitism/Jews_in_Arab_lands_%28gen%29.html

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Muhammad, the founder of Islam, traveled to Medina in 622 A.D. to attract followers to his new faith. When the Jews of Medina refused to convert and rejected Muhammad, two of the major Jewish tribes were expelled; in 627, Muhammad's followers killed between 600 and 900 of the men, and divided the surviving Jewish women and children amongst themselves.(3)

The Muslim attitude toward Jews is reflected in various verses throughout the Koran, the holy book of the Islamic faith. "They [the Children of Israel] were consigned to humiliation and wretchedness. They brought the wrath of God upon themselves, and this because they used to deny God's signs and kill His Prophets unjustly and because they disobeyed and were transgressors" (Sura 2:61). According to the Koran, the Jews try to introduce corruption (5:64), have always been disobedient (5:78), and are enemies of Allah, the Prophet and the angels (2:97­98).
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Violence Against Jews
At various times, Jews in Muslim lands were able to live in relative peace and thrive culturally and economically. The position of the Jews was never secure, however, and changes in the political or social climate would often lead to persecution, violence and death. Jews were generally viewed with contempt by their Muslim neighbors; peaceful coexistence between the two groups involved the subordination and degradation of the Jews.

When Jews were perceived as having achieved too comfortable a position in Islamic society, anti-Semitism would surface, often with devastating results: On December 30, 1066, Joseph HaNagid, the Jewish vizier of Granada, Spain, was crucified by an Arab mob that proceeded to raze the Jewish quarter of the city and slaughter its 5,000 inhabitants. The riot was incited by Muslim preachers who had angrily objected to what they saw as inordinate Jewish political power.

Similarly, in 1465, Arab mobs in Fez slaughtered thousands of Jews, leaving only 11 alive, after a Jewish deputy vizier treated a Muslim woman in "an offensive manner." The killings touched off a wave of similar massacres throughout Morocco.(6)

Other mass murders of Jews in Arab lands occurred in Morocco in the 8th century, where whole communities were wiped out by Muslim ruler Idris I; North Africa in the 12th century, where the Almohads either forcibly converted or decimated several communities; Libya in 1785, where Ali Burzi Pasha murdered hundreds of Jews; Algiers, where Jews were massacred in 1805, 1815 and 1830 and Marrakesh, Morocco, where more than 300 hundred Jews were murdered between 1864 and 1880.(7)

Decrees ordering the destruction of synagogues were enacted in Egypt and Syria (1014, 1293-4, 1301-2), Iraq (854-859, 1344) and Yemen (1676). Despite the Koran's prohibition, Jews were forced to convert to Islam or face death in Yemen (1165 and 1678), Morocco (1275, 1465 and 1790-92) and Baghdad (1333 and 1344).(8}

As distinguished Orientalist G.E. von Grunebaum has written:
It would not be difficult to put together the names of a very sizeable number of Jewish subjects or citizens of the Islamic area who have attained to high rank, to power, to great financial influence, to significant and recognized intellectual attainment; and the same could be done for Christians. But it would again not be difficult to compile a lengthy list of persecutions, arbitrary confiscations, attempted forced conversions, or pogroms.(9)

The situation of Jews in Arab lands reached a low point in the 19th century. Jews in most of North Africa (including Algeria, Tunisia, Egypt, Libya and Morocco) were forced to live in ghettos. In Morocco, which contained the largest Jewish community in the Islamic Diaspora, Jews were made to walk barefoot or wear shoes of straw when outside the ghetto. Even Muslim children participated in the degradation of Jews, by throwing stones at them or harassing them in other ways. The frequency of anti-Jewish violence increased, and many Jews were executed on charges of apostasy. Ritual murder accusations against the Jews became commonplace in the Ottoman Empire.(10)

By the twentieth century, the status of the dhimmi in Muslim lands had not significantly improved. H.E.W. Young, British Vice Consul in Mosul, wrote in 1909:
The attitude of the Muslims toward the Christians and the Jews is that of a master towards slaves, whom he treats with a certain lordly tolerance so long as they keep their place. Any sign of pretension to equality is promptly repressed.(11)

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« Reply #96 on: September 14, 2014, 03:27:54 PM »
Im sorry, but I think this is a troll trying to troll us...

Going on and on about these pashtuns... I can care less if they are or are not a lost tribe. And this troll says she doesn't believe that they are, so who cares? One way or another from a Jewish perspective it is ridiculous.

If they are and they want to do teshuva, the door is open. But if they don't and they want to persist in their evil, that is their decision. Let them roast in hell...

This pashtungirl troll accuses America of creating the taliban. That is another lie. America did support al queda in the fight against USSR, but America did not give them the jihad which is commanded by the Koran. They did that themselves, and turned the very weapons we gave them against America, because as the Koran teaches them all infidels must either convert, die, or pay the jizzah.

That 'she' claims to be atheist is another clue that this person is trolling. Islam proscribes very severe punishments for apostasy. I wish that pashtun girl would go to her muslim brothers and tell them what she thinks about allah, I'm sure we will not hear from her again.

I hope that in the end we can see the troll for what it is. How many days have we wasted on this?

Islam is a wicked belief and those who practice it are enemies of G-d. As we are the people of Hashem they are enemies of the Jewish people. Personally Islam is my enemy...

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« Reply #97 on: September 14, 2014, 04:57:03 PM »
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The Pashtuns are murderous, cutthroat Muslim drug dealers. They are among the cruelest and most primitive people on the face of the earth. More than 40% of Afghanis and 15% of Pakistanis are Pashtuns.

The claim that Pashtuns are descended from the lost tribes of Israel is nonsense - the lost tribes completely assimilated among the nations of the world thousands of years ago. It would not make any difference even if the Pashtuns were descended from Israel - a Jew who embraces another religion is a traitor who has left the Jewish people. But to claim that they are Jewish after thousands of years of mixing in with every ethnic group in Asia is absurd.

Naturally, the Pashtuns - along with billions of other Third World people - would love to come to the modern and prosperous State of Israel. Obviously, they will lie and say whatever Jews want to hear to get into Israel, G-d forbid.

I can't believe that someone here writes that there a million Muslims in Israel as if that is a good thing. He writes about it with pride. Why not invite just invite Muslims from all over the world to come flooding into Israel?

Muslims are not welcome in Israel. Israel is a Jewish state.

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« Reply #98 on: September 14, 2014, 06:07:45 PM »
Pashtuns are muslims who inhabit Afghanistan where they form the majority of muslim Nazi Taliban, which is known for its savagely brutal treatment of women. They veil, lock, segregate, beat, stone, behead, mutilate their women and treat them worse than chattel. Of course, they cannot blame their Nazi so-called "religion" islam. As you know, muzzies are such sick Jew-haters that they blame Jews even for what their violent Nazi so-called "holy" books quran and hadiths say.

They often claim how the mind of their pedophile "prophet" Muhammad (ys'v) was corrupted by Jews and this is why he started stoning people to death (I kid you not, this is what these parasitic filthy subhumans claim). Muzzies don't like pointing out at their own Nazi religion, so this is when these muslim fanatics in Afghanistan invented this absurd myth that they are one of the "lost tribes of Israel" in order to claim that the reason they oppress women is because they follow laws of Torah, which muslim scum often likes to accuse of the so-called mistreatment of women. 

Even if there are certain customs Pashtuns practice outside of islam, they have nothing to do with Halakha. Pashtuns trace their origins to ancient Persians and had been practicing Zoroastrianism before embracing islam. Zoroastrianism and Judaism share many similar laws, so it is likely that Pashtunwali (Pashtun code of conduct) is based on Zoroastrianism. But the claim that they are lost Jews is absurd beyond belief.
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« Reply #99 on: September 14, 2014, 06:51:13 PM »
Im sorry, but I think this is a troll trying to troll us...

Going on and on about these pashtuns... I can care less if they are or are not a lost tribe. And this troll says she doesn't believe that they are, so who cares? One way or another from a Jewish perspective it is ridiculous.

If they are and they want to do teshuva, the door is open. But if they don't and they want to persist in their evil, that is their decision. Let them roast in hell...

This pashtungirl troll accuses America of creating the taliban. That is another lie. America did support al queda in the fight against USSR, but America did not give them the jihad which is commanded by the Koran. They did that themselves, and turned the very weapons we gave them against America, because as the Koran teaches them all infidels must either convert, die, or pay the jizzah.

That 'she' claims to be atheist is another clue that this person is trolling. Islam proscribes very severe punishments for apostasy. I wish that pashtun girl would go to her muslim brothers and tell them what she thinks about allah, I'm sure we will not hear from her again.

I hope that in the end we can see the troll for what it is. How many days have we wasted on this?

Islam is a wicked belief and those who practice it are enemies of G-d. As we are the people of Hashem they are enemies of the Jewish people. Personally Islam is my enemy...
I don't think you had to read more than one post to know this.
Be very CAREFUL of people whose WORDS don't match their ACTIONS.