My reply to FTF

[dawntreader]

Hello Chaim,

Thanks for answering my question last week, I think I now I agree with you that re-education camps for muslims would be an idea that would be doomed to fail.

I'm trying to understand why some people can be so retarded, the Quran is so full of logical holes and rubbish, how can anyone actually follow it's teachings?

One example of quranical rubbish: "The Jews call `Uzair a son of Allah, and the Christians call Christ the son of Allah. That is the saying from their mouth; (In this) they are intimate; what the Unbelievers of the old used to say. Allah's curse be on them: how they are deluded away from the truth." [Qur'an 9:30]

I think I am right in saying that the Jews do not believe that G-d has a son, how come this religion of nonsense (Islam) still stands up?

FTF,

I don't think Christians (outside of Arab Christians) say that Jesus was a son of Allah...since Christians believe Jesus was the son of the G-d of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob....

And as everyone knows...

Allah was NEVER the G-d of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. Mohammed just happened to pick one idol among many and say "THIS IS THE ONE TRUE GOD!"

Our G-d was never an idol, anywhere, at any time.

[ftf]

I know that.

Let me elaborate on what I wrote, to muslims Allah is G-d, to muslims, Allah is the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, now, when they read this passage, why don't they toss Islam out of the window as it's obvious that the Jews do not believe that G-d has a son.

Anyway, it was a stupid question to ask Chaim, I've removed it.

[Dexter]

I know that.

Let me elaborate on what I wrote, to muslims Allah is G-d, to muslims, Allah is the G-d of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, now, when they read this passage, why don't they toss Islam out of the window as it's obvious that the Jews do not believe that G-d has a son.

Anyway, it was a stupid question to ask Chaim, I've removed it.

Allah is the moon god of the arabs .
In the pre-islam era the arabs believed in 3 main gods :
1. Al-Let, Al-Oza, both were the doughters of the main god - Al-lah (=Allah), wich was the moon god, mohammed just made him one god, but it was just the same pagan god .

[chakma613]

I know that.

Let me elaborate on what I wrote, to muslims Allah is G-d, to muslims, Allah is the G-d of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, now, when they read this passage, why don't they toss Islam out of the window as it's obvious that the Jews do not believe that G-d has a son.

Anyway, it was a stupid question to ask Chaim, I've removed it.

Allah is the moon G-d of the arabs .
In the pre-islam era the arabs believed in 3 main gods :
1. Al-Let, Al-Oza, both were the doughters of the main G-d - Al-lah (=Allah), wich was the moon G-d, mohammed just made him one G-d, but it was just the same pagan G-d .

Odd..I thought the word allah was a rendering of the hebrew word for g-d, aleph-lamed, i thought the muslims stole it from us

[newman]

I know that.

Let me elaborate on what I wrote, to muslims Allah is G-d, to muslims, Allah is the G-d of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, now, when they read this passage, why don't they toss Islam out of the window as it's obvious that the Jews do not believe that G-d has a son.

Anyway, it was a stupid question to ask Chaim, I've removed it.

Allah is the moon G-d of the arabs .
In the pre-islam era the arabs believed in 3 main gods :
1. Al-Let, Al-Oza, both were the doughters of the main G-d - Al-lah (=Allah), wich was the moon G-d, mohammed just made him one G-d, but it was just the same pagan G-d .

Odd..I thought the word allah was a rendering of the hebrew word for g-d, aleph-lamed, i thought the muslims stole it from us

'Allah' appears as the name of the pagan moongod of mecca on many old tablets and idols. 'Allah'  ALSO appears as one of the family  names of mohammerhead's clan according to some historians.

Whether muslims understand this or really believe this 'god' is THE G_d of Abraham, Isaac & Jacob is open for debate.

[Joe Schmo]

According to Chaim, Allah is the Arab word for G-d.

On Ask JTF many months ago, a Sephardi Jew was telling the story of how his (Jewish)Grandfather (from and Arab country) refferred to G-d as 'Allah'.  The young man told his grandfather that he was wrong and that he shouldn't be calling G-d 'Allah'.

Chaim told the poster that he was wrong and his grandfather was right.  'Allah' is simply the Arab word for 'G-d'.

[Dexter]

Allah really mean God, but who said it's the god of israel ?
It's just means "god"

[Lubab]

I don't know if Chaim will mention this but many times throughout the Bible it says that G-d has a son and that son is the Jewish people "Bni Bechori Yisroel" "My first born son Israel" Exodus 21?:??

[newman]

I don't know if Chaim will mention this but many times throughout the Bible it says that G-d has a son and that son is the Jewish people "Bni Bechori Yisroel" "My first born son Israel" Exodus 21?:??

Lubab,

Isn't Israel is ALSO the 'suffering servant' referred to in Torah?

[judeanoncapta]

Yes, the Suffering Servant in Isaiah 53 is The Nation of Israel as a whole.

It cannot be referring to one person because it uses both singular and plural conjugation when speaking about him.

Most English translations ignore this fact and just mistranslate the plural form as singular in order to make it seem it is talking about one person which is what King James would like you to think.

I wonder why.

[dawntreader]

Chaim is wrong on this issue. He says that Allah is the Arabic word for G-d since his family are Egyptian Jews.

However, Allah was not always the same as "The Creator God."

Dexter was quite right. Allah started off as the Arabian moon god. And once Islam had spread and conquered areas, both the Arabian "one god" and Arabic culture became dominant. Then, the Christians and Jews who lived in Arab/Islamic controlled areas for centuries began to call "God", "Allah."

That is why today, Christian Arabs call God, "Allah."

To the Arab, "Allah" is the only word for God...because Islam has made it so.

[newman]

To the Arab, "Allah" is the only word for G-d...because Islam has made it so.

Correct.

English (for example) has changed immeasurably over 1400 years. What 'allah' meant 1400 years ago (to the arabs) and what it's taken as NOW could well be different.

[ftf]

I think I am right in saying that the Arabic for G-d is actually Illah, not Allah. One muslim prayer conatiains the words "There is no Illah but Allah" (except they'd say the whole thing in arabic of course)

Everyone posting here has really missed the point of my question...

[TheCoon]

Muslims understand Allah to be the god of "Ibrahim", "Ishaaq" and "Yaqub", not Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. Their perception of God is one that is wholly different than that of Jews or Christians.

[Mishmaat]

I disagree with the Rambam on this particular issue. Allah is a pagan rock god. I don't care what it has come to mean in Modern Arabic. The word gay in modern American English has come to be associated with homosexual, but it really means happy or joyful. I apply the same logic with Allah. Plus, the one true God cannot have a physical home in the sense of living in a black stone or building (i.e. the Kaaba). He cannot be limited to finite dimensions.

[Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks]

Allah may be the general word for G-d in the Arabic language but in the West, we all know full well what it means. I understand that kid's grandfather did nothing wrong, but in American use it only means satan.

[ftf]

No one has said anything about the issue I was actually asking about... lol

[DownwithIslam]

Allah is a devil. Nothing has killed more innocent people in recent times.

[newman]

'Allah' is no more of a problem than the volcano 'gods' of the South Pacific. It's their FOLLOWERS who are the giant pain in the tuchis.

[Tzvi Ben Roshel1]

Muslims understand Allah to be the G-d of "Ibrahim", "Ishaaq" and "Yaqub", not Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. Their perception of G-d is one that is wholly different than that of Jews or Christians.

  , different pronounciations.

[jdl4ever]

I agree with Chaim.  Allah means G-d, and the Arab G-d is the same one as we worship since they say he is the G-d of Abraham. 

[ftf]

I agree with Chaim.  Allah means G-d, and the Arab G-d is the same one as we worship since they say he is the G-d of Abraham. 

Muslims do not worship the same God as us, even if they think they do, the description of Allah in the Quran differs greatly to the description of God in the Bible.

[dawntreader]

I agree with Chaim.  Allah means G-d, and the Arab G-d is the same one as we worship since they say he is the G-d of Abraham.

They may say that he is the G-d of Abraham (Ibrahim...whatever), but how can this be when Muhammed took an existing idol and then "made" it the one god? I mean, he takes this idol and says "This is the god of Abraham?"

That's rather blashphemous if you happen to ask me.

Allah and the God of Israel are not now, nor have they ever been, the same God.