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« Reply #1 on: December 27, 2019, 08:03:57 AM »

On Rudy Giuliani being more Jewish than George Soros

Soros and Sanders are apostates, and despicable. Rudy is a great friend. Although his comments have been criticized on the Left, his remarks actually were spot on.
Rabbi Prof. Dov Fischer, 27/12/19 14:31 | updated: 14:24
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Rabbi Prof. Dov Fischer
The writer is adjunct professor of law at two prominent Southern California law schools, Senior Rabbinic Fellow at the Coalition for Jewish Values, congregational rabbi of Young Israel of Orange County, California, and has held prominent leadership roles in several national rabbinic and other Jewish organizations. He was Chief Articles Editor of UCLA Law Review, clerked for the Hon. Danny J. Boggs in the United States Court of Appeals for the Sixth Circuit, and served for most of the past decade on the Executive Committee of the Rabbinical Council of America. His writings have appeared in The Weekly Standard, National Review, Wall Street Journal, Los Angeles Times, Jerusalem Post, American Thinker, Frontpage Magazine, and Israel National News. Other writings are collected at www.rabbidov.com .
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The other day, Rudy Giuliani said that George Soros is hardly a Jew and that Rudy is more a Jew than Soros. The Obama Jews who run leftist organizations like the Obama-lite Anti-Defamation League went wild, coming down hard on Rudy.

Of course. Jonathan Greenblatt, the former Obama official who turned the ADL into an Obama-lite operation, knows “nothing from nothing” (as my grandparents would say) when it comes to Judaic authenticity.

The reality is that Soros indeed is an apostate and, if these were times when Torah values defined the Jewish world, Soros formally would have been excommunicated by now. (Technically, since Jews do not do “communion,” we do not “excommunicate.” Rather, we put apostates are under a ban, a cherem.) Thus, although the chances of Soros showing up in my synagogue are less than nil, the fact is that, if he did, he would be in cherem. He would not be allowed near the Torah scroll or the Holy Ark. If he had come to recite a kaddish in memory of his Nazi Guardian whom he assisted in his teens, keeping records for that Nazi of property the Nazis confiscated from Jews, the apostate would be escorted out the door.

Same with the Communist Bernie Sanders, enemy of Israel. It is a requirement of Jewish law that certain prayers may be recited only in the presence of ten or more Jewish men. If Bernie Sanders were to show up in my shul — again, less than no chance — and if we had nine other Jewish men in the sanctuary at the time, we still would not be able to recite certain prayers that require ten men because we would not count him as a Jewish man.

Of course we could not count Rudy either because a Jewish person is someone who either is born to a Jewish mother or who converts to Judaism according to Torah law. So Rudy is not really more Jewish than Soros, just as President Trump is not really more Indian than is Elizabeth Warren.

But his figurative point is well made. We would accord Rudy every conceivable honor. We would welcome him to sit in the front row. We would honor him. By contrast, if Soros or Sanders were to show up, we would have to call security very quickly — to protect them from the members of my congregation. Soros and Sanders are apostates, despicable. Rudy is a great friend. Although his comments have been criticized on the Left, his remarks actually were spot on.


But it is not anti-Semitic to call out despicable louts like Soros and Sanders for the damage they seek to do to society. Each is deeply evil. Each is surrounded by evil. Each perpetrates evil.
The Left uses defamation when they have nothing else — and they typically have nothing else. So they will use the term “racist” to attack very fine people who are not at all discriminatory but actually are good and decent. They call others “homophobes” even though the targets of the defamation bear no ill will against such individuals. Most famously, Hillary Clinton went on her diatrible, packaging all conservatives into a “basketful of deplorables.” Her comment was epically stupid and dishonest, helping her lose the 2016 Presidential election.

Those on the Left aim to protect enemies of Israel like George Soros and Bernie Sanders by setting up a defensive wall for the evil they espouse, calling criticisms of them “anti-Semitic.” But it is not anti-Semitic to call out despicable louts like Soros and Sanders for the damage they seek to do to society. Each is deeply evil. Each is surrounded by evil. Each perpetrates evil.

Soros, for example, uses his vast amounts of money to try electing in targeted American cities local district attorneys who turn law enforcement on its head, freeing imprisoned thugs and refusing to prosecute criminals.  Similarly, he has thrown around his money to prop up JStreet, perhaps the worst enemy Israel has in Washington, D.C., an organization that offers a venue and microphone to politicians who want to attack Israel and threaten to cut off American support for Israel. Soros has given JStreet close to a million dollars.

How can it be “anti-Semitic” to call out George Soros for the evil he represents?  Orthodox rabbis all over the world despise him.  Supporters of Israel despise him. Indeed, it would seem that the real anti-Semitism lies in those who look at all the evil that Soros perpetrates and then defend him by seeing his actions as somehow reflecting those of a Jew. Why do his defenders see him as a Jew? At most, he is a Jew in name only. And actually not even that — because his family changed their Jewish name “Schwartz” to “Soros” as part of seeking to get through the Holocaust by presenting as non-Jewish. So, upon reflection, Soros is not even a “Jew in name only.”

In the same way, Bernie Sanders is an enemy of Israel.  One just looks at the supporters he attracts. He is endorsed by Ilhan Omar. He is endorsed by Rashida Tlaib.  He is endorsed by Linda Sarsour.  Imagine: With twenty different Democrat Presidential candidates from which to choose, one Jew-hater after another opts to endorse Bernie Sanders as her choice. And that love is mutual.

After each virulently anti-Semitic tirade, outburst, Facebook post or tweet that gets an Ilhan Omar, Rashida Tlaib, or Linda Sarsour into trouble with decent people, Bernie Sanders races in to defend them.  Yet he is quick to defame those prominent in defending Israel, calling Israel’s Prime Minister “racist” and calling for America to redirect huge amounts of its Israel support towards the Hamas-led government of Gaza that unabashedly aims to destroy Israel. Of course Jew-haters and Israel haters flock to support Bernie Sanders.

The Anti-Defamation League now is an Obama-lite organization, run by people from within the Obama Administration who flocked to ADL after the end of that chapter. It is not a reliable arbiter of who is anti-Semitic.

One simply looks at Rudy Giuliani’s life-long relationship with Israel and even at how he emerged to defend the local Jewish community of New York, where he was mayor after the Sharpton pogroms under the prior David Dinkins Administration, and sees in Giuliani a life-long dear friend of the Jewish community. By contrast, one looks at George Soros and sees an enemy of Jewish survival. The dichotomy is so obvious that it calls into question the ulterior motives of any person or organization that would describe criticisms of Soros and the money that he wields despicably and for evil purposes as “anti-Semitic.” Soros is evil. And anyone who defends him by invoking his Jewish lineage is himself anti-Semitic.

Rudy Giuliani is absolutely correct. George Soros is hardly a Jew. And, figuratively speaking, Giuliani not only is more Jewish than Soros but is more Jewish than half the Jews he knows.
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Re: On Rudy Giuliani being more Jewish than George Soros
« Reply #2 on: December 27, 2019, 11:10:51 AM »
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George Soros funds New Israel Fund that assist Palestinian terrorists and encourage terrorism

Soros directly funds the radical New Israel Fund, Mossawa and Adalah. The New Israel Fund then in turn funds HaMoked and other groups that assist Palestinian terrorists. JerusalemOnline has recently learned that Jewish American billionaire George Soros funds groups that assist Palestinian terrorists. DC Leaks reported that the US-based New Israel Fund received 9 grants from George Soros since 2002 totaling $837,000. The New Israel Fund in turn donated $116,990 to the radical HaMoked group in 2014, whose mission is to defend terrorist families in court and to prevent the demolition of their homes. 

According to Im Tirtzu, HaMoked, who has received over 11 billion shekels from foreign entities including the European Union, Germany, Norway, Finland and Belgium, uses their funds in order to defend terrorists and to submit appeals on their behalf.   Among the terrorists that Hamoked assisted are the murderer of Rabbi Michael Mark in Othniel, the terrorist who murdered members of the Henkin family, the murderer of Malachi Rosenfeld, the murderers of Danny Gonen, the murderers of Aharon Bennett and Nehamia Lavi, the murderer of Baruch Mizrahi, the murderer of Shlomit Krugman, the murderers of Hadar Cohen, and the murderer of 13-year-old Hallel Yaffa Ariel.

Im Tirtzu CEO Matan Peleg stated: “Over the past 2 years, HaMoked has represented nearly every terrorist who has murdered Israelis.”   According to him, foreign entities such as European governments and the New Israel Fund, which is funded by Soros, “operate in the Israeli Supreme Court by means of foreign agent organizations rather than going through the proper diplomatic channels.” Peleg called this “an attempt to alter Israeli internal policy” and stressed that it “not only harms Israeli democracy and sovereignty but bolsters terrorism.”  Unfortunately, HaMoked is not the only group encouraging Palestinian terrorism benefitting from Soros money, either directly or indirectly via the New Israel Fund.

According to the Zionist Organization of America, the New Israel Fund that is backed by Soros once gave the International Solidarity Movement a stipend.  The International Solidarity Movement is known for supporting “Palestinian armed struggle” and is on record justifying “the need for terrorism.” In 2002, members of the group assisted terrorists taking refuge inside the Church of the Nativity in Bethlehem.  In 2003, ISM activist Susan Barclay stated that the group works with both Hamas and the Palestinian Islamic Jihad, who are both recognized as terror organizations by the US State Department.

That same year, 3 British terrorists who were associated with the ISM attacked Mike’s Place Bar in Tel Aviv, murdering 3 people. Also in 2003, an Islamic Jihad terrorist was arrested inside the ISM office in Jenin while being assisted by two ISM activists.  In 2008, ISM activist Richard David Hupper was convicted of providing material aid to Hamas. ISM was also involved in the Free Gaza Flotilla, which violently clashed with the Israeli Navy. According to the Israeli Foreign Ministry website, “ISM members take an active part in illegal and violent acts directed at IDF soldiers. At time, their acts are under the auspices of Palestinian terror organizations."

According to Algeimener, the New Israel Fund that is backed by Soros provided Social Television with $239,480 between 2010 and 2015. Social Television claimed that a terrorist who stabbed a 15-year-old boy and was shot fleeing the scene was a “victim of terrorism.” This was not an isolated incident. The New Israel Fund that is backed by Soros also funds the 972 Magazine blog …

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Re: On Rudy Giuliani being more Jewish than George Soros
« Reply #3 on: December 27, 2019, 12:01:36 PM »
Rabbi Dov Fischer is 100% right.
"Cities run by progressives don't know how to police. ... Thirty cities went up last night, I went and looked at every one of them. Every one of them has a progressive Democratic mayor." Rudolph Giuliani

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Re: On Rudy Giuliani being more Jewish than George Soros
« Reply #4 on: December 27, 2019, 03:32:19 PM »
I wish that Rudy was mayor again.  Or maybe president.

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Re: On Rudy Giuliani being more Jewish than George Soros
« Reply #5 on: December 28, 2019, 11:17:59 AM »
Rabbi Professor  Dov Fischer is the former law student  & former JDL leader formerly known as Dov Aharoni & also formerly known as Dov Fisch & formerly known as David Fisch

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Re: On Rudy Giuliani being more Jewish than George Soros
« Reply #6 on: December 29, 2019, 12:27:06 AM »
 :usa+israel:                                                                             :fist:

Kol hakavod, Rabbi Professor Fischer is metaphorically
correct. Rudy Giuliani being more "Jewish" than Soros isn't
saying much being that it's shocking that Soros is Jewish at
all.With fiends like George, who needs enemies?!

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Re: On Rudy Giuliani being more Jewish than George Soros
« Reply #7 on: December 29, 2019, 06:09:07 PM »
George Soros probably agrees with Giuliani. He have said similar things in the past. He even said his mother was antisemitic if I remember correctly.

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Re: On Rudy Giuliani being more Jewish than George Soros
« Reply #8 on: December 30, 2019, 12:22:13 PM »
Everyone is more Jewish than George Soros.

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Re: On Rudy Giuliani being more Jewish than George Soros
« Reply #9 on: December 30, 2019, 02:21:58 PM »
George Soros probably agrees with Giuliani. He have said similar things in the past. He even said his mother was antisemitic if I remember correctly.

If you come from a catholic family and have a certain age this is understood. They brainwashed the people into it. So much more credit for Giuliani that he is not like this. Thank God that I was very lucky in this issue as someone who grew up in Germany. Similiar problems. With my mother I had it lots of more easy not to become an animal.
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Re: On Rudy Giuliani being more Jewish than George Soros
« Reply #10 on: December 31, 2019, 02:35:11 AM »
Ulli I meant to say that George Soros' mother was antisemitic. Anyways George Soros himself is very anti Israel and I believe also anti Jewish.

https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/george-soros


If you come from a catholic family and have a certain age this is understood. They brainwashed the people into it. So much more credit for Giuliani that he is not like this. Thank God that I was very lucky in this issue as someone who grew up in Germany. Similiar problems. With my mother I had it lots of more easy not to become an animal.

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Re: On Rudy Giuliani being more Jewish than George Soros
« Reply #11 on: December 31, 2019, 03:49:56 AM »
I think it's fair to say that George Soros causes more damage to Israel and to Jews in general than the worst non-Jewish anti-Semites of the present.
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Re: On Rudy Giuliani being more Jewish than George Soros
« Reply #12 on: December 31, 2019, 04:18:01 AM »
Ulli I meant to say that George Soros' mother was antisemitic. Anyways George Soros himself is very anti Israel and I believe also anti Jewish.

https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/george-soros

Sorry I didn't got it right.  :-[
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