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ultra-Orthodox Jews against Isarel. What does Chaim say?
jdl4ever:
--- Quote from: Khazan on January 09, 2008, 07:49:46 PM ---What verse in the Talmud? I think the Naeturei Karta believe the messiah must come first before there is an Israel. Is that the thing in the TAlmud, or is that in the TAnack? They aren't the Lubavitch was the messiah bunch were they?
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That is not found in the Tanach, but only if you misinterpret one passage of the Talmud.
Tzvi Ben Roshel1:
Theirs the 3 oaths- which actually weren't and aren't Halacha (binding as law, for the majority of poskim) , but even if it was , it was breached by the nations. In brief
- ( Ketuvot 111a ) - Im quoting from Rabbi Kahane's book Ore Harayon chapter 26 (the whole chapter is on this).
" What are the 3 oaths? G-d made Israel swear not to go up to the Land en masse; [Rashi: "together, by force"] and not to rebel against the nations, and He made the nations swear that they would not subjugate Israel too much. "
jdl4ever:
I like that you added that it isn't Halachah to begin with even if the nations didn't breach their oath since it is merely one opinion quoted in the Talmud and the accepted law by the ancient commentaries didn't accept this opinion for obvious reasons (it is directly against the simple reading of the Torah).
judeanoncapta:
--- Quote from: Tzvi Ben Roshel on January 09, 2008, 08:18:14 PM ---Theirs the 3 oaths- which actually weren't and aren't Halacha (binding as law, for the majority of poskim) , but even if it was , it was breached by the nations. In brief
- ( Ketuvot 111a ) - Im quoting from Rabbi Kahane's book Ore Harayon chapter 26 (the whole chapter is on this).
" What are the 3 oaths? G-d made Israel swear not to go up to the Land en masse; [Rashi: "together, by force"] and not to rebel against the nations, and He made the nations swear that they would not subjugate Israel too much. "
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Nice to see you are longer flirting with Hareidi ideology, Tzvi.
judeanoncapta:
--- Quote from: jdl4ever on January 09, 2008, 08:23:05 PM ---I like that you added that it isn't Halachah to begin with even if the nations didn't breach their oath since it is merely one opinion quoted in the Talmud and the accepted law by the ancient commentaries don't accept this opinion for obvious reasons.
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Of course it is not Halakha.
How could a misswath Ase d'oraitha be thrown in to the Garbage on the basis of a Midrash?
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