So if Secular Jews have declined to 20% of Israel's population...

[yeshuadisciple]

why do you still have these crazy governments that don't believe the Bible and want to give away all your land? 

Here's a link to a Christian website that has regular Israel news updates:

http://www.davidhocking.org/blog/?p=270

It says secular Jews have declined from 40 to 20 percent in the last 30 years.  So do the secular Jews align themselves with the Arab parties and sell out religious parties? 

[newman]

There are more than just secular and Orthodox. There are reform, conservative, reconstructionist and 'Traditional' Jews, too. Many of these are still insane enough to vote Kadima.

[jdl4ever]

To be honest, I think that even if the Secular declined to 20% things would not change too much since a lot of the religious Jews in Israel are not Kahanist are are afraid of "what the world will say" and the ultra religious Charedim would do the same thing since they are afraid of actually going out of Yeshiva and applying the Torah they learned.  But it would be a great start since a lot of the religious want to do what the Bible says and throw out the Arabs so at least the Kahanist party will not be banned any more and we will take power.

[newman]

To be honest, I think that even if the Secular declined to 20% things would not change too much since a lot of the religious Jews in Israel are not Kahanist are are afraid of "what the world will say" and the ultra religious Charedim would do the same thing since they are afraid of actually going out of Yeshiva and applying the Torah they learned.  But it would be a great start since a lot of the religious want to do what the Bible says and throw out the Arabs so at least the Kahanist party will not be banned any more and we will take power.

When they do get out of the Yeshiva they apply 'crazy' Torah.

Charedim soldiers refuse to carry stretchers with female soldiers on them! That's nuts!!

I know it's not kosher to touch a woman you're not married to inappropriately but how can they justify not carrying a wounded Jewess to safety?

[jdl4ever]

Exactly right Newman, many of these kinds of people are outright crazy as is their Rabbis.  They simply are ignorant in Torah so they invent their own Torah by just saying "it's forbidden" to everything they don't know and being blind sheep they just follow what their Rabbi says.  My grandfather suggested this about the CXXXXX living in his town of Europe where the Rabbi of that group actually informed to the government against my grandfather's father.

[newman]

Exactly right Newman, many of these kinds of people are outright crazy as is their Rabbis.  They simply are ignorant in Torah so they invent their own Torah by just saying "it's forbidden" to everything they don't know and being blind sheep they just follow what their Rabbi says.  My grandfather suggested this about the CXXXXX living in his town of Europe where the Rabbi of that group actually informed to the government against my grandfather's father.

Many people besides the Charedim want to abrogate their responsibility to think. Look at the christians who blindly follow a particular minister. They end up drinking poison coolaid in Guyana or burning in Waco.

Just as we would get a second opinion on medical matters we should do the same in religion.

[yeshuadisciple]

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[jdl4ever]

For there is one G-d, and one mediator also between G-d and men, the man Christ Jesus,

It would be nice if you could not say things that will cause fighting on this forum as we all (Jews, Gentiles and Christians) want to work together to accomplish the same goal and we must put aside our differences by not saying such things that bring out division.  You won't hear me saying negative things about Christianity or things that will offend our righteous Christian members for this reason.  Our perspective is that medicinal cures on Sabbath unless it is a life saving emergency is forbidden at least back then because picking from the plant and grinding the medicinal herbs is considered working and working on the Sabbath is not permitted. 

[yeshuadisciple]

For there is one G-d, and one mediator also between G-d and men, the man Christ Jesus,

It would be nice if you could not say things that will cause fighting on this forum as we all (Jews, Gentiles and Christians) want to work together to accomplish the same goal and we must put aside our differences by not saying such things that bring out division.  You won't hear me saying negative things about Christianity or things that will offend our righteous Christian members for this reason.  Our perspective is that medicinal cures on Sabbath unless it is a life saving emergency is forbidden at least back then because picking from the plant and grinding the medicinal herbs is considered working and working on the Sabbath is permitted. 

Right, got it.

[newman]

For there is one G-d, and one mediator also between G-d and men, the man Christ Jesus,

It would be nice if you could not say things that will cause fighting on this forum as we all (Jews, Gentiles and Christians) want to work together to accomplish the same goal and we must put aside our differences by not saying such things that bring out division.  You won't hear me saying negative things about Christianity or things that will offend our righteous Christian members for this reason.  Our perspective is that medicinal cures on Sabbath unless it is a life saving emergency is forbidden at least back then because picking from the plant and grinding the medicinal herbs is considered working and working on the Sabbath is permitted. 

Right, got it.

Talmud is very involved. There are even rules about if two people each leading laden donkies down a narrow mountain path meeting exactly halfway up, which one has to back up.

Ask a question like "Can I heat up soup on Shabbat if an elderly person gets pneumonia and will die without hot soup?" and it will set learned Torah schollars arguing for hours.

[yeshuadisciple]

For there is one G-d, and one mediator also between G-d and men, the man Christ Jesus,

It would be nice if you could not say things that will cause fighting on this forum as we all (Jews, Gentiles and Christians) want to work together to accomplish the same goal and we must put aside our differences by not saying such things that bring out division.  You won't hear me saying negative things about Christianity or things that will offend our righteous Christian members for this reason.  Our perspective is that medicinal cures on Sabbath unless it is a life saving emergency is forbidden at least back then because picking from the plant and grinding the medicinal herbs is considered working and working on the Sabbath is permitted. 

Right, got it.

Talmud is very involved. There are even rules about if two people each leading laden donkies down a narrow mountain path meeting exactly halfway up, which one has to back up.

Ask a question like "Can I heat up soup on Shabbat if an elderly person gets pneumonia and will die without hot soup?" and it will set learned Torah schollars arguing for hours.

I've heard the line that if you ask 2 Jews for an opinion about religion you'll get 3 answers.  Obviously tongue in cheek but funny.

[newman]

For there is one G-d, and one mediator also between G-d and men, the man Christ Jesus,

It would be nice if you could not say things that will cause fighting on this forum as we all (Jews, Gentiles and Christians) want to work together to accomplish the same goal and we must put aside our differences by not saying such things that bring out division.  You won't hear me saying negative things about Christianity or things that will offend our righteous Christian members for this reason.  Our perspective is that medicinal cures on Sabbath unless it is a life saving emergency is forbidden at least back then because picking from the plant and grinding the medicinal herbs is considered working and working on the Sabbath is permitted. 

Right, got it.

Talmud is very involved. There are even rules about if two people each leading laden donkies down a narrow mountain path meeting exactly halfway up, which one has to back up.

Ask a question like "Can I heat up soup on Shabbat if an elderly person gets pneumonia and will die without hot soup?" and it will set learned Torah schollars arguing for hours.

I've heard the line that if you ask 2 Jews for an opinion about religion you'll get 3 answers.  Obviously tongue in cheek but funny.

It's true.

There's another one about 4 Jews marooned on a desert island. When rescued six months later they'd formed 7 political parties.