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Reform Jewish movement anti-gun?
White Israelite:
--- Quote from: Skippy on January 05, 2008, 09:43:56 PM ---
--- Quote from: Cohen on January 05, 2008, 08:33:40 PM ---
Have you ever read the Nazi Gun Control laws of 1938? Are you implying that had Jews been armed that more wouldn't have survived?
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/860211/posts
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I have read it, and I know that it would of made little difference. Did you know England and the USA sat back and watched the death camps in action and could do nothing.
Two mighty countries full of soldiers, guns, weapons of all kinds. Could do nothing.
You think the Jews there did not know what it was, what they were facing. I tell you this they knew, and they walked proud, and faced it.
Gun or no gun, when you walk into the belly of hell, only G-ds will, will save you.
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God helps those who help themselves.
United States didn't get involved because it was isolationist, the UK and America didn't go into World War II to help the Jews nor did the Soviets. It was in their best interests as Germany was becoming expansionist.
The few Jews who were armed held off for almost a month because they were armed despite the superior numbers of the German military. You can't rely on government to protect you or have control of the firearms, because we all know where that led to with Nazi Germany. There were few Jews who were armed but if they were able to contain Nazis at bay for a month, can you imagine just 1 million Jews? Some people say this would have made the situation worse or that the superior might of the 3rd reich would have crushed them. I disagree, I don't mean to compare the situation but look at Russia and Chechnya, the Chechnyas (yes they are muslims) have been giving the Russians hell since their existance and yet the Russians can't defeat them despite the fact they have destroyed entire cities in Chechnya, what the Chechnyans have done is pretty cowardly (Beslan school massacre) but the fact that a country like Russia can't defeat a minority of people armed only with a few guns pretty much shows that people armed can resist against a larger government.
MassuhDGoodName:
It's just another left-leaning pinko front group masquerading as Jews.
Nothing wrong with 'em that a good bull-whippin' wouldn't fix.
Kiwi:
--- Quote from: Cohen on January 05, 2008, 10:05:35 PM ---
G-d helps those who help themselves.
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Wrong, but good PR by America PC crowd I guess. The Allies didn't do anything because of a few reasons,
One they thought the Germans would not make the Death camps large scale,
Two Auschwitz-Birkenau was seen as a large scale problem the railway that entered the camp, was the only mass transport in or out and the Allies choose not to target it, because they wanted to use it.
Three Sobibor and Treblinka were fully operating, and seen by the Allies as small production, and numbers of people kill could not be that great. Afterall only Jews were being killed at that stage.
Four America and their self centred attitude was brought into the war due to the Japs attacking Peril Harbour, and once Americans where Jap's POWs and that changed their minds. And suddenly their cute little ways Hitler now could target them.
Five after they realised the real agenda to Hitlers camps, they knew even their combined skills and limited weapons were useless.
Six the Brits and the yanks felt if the bombed the camps more people would die. Ironic isn't it.
Auschwitz-Birkenau became a symbol of Nazism, you know why the families did not want it destroyed.
Its not just a symbol of the collective 6 million Jews that died, it is a symbol to the world powers that sat back and watched, that we shall never forget the most dangerous actions and most hurtful lies are said in silence.
White Israelite:
--- Quote from: Skippy on January 05, 2008, 11:02:48 PM ---
--- Quote from: Cohen on January 05, 2008, 10:05:35 PM ---
G-d helps those who help themselves.
--- End quote ---
Wrong, but good PR by America PC crowd I guess. The Allies didn't do anything because of a few reasons,
One they thought the Germans would not make the Death camps large scale,
Two Auschwitz-Birkenau was seen as a large scale problem the railway that entered the camp, was the only mass transport in or out and the Allies choose not to target it, because they wanted to use it.
Three Sobibor and Treblinka were fully operating, and seen by the Allies as small production, and numbers of people kill could not be that great. Afterall only Jews were being killed at that stage.
Four America and their self centred attitude was brought into the war due to the Japs attacking Peril Harbour, and once Americans where Jap's POWs and that changed their minds. And suddenly their cute little ways Hitler now could target them.
Five after they realised the real agenda to Hitlers camps, they knew even their combined skills and limited weapons were useless.
Six the Brits and the yanks felt if the bombed the camps more people would die. Ironic isn't it.
Auschwitz-Birkenau became a symbol of Nazism, you know why the families did not want it destroyed.
Its not just a symbol of the collective 6 million Jews that died, it is a symbol to the world powers that sat back and watched, that we shall never forget the most dangerous actions and most hurtful lies are said in silence.
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The world also sits silent while people are being disarmed by their governments in the name of a "safer society". The purpose why the allies didn't get involved or help the Jews can be disputed, but the fact remains that Jews were systematically disarmed by the German government and by relying on government to pull us out of trouble or keep us safe is suicidal. This is clearly what we mean by "holocaust mentality"
The fact of the matter is we can sit here and get depressed how so many of our people were killed and yell until we're blue in the face but it doesn't change the past. We have a quote "Never Again", education isn't enough to stop another holocaust from happening, i've choose to arm myself and will promote my children and fellow Jews to arm themselves to stick true to that quote.
Kiwi:
Tell me how many people of different races have experienced genocide? How many of those races where armed as apart of there lifestyles? How many deaths did that prevent?
What difference did it make?
Arming yourself I am not against, I support it. But Arming yourself for the wrong reason and mentality is wrong.
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