White Guy Goes on Rampage Kills Two Neighbors

[muman613]

This story strikes very close to home, but I am posting it because I want to show that violent crime is not only done by non-white people. This murder took place in a nice section of my home town, near my good friend who is the Gabbai in my shul's home.

This took place a couple of weeks ago...

Mallejo police have identified the two men who were killed allegedly by their neighbor during an argument about politics Wednesday evening as Douglas Kahley, 50, and Michael Scally, 58.

Police arrested Martin Hohenegger, 65, on suspicion of the city's 12th and 13th homicides of the year. Hohenegger is scheduled to be arraigned at 1:30 p.m. in Subnoona County Superior Court.

Mallejo police Lt. Sid De Jesus said the fatal shootings happened in the driveway of Scally's home in the 300 block of Foulkstone Way.

"There was an argument between neighbors over politics," De Jesus said.

Police responded around 6:10 p.m. to calls about shots fired and two people down in the yard of a residence. Both men were pronounced dead at the scene, police said.

Investigators learned the shooting suspect was in a nearby residence. A hostage negotiator made contact with

Hohenegger, who surrendered to police about 45 minutes later, Sgt. Jeff Bassett said.

Hohenegger is a former Marine who served between 1966 and 1968.

Neighbor Lina Hilario said she and her husband heard what sounded like firecrackers around 5:45 p.m. and soon saw a helicopter hovering overhead.

She said Hohenegger is known as a polite man who would deliver packages to her if they were sent to his address.

She said Hohenegger was always seen outside talking to neighbors. "I was shocked. This is a quiet area," Hilario said.

[MarkQuinn]

Violent white crime represents an anomaly.  Violent black crime represents the status quo.  One shows us that everyone is different and capable of good or bad.  The other shows an overwhelming problem in society that can't be addressed until people abandon political correctness and start defining things as they truly are: to wit, we are all, for better or worse, the products of evolution.  A few decades of the civil rights movement, affirmative action laws and a welfare state gone mad won't change millions of years of genetic programming.  Black people as a race (not as individuals) will always be prone to doing the things they do.  It can't be changed.

In any case, for every example of violent white crime, a hundred examples of violent black crime could be presented.  Offering an example of white crime as some kind of illustration that we're all the same or equally prone to violence or whatever the message is supposed to be is an exercise not only in futility but in misdirection.  Taken by itself, the story of a white man who goes on a rampage is tragic.  But presented as some kind of evidence that my odds of being killed or assaulted by a black man aren't exponentially higher than my odds of being attacked by a white man, it's more than bit disingenuous.

[muman613]

Violent white crime represents an anomaly.  Violent black crime represents the status quo.  One shows us that everyone is different and capable of good or bad.  The other shows an overwhelming problem in society that can't be addressed until people abandon political correctness and start defining things as they truly are: to wit, we are all, for better or worse, the products of evolution.  A few decades of the civil rights movement, affirmative action laws and a welfare state gone mad won't change millions of years of genetic programming.  Black people as a race (not as individuals) will always be prone to doing the things they do.  It can't be changed.

In any case, for every example of violent white crime, a hundred examples of violent black crime could be presented.  Offering an example of white crime as some kind of illustration that we're all the same or equally prone to violence or whatever the message is supposed to be is an exercise not only in futility but in misdirection.  Taken by itself, the story of a white man who goes on a rampage is tragic.  But presented as some kind of evidence that my odds of being killed or assaulted by a black man aren't exponentially higher than my odds of being attacked by a white man, it's more than bit disingenuous.

I am not arguing statistics, violent crime happens quite more than you realize, often not making it to the national news...

The issue to me is not whether a person is black or white, it is where their soul is holding. I know some righteous blacks and some very evil whites, does this mean that all are one way or the other? Not really.

But my point, in this thread, is to point out that crime is crime, and victims are victims, regardless. By painting violent crime as a black-only issue is to excuse those whites who do evil. I am a judge who attempts to judge according to the Torah, that we should not favor one or another, but we should judge each case according to the merits.

PS, Mark... You appear to be a racist... IMO.. JTF, to the best of my knowledge, supports several very good and intelligent blacks who support Israel and the conservative cause, such as Allen West...

[muman613]

Mark,

I also question your statistics... According to statistics which are reported by the Justice Department in 2010 it appears as far as murder is concerned to be an equal propensity for black or whites...

A United States Department of Justice report which surveyed homicide statistics between 1974 and 2004 stated that of the crimes surveyed, 52.2% of the offenders were Black. A 2010 United States Department of Justice report which surveyed homicide statistics during the year of 2010 reports that the 49% of all murder or manslaughter arrests were of white individuals. 48% of murder or manslaughter arrests were of black individuals. An outdated report 5 years earlier on overall crime from 1976-2010 stated that "most murders are intra-racial" with 86% of White murders committed by Whites, and 94% of Black murders committed by Blacks.[20] However, the document does not provide any details concerning what races or ethnicities are included in the designations "White", "Black", or "Other Races", and there may be validity issues to the report due to the fact that many police departments did not report or maintain records on the race of offenders and victims until the 1990s.[21]

According to the NCVS for 1992-2000, 43% of violent criminal acts, and 53% of serious violent crime (not verbal threats, or cuts and bruises) were reported to the police. Overall, black (49%) and American Indian (48%) victims reported most often, significantly higher than whites (42%) and Asians (40%). Serious violent crime and aggravated assault against blacks (58% and 61%) and Indians (55% and 59%) was reported more often than against whites (51% and 54%) or Asians (50% and 51%). American Indians were unusually unlikely to report a robbery (45%), as with Asians and a simple assault (31%).[17]

Despite the differences in the amount of crime reported, comparisons of the UCR and NCVS data sets show there to be a high degree of correspondence between the two systems.[18] This correspondence extends to the racial demography of both perpetrators and victims of violent crime reported in both systems.[19]

Another statistic which you will not be happy with is that statistics show that most Serial Killers are white...

Having said this, and at the risk of being accused of defending the 'wicked', I will again relate the story about how much anger I feel toward a portion of the black culture. As most JTF members are aware we do condemn the prevailent black culture which inculcates a mentality of wanting to exact 'revenge' against whites. It is this 'reverse racism' which causes so many problems. I hate blacks who hate me and my people, and those I will stand against with all my power.

I also advise people to always be on the lookout when in a 'dangerous' part of town. Do not believe that all black people live by the same morals that we live by, and we should exhibit some sense by not going to ghettos or bad neighborhoods because there we will be seen as weak white folks, and taken advantage of by these gangsters. I have been accused of being a racist myself, in my youth and recently... But I have a more nuanced look now that I am older.

[cjd]

In my experience blacks are far more prone to violent crime... The jails are filled with the filthy animals... Old sparky should be placed back into full service and save the American taxpayers a bundle of money.

[Kahane-Was-Right BT]

12 or 13 is 12 and 13 too many, but can you imagine an "inner city" having only 12 or 13 homicides so far this year?   This seems like one of those "exceptions that proves the rule" (the general rule at least).  But obviously every race commits every kind of crime.  Still doesn't mean they do it at the same rates.

[USAReturn2GodNow1776]

Let's just be honest. White violence is more dangerous because it is more organized and purposeful and specifically targeted. Those in power fear it more and Jews and other minorities fear it more. This is why WN groups and such don't have to be as hateful as the Panthers, Nation of Islam, Black Hebrew Israelites, Kamau Kambon, etc (who call for extermination of whites) to get put on hate group lists like SPLC and ADL site.

[Ephraim Ben Noach]

In my opinion... socialism and big government are to blame! You see the same violence in White trailer parks, Native American settlements, Mexican, and black ghettos! There are just more blacks on the government payroll!

 I maybe wrong, but do we see the same behavior in Christian African countries?

[Rubystars]

This story strikes very close to home, but I am posting it because I want to show that violent crime is not only done by non-white people.

I don't think anybody's stupid enough to think that Muman. The reason we highlight black crime has to do with the FACT that blacks commit crimes at much higher rates than other people.

[Ephraim Ben Noach]

Oops ... I forgot about the Wops, the Bohemians, the Irish districts, and Chinatowns.

[cjd]

Kid yourselves all you wish about the details on criminal black behavior... The bottom line is the fact that most of the creatures are evil to the bone and nothing this side of h-ll is going to change that.

[cjd]

Oops ... I forgot about the Wops, the Bohemians, the Irish districts, and Chinatowns.

Well the wops won't forget you  ... I would go to any of them places and never give it a second thought.

[Rubystars]

Kid yourselves all you wish about the details on criminal black behavior... The bottom line is the fact that most of the creatures are evil to the bone and nothing this side of h-ll is going to change that.

Being "racist" has protected me from getting hurt a few times. Here's an example. I was standing outside my college campus waiting and had a drawstring backpack on. A black came up and stood close to me. I became suspicious of his motives and stepped away. As I did I noticed that he had been trying to get inside my backpack to steal my textbooks or anything else he could find in there. I didn't scream at him because he could've reacted by punching me or something, but I did turn around and look at him after getting a little distance and he walked off pretty quick. Now, if I was one of those liberal white girls who thought everyone was the same, I might not have even suspected anything was wrong and I'd have had to re-buy the textbooks and wouldn't have been able to do my homework either.

Granted a white guy could've done the same,  and I would have tried to give him some distance too, but I was put on higher alert due to being a bit racially aware and I knew immediately something was wrong.

I also knew better than to be alone in places where there were only blacks and no white people around, etc. I think in the long run it saved me a lot of grief.

[Rubystars]

I've never been scared while in an Asian area of town although I do try to be respectful of the fact that it is their neighborhood. I went to a great store they had a while back and bought a Durian. That was fun to see them get excited and come together and tell me how to eat it.

[Ephraim Ben Noach]

Well the wops won't forget you  ... I would go to any of them places and never give it a second thought.

Are you a Wop? You can call me a pig sh*t Irish Bohemian if you want!

P.s. it's all in good clean fun!

[cjd]

Are you a Wop? You can call me a pig sh*t Irish Bohemian if you want!

P.s. it's all in good clean fun!

It's not a question of my calling anyone anything it's the fact that the groups you mentioned should never be compared to the likes of evil black animals.

[Ephraim Ben Noach]

It's not a question of my calling anyone anything it's the fact that the groups you mentioned should never be compared to the likes of evil black animals.

The only thing I agree with you guys on is that blacks from Africa did not get the genetics that we did from Neanderthals. Besides that, the nanny state has created all of this darkness!

[cjd]

The only thing I agree with you guys on is that blacks from Africa did not get the genetics that we did from Neanderthals. Besides that, the nanny state has created all of this darkness!

Well the thing you have to consider is the fact that the picture in most parts of Africa is not much better than here when it comes to blacks in general... About the only places that they were even modestly productive was when they were being lead by the hand by whites... Left to their own they show the same evil tendencies they have here. 

[Ephraim Ben Noach]

Well the thing you have to consider is the fact that the picture in most parts of Africa is not much better than here when it comes to blacks in general... About the only places that they were even modestly productive was when they were being lead by the hand by whites... Left to their own they show the same evil tendencies they have here.

They were just fine living off the land! But once they became slaves, thanks to the Muslims! They became dependent upon someone else, So the government stepped in and took over! And here we are!

[Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks]

Gotta agree with Rubystars here. The fact is that negroes commit violent crimes at a much higher rate than whites or Asians (and especially Jews). Ask yourselves--would you rather walk into a dark alley at night full of negro youths talking about basketball or Asian youths playing with their Gigapets?

[serbian army]

There are many crazy whites, blacks, and Latinos. My experience with black people is mostly good and playing basketball with those guys was a pleasure. Older black lady found and returned my dad's wallet one time. Believe it or not I had many more negative experiences with people of my color.

[Rubystars]

There are many crazy whites, blacks, and Latinos. My experience with black people is mostly good and playing basketball with those guys was a pleasure. Older black lady found and returned my dad's wallet one time. Believe it or not I had many more negative experiences with people of my color.

Older black people are often (but not always) better people than their younger counterparts.

[Ephraim Ben Noach]

Just so everyone knows... I'm not some white hillbilly that's never been around black people before. A black man shot one of my best friends in the head while I was in the hospital with my mother! It was all over some stupid disagreement between his friends and mine. My friend's girlfriend was pregnant with his child. On the flip side, after my mother died a black man took me in and help me out and actually took me to my first concert and help put me through college.

[Rubystars]

Just so everyone knows... I'm not some white hillbilly that's never been around black people before. A black man shot one of my best friends in the head while I was in the hospital with my mother! It was all over some stupid disagreement between his friends and mine. My friend's girlfriend was pregnant with his child. On the flip side, after my mother died a black man took me in and help me out and actually took me to my first concert and help put me through college.

There are good and bad people in all groups.