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As far as jews in general what would be considered the worst offence

Intermarrying/Not practicing Judaism
8 (32%)
Encouraging Islam to Spread
7 (28%)
Becoming a Pacifist and Refusing to Fight in the Israeli Army
2 (8%)
Becoming a Black/Hispaninc Hating Nazi
0 (0%)
Trying to Prevent Fellow Jews from Worshiping
7 (28%)
Commiting Suicide
1 (4%)

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what is the worst thing a jew could do..
« on: October 11, 2007, 08:59:04 AM »
What is the worst thing a jew could do as far as crimes committed... ???

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« Reply #1 on: October 11, 2007, 09:12:07 AM »
It depends on the scale in which they commit the sin and is God's Judgement.

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« Reply #2 on: October 11, 2007, 04:15:54 PM »
The worst thing a Jew can do is not obey the 613 mitzvot and not show Ahavat Yisrael.
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« Reply #3 on: October 11, 2007, 04:31:20 PM »
There are worse things a Jew can do than intermarrying.  They can completely disconnect themselves from Judaism by becoming a Muslim anti-Semite, or even become a Nazi like Roni or other self-hating Jews.  I think that if a Jew became a Muslim, starting supporting terrorists and the destruction of Israel and cursed the Jewish people that would be the worst thing.  It would be even worse if he engaged in terrorist acts against other Jews.  I don't see how intermarriage can compare to things like cursing other Jews and spreading anti-Semitism.

What if a Jewish woman marries a gentile man and raises her children in Judaism?  Would that be so bad?
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Re: what is the worst thing a jew could do..
« Reply #4 on: October 11, 2007, 05:01:37 PM »
Going to a Halloween party dressed as Hitler after eating a bacon cheeseburger for dinner...
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Re: what is the worst thing a jew could do..
« Reply #5 on: October 11, 2007, 05:35:53 PM »
Rambam says the worst thing a Jew can do, is a Hillul Hashem.

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« Reply #6 on: October 11, 2007, 05:48:14 PM »
Rambam says the worst thing a Jew can do, is a Hillul Hashem.

What does Hillul Hashem mean?
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« Reply #7 on: October 11, 2007, 05:51:52 PM »
Going to a Halloween party dressed as Hitler after eating a bacon cheeseburger for dinner...

Well you'd think that if you've been reading the posts here for the last two days. But in reality, I'd say that's more offensive than sinful.

Worst thing a Jew can do? Be a traitor, convert to Islam, and cost the Jewish people (as well as non-Jews) their lives because of it. That'd be the worst I can imagine.  A Jewish Al Queda would just about be the worst thing a Jew could do. In the madness I've seen in the world up until this point, it is now not beyond imagining.
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« Reply #8 on: October 11, 2007, 05:53:32 PM »
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« Reply #9 on: October 11, 2007, 06:03:33 PM »
Thier was a post about this before. - According to Zohar- Have relations with a non-jew. Talmud- Seems that a man with a Nidda is the worse, and also Lashon Hara (evil speech against a fellow Jew (even if true), with some exceptions of when its allowed ex- to save the nation.
The Academy of Elijah taught, whoever studies the laws (of the Torah) every day, (he) is guaranteed to have a share in the World to Come.

‏119:139 צִמְּתַתְנִי קִנְאָתִי כִּישָׁכְחוּ דְבָרֶיךָ צָרָי
My zeal incenses me, for my adversaries have forgotten Your words.
‏119:141 צָעִיר אָנֹכִי וְנִבְזֶה פִּקֻּדֶיךָ, לֹא שָׁכָחְתִּי.
 I am young and despised; I have not forgotten Your precepts.

" A fool does not realize, and an unwise person does not understand this (i.e. the following:) When the wicked bloom like grass, and the evildoers blossom (i.e. when they seem extremly successful), it is to destroy them forever (i.e. they are rewarded for their few good deeds in this World, and they will have no portion in the World to Come!)

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« Reply #10 on: October 11, 2007, 06:05:59 PM »
Thier was a post about this before. - According to Zohar- Have relations with a non-jew. Talmud- Seems that a man with a Nidda is the worse, and also Lashon Hara (evil speech against a fellow Jew (even if true), with some exceptions of when its allowed ex- to save the nation.

According to Zohar- Have relations with a non-jew.   Whoops, guilty, several times over, lost count actually, probably do it again too. Gee, that makes me as bad as a Jew that converts to Islam and joins Al Queda? Interesting priorities.
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Re: what is the worst thing a jew could do..
« Reply #11 on: October 11, 2007, 06:08:20 PM »
Rambam says the worst thing a Jew can do, is a Hillul Hashem.

What does Hillul Hashem mean?
desecration of G-d's name
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« Reply #12 on: October 11, 2007, 06:09:30 PM »
Thier was a post about this before. - According to Zohar- Have relations with a non-jew. Talmud- Seems that a man with a Nidda is the worse, and also Lashon Hara (evil speech against a fellow Jew (even if true), with some exceptions of when its allowed ex- to save the nation.

According to Zohar- Have relations with a non-jew.   Whoops, guilty, several times over, lost count actually, probably do it again too. Gee, that makes me as bad as a Jew that converts to Islam and joins Al Queda? Interesting priorities.

yea, even worse then that is that you havent begun to at regret it. Id say you are allmost completly lost unless you do a lot and a lot of Tishuva, which is hard to do, but you can at least start by regretting what you have done and not act like a fool that is going to loose out in eternity. You need prefoessional (A big Rabbi's) help. Someone who can start and guide you on the tikkunim (rectifications).
The Academy of Elijah taught, whoever studies the laws (of the Torah) every day, (he) is guaranteed to have a share in the World to Come.

‏119:139 צִמְּתַתְנִי קִנְאָתִי כִּישָׁכְחוּ דְבָרֶיךָ צָרָי
My zeal incenses me, for my adversaries have forgotten Your words.
‏119:141 צָעִיר אָנֹכִי וְנִבְזֶה פִּקֻּדֶיךָ, לֹא שָׁכָחְתִּי.
 I am young and despised; I have not forgotten Your precepts.

" A fool does not realize, and an unwise person does not understand this (i.e. the following:) When the wicked bloom like grass, and the evildoers blossom (i.e. when they seem extremly successful), it is to destroy them forever (i.e. they are rewarded for their few good deeds in this World, and they will have no portion in the World to Come!)

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Re: what is the worst thing a jew could do..
« Reply #13 on: October 11, 2007, 06:11:29 PM »
All of the above.  Becoming a Communist, converting to Islam or just being a "sit idly by" ignoramus.... :)
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« Reply #14 on: October 11, 2007, 06:12:25 PM »
the first option should be - having relations with a Non-jew, a Jew cant marry in the real sense of the meaning. - saying intermarriage is giving the impression that its only about marriage and not the relations part (of which someone can do once or a couple of times and marry a Jewish women).
The Academy of Elijah taught, whoever studies the laws (of the Torah) every day, (he) is guaranteed to have a share in the World to Come.

‏119:139 צִמְּתַתְנִי קִנְאָתִי כִּישָׁכְחוּ דְבָרֶיךָ צָרָי
My zeal incenses me, for my adversaries have forgotten Your words.
‏119:141 צָעִיר אָנֹכִי וְנִבְזֶה פִּקֻּדֶיךָ, לֹא שָׁכָחְתִּי.
 I am young and despised; I have not forgotten Your precepts.

" A fool does not realize, and an unwise person does not understand this (i.e. the following:) When the wicked bloom like grass, and the evildoers blossom (i.e. when they seem extremly successful), it is to destroy them forever (i.e. they are rewarded for their few good deeds in this World, and they will have no portion in the World to Come!)

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« Reply #15 on: October 11, 2007, 06:31:53 PM »
Thier was a post about this before. - According to Zohar- Have relations with a non-jew. Talmud- Seems that a man with a Nidda is the worse, and also Lashon Hara (evil speech against a fellow Jew (even if true), with some exceptions of when its allowed ex- to save the nation.

According to Zohar- Have relations with a non-jew.   Whoops, guilty, several times over, lost count actually, probably do it again too. Gee, that makes me as bad as a Jew that converts to Islam and joins Al Queda? Interesting priorities.

yea, even worse then that is that you havent begun to at regret it. Id say you are allmost completly lost unless you do a lot and a lot of Tishuva, which is hard to do, but you can at least start by regretting what you have done and not act like a fool that is going to loose out in eternity. You need prefoessional (A big Rabbi's) help. Someone who can start and guide you on the tikkunim (rectifications).

yea followed by a comma, that's a big "yea", That is yea, to making having relations with pretty shikzas being as bad as converting to Islam and joining Al Queda, How is that possible? If that's your position, then it's mine that you didn't give that one too much thought did you? There's degrees of sin, and you don't seem to think so.

By the way, I don't even know what Tishuva means, but that's neither here nor there, I wouldn't waste a Rabbi's time, I'm a pretty old dog to be learning new tricks, and I don't even have the most rudimentary skills or foundation required, I don't speak or read hebrew, did you know I wasn't aware that there was an oral tradition until I heard about it on this very board, you don't bring a totaled car to a mechanic and say "fix it" that's why it's called "totaled", I'm way to far gone for a Rabbi to salvage, but no worries, I'm okay with the way I am. Eternity? What about it? I guess we'll know when it comes.
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« Reply #16 on: October 11, 2007, 06:40:46 PM »
Intermarry, That is the worst betrayal a Jew could do.

Worse than converting to Islam and joining Al Queda?  :o
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« Reply #17 on: October 11, 2007, 06:49:57 PM »
i think choice one is teh second worst...only because i have a feeling that if someone intermarried and stopped practicingjudaism..somewhere in teh following generations their offspring might return to judaism...

on teh other hand, if one Jew tries to disrupt others from praying to Gd....that's a horrible thing...i picked that.

All the other choices are reversable...
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« Reply #18 on: October 11, 2007, 07:31:34 PM »
This one i can'nt figure out how do ou change your color     
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I was referning to hating them not becoming one...

obviously that would be rather difficult

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« Reply #19 on: October 11, 2007, 11:35:09 PM »
Intermarry, That is the worst betrayal a Jew could do.

Worse than converting to Islam and joining Al Queda?  :o

I can be confident enough to say yes.
The Academy of Elijah taught, whoever studies the laws (of the Torah) every day, (he) is guaranteed to have a share in the World to Come.

‏119:139 צִמְּתַתְנִי קִנְאָתִי כִּישָׁכְחוּ דְבָרֶיךָ צָרָי
My zeal incenses me, for my adversaries have forgotten Your words.
‏119:141 צָעִיר אָנֹכִי וְנִבְזֶה פִּקֻּדֶיךָ, לֹא שָׁכָחְתִּי.
 I am young and despised; I have not forgotten Your precepts.

" A fool does not realize, and an unwise person does not understand this (i.e. the following:) When the wicked bloom like grass, and the evildoers blossom (i.e. when they seem extremly successful), it is to destroy them forever (i.e. they are rewarded for their few good deeds in this World, and they will have no portion in the World to Come!)

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« Reply #20 on: October 11, 2007, 11:43:58 PM »
Thier was a post about this before. - According to Zohar- Have relations with a non-jew. Talmud- Seems that a man with a Nidda is the worse, and also Lashon Hara (evil speech against a fellow Jew (even if true), with some exceptions of when its allowed ex- to save the nation.

According to Zohar- Have relations with a non-jew.   Whoops, guilty, several times over, lost count actually, probably do it again too. Gee, that makes me as bad as a Jew that converts to Islam and joins Al Queda? Interesting priorities.

yea, even worse then that is that you havent begun to at regret it. Id say you are allmost completly lost unless you do a lot and a lot of Tishuva, which is hard to do, but you can at least start by regretting what you have done and not act like a fool that is going to loose out in eternity. You need prefoessional (A big Rabbi's) help. Someone who can start and guide you on the tikkunim (rectifications).

yea followed by a comma, that's a big "yea", That is yea, to making having relations with pretty shikzas being as bad as converting to Islam and joining Al Queda, How is that possible? If that's your position, then it's mine that you didn't give that one too much thought did you? There's degrees of sin, and you don't seem to think so.

By the way, I don't even know what Tishuva means, but that's neither here nor there, I wouldn't waste a Rabbi's time, I'm a pretty old dog to be learning new tricks, and I don't even have the most rudimentary skills or foundation required, I don't speak or read hebrew, did you know I wasn't aware that there was an oral tradition until I heard about it on this very board, you don't bring a totaled car to a mechanic and say "fix it" that's why it's called "totaled", I'm way to far gone for a Rabbi to salvage, but no worries, I'm okay with the way I am. Eternity? What about it? I guess we'll know when it comes.

 You are right I didnt give MY  personal limited thought, but relied what was said by our great Rabbis and the Holy Zohar.
 - Tishuva means repentence. The fact is that you are still alive and its not too late while you are alive. A Baal Tishiva- someone who makes a complete repentence (as im sure you can) can reach a level higher then a perfect Tzaddik (rightious person) who has been completly rightious from birth.
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The Academy of Elijah taught, whoever studies the laws (of the Torah) every day, (he) is guaranteed to have a share in the World to Come.

‏119:139 צִמְּתַתְנִי קִנְאָתִי כִּישָׁכְחוּ דְבָרֶיךָ צָרָי
My zeal incenses me, for my adversaries have forgotten Your words.
‏119:141 צָעִיר אָנֹכִי וְנִבְזֶה פִּקֻּדֶיךָ, לֹא שָׁכָחְתִּי.
 I am young and despised; I have not forgotten Your precepts.

" A fool does not realize, and an unwise person does not understand this (i.e. the following:) When the wicked bloom like grass, and the evildoers blossom (i.e. when they seem extremly successful), it is to destroy them forever (i.e. they are rewarded for their few good deeds in this World, and they will have no portion in the World to Come!)

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« Reply #21 on: October 12, 2007, 12:47:11 AM »
Even worse than not practicing, I think denying his or her Jewish background.  This is unacceptable.

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« Reply #22 on: October 12, 2007, 07:21:21 AM »
Betraying their fellow Jews is the worst thing, followed by converting to a false religion.

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« Reply #23 on: October 12, 2007, 07:39:23 AM »
Thier was a post about this before. - According to Zohar- Have relations with a non-jew. Talmud- Seems that a man with a Nidda is the worse, and also Lashon Hara (evil speech against a fellow Jew (even if true), with some exceptions of when its allowed ex- to save the nation.

According to Zohar- Have relations with a non-jew.   Whoops, guilty, several times over, lost count actually, probably do it again too. Gee, that makes me as bad as a Jew that converts to Islam and joins Al Queda? Interesting priorities.

yea, even worse then that is that you havent begun to at regret it. Id say you are allmost completly lost unless you do a lot and a lot of Tishuva, which is hard to do, but you can at least start by regretting what you have done and not act like a fool that is going to loose out in eternity. You need prefoessional (A big Rabbi's) help. Someone who can start and guide you on the tikkunim (rectifications).

yea followed by a comma, that's a big "yea", That is yea, to making having relations with pretty shikzas being as bad as converting to Islam and joining Al Queda, How is that possible? If that's your position, then it's mine that you didn't give that one too much thought did you? There's degrees of sin, and you don't seem to think so.

By the way, I don't even know what Tishuva means, but that's neither here nor there, I wouldn't waste a Rabbi's time, I'm a pretty old dog to be learning new tricks, and I don't even have the most rudimentary skills or foundation required, I don't speak or read hebrew, did you know I wasn't aware that there was an oral tradition until I heard about it on this very board, you don't bring a totaled car to a mechanic and say "fix it" that's why it's called "totaled", I'm way to far gone for a Rabbi to salvage, but no worries, I'm okay with the way I am. Eternity? What about it? I guess we'll know when it comes.

Ah New Yorker....Don't lose yourself just to prove a point.  You didn't prove anything to me writing all that stuff.  Just becuase one might sound like an extremist in religion, let's say, doesn't mean you counter argue by being an extremist the other way...you look just as wrong as the other guy...

And Tzvi, nobody likes a preacher...If you must bring up a point of view that you feel is important to share, even if it is Torah or Talmud or Zohar...you should start your sentences with, "in my opinion, I agree with the Rabbis of the Talmud when they stated...because....this is what could happen in someone's lifetime if they don't practice it..."  Also, once you start saying, "we shouldn't do this because it is evil...and you'll soul will go to hell...yadda yadda yadda", the joke might actually be on you...so be careful and choose your words wisely..

this goes for everyone who is very religious and very secular...both are guilty in my eyes....
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« Reply #24 on: October 12, 2007, 07:42:12 AM »
Intermarry, That is the worst betrayal a Jew could do.

Worse than converting to Islam and joining Al Queda?  :o

I can be confident enough to say yes.


Please explain in your OWN words why it is worse to intermarry than for a Jew to conspire to murder other innocent Jews?
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