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Offline Lisa

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Julia Gorin Wrote Me With More Information About the Croats and Serbs
« on: November 12, 2007, 10:20:22 AM »
Here's what Julia Gorin sent me this morning, with the help of research done by her husband:

Dear Lisa,

This is what my husband (who helps me with research) put together to answer more thoroughly your question. It's a little more coherent and helpful than what I sent.

Croatia sided with the Nazis, was given independence by the Nazis, and was run by the Croatians (Ustasha).  Croatia was considered a Minor Axis Power and Croatian troops fought in Nazi units outside of Croatia.  The Croatians built Jasenovac and other concentration camps themselves, ran the concentration camps themselves, and exterminated hundreds of thousands of Serbs and Jews without needing any help from the Germans. Ustasha Ante Pavelic's plan was to exterminate 1/3 of the Serbs, expel 1/3 of the Serbs, and convert 1/3 of the Serbs to Catholicism.  Croatia never had to face punishment for its WWII crimes and so Croatians deny the crimes to this day and instead view the Ustasha with pride.

Serbia (Mihailovic) fought against the Nazis and Belgrade was bombed and occupied by the Germans.  Nedic was a Nazi supporter, but he was just a figurehead.  The Germans occupied Serbia, built th econcentration camps, ran the concentration camps, and exterminated Serbs and Jews.  The only concentration camp ever built in an urban area was built in Belgrade so that the Serbs could see exactly what awaited them if they insisted on fighting back.  Serb haters love to label Mihailovic as a "Nazi collaborator" because he fought against Tito's Communist Partisans in addition to fighting the Nazis.  But the reason he fought against the Communist Partisans was that Tito initiated attacks against Mihailovic in order to spread propaganda against him (claiming Mihailovic attacked the Partisans and was siding with the Nazis) in order to shift western support from Mihailovic's Chetniks (Serbs) to Tito's/Stalin'sCommunist Partisans.

Mihailovic:

http://balkansnet.org/draza.html

http://draza-mihailovich.blogspot.com/2006/07/ronald-reagan-commentary-on-general.html

http://draza-mihailovich.blogspot.com/2006/07/photo-of-ronald-reagan-commentary-on.html

http://www.juliagorin.com/wordpress/?p=955

http://www.juliagorin.com/wordpress/index.php?s=mihailovic

Nedic, Croats, and Jews:

http://www.srpska-mreza.com/History/ww2/Jews/Almuli.html
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Re: Julia Gorin Wrote Me With More Information About the Croats and Serbs
« Reply #1 on: November 12, 2007, 10:30:11 AM »
Very good excellent article
« Last Edit: November 12, 2007, 10:53:34 AM by mord »
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Re: Julia Gorin Wrote Me With More Information About the Croats and Serbs
« Reply #2 on: November 12, 2007, 10:43:47 AM »
Thank you, Lisa and Julia.

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"HUSSARORUM ALIAS RACOW"
"Hussar alias Rac (Serb)"

http://www.myarmoury.com/feature_hussars.html
"Hussar or gussar originally meant "a robber" in Serbian. These horsemen served not only under the Polish and Lithuanian colors but also under those of the Holy Roman Emperor;"
http://www.husaria.jest.pl/rys.html
"Bardzo prawdopodobne, że początek swego istnienia husarze zawdzięczają Serbom. Po klęsce na Kosowym Polu w roku 1389 wszędzie szukali okazji do pomsty na Turkach.
Jan Długosz zapisał pod rokiem 1463, że w bitwie nad Sawą bił się Cohors Raczanorum (oddział Raców - Serbów). Po śmierci króla Macieja Korwina Serbowie udali się do Polski, aby kontynuować walkę z Turkami po usarsku."
http://www.angelfire.com/mi4/polcrt/WingedHussar.html
"The hussar concept began in Serbia, near the end of the 14th century. In the 16th century, painted wings or winged claws began to appear on cavalry shields. Wings were originally attached to the saddle and later to the back. In 1645, Col. Szczodrowski was said to have used ostrich wings.
In 1500, the Polish Treasury books make reference to hussars. Early on, they were foreign mercenaries, and were called Racowie from "Rascia" a word meaning "of Serbia." They came from the Serbian state of Ras."
http://www.fanaticus.org/DBA/armiesofthefanatici/DarrenBuxbaum/LaterSerbs/
"Serbian Gussars"
http://ac.bondurand.com/liste332.htm
"Les serbes avaient reconnu la nécessité d'une cavalerie légère, (...) ils développèrent leur propre cavalerie légère, les GUSARS ou USARS, d'où sont venus les hussards."
http://www.armae.com/contemporain/144epeesetdagues.htm
"Originaires de Serbie, les hussards furent des cavaliers d'élite, connus surtout en Hongrie puis en France, et imités par la suite partout en Europe."
http://members.virtualtourist.com/m/1b772/a9330/
"The area around the present Zorinsk (Ukrainia) belonged to the Serb Hussar Major Vuyich at the end of the 18th century."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arsenije_III
" Arsenije III (...) was inaugurating new Serb infantry and hussar regiments that were sent to the ongoing war."
http://www.gatago.com/pl/sci/historia/19850502.html
"Jan Długosz pod rokiem 1463 napisał, że w bitwie nad Sawą, biły się
"Cohors Raczanorum" / Początki husarii w bitwie na Kulikowym Polu
w 1389 r."
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Re: Julia Gorin Wrote Me With More Information About the Croats and Serbs
« Reply #3 on: November 12, 2007, 12:42:05 PM »
nice :) O0
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