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Dutch "educators" use "Islamophobia" to teach Muslim students about Holocaust

http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/

Yes, aside from those six million dead on one side, and a number of terror attacks and supremacist declarations on the other, they're just alike, aren't they?

"For Dutch educators, Islamophobia can be a teaching aid for Holocaust studies," by Cnaan Liphshiz and Ruthie Pliskin for Haaretz (thanks to JS):

The Yad Vashem Holocaust Martyrs' and Heroes' Remembrance Authority this week hosts a week-long seminar for 21 teachers, the first run by the museum for Dutch educators, with one day devoted to discussions about teaching Holland's Muslim minority about the Shoah.
When teaching Holocaust studies to Dutch Muslim teenagers in Amsterdam, Mustafa Daher says he first has to defuse his pupils' own hostility toward Jews and Israel.

"If I don't capture their interest, then I have done nothing. So I use the rising Islamophobia to help them connect to the persecution of the Jews," the seasoned educator says.

"For example, I tell them that when the Nazis suspected someone was Jewish, they would pull down his pants to see if he was circumcised. Then I remind my Muslim students they are also 'snipped.' So they, too, would've ended up in a concentration camp," says Daher.

Judith Whitlau, who teaches groups about the Holocaust at the Dutch Theater in Amsterdam, says she has to contend with another analogy.

"Some point to media reports from the occupied territories, and they want to know what exactly Israel itself is doing to internalize the Holocaust's lessons as it preaches others should do."

But not all the teachers in the group have Muslim students. Franca Verheijen teaches at an affluent school in Leiden, some 35 minutes by train from Amsterdam. There, drawing parallels between Islamophobia and anti-Semitism can be counterproductive.

"If I make this connection, some students usually reject the analogy, saying that unlike the Muslims, the Jews never engaged in terrorism," she says.

Uh, yeah.
Turkey must get out of NATO. NATO must get out of Kosovo-Serbia. Croats must get out of Crajina. All muslims must get out of Christian and Jewish land. Turks must get out of Cyprus. Turks must get out of "Istanbul". "Palestinians" must get out of Israel. Israel must become independent from USA.

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I don't think there's any real hope of getting Muslims to sympathize with Jewish victims of the Holocaust, but hopefully they will grow up to not be as hateful as their parents are toward Jews.

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At least the Dutch youth still have enough brains to make the differentiation. 
"The Jews will eventually have to face up to what you're dealing with here.  The arabs will never love you for what good you've brought them.  They don't know how to really love.  But hate!  Oh, G-d, can they hate!  And they have a deep, deep, deep resentment because you have jolted them from their delusions of grandeur and shown them for what they are-a decadent, savage people controlled by a religion that has stripped them of all human ambition . . . except for the few cruel enough and arrogant enough to command them as one commands a mob of sheep.  You are dealing with a mad society and you'd better learn how to control it."

-Excerpt from The Haj by Leon Uris

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I don't think there's any real hope of getting Muslims to sympathize with Jewish victims of the Holocaust, but hopefully they will grow up to not be as hateful as their parents are toward Jews.

on the contrary.
Their parents were like angels in comparison with their "children"
Turkey must get out of NATO. NATO must get out of Kosovo-Serbia. Croats must get out of Crajina. All muslims must get out of Christian and Jewish land. Turks must get out of Cyprus. Turks must get out of "Istanbul". "Palestinians" must get out of Israel. Israel must become independent from USA.

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I don't think there's any real hope of getting Muslims to sympathize with Jewish victims of the Holocaust, but hopefully they will grow up to not be as hateful as their parents are toward Jews.

on the contrary.
Their parents were like angels in comparison with their "children"

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I don't think there's any real hope of getting Muslims to sympathize with Jewish victims of the Holocaust, but hopefully they will grow up to not be as hateful as their parents are toward Jews.

on the contrary.
Their parents were like angels in comparison with their "children"

correct

Have you had the honour of meeting these little monsters?
I on a regularly basis!

I want to make life so miserable for them that they beg to return to their countries.
Turkey must get out of NATO. NATO must get out of Kosovo-Serbia. Croats must get out of Crajina. All muslims must get out of Christian and Jewish land. Turks must get out of Cyprus. Turks must get out of "Istanbul". "Palestinians" must get out of Israel. Israel must become independent from USA.

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Very sad.

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I don't think there's any real hope of getting Muslims to sympathize with Jewish victims of the Holocaust, but hopefully they will grow up to not be as hateful as their parents are toward Jews.

on the contrary.
Their parents were like angels in comparison with their "children"

correct

Have you had the honour of meeting these little monsters?
I on a regularly basis!

I want to make life so miserable for them that they beg to return to their countries.

great idea  O0, I can't imagine what you have to go through on a daily basis Ambiorix :-\ :'( >:(

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I don't think there's any real hope of getting Muslims to sympathize with Jewish victims of the Holocaust, but hopefully they will grow up to not be as hateful as their parents are toward Jews.

on the contrary.
Their parents were like angels in comparison with their "children"

correct

Have you had the honour of meeting these little monsters?
I on a regularly basis!

I want to make life so miserable for them that they beg to return to their countries.

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Dutch "educators" use "Islamophobia" to teach Muslim students about Holocaust

http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/

"For example, I tell them that when the Nazis suspected someone was Jewish, they would pull down his pants to see if he was circumcised. Then I remind my Muslim students they are also 'snipped.' So they, too, would've ended up in a concentration camp," says Daher.



Not true as Hitler welcomed muSSies into the "reich". In 1943 Amin Al Husseini, muSSie imam and boss type fella, met with Heinrich Himmler, to organise the muSSie batallions that fought with the nazis. In fact old Amin was a guest of Hitler at the Bergesgarten.

Here's a copy of the minutes of a meeting between Amin and Hitler. It's a long document but it does show that old Hitler didn't just "put up" with the muSSies he actively supported and admired them.

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Minutes of the meeting with Hitler and Husseini.

Source: Documents on German Foreign Policy 1918-1945, Series D, Vol XIII, London, 1964, pp.881 ff.



German Chancellor Adolf Hitler and Grand Mufti Haj Amin al-Husseini:
Zionism and the Arab Cause (November 28, 1941)


Haj Amin al-Husseini, the most influential leader of Palestinian Arabs, lived in Germany during the Second World War. He met Hitler, Ribbentrop and other Nazi leaders on various occasions and attempted to coordinate Nazi and Arab policies in the Middle East.

Record of the Conversation between the Fuhrer and the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem on November 28, 1941, in the Presence of Reich Foreign Minister and Minister Grobba in Berlin.

The Grand Mufti began by thanking the Fuhrer for the great honor he had bestowed by receiving him. He wished to seize the opportunity to convey to the Fuhrer of the Greater German Reich, admired by the entire Arab world, his thanks of the sympathy which he had always shown for the Arab and especially the Palestinian cause, and to which he had given clear expression in his public speeches. The Arab countries were firmly convinced that Germany would win the war and that the Arab cause would then prosper. The Arabs were Germany's natural friends because they had the same enemies as had Germany, namely the English, the Jews, and the Communists. Therefore they were prepared to cooperate with Germany with all their hearts and stood ready to participate in the war, not only negatively by the commission of acts of sabotage and the instigation of revolutions, but also positively by the formation of an Arab Legion. The Arabs could be more useful to Germany as allies than might be apparent at first glance, both for geographical reasons and because of the suffering inflicted upon them by the English and the Jews. Furthermore, they had had close relations with all Moslem nations, of which they could make use in behalf of the common cause. The Arab Legion would be quite easy to raise. An appeal by the Mufti to the Arab countries and the prisoners of Arab, Algerian, Tunisian, and Moroccan nationality in Germany would produce a great number of volunteers eager to fight. Of Germany's victory the Arab world was firmly convinced, not only because the Reich possessed a large army, brave soldiers, and military leaders of genius, but also because the Almighty could never award the victory to an unjust cause.

In this struggle, the Arabs were striving for the independence and unity of Palestine, Syria, and Iraq. They had the fullest confidence in the Fuhrer and looked to his hand for the balm on their wounds, which had been inflicted upon them by the enemies of Germany.

The Mufti then mentioned the letter he had received from Germany, which stated that Germany was holding no Arab territories and understood and recognized the aspirations to independence and freedom of the Arabs, just as she supported the elimination of the Jewish national home.

A public declaration in this sense would be very useful for its propagandistic effect on the Arab peoples at this moment. It would rouse the Arabs from their momentary lethargy and give them new courage. It would also ease the Mufti's work of secretly organizing the Arabs against the moment when they could strike. At the same time, he could give the assurance that the Arabs would in strict discipline patiently wait for the right moment and only strike upon an order form Berlin.

With regard to the events in Iraq, the Mufti observed that the Arabs in that country certainly had by no means been incited by Germany to attack England, but solely had acted in reaction to a direct English assault upon their honor.

The Turks, he believed, would welcome the establishment of an Arab government in the neighboring territories because they would prefer weaker Arab to strong European governments in the neighboring countries and, being themselves a nations of 7 million, they had moreover nothing to fear from the 1,700,000 Arabs inhabiting Syria, Transjordan, Iraq, and Palestine.

France likewise would have no objections to the unification plan because she had conceded independence to Syria as early as 1936 and had given her approval to the unification of Iraq and Syria under King Faisal as early as 1933.

In these circumstances he was renewing his request that the Fuhrer make a public declaration so that the Arabs would not lose hope, which is so powerful a force in the life of nations. With such hope in their hearts the Arabs, as he had said, were willing to wait. They were not pressing for immediate realization for their aspirations; they could easily wait half a year or a whole year. But if they were not inspired with such a hope by a declaration of this sort, it could be expected that the English would be the gainers from it.

The Fuhrer replied that Germany's fundamental attitude on these questions, as the Mufti himself had already stated, was clear. Germany stood for uncompromising war against the Jews. That naturally included active opposition to the Jewish national home in Palestine, which was nothing other than a center, in the form of a state, for the exercise of destructive influence by Jewish interests. Germany was also aware that the assertion that the Jews were carrying out the functions of economic pioneers in Palestine was a lie. The work there was done only by the Arabs, not by the Jews. Germany was resolved, step by step, to ask one European nation after the other to solve its Jewish problem, and at the proper time to direct a similar appeal to non-European nations as well.

Germany was at the present time engaged in a life and death struggle with two citadels of Jewish power: Great Britain and Soviet Russia. Theoretically there was a difference between England's capitalism and Soviet Russia's communism; actually, however, the Jews in both countries were pursuing a common goal. This was the decisive struggle; on the political plane, it presented itself in the main as a conflict between Germany and England, but ideologically it was a battle between National Socialism and the Jews. It went without saying that Germany would furnish positive and practical aid to the Arabs involved in the same struggle, because platonic promises were useless in a war for survival or destruction in which the Jews were able to mobilize all of England's power for their ends.

The aid to the Arabs would have to be material aid. Of how little help sympathies alone were in such a battle had been demonstrated plainly by the operation in Iraq, where circumstances had not permitted the rendering of really effective, practical aid. In spite of all the sympathies, German aid had not been sufficient and Iraq was overcome by the power of Britain, that is, the guardian of the Jews.

The Mufti could not but be aware, however, that the outcome of the struggle going on at present would also decide the fate of the Arab world. The Fuhrer therefore had to think and speak coolly and deliberately, as a rational man and primarily as a soldier, as the leader of the German and allied armies. Everything of a nature to help in this titanic battle for the common cause, and thus also for the Arabs, would have to be done. Anything however, that might contribute to weakening the military situation must be put aside, no matter how unpopular this move might be.

Germany was now engaged in very severe battles to force the gateway to the northern Caucasus region. The difficulties were mainly with regard to maintaining the supply, which was most difficult as a result of the destruction of railroads and highways as well as the oncoming winter. If at such a moment, the Fuhrer were to raise the problem of Syria in a declaration, those elements in France which were under de Gaulle's influence would receive new strength. They would interpret the Fuhrer's declaration as an intention to break up France's colonial empire and appeal to their fellow countrymen that they should rather make common cause with the English to try to save what still could be saved. A German declaration regarding Syria would in France be understood to refer to the French colonies in general, and that would at the present time create new troubles in western Europe, which means that a portion of the German armed forces would be immobilized in the west and no longer be available for the campaign in the east.

The Fuhrer then made the following statement to the Mufti, enjoining him to lock it in the uttermost depths of his heart:

1. He (the Fuhrer) would carry on the battle to the total destruction of the Judeo-Communist empire in Europe.
2. At some moment which was impossible to set exactly today but which in any event was not distant, the German armies would in the course of this struggle reach the southern exit from Caucasia.
3. As soon as this had happened, the Fuhrer would on his own give the Arab world the assurance that its hour of liberation had arrived. Germany's objective would then be solely the destruction of the Jewish element residing in the Arab sphere under the protection of British power. In that hour the Mufti would be the most authoritative spokesman for the Arab world. It would then be his task to set off the Arab operations, which he had secretly prepared. When that time had come, Germany could also be indifferent to French reaction to such a declaration.

Once Germany had forced open the road to Iran and Iraq through Rostov; it would be also the beginning of the end of the British World Empire. He (the Fuhrer) hoped that the coming year would make it possible for Germany to thrust open the Caucasian gate to the Middle East. For the good of their common cause, it would be better if the Arab proclamation were put off for a few more months than if Germany were to create difficulties for herself without being able thereby to help the Arabs.

He (the Fuhrer) fully appreciated the eagerness of the Arabs for a public declaration of the sort requested by the Grand Mufti. But he would beg him to consider that he (the Fuhrer) himself was the Chief of State of the German Reich for five long years during which he was unable to make to his own homeland the announcement of its liberation. He had to wait with that until the announcement could be made on the basis of a situation brought about by the force of arms that the Anschluss had been carried out.

The moment that Germany's tank divisions and air squadrons had made their appearance south of the Caucasus, the public appeal requested by the Grand Mufti could go out to the Arab world.

The Grand Mufti replied that it was his view that everything would come to pass just as the Fuhrer had indicated. He was fully reassured and satisfied by the words which he had heard form the Chief of the German State. He asked, however, whether it would not be possible, secretly at least, to enter into an agreement with Germany of the kind he had just outlined for the Fuhrer.

The Fuhrer replied that he had just now given the Grand Mufti precisely that confidential declaration.

The Grand Mufti thanked him for it and stated in conclusion that he was taking his leave from the Fuhrer in full confidence and with reiterated thanks for the interest shown in the Arab cause.

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The thought of what life would have been like had Germany won the war is quite horrific but do we really know how horrific? Life after Germany having won the war would not be horrific, it just would not exist!
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I don't think there's any real hope of getting Muslims to sympathize with Jewish victims of the Holocaust, but hopefully they will grow up to not be as hateful as their parents are toward Jews.

on the contrary.
Their parents were like angels in comparison with their "children"

correct

Have you had the honour of meeting these little monsters?
I on a regularly basis!

I want to make life so miserable for them that they beg to return to their countries.

ARE U A TECAHER OR SUMTING

I meet muslim-apes on a daily basis on the street, on the bus, in the train, in the stations.

Turkey must get out of NATO. NATO must get out of Kosovo-Serbia. Croats must get out of Crajina. All muslims must get out of Christian and Jewish land. Turks must get out of Cyprus. Turks must get out of "Istanbul". "Palestinians" must get out of Israel. Israel must become independent from USA.

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I don't think there's any real hope of getting Muslims to sympathize with Jewish victims of the Holocaust, but hopefully they will grow up to not be as hateful as their parents are toward Jews.

on the contrary.
Their parents were like angels in comparison with their "children"

correct

Have you had the honour of meeting these little monsters?
I on a regularly basis!

I want to make life so miserable for them that they beg to return to their countries.

ARE U A TECAHER OR SUMTING

I meet muslim-apes on a daily basis on the street, on the bus, in the train, in the stations.



When I was in the Netherlands, Belgium, France and Germany they were everywhere! >:( These people can never be European! >:(

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I don't think there's any real hope of getting Muslims to sympathize with Jewish victims of the Holocaust, but hopefully they will grow up to not be as hateful as their parents are toward Jews.

on the contrary.
Their parents were like angels in comparison with their "children"

correct

Have you had the honour of meeting these little monsters?
I on a regularly basis!

I want to make life so miserable for them that they beg to return to their countries.

ARE U A TECAHER OR SUMTING

I meet muslim-apes on a daily basis on the street, on the bus, in the train, in the stations.



When I was in the Netherlands, Belgium, France and Germany they were everywhere! >:( These people can never be European! >:(

There are two problems. difference in
1) religion.
2) race.

1) can be solved through destroying Islam, converting, expulsion, war.
2) idem. We don't want to mix with Arabians , and certainly not with North-Africans, and God forbid, never with blacks.
Turkey must get out of NATO. NATO must get out of Kosovo-Serbia. Croats must get out of Crajina. All muslims must get out of Christian and Jewish land. Turks must get out of Cyprus. Turks must get out of "Istanbul". "Palestinians" must get out of Israel. Israel must become independent from USA.

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I don't think there's any real hope of getting Muslims to sympathize with Jewish victims of the Holocaust, but hopefully they will grow up to not be as hateful as their parents are toward Jews.

on the contrary.
Their parents were like angels in comparison with their "children"

correct

Have you had the honour of meeting these little monsters?
I on a regularly basis!

I want to make life so miserable for them that they beg to return to their countries.

ARE U A TECAHER OR SUMTING

I meet muslim-apes on a daily basis on the street, on the bus, in the train, in the stations.



When I was in the Netherlands, Belgium, France and Germany they were everywhere! >:( These people can never be European! >:(

There are two problems. difference in
1) religion.
2) race.

1) can be solved through destroying Islam, converting, expulsion, war.
2) idem. We don't want to mix with Arabians , and certainly not with North-Africans, and G-d forbid, never with blacks.

2.) you would have a group called "Belgabian" or "Belafrican" and probably almost European but still foreign to Europe. :o ;)

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The thought of what life would have been like had Germany won the war is quite horrific but do we really know how horrific? Life after Germany having won the war would not be horrific, it just would not exist!

Well i think the Russians have endured that kind of regime during 70 years.
Turkey must get out of NATO. NATO must get out of Kosovo-Serbia. Croats must get out of Crajina. All muslims must get out of Christian and Jewish land. Turks must get out of Cyprus. Turks must get out of "Istanbul". "Palestinians" must get out of Israel. Israel must become independent from USA.

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The thought of what life would have been like had Germany won the war is quite horrific but do we really know how horrific? Life after Germany having won the war would not be horrific, it just would not exist!

Well i think the Russians have endured that kind of regime during 70 years.

yes they have

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The thought of what life would have been like had Germany won the war is quite horrific but do we really know how horrific? Life after Germany having won the war would not be horrific, it just would not exist!

Well i think the Russians have endured that kind of regime during 70 years.

Nazis were lot worse, Comies cripled us, German nazis want anybody short of their "aryan" "nordic" ideal dead... So if you happened to be Jewish, Polish, Russian, Serb or Gipsy.... Of course for the people thrown in camps it was a small diffrence which flag was hoisted on electric fence. Many Aushwitz survivors had "plesure" of "taking the reacration"  in the GULAG.   
Jeremiah 8:11-17

11 They dress the wound of my people as though it were not serious. Peace, peace, they say, when there is no peace.

12 Are they ashamed of their loathsome conduct? No, they have no shame at all; they do not even know how to blush. So they will fall among the fallen; they will be brought down when they are punished, says the LORD.

13 'I will take away their harvest, declares the LORD. There will be no grapes on the vine. There will be no figs on the tree, and their leaves will wither. What I have given them will be taken from them.'

14 Why are we sitting here? Gather together! Let us flee to the fortified cities and perish there! For the LORD our God has doomed us to perish and given us poisoned water to drink, because we have sinned against him.

15 We hoped for peace but no good has come, for a time of healing but there was only terror.

16 The snorting of the enemy's horses is heard from Dan; at the neighing of their stallions the whole land trembles. They have come to devour the land and everything in it, the city and all who live there.

17 See, I will send venomous snakes among you, vipers that cannot be charmed, and they will bite you, declares the LORD.

Love your Enemy
And Heap Burning Coals on his Head!!!
http://net-burst.net/revenge/love_and_wrath_of_God.htm

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The thought of what life would have been like had Germany won the war is quite horrific but do we really know how horrific? Life after Germany having won the war would not be horrific, it just would not exist!

Well i think the Russians have endured that kind of regime during 70 years.

Nazis were lot worse, Comies cripled us, German nazis want anybody short of their "aryan" "nordic" ideal dead... So if you happened to be Jewish, Polish, Russian, Serb or Gipsy.... Of course for the people thrown in camps it was a small diffrence which flag was hoisted on electric fence. Many Aushwitz survivors had "plesure" of "taking the reacration"  in the GULAG.   


Socialism killed 100 million people, and still is spreading in South America ....
Turkey must get out of NATO. NATO must get out of Kosovo-Serbia. Croats must get out of Crajina. All muslims must get out of Christian and Jewish land. Turks must get out of Cyprus. Turks must get out of "Istanbul". "Palestinians" must get out of Israel. Israel must become independent from USA.

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Yes, just look at Cuba as a good example  :o

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I won't defend comunism over nazism or vice vers they're the same faces of one socialist coin, but Nazism thanks G-d and Alies war effort was only 13 year in power and managed to get 1/3 of comumis't body count they got for 80 years, plus we all here maybe woud be dead meat if the Nazis G-d forbid woud win.   
Jeremiah 8:11-17

11 They dress the wound of my people as though it were not serious. Peace, peace, they say, when there is no peace.

12 Are they ashamed of their loathsome conduct? No, they have no shame at all; they do not even know how to blush. So they will fall among the fallen; they will be brought down when they are punished, says the LORD.

13 'I will take away their harvest, declares the LORD. There will be no grapes on the vine. There will be no figs on the tree, and their leaves will wither. What I have given them will be taken from them.'

14 Why are we sitting here? Gather together! Let us flee to the fortified cities and perish there! For the LORD our God has doomed us to perish and given us poisoned water to drink, because we have sinned against him.

15 We hoped for peace but no good has come, for a time of healing but there was only terror.

16 The snorting of the enemy's horses is heard from Dan; at the neighing of their stallions the whole land trembles. They have come to devour the land and everything in it, the city and all who live there.

17 See, I will send venomous snakes among you, vipers that cannot be charmed, and they will bite you, declares the LORD.

Love your Enemy
And Heap Burning Coals on his Head!!!
http://net-burst.net/revenge/love_and_wrath_of_God.htm

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I won't defend comunism over nazism or vice vers they're the same faces of one socialist coin, but Nazism thanks G-d and Alies war effort was only 13 year in power and managed to get 1/3 of comumis't body count they got for 80 years, plus we all here maybe woud be dead meat if the Nazis G-d forbid woud win.   

TRUE!
Turkey must get out of NATO. NATO must get out of Kosovo-Serbia. Croats must get out of Crajina. All muslims must get out of Christian and Jewish land. Turks must get out of Cyprus. Turks must get out of "Istanbul". "Palestinians" must get out of Israel. Israel must become independent from USA.

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I won't defend comunism over nazism or vice vers they're the same faces of one socialist coin, but Nazism thanks G-d and Alies war effort was only 13 year in power and managed to get 1/3 of comumis't body count they got for 80 years, plus we all here maybe woud be dead meat if the Nazis G-d forbid woud win.   

TRUE!

Stalin weeks before his death, was planning to deport all Jews to Siberia.
did you know?
Turkey must get out of NATO. NATO must get out of Kosovo-Serbia. Croats must get out of Crajina. All muslims must get out of Christian and Jewish land. Turks must get out of Cyprus. Turks must get out of "Istanbul". "Palestinians" must get out of Israel. Israel must become independent from USA.

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I won't defend comunism over nazism or vice vers they're the same faces of one socialist coin, but Nazism thanks G-d and Alies war effort was only 13 year in power and managed to get 1/3 of comumis't body count they got for 80 years, plus we all here maybe woud be dead meat if the Nazis G-d forbid woud win.   

TRUE!

Stalin weeks before his death, was planning to deport all Jews to Siberia.
did you know?

Yes I watched it somewhwere. He deported 2,5 milions of Poles from teritories he conquered after 17 IX 1939, 1,5 milions don't survived this "holidays" in Siberia and Kazachstan. Just like many other nationalities who were proclamied by Cremlin as anti soviet. Still there is one diffrence between brown and red camps in former there were gass chambers in later the prisoners were killed by hostile enviroment... Ambroix I woud never drag my self  into dicusion what was worse, it's both imoral and pointless. Lets say we Poles honour Russian soldiers who liberated us from nazi-german ocupation still we hate Soviet Russia... In Europe there's no inch of ground not sucked in blood and all nations hate their neighboers.  :(       
Jeremiah 8:11-17

11 They dress the wound of my people as though it were not serious. Peace, peace, they say, when there is no peace.

12 Are they ashamed of their loathsome conduct? No, they have no shame at all; they do not even know how to blush. So they will fall among the fallen; they will be brought down when they are punished, says the LORD.

13 'I will take away their harvest, declares the LORD. There will be no grapes on the vine. There will be no figs on the tree, and their leaves will wither. What I have given them will be taken from them.'

14 Why are we sitting here? Gather together! Let us flee to the fortified cities and perish there! For the LORD our God has doomed us to perish and given us poisoned water to drink, because we have sinned against him.

15 We hoped for peace but no good has come, for a time of healing but there was only terror.

16 The snorting of the enemy's horses is heard from Dan; at the neighing of their stallions the whole land trembles. They have come to devour the land and everything in it, the city and all who live there.

17 See, I will send venomous snakes among you, vipers that cannot be charmed, and they will bite you, declares the LORD.

Love your Enemy
And Heap Burning Coals on his Head!!!
http://net-burst.net/revenge/love_and_wrath_of_God.htm

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Ultra Requete, in Belgium denying the Holocaust is forbidden.
Revisionists are put in jail.
I wish the Communist that deny Lenin or Stalin's crimes are put in jail as well.
Turkey must get out of NATO. NATO must get out of Kosovo-Serbia. Croats must get out of Crajina. All muslims must get out of Christian and Jewish land. Turks must get out of Cyprus. Turks must get out of "Istanbul". "Palestinians" must get out of Israel. Israel must become independent from USA.