Death to pornographers?

[Scriabin]

Should we not put all pornographers to death?  Honestly.

[MassuhDGoodName]

Re:  "...Should we not put all pornographers to death?..."

First, please succinctly define the terms "pornography" and "pornographer" (otherwise I am unable to distinguish any and all representations of sexuality from those which are pornography).

[Scriabin]

Re:  "...Should we not put all pornographers to death?..."

First, please succinctly define the terms "pornography" and "pornographer" (otherwise I am unable to distinguish any and all representations of sexuality from those which are pornography).

You sound like a lawyer, or a porn producer, or a lawyer on the staff of a porn producer....

Anyone that makes money through the production of sexually explicit materials is a pornographer.

Pornography is sexually explicit material that is then distributed for profit.

[wonderfulgoy]

I've seen documentaries before, showing you behind the scenes of porno.  The women involved (99% of whom are white) absolutely love it.  THey get paid loads and are treated like queens.  They're just being paid for what they'd do in real life for free anyway.

And for lots of white women, it is their chance to get introduced to black men.  White women and black men were made for each other it seems.

[MassuhDGoodName]

Re:  "...Pornography is sexually explicit material that is then distributed for profit..."

With this definition, going to an elementary school, and distributing without charge drawings of human genitalia from medical school texts is not porno.
However, the artists who drew the graphics, or the photographer who made the photos for the text manual, and then profited from doing so, are guilty of pornography.

Score:  Several artist/photographers executed by the State, but freely handing out their work is ok!

Do we next execute the medical school directors who paid for the drawings and photos?...perhaps charge them with soliciting pornography with intent to distribute?

Do we also destroy the works of Michelangelo and other artists which portray human breasts or genitalia?

AT&T is the largest distributor of porno in the U.S.A....they own the companies supplying it to the cable TV industries.....

Just asking...

[Scriabin]

Re:  "...Pornography is sexually explicit material that is then distributed for profit..."

With this definition, going to an elementary school, and distributing without charge drawings of human genitalia from medical school texts is not porno.
However, the artists who drew the graphics, or the photographer who made the photos for the text manual, and then profited from doing so, are guilty of pornography.

Score:  Several artist/photographers executed by the State, but freely handing out their work is ok!

Do we next execute the medical school directors who paid for the drawings and photos?...perhaps charge them with soliciting pornography with intent to distribute?

Do we also destroy the works of Michelangelo and other artists which portray human breasts or genitalia?

AT&T is the largest distributor of porno in the U.S.A....they own the companies supplying it to the cable TV industries.....

Just asking...

Quit with the ridiculous questions, you know what I'm reffering to.   I'm talking about XXX, not anatomy textbooks and Michaelangelo's David. 

[Rhuan]

The death penalty is not something I really agree with, but I do believe that we should make pornography illegal.

[Carlyle]

And for lots of white women, it is their chance to get introduced to black men.  White women and black men were made for each other it seems.

Do you mean that these sluts have to become pornographic actors to get chance to have sex with Negroes? Your opinions are very strange.

[fake plastic trees]

I've seen documentaries before, showing you behind the scenes of porno.  The women involved (99% of whom are white) absolutely love it.  THey get paid loads and are treated like queens.  They're just being paid for what they'd do in real life for free anyway.

And for lots of white women, it is their chance to get introduced to black men.  White women and black men were made for each other it seems.

can you please quit it with the white women/black men thing...

pornography is evil, unquestionably.

[Scriabin]

The death penalty is not something I really agree with, but I do believe that we should make pornography illegal.

You don't agree with the death penalty?

[davkakach]

I've seen documentaries before, showing you behind the scenes of porno.  The women involved (99% of whom are white) absolutely love it.  THey get paid loads and are treated like queens.  They're just being paid for what they'd do in real life for free anyway.

And for lots of white women, it is their chance to get introduced to black men.  White women and black men were made for each other it seems.

You're hillarious!     And also incorrigible...

I disagree with imposing the death penalty without giving prior notice to the offenders.  If our society, as a collective, decides to abolish pornography, it must give the people who are engaged in this abominable industry an option to either stop, or move to a different country where pronography is legal.  If they refuse, then it makes sense to impose upon them whatever penalty society decides, including capital punishment---doesn't really matter, as long as you lay down clearly the rules and enforce them.

BTW, what do you mean by "pornography"?  I know of married couples who use pornography to keep their fantasies and love life vibrant, hence their fidelity to each other.  I also know of websites that carry amateur pornographic material produced by couples who film their sexual encounters just for the thrill of it, with no intention to make money from it.

On the whole, abolitioning porn or prostitution is a futile idea; there have always been prostitutes, there has always been infidelity.  These are part of the temptations of this world (in addition to food for gluttons, money for greedy people, etc.) that make living a righteous life so challenging.  What you should do, instead of abolishing these temptations, is is raise children who are righteous, teach them about the evil temptations surrounding them, and help them build a strong character to resist those temptations, rather than abolish those temptations.  If the draconian punishments in Islamic nations couldn't remove moral vice from their societies, then what chance do we have?

When G-d commanded Israel to keep the purity of an army when they go to war against their enemies, G-d didn't broaden his commandment to all of Israeli society.  He didn't say, "execute all prostitutes, close down all houses of ill repute".  Rather, He commanded to remove all manner of spiritual filth, including sexually-related filth, from an army, so that that army will be pure of heart and earn the assistance of G-d in battle.

Adhering to the existing 613 commandments is challenging enough as it is.  I don't see a need to add to them.

[Scriabin]

I've seen documentaries before, showing you behind the scenes of porno.  The women involved (99% of whom are white) absolutely love it.  THey get paid loads and are treated like queens.  They're just being paid for what they'd do in real life for free anyway.

And for lots of white women, it is their chance to get introduced to black men.  White women and black men were made for each other it seems.

You're hillarious!     And also incorrigible...

I disagree with imposing the death penalty without giving prior notice to the offenders.  If our society, as a collective, decides to abolish pornography, it must give the people who are engaged in this abominable industry an option to either stop, or move to a different country where pornography is legal.  If they refuse, then it makes sense to impose upon them whatever penalty society decides, including capital punishment---doesn't really matter, as long as you lay down clearly the rules and enforce them.

BTW, what do you mean by "pornography"?  I know of married couples who use pornography to keep their fantasies and love life vibrant, hence their fidelity to each other.  I also know of websites that carry amateur pornographic material produced by couples who film their sexual encounters just for the thrill of it, with no intention to make money from it.

On the whole, abolitioning porn or prostitution is a futile idea; there have always been prostitutes, there has always been infidelity.  These are part of the temptations of this world (in addition to food for gluttons, money for greedy people, etc.) that make living a righteous life so challenging.  What you should do, instead of abolishing these temptations, is is raise children who are righteous, teach them about the evil temptations surrounding them, and help them build a strong character to resist those temptations, rather than abolish those temptations.  If the draconian punishments in Islamic nations couldn't remove moral vice from their societies, then what chance do we have?

When G-d commanded Israel to keep the purity of an army when they go to war against their enemies, G-d didn't broaden his commandment to all of Israeli society.  He didn't say, "execute all prostitutes, close down all houses of ill repute".  Rather, he commanded to remove all manner of spiritual filth, including sexually-related filth, from an army, so that that army will be pure of heart and earn the assistance of G-d in battle.

Adhering to the existing 613 commandments is challenging enough as it is.  I don't see a need to add to them.

Obviously no one will be charged or penalized for offenses committed before said legislation is passed.

You speak of prostitution, but that is another matter.  Pornography is available to ANYONE at any time.  Prostitutes are never available to children and neither is prostitution ever exposed to children...but this is another issue.

I understand that the likelihood of such legislation ever being passed is less than zero, but this is a moral question more than anything else.

I am not a Jew and so I would like to ask, what did the Prophets say of pornography?  Obviously pornography did not exist during the days of prophecy.

[davkakach]

I think pornography is included in the general category of "Arayot"---anything that has to do with sex.  Most Sifrei Musar (Jewish ethics books) urge a Jew to refrain from even looking at a woman (not to mention depictions of her uncovered).

[Rhuan]

The death penalty is not something I really agree with, but I do believe that we should make pornography illegal.

You don't agree with the death penalty?

If you execute someone, there is always the chance that you have executed the wrong person, it's tooo final. Furthermore, how can anyone have the right to execute someone else? We are all guilty of sin, what makes us better than anyine else?

Whhat gives us the right to say that someone should die for their sins, while not punishing ourselves for the sins that we have committed?

[davkakach]

The death penalty is not something I really agree with, but I do believe that we should make pornography illegal.

You don't agree with the death penalty?

If you execute someone, there is always the chance that you have executed the wrong person, it's tooo final. Furthermore, how can anyone have the right to execute someone else? We are all guilty of sin, what makes us better than anyine else?

Whhat gives us the right to say that someone should die for their sins, while not punishing ourselves for the sins that we have committed?

If a person is convicted beyond a reasonable doubt, it is safe to execute him.  If there is any chance that he did not commit the crime for which he was indicted---it is probably better not to execute him.  If you practice Biblical justice, you won't have to worry about the legitimacy of your actions, for the justice you practice will not be man-made.

[Raptorman]

The death penalty is not something I really agree with, but I do believe that we should make pornography illegal.

I disagree.

Any laws which restrict out ability to view what we adults want to see is ridiculous and where does it stop? Who defines what porn is? To some JTF is porn and so would be n¡ggermania.com/n¡ggermania.org

And the women enjoy it? Is that why females in the trade have high incidences of HIV, herpes (almost a right of passage in the industry), drug, alcohol and mental problems?

That white women are in it to have sex with black men?

Give me a break.

[Rhuan]

I never suggested that the women enjoy it, don't associate me with "Get thee hence satan".

And, you say that any law restricting what an adult wants to see is rediculous?

So we should be allowed to see anything we want to see?

Where does it stop?

Child porn?
Dead bodies?

And then if your allowed to see anything, why not allow doing anything too?

So we legalise murder, sexual assault, rape, drugs, theft, peodophilia, necrophilia...

If forbidding an adult from seeing something that they want to see is rediculous forbidding them from doing something that they want to do is also rediculous, look where your logic leads...

[davkakach]

Rhuan,

Your idea is noble but too idealistic.  Of course, porn pollutes the mind and soul, and gives an incentive for people to engage in bestial behavior for money.  It legitimizes sick perversions.  It is an affront to womankind.

But on the other hand, prostitution has existed for thousands of years, maybe even longer---performing sexual favors for tangible benefits, instead of sex as part of righteous procreation within the framework of a family.  Prostitution was not abolished in ancient times, when Jews were much more righteous than today, when the Temple existed.

There is a commandment regarding a Jewish army going out to war.  It commands the leader of that army to keep the army spiritually pure and righteous by removing all uncleanliness, specifically prostitution, so that the Spirit of G-d can dwell in that army, and that the army as a result will win in battle, with G-d's help.  Note that the commandment assumes and accepts the existence of prostitution in general, and that it merely forbids its practice in specific locations and circumstances.  This seems as a rather very lenient moral standard, especially for what is supposed to be a nation of priests and a holy people, but that's what's written in the Scriptures.

This tells me a great deal about what society's approach should be in general regarding smut.  You cannot, you must not remove temptations from people, because this way you take away from them their ability to choose between good and evil.  That is our entire purpose in this world---to make choices, which, hopefully, are the right choices.  The battle between our bodies' base desires and our souls lasts as long as we live, and if the battleground is not sexual temptations, then it will manifest itself in other forms, such as gluttony, stinginess, jealousy, various addictions, pursuit of power, etc.

Of course you must do everything you can to prevent children from being exposed to porn.  But when it comes to adults---leave their choices up to them.

[Scriabin]

Rhuan,

Your idea is noble but too idealistic.  Of course, porn pollutes the mind and soul, and gives an incentive for people to engage in bestial behavior for money.  It legitimizes sick perversions.  It is an affront to womankind.

Of course you must do everything you can to prevent children from being exposed to porn.  But when it comes to adults---leave their choices up to them.

That's just my point. 

There was no such thing as porn when the Bible was written.  Porn and prostitution are NOT the same.  Porn is available to children in a way that is UNPRECEDENTED.  Prostitution can be and is HIDDEN from children.

Mark Twain said, (I'm paraphrasing) 'Children lose their innocence the moment they become lustful.'