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Religion in the US
« on: November 26, 2007, 06:00:48 AM »
I have to answer the following question:

"On the basis of theories about the origins and functions of religion (mentioned below), what are the functions that organized religion serves in the US society?  Can religion in the United States be said to be inbedded in other sociocultural institutions, such as politics?  "

What would you say are the functions that organized religion serves in the US?  Besides politics, what other sociocultural institutions would you say it's involved in?  education somewhat? 



"1.  Religion, a cultural universal, consists of beliefs and behavior concerned with supernatural beings, powers and forces.     Religion also encompasses the feelings, meanings and congregations associated with such beliefs and behavior. 

2.   Tylor considered animism--the belief in spirits or souls-- to be religion's earliest and most basic form.  He focused on religion's explanatory rule, arguing that religion would eventually disappear as as science provided better explanations.  Besides animism, yet another view of supernatural also occurs in nonindustrial societies.  This sees the supernatural as a domain of raw, impersonal  power or force (called 'mana' in Polynesia and Melanesia).  People can manipulate and control mana under certain conditions. 


3.  When ordinary and rational means of doing things fail, people may turn to magic.  Often they use magic when they lack control over outcomes.  Religion offers comfort and psychological security during times of crisis.  However, rites can also create anxiety.  Rituals are formal, invariant, stylized, earnest acts in which people subordinate their particular beliefs to a social collectivity.  Rites of passage have three stages: separation, liminality, and incorporation.  Such rites can mark any change in social status, age, place, or social condition. 
Collective rites often are cemented by communities, a feeling of intense solidarity.


4.   Besides their psychological and social functions, religious beliefs and practices play a role in the adaptation of human populations to their environment.  The Hindu doctrine of ahimsa, for example, which prohibits harm to living things, makes cattle sacred and beef a tabooed food.  The taboo's force stops peasants from killing their draft cattle even in timt

5.    Religion establishes and maintains social control through a series of moral and ethical beliefs, and real and imagined rewards and punishments, internalized in individuals.  Religion also achieves social control by mobilizing its members for collective action. 

6.  Religion can also promote change.  Revitalization movements blend old and new beliefs and have helped people to adapt to changing conditions. "


7.   Protestant values have been important, as they were in the rise and spread of capitalism in Europe.  The world's major religions vary in their growth rates.  There is growing religious diversity in the US and Canada.   Fundamentalists are anti-modernists who claim an identity separate from the larger religious group from which they arose; they advocate strict fidelity to the "true" religious principles on which the larger religion was founded.     Religious trends in contemporary North America include rising secularism and new religions, some inspired by science and technology, some by spiritism.  There are secular as well as religious rituals. 
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Re: Religion in the US
« Reply #1 on: November 26, 2007, 09:45:45 PM »
"Religion offers comfort and psychological security during times of crisis."


What other functions would you say organized religion serves in US society?

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Re: Religion in the US
« Reply #2 on: November 26, 2007, 10:09:57 PM »
For the rational mind, religion keeps us sane.  For all the mess we deal with in the world and our lives, religion and Gd allows us to organize and justify sadness, happiness, anger, etc etc etc.
If someone says something bad about you, say something nice about them. That way, both of you would be lying.

In your heart you know WE are right and in your guts you know THEY are nuts!

"Science without religion is lame; Religion without science is blind."  - Albert Einstein

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« Reply #3 on: November 27, 2007, 12:31:07 AM »
For the rational mind, religion keeps us sane.  For all the mess we deal with in the world and our lives, religion and Gd allows us to organize and justify sadness, happiness, anger, etc etc etc.

Good points.

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Re: Religion in the US
« Reply #4 on: November 27, 2007, 01:12:10 AM »
Religion was in the past and in some cases even today "The Glue that makes the society stick together" by making a homogeneous culture. Also, religion can be used to make the masses do what the leaders/religion's presets ask for in a unified form.

I think I'll option 1.
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Re: Religion in the US
« Reply #5 on: November 27, 2007, 01:16:54 AM »
I think you should look for Karl Marx'es final thesis. It was about religion and society.
Not a foreign land we took and not with foreign possession but a land that belong to our ancestors that was occupied without a trial. And when we had the opportunity, we took our land back.
-Shimon Maccabee's answer to Antiochus VII Sidetes.

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« Reply #6 on: November 27, 2007, 01:26:37 AM »
I think you should look for Karl Marx'es final thesis. It was about religion and society.

An atheist site has this quote:  "    Religious distress is at the same time the expression of real distress and the protest against real distress. Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world, just as it is the spirit of a spiritless situation. It is the opium of the people. The abolition of religion as the illusory happiness of the people is required for their real happiness. The demand to give up the illusion about its condition is the demand to give up a condition which needs illusions."
    - Karl Marx, Critique of Hegel’s Philosophy of Right

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Re: Religion in the US
« Reply #7 on: November 27, 2007, 01:28:59 AM »
Plus:
"The more man puts into God, the less he retains in himself. The worker puts his life into the object; but now his life no longer belongs to him, but to the object."
Karl Marx.
Not a foreign land we took and not with foreign possession but a land that belong to our ancestors that was occupied without a trial. And when we had the opportunity, we took our land back.
-Shimon Maccabee's answer to Antiochus VII Sidetes.

"When fighting monsters, be wary not to become one... When you gaze into the abyss, it also gazes into you."
- Friedrich Nietzsche

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Re: Religion in the US
« Reply #8 on: November 27, 2007, 01:31:01 AM »
Karl Marx was influinced by Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel and Hegelianism.
The Dialectic of a Drinking Glass.

Thesis: Looking at a glass with some water in it, consciousness would not see anything at all if it did not distinguish between what is water and what is not water. If we suppose that consciousness begins as an optimist, then its thesis is an argument that the glass is half-full.

Antithesis: Faced with the objection that this is not the whole truth, consciousness becomes a pessimist who argues for the antithesis that the glass is half-empty. The antithesis is the opposite of the thesis.

Synthesis: Faced with the objection that this is not the whole truth either, and having already taken both sides, consciousness realizes that the whole truth is a synthesis: the volume that is empty equals the volume that is full.

Marx applied Hegelianism to all of society and life especially to oppose dogmatic religious, political and economic claims. He believed that society can only move forward through dialectical reasoning. Of course, this ultimately leaves no place for ultimate truth.

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http://www.ukapologetics.net/MARX.html
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-Shimon Maccabee's answer to Antiochus VII Sidetes.

"When fighting monsters, be wary not to become one... When you gaze into the abyss, it also gazes into you."
- Friedrich Nietzsche

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Re: Religion in the US
« Reply #9 on: November 27, 2007, 01:45:02 AM »
Well, I'll add that religion makes people not afraid of dying. 
"Enough weeping and wailing; and the following of leaders & rabbis who are pygmies of little faith & less understanding."
"I believe very much in a nation beating their swords into plowshears but when my enemy has a sword I don't want a plowshear"
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Re: Religion in the US
« Reply #10 on: November 27, 2007, 01:46:34 AM »
It also buys mansions, limousines and gold jewellry for TV preachers.

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« Reply #11 on: November 27, 2007, 01:54:11 AM »
Well, I'll add that religion makes people not afraid of dying. 

Does this relate to how some people believe that they'll receive rewards in an afterlife?

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« Reply #12 on: November 27, 2007, 01:55:13 AM »
Well, I'll add that religion makes people not afraid of dying. 

Does this relate to how some people believe that they'll receive rewards in an afterlife?
Yes. 
"Enough weeping and wailing; and the following of leaders & rabbis who are pygmies of little faith & less understanding."
"I believe very much in a nation beating their swords into plowshears but when my enemy has a sword I don't want a plowshear"
-Rabbi Meir Kahane Zs'l HYD

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Re: Religion in the US
« Reply #13 on: November 27, 2007, 01:59:12 AM »
Which institutions would you say that religion is involved in? Politics?  Any others?

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« Reply #14 on: November 27, 2007, 03:16:31 AM »
It also buys mansions, limousines and gold jewellry for TV preachers.

A senator is investigating several preachers.

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« Reply #15 on: November 27, 2007, 03:28:13 AM »
It also buys mansions, limousines and gold jewellry for TV preachers.

A senator is investigating several preachers.

It's a good business.

Bilk millions from the gullible and stupid, jump every hooker in sight and when you're busted say.."I done sinned brothers & sisters, the devil done made me do it"...then they give you more!

Beats working.

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« Reply #16 on: November 27, 2007, 05:02:36 AM »
Which institutions would you say that religion is involved in? Politics?  Any others?

I'd say it plays a role in education with the debate between creation theory vs. evolution. 

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« Reply #17 on: November 27, 2007, 09:50:54 PM »
Religion plays a tremendous role in politics. Politicians cozy up to large church leaders in order to gain votes from their gigantic congregations.

Religion is involved in Social Welfare institutions. Some charitable organizations try to hold religion over our heads in order to make us contribute to them. "You see that poor man on the street? G-d does not want him to die so you should give us money so we can take care of him"

Religion plays a large role in some capitalistic industries like Greeting Card Companies. Greeting card companies make a lot of money by playing off of people's love of religion and the holidays that go with it.

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« Reply #18 on: November 28, 2007, 12:13:49 AM »
Religion plays a tremendous role in politics. Politicians cozy up to large church leaders in order to gain votes from their gigantic congregations.

Religion is involved in Social Welfare institutions. Some charitable organizations try to hold religion over our heads in order to make us contribute to them. "You see that poor man on the street? G-d does not want him to die so you should give us money so we can take care of him"

Religion plays a large role in some capitalistic industries like Greeting Card Companies. Greeting card companies make a lot of money by playing off of people's love of religion and the holidays that go with it.


Good points. 

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« Reply #19 on: November 28, 2007, 12:21:51 AM »
Which institutions would you say that religion is involved in? Politics?  Any others?

Religion on one hand should be personal. Every individual, every family, and every culture speaks to Gd differently and if it is righteous, it shoudl be respected and learned about for the sake of peace.

On the other hand, religion is extremely important in ethics...whether it is the ethics of medicine, dentistry, law, engineering, business, banking, teaching, preaching, politics, etc.  Therefore, those who are decision makers in any of these fields need to carry righteous ethics.
If someone says something bad about you, say something nice about them. That way, both of you would be lying.

In your heart you know WE are right and in your guts you know THEY are nuts!

"Science without religion is lame; Religion without science is blind."  - Albert Einstein

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Re: Religion in the US
« Reply #20 on: November 28, 2007, 05:05:43 AM »
I have to also answer the following:

"Is religion declining or becoming increasingly important in contemporary society? Why? If you believe that religion is declining, what is replacing it?" 

Unlike what the ACLU wants people to believe, polls say that a low percentage people in the US.  Is the percentage higher in European countries? 

I'd say that religion is practiced less than in past generations. 

What would you say has replaced it?  The media's obsession with Britney Spears?  Obsession with corporations trying to increase the profits by a higher amount compared to previous quarterly earnings or years, that they do fraudulent things like Enron? 

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Re: Religion in the US
« Reply #21 on: November 28, 2007, 08:59:22 PM »
There is no vacuum. Without religion, people will look for something. So they will turn to someone evil like Hitler.




Do you know of any examples of what's filled the vacuum?