What economic model would be best for Israel?

[sat_chit_anand]

Any ideas?

[TheCoon]

Free market capitalism with government checks to keep companies from dealing with Jew-hating countries. Yes, I understand the contradiction in capitalism and gov't checks but still.

[sat_chit_anand]

Free market capitalism with government checks to keep companies from dealing with Jew-hating countries. Yes, I understand the contradiction in capitalism and gov't checks but still.

Euro-nationalist parties are pursuing a number of models, but what JTF is suggesting is similar to the FPOe, the Austrian Freedom Party.

They propose a free market within Austria, restrictions in imports from countries which employ prison labour, slave labour and child labour (bye bye Jew-hating / inhuman countries), and government regulation of the stock exchange. The FPO would privatise Austria's nationalised industries, Austria Tobacco, The Austrian Postal Service and also the rail network, I think.

The BNP (Britain) has a slightly different set of policies. Services would be renationalised, co-operativisation would be encouraged there would be some form of free investment. Companies over a certain size would be nationalised.

Co-operativisation of the third sector can be very effective.

What is the current situation in Israel? I heard that you can barely even set up a company without government approval...?

[TheCoon]

That's another reason I cannot support the BNP. Nationalizing businesses is a socialist policy. Government is simply not efficient in running business and it kills competition. This is the direction countries like Venezuela are going and it is not right. We see in America that nationalized healthcare and social security take up a ton of the budget.

I can't answer what goes on in Israel. Maybe an Israeli poster can?

[sat_chit_anand]

That's another reason I cannot support the BNP. Nationalizing businesses is a socialist policy. Government is simply not efficient in running business and it kills competition. This is the direction countries like Venezuela are going and it is not right. We see in America that nationalized healthcare and social security take up a ton of the budget.

I can't answer what goes on in Israel. Maybe an Israeli poster can?

Yes mate, but how else do you bring the nation's resources under national control, in the British context?

[kahaneloyalist]

require the companies controlling the resources be owned by british citizens living in britian

[sat_chit_anand]

require the companies controlling the resources be owned by british citizens living in britian

Yes, but Britain's economy is based upon financial services. That and our Special Armed Forces who act like mercenaries, competing against the French clandestines and protecting those interests.

The rest of our economy is free to be owned by anyone who can buy it, and since there is no facility for national investment as we are still, as ever, a free trade type of economy, foreign investors can buy what they want.

The revolution in Britain needs to happen from the bottom upwards, and that begins with Credit Unions, Local Exchange Trading Schemes (currency free), co-operative home schooling and the creation of worker's co-operatives.

This is the least dangerous method for nationalisation, which would also prevent the formation of a Fascist-style dictatorship, and this can be effected through local politics.

Co-operative economics can be employed against both the international capitalists and the communists. Collectivisation and communes on the other hand, inevitably lead towards state domination and subsequent sell-out. Well, that is my theory anyway.

[MarZutra]

The best economic model for Israel is to take the Communist Manifesto out of the library, actually read it and write town all the specificities or "planks" of International Socialism: Communism.  Those that are already at work in Israel...simply reverse to have a controlled Free Enterprize Capitalist economy that bolsters small business, low taxes, competition and charity...

[newman]

Some essential government intervention and regulation within market capitalism is desirable. Remember, markets are amoral. We live in a society, not a market.

Adam Smith himself advocated "moral capitalism", not just capitalism.

[MarZutra]

I believe Adam Smith provided one of the best-known intellectual rationales for real free trade, capitalism, and libertarianism.....not this socialistic rubbish...

[newman]

I believe Adam Smith provided one of the best-known intellectual rationales for real free trade, capitalism, and libertarianism.....not this socialistic rubbish...

Correct. But he advocated "moral capitalism" not amoral capitalism as practiced today.

Markets don't care for the elderly or sick. Markets don't build dams or roads that will be needed in 15 years from now. Markets are happy to produce eye candy lingerie for 8 year olds (as happens today). There does need to be regulation.

I still believe in a minimum wage. We have one in Australia and our economy is regarded as the strongest (not biggest but healthiest) economy in the world.

[MarZutra]

I agree somewhat.  I disagree with minimum wage period.  If one doesnt' wish to work.....don't.  It is a supply/demand issue.  If there are no employees at a given wage than the wage must go up...  if it is too high the wage will go down as supply increases...no?  Min wage is purely a socialistic ideal

[newman]

I agree somewhat.  I disagree with minimum wage period.  If one doesnt' wish to work.....don't.  It is a supply/demand issue.  If there are no employees at a given wage than the wage must go up...  if it is too high the wage will go down as supply increases...no?  Min wage is purely a socialistic ideal

Yes, but those people in big business opposed to the minimum wage also advocate open borders to keep downward pressure on wages. Local workers don't get the advantages of supply/demand......only the disadvantages.

If you can guarantee fair immigration and proper border control a lack of minimum wage may work. But you can't, so it doesn't.

[MarZutra]

I agree somewhat.  I disagree with minimum wage period.  If one doesnt' wish to work.....don't.  It is a supply/demand issue.  If there are no employees at a given wage than the wage must go up...  if it is too high the wage will go down as supply increases...no?  Min wage is purely a socialistic ideal

Yes, but those people in big business opposed to the minimum wage also advocate open borders to keep downward pressure on wages. Local workers don't get the advantages of supply/demand......only the disadvantages.

If you can guarantee fair immigration and proper border control a lack of minimum wage may work. But you can't, so it doesn't.

Of course you are right.  Given that "free trade" is amongst truly comparable countries...this would be a non issue.  Throw the inequities of supposed "Free Trade" or economic piracy into the mix countries like China are predictably able to capitalize off the defficiencies in both labor and transerferable technology.....especially if one has an Clinton in power...

[newman]

I agree somewhat.  I disagree with minimum wage period.  If one doesnt' wish to work.....don't.  It is a supply/demand issue.  If there are no employees at a given wage than the wage must go up...  if it is too high the wage will go down as supply increases...no?  Min wage is purely a socialistic ideal

Yes, but those people in big business opposed to the minimum wage also advocate open borders to keep downward pressure on wages. Local workers don't get the advantages of supply/demand......only the disadvantages.

If you can guarantee fair immigration and proper border control a lack of minimum wage may work. But you can't, so it doesn't.

Of course you are right.  Given that "free trade" is amongst truly comparable countries...this would be a non issue.  Throw the inequities of supposed "Free Trade" or economic piracy into the mix countries like China are predictably able to capitalize off the defficiencies in both labor and transerferable technology.....especially if one has an Clinton in power...

The last conservative government we just booted out introduced a 'temporary guest worker' visa system out here. It's being abused left and right. Companies are refusing to employ locals and we see under paid workers crammed into 'company accomodation' that they pay half their wage for. It's a joke. They've also more than doubled the immigration intake. We get all the negatives of supply/demand but they manipulate things so we hardly get the upside of it.

Without an award/minimum wage system, we'd be screwed.

[MarZutra]

Oh G-d...it's finnished....    Terrible...  We are lead not by a democracy but a hidden oligarchy in my opinion..

[newman]

Oh G-d...it's finnished....    Terrible...  We are lead not by a democracy but a hidden oligarchy in my opinion..

The only true conservatives (by our standards) were the founding fathers and pre-war republicans. Modern day 'conservative' parties are NOT practiving conservatism but corporate facsism.

True conservatism is nationalistic, not globalist. An American conservative SHOULD be concerned with America and Americans FIRST.

[MarZutra]

I agree with you 100%.  Thanks to the immense amount of socialistic/leftist propaganda, specifically since the 2nd World War......but long before.....most citizens have no idea of what Conservatism is and have even lesser of an understanding of what America...and too Canada was founded upon.  It most certainly wasn't "multi-culturalism", "Neo-Conservatism", "Gay marriage"......  etc. etc. 

[newman]

I agree with you 100%.  Thanks to the immense amount of socialistic/leftist propaganda, specifically since the 2nd World War......but long before.....most citizens have no idea of what Conservatism is and have even lesser of an understanding of what America...and too Canada was founded upon.  It most certainly wasn't "multi-culturalism", "Neo-Conservatism", "Gay marriage"......  etc. etc. 

Or globalisation where we're told we must compete with 25cents/ hour China.

[MarZutra]

That is true....very true.  My synagogue actually had a fund raiser and for sale is much "Jewish" stuff...most of which is made in China.  In my opinion, each country should have trade tarriffs to confront this "free trade" piracy and make all this trading on a equitable system with laws advocating "Made In...." instead of the continual "Made in (any turd world/communist country)"... 

It is all a sham.  Not one of the Western nations leaders would even place some of our dollars to fund an honest study which compares the "before" and "after" so called "free trade".  This is a similar case to the Apartheid system of South Africa, a true look at "multi-culturalism" etc. 

The fact that every nation on Earth could learn more from America's base/foundation considering it grew more in the 10-15 years in the late 1800's and early 1900's than all of Europe during their Industrial Revolution.