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Which of these do you refrain from?

Pre and non-marital hugging.
13 (19.4%)
Pre and non-marital kissing (Including on the cheek.).
11 (16.4%)
Pre-marital sex.
22 (32.8%)
Shaking hands with an attractive member of the opposite sex who is not your spouse.
7 (10.4%)
None of the above.
14 (20.9%)

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Re: To What Extent Do You Practice Sexual Modesty?
« Reply #125 on: October 11, 2007, 07:36:58 AM »

NewYorker just doesn't get it. If he doesn't understand the need for morals in the US and Israel, then, I'm not sure why he's a part of this movement.

And it's not celibacy, celibacy is what is priests practice, and means you don't intend to have sex at all. Jews do not practice celibacy, we practice refranement from sex until we are within wedlock.

I'm part of this movement because we're all under the same threat from the bastard nazi muslim fascists and I agree with the JTF political stance for America and Israel.

On the refranement until marriage stuff, well, I'm 40 and not married, no prospects or plans of getting married, and there's a very good chance I may never marry, so that whole abstaining until wedlock, isn't quite going to work for me, M'kay.  ;)

And for the record, I'm not promoting my lifestyle, I'm just giving the guys some good natured razzing. Now careful while you get off that high horse, wouldn't want you to hurt yourself.   8;)




I've already taken up the question with Lubab.

There is NO prohibition on gentiles having sex outside of marriage. According to the Seven Laws of Noah (the laws that govern gentiles), the only sexual prohibitions for gentiles are homosexuality, bestiality, adultery and incest.

Jews are another matter. Their 613 Mitzviot are tougher than our seven.

Celibacy is also bad for mental health. Ask any navy chief, factory foreman or mining boss. Men who do not get regular sexual release go crazy, drink too much and start fights.

Sex outside of marriage is forbidden in Christianity, it's taken from Jewish law.

Good for the Christians...does that mean they have one ownership over the Noahides?

Actually, I do have a question...are Noahides forbidden to practice Kashrut or other Jewish Mitzvot that isn't a Noahide law?
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Re: To What Extent Do You Practice Sexual Modesty?
« Reply #126 on: October 11, 2007, 07:49:02 AM »
Yes but if a man/woman intentionally goes out to practice sex outside of marriage thinking they can repent after they've indulged in illegal pleasure, thats wrong! G-d is the most Merciful but he forgives our mistakes and after one has committed a mistake he should learn from it and never repeat.
Which is my point,  Sarah. WHatever a couple does, married or not, should be between them and G-d. I don't know about you but I don't have a heaven or hell to place sinners in. I'm human just like the rest of the population. No one is perfect.

I just want to add to this discussion...there are two main types of sins: One you do against Gd and one you do against your fellow human being...Both require forgiveness.

The laws which one commits against Gd will, for the most part, be forgiven because Gd is merciful..Gd willing.

On the other hand, sin against "Man" is another story...if you hurt another person, you need to be remorseful and hopefully you'll be forgiven.

So sexual immodesty might be a sin against Gd..and perhaps yourself.

The Torah as rules and regulations and the Talmud and explanations put forth by the Rabbis are fences to prevent one from getting addicted to breaking the rules...It's not just preventing one from fornicating..it's preventing them from getting even close from doing it by, for example, not shaking hands with the opposite sex.

In as much I understand and respect these rules, what my tempt me is far less what might tempt Yaacov or Tzvi..Like I always say, "To each their own".
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Re: To What Extent Do You Practice Sexual Modesty?
« Reply #127 on: October 11, 2007, 09:23:08 AM »
Anytime i feel the need...i handcuff my wrists so that i prevent touching myself...Is that kosher for you guys?

Sounds Kinky can I watch  8;)

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Re: To What Extent Do You Practice Sexual Modesty?
« Reply #128 on: October 11, 2007, 11:14:12 AM »
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Anytime i feel the need...i handcuff my wrists so that i prevent touching myself...Is that kosher for you guys?

Dan, that's way too much personal information for this forum. 

Mills, you are right.  Adultery is sex outside of marriage. 

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« Reply #129 on: October 11, 2007, 02:39:39 PM »
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Anytime i feel the need...i handcuff my wrists so that i prevent touching myself...Is that kosher for you guys?

Dan, that's way too much personal information for this forum. 

Mills, you are right.  Adultery is sex outside of marriage. 

And in that case, pre-marital sex is forbidden for Noachides as well.

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Re: To What Extent Do You Practice Sexual Modesty?
« Reply #130 on: October 11, 2007, 02:52:28 PM »
Anytime i feel the need...i handcuff my wrists so that i prevent touching myself...Is that kosher for you guys?

Sounds Kinky can I watch  8;)

oh really?  This is a religious forum (slaps my own face)....no Danny no!!! no dirty thoughts!
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« Reply #131 on: October 11, 2007, 02:54:02 PM »
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Anytime i feel the need...i handcuff my wrists so that i prevent touching myself...Is that kosher for you guys?

Dan, that's way too much personal information for this forum. 

Mills, you are right.  Adultery is sex outside of marriage. 


sorry lisa, i was saying that in jest..i don't own handcuffs.
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« Reply #132 on: October 11, 2007, 03:45:06 PM »
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Anytime i feel the need...i handcuff my wrists so that i prevent touching myself...Is that kosher for you guys?

Dan, that's way too much personal information for this forum. 

Mills, you are right.  Adultery is sex outside of marriage. 


sorry lisa, i was saying that in jest..i don't own handcuffs.

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Re: To What Extent Do You Practice Sexual Modesty?
« Reply #133 on: October 11, 2007, 06:07:08 PM »


People, we gotta get these boys fiancee's pronto!   ;D
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Re: To What Extent Do You Practice Sexual Modesty?
« Reply #134 on: October 11, 2007, 06:19:27 PM »


People, we gotta get these boys fiancee's pronto!   ;D

you should find a Jewish lady for yourself (im serious). Maybe what you have done and the lifestyle you have chosen is what prevented you from finding your soul-mate. Would you be able to come to Queens and meet this Rabbi who can help you out?
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Re: To What Extent Do You Practice Sexual Modesty?
« Reply #135 on: October 11, 2007, 06:39:44 PM »


People, we gotta get these boys fiancee's pronto!   ;D

you should find a Jewish lady for yourself (im serious). Maybe what you have done and the lifestyle you have chosen is what prevented you from finding your soul-mate. Would you be able to come to Queens and meet this Rabbi who can help you out?

You don't understand, I'm totally un-religious, and I'm pretty old (getting up there), and very used to it, you get very set in your ways after living like that your whole life, I wouldn't be compatible with a nice religious Jewish lady, a nice religious Jewish lady should be with a nice religous Jewish man, I'm not, I'm a nice, un-religious Jewish man, there's a huge difference.  :)
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Re: To What Extent Do You Practice Sexual Modesty?
« Reply #136 on: October 11, 2007, 06:47:10 PM »
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and I'm pretty old (getting up there),

Oh man, 40 is "old".....im not real close, but not real far either, so Ill be old soon...noooooooo :laugh:

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« Reply #137 on: October 11, 2007, 06:55:41 PM »
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and I'm pretty old (getting up there),

Oh man, 40 is "old".....im not real close, but not real far either, so Ill be old soon...noooooooo :laugh:
Forty is nothing don't worry it wont hurt a bit ::)
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Re: To What Extent Do You Practice Sexual Modesty?
« Reply #138 on: October 11, 2007, 07:06:58 PM »
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and I'm pretty old (getting up there),

Oh man, 40 is "old".....im not real close, but not real far either, so Ill be old soon...noooooooo :laugh:

Actually I have a young face and I'm fit, so people don't beleive me when I tell them my age they all think I just turned 30, it's flattering. As far as it goes, mostly I notice it in my attitude, , after you've been on the planet 40 years and having an active life a whole lot of things become "been there, done that" lol. It's good though, you can draw from experience in decision making and avoid a lot of the f*** ups of younger less experienced people.
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« Reply #139 on: October 11, 2007, 07:09:48 PM »
Yeah I get mistaken for mid 20s, its cool and I dont mind telling my age.
I dont feel over 30 thats for sure ;)

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« Reply #140 on: October 11, 2007, 07:13:20 PM »
Yeah I get mistaken for mid 20s, its cool and I dont mind telling my age.
I dont feel over 30 thats for sure ;)

I still don't understand how I'm not 19, I was 19, I went to bed and woke up a couple of times, then I find myself being 40, how'd that happen? 21 years? I just figured it'd be a little later in the week.  ;D
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Re: To What Extent Do You Practice Sexual Modesty?
« Reply #141 on: October 11, 2007, 07:15:17 PM »
i dont want to be 19 again lol(ok maybe and know what I know now:P) .....i love the age I am now, and every age ive been so far has had its VERY good points ;)

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« Reply #142 on: October 11, 2007, 07:17:26 PM »
i dont want to be 19 again lol(ok maybe and know what I know now:P) .....i love the age I am now, and every age ive been so far has had its VERY good points ;)

Yeah, knowing then what I know NOW. I was soooo, stupid back then.  :::D
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« Reply #143 on: October 12, 2007, 05:05:38 AM »
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Anytime i feel the need...i handcuff my wrists so that i prevent touching myself...Is that kosher for you guys?

Dan, that's way too much personal information for this forum. 

Mills, you are right.  Adultery is sex outside of marriage. 

And in that case, pre-marital sex is forbidden for Noachides as well.

Adultery is only when a married person has sex with someone other than their partner.

Noachides can have sex with anybody except: someone of the same sex, a relative, a married person or an animal. Marriage is a good idea, but NOT mandatory for gentiles as it is for Jews.

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« Reply #144 on: October 12, 2007, 05:17:27 AM »

None of the above. Life is to short.  :)


LIFE ISN'T SHORT.. LIFE IS THE LONGEST THING ANYONE EVER DOES...

WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO SOMETHING THATS LONGER

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« Reply #145 on: October 12, 2007, 05:20:08 AM »




LIFE ISN'T SHORT.. LIFE IS THE LONGEST THING ANYONE EVER DOES...

WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO SOMETHING THATS LONGER
Burn in hell, knowing me. :(

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« Reply #146 on: October 12, 2007, 08:14:24 AM »




LIFE ISN'T SHORT.. LIFE IS THE LONGEST THING ANYONE EVER DOES...

WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO SOMETHING THATS LONGER
Burn in hell, knowing me. :(

Well at least you wont be lonely ???

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« Reply #147 on: October 12, 2007, 09:09:53 AM »
I am going to hell for my firm beliefs on ligitimizing intermarriage and other unwholesome acts of religeon...

speaking of Hell has anyone heard of DANTE'S INFERNO....

i asked Chaim earlier but he hasn't heard of it

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Re: To What Extent Do You Practice Sexual Modesty?
« Reply #148 on: October 15, 2007, 07:37:17 PM »
So far, Ive done well concerning modesty,however at a price.Sin,is easy to commit,hard to get over....

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« Reply #149 on: October 15, 2007, 08:20:18 PM »

None of the above. Life is to short.  :)


LIFE ISN'T SHORT.. LIFE IS THE LONGEST THING ANYONE EVER DOES...

WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO SOMETHING THATS LONGER

Life is short, really short. Know how many days the average man has to live?

28,000 days, from birth to death, that is if you make it to 77 years old without getting hit by a bus or choking on a bite out of an apple.
At 40 I only have 13,000 days left. Used up more than half. 

It's short.

So get your a*ses out there and enjoy it while you can!  8)

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