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Offline Yerusha

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Is it wise to antagonize Ivanka-Yael?
« on: December 18, 2016, 07:00:41 PM »



Ivanka is Trump's favorite child & she will have A LOT of influence, far more than his wife Melania http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/ivanka-trump-first-daughter-role-1.3902016

Has Chaim reconciled himself to a Trump presidency that could be good for Israel and even Geuladik, with Ivanka having been acknowledged as a Jewess by the Israeli Rabbinate?

You can be sure that the statements on this forum get noticed by some of Mrs Kushner's friends and get reported to her.

With such a powerful 35 year old woman so close to the president and his thinking, is it sage to antagonize her, given the many Torah dicta advising against unnecessarily agitating against the malchus and the reshus, especially as they appear benign, and even pro? Trump actually donated $10,000 to a rightwing Beit El yeshivah
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/221915

At 60 is Chaim immured, set in stone, and monosyllabic in his undying hostility to the Trumps, to the End? Or is he still with it enough to revise his opinions, if necessary?

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Re: Is it wise to antagonize Ivanka-Yael?
« Reply #1 on: December 18, 2016, 07:19:35 PM »
and even Geuladik,

Is there a false messiah you don't promote?

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Re: Is it wise to antagonize Ivanka-Yael?
« Reply #2 on: December 18, 2016, 07:25:02 PM »
Yerusha is right.  Why antagonize her?  It doesn't make  sense, and doesn't accomplish anything worthwhile.

If someone posted that about me, it would make me really dislike Jews, as a whole.   
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Re: Is it wise to antagonize Ivanka-Yael?
« Reply #3 on: December 18, 2016, 08:15:32 PM »
Yerusha is right.  Why antagonize her?  It doesn't make  sense, and doesn't accomplish anything worthwhile.

If someone posted that about me, it would make me really dislike Jews, as a whole.

It is a fact of life that Judaism does not allow conversion for the purpose of marriage.  To hate Jews for that would mean someone is sick in the head.  What did Chaim do exactly here?

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Re: Is it wise to antagonize Ivanka-Yael?
« Reply #4 on: December 19, 2016, 02:36:17 AM »
At this point in time I would like to give outreach and kiruv efforts a chance.
To explain to the Kushners why it is important to observe the Torah.
To explain to the Kushners that if you want to really want to improve the world in a substantial way, that improvement will come through helping along the redemption of Israel.
To explain to the Kushners that if G-d gave them some amount of material success in this world, it is because they were given a mission to advance G-d's will through their wealth and power.
What will be the results, I don't know.
Rashi on this week's parsha said Yosef/Joseph had to spend another 2 years in jail because he put too much faith in the Egyptian politician (the wine steward) to use his influence to get him out of jail.
It's true there is a difference here because I assume that the Kushners are closer to Torah than the wine steward was. But let's be cautious.

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Re: Is it wise to antagonize Ivanka-Yael?
« Reply #5 on: December 21, 2016, 04:31:55 PM »
70 year old Trump badly needs his nominally Orthodox Jewess daughter and son-in-law physically near him for moral & psychological support & counsel, & he is desperate for ways to get round the Anti-Nepotism laws
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/12/21/trump-team-weighs-role-for-family-members-amid-potential-pitfalls.html



So badly, that he may not be able to function without them!

History has shown that having Orthodox Jews so near to the most powerful man in the world will spiritually agitate the Amalekites!
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Re: Is it wise to antagonize Ivanka-Yael?
« Reply #6 on: December 21, 2016, 10:49:22 PM »
He can use Halachic laws to get around it. Halachically she is not his daughter since a convert severs all family ties.


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Re: Is it wise to antagonize Ivanka-Yael?
« Reply #7 on: December 22, 2016, 12:06:05 PM »
"Ivanka Trump assaulted on plane flight"
http://www.tmz.com/2016/12/22/ivanka-trump-flight/

Now if the assaulter had called her "you filthy Jewess!", that would be something: then she would really know that she has really The Tribe!

As a married nominally Orthodox Jewess, Ivanka-Yael should really be seen in public with her blonde locks somewhat covered with a snood, tichel, hat or wig!

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Re: Is it wise to antagonize Ivanka-Yael?
« Reply #8 on: December 22, 2016, 03:25:20 PM »
Seems that the fellow haranguing Ivanka-Yael was a Jew, Dan Goldstein!

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4059082/Ivanka-Trump-aggressively-confronted-man-JetBlue-sitting-children-screams-father-ruining-country-asks-flight.html#ixzz4TacrBYTD

Also in public the very leggy Ivanka-Yael should maybe comport herself a bit more like a tzenua Orthodox Jewess, rather than betray her yichus from Czech goyas-of-the night!

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Re: Is it wise to antagonize Ivanka-Yael?
« Reply #9 on: December 22, 2016, 04:21:24 PM »
Yerusha it looks like you are online stalking Ivanka, please tone down your creep level.

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Re: Is it wise to antagonize Ivanka-Yael?
« Reply #10 on: December 22, 2016, 10:31:50 PM »
Yerusha it looks like you are online stalking Ivanka, please tone down your creep level.

 :::D  not only her.

 Funny how this so-called "frum" person talks about Tzniut and comments on women's looks and how they should cover up while it posts the pictures of that person.
 Like seriously.
.   ד  עֹזְבֵי תוֹרָה, יְהַלְלוּ רָשָׁע;    וְשֹׁמְרֵי תוֹרָה, יִתְגָּרוּ בָם
4 They that forsake the law praise the wicked; but such as keep the law contend with them.

ה  אַנְשֵׁי-רָע, לֹא-יָבִינוּ מִשְׁפָּט;    וּמְבַקְשֵׁי יְהוָה, יָבִינוּ כֹל.   
5 Evil men understand not justice; but they that seek the LORD understand all things.

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Re: Is it wise to antagonize Ivanka-Yael?
« Reply #11 on: December 23, 2016, 04:45:12 PM »
I don't like  Ivanka's leftist policies.... I think we need to be against her socialist influence on policy decisions.

But I have nothing but support for her conversion, and more importanly... her raising her children as Jews.  Its seems so common for the opposite to happen... for Jews to marry gentiles... and their kids are brought up as either secular, or Christians.

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Re: Is it wise to antagonize Ivanka-Yael?
« Reply #12 on: December 23, 2016, 04:49:50 PM »
I think I read somewhere that her kids are enrolled in Manhattan's Ramaz day school.